Ran a 10k in June (8 Viewers)

[Dexter]

Garmin Forerunner 405 $139.99

Best Buy B&M stores only. Looks like they are clearing out the 405 inventory to make room for the 410s. Price still shows $229.99, but is ringing up for the price above. YMMV

 

[FUBAR]

Garmin Forerunner 405 $139.99

Best Buy B&M stores only. Looks like they are clearing out the 405 inventory to make room for the 410s. Price still shows $229.99, but is ringing up for the price above. YMMV

What's a B&M store?ETA: Brick & Mortar? So physical stores... I may have to make a trip this afternoon.

 

[Dexter]

Garmin Forerunner 405 $139.99

Best Buy B&M stores only. Looks like they are clearing out the 405 inventory to make room for the 410s. Price still shows $229.99, but is ringing up for the price above. YMMV

What's a B&M store?ETA: Brick & Mortar? So physical stores... I may have to make a trip this afternoon.

GL let us know if it works for you.

 

[bostonfred]

Hey Ned, I've been meaning to ask you, was Ned your original name, or were you an alias of another poster back when? I remember you popping up with that sig about your roster being so good that people had to PM you to see it, and I remember that you were funny, so I kind of assumed you were an alias, but it seems like you're just Ned now, so I wasn't sure.

 

[FUBAR]

Garmin Forerunner 405 $139.99

Best Buy B&M stores only. Looks like they are clearing out the 405 inventory to make room for the 410s. Price still shows $229.99, but is ringing up for the price above. YMMV

What's a B&M store?ETA: Brick & Mortar? So physical stores... I may have to make a trip this afternoon.

GL let us know if it works for you.

Didn't have any at our local store, but they could order one from a nearby one for me. Instead, I bought a 305 with HR monitor for $96 + tax. Also on clearance, as they are clearing out for the new 410. I'm told the 405 that is on sale doesn't include the HR monitor, which is the main reason I'd buy a new Garmin. (better reception would be a plus but not really worth $140). Does anyone think the 405 is worth the extra $40 - and does it include a HR monitor?

 

[Dexter]

Garmin Forerunner 405 $139.99

Best Buy B&M stores only. Looks like they are clearing out the 405 inventory to make room for the 410s. Price still shows $229.99, but is ringing up for the price above. YMMV

What's a B&M store?ETA: Brick & Mortar? So physical stores... I may have to make a trip this afternoon.

GL let us know if it works for you.

Didn't have any at our local store, but they could order one from a nearby one for me. Instead, I bought a 305 with HR monitor for $96 + tax. Also on clearance, as they are clearing out for the new 410. I'm told the 405 that is on sale doesn't include the HR monitor, which is the main reason I'd buy a new Garmin. (better reception would be a plus but not really worth $140). Does anyone think the 405 is worth the extra $40 - and does it include a HR monitor?

I used my HR monitor a couple of times. but not worth the extra cash if you ask me.

 

[gruecd]

Hey, guys. Just realized I haven't posted any workouts since Wednesday. I did a couple of 5-mile recovery runs on Thursday and Friday, and then yesterday I did 11 at 7:57 pace. Focused on a relaxed, comfortable pace and didn't even look at the Garmin until I was done.

Today was a SRD for running, so I decided to bike back and forth to my Grandma's house for Mother's Day. I rode into the wind (and mostly uphill) the whole way there, 21.2 miles at 15.9 MPH. It was much nicer with the wind at my back for the return trip, 20.15 miles at 19.4 MPH.

Week in review (44 miles run):

M: SRD

T: 8 miles w/5x800M

W: 15

T: 5 recovery

F: 5 recovery

S: 11

S: SRD (41 miles on bike)

Time now to go cut the lawn, then maybe a nap. Hope you're all having a great day!

 

[prosopis]

The seven miles this morning went well. Actually, it was fantastic, I averaged 10:45, just about the speed I had planned. I ran nice and easy, didn't get tired at any point and probably could have done the last mile in under 10 minutes had I chosen too.

After my run I went shopping and spent all day working in my yard. What a great day.

I hope everyone reading here had as good a day.

to all of it, Darrin!

Darrin is making great strides lately. I had a day of yard work myself today and had a surprise call by my taxidermist that the mount of the buck I got back in November was ready. We flew on down there and picked him up. Capped the day off with both me and the wife getting last minute runs in while juggling kids dinners. Crazy day but finished it off with a silky smooth four. Much bested than my runs this week.

For the couple of hunters here - here's a pic of my two mounts. New guy on left. Guy on right was very first buck with a bow.

Nice bucks

 

[2Young2BBald]

Garmin Forerunner 405 $139.99

Best Buy B&M stores only. Looks like they are clearing out the 405 inventory to make room for the 410s. Price still shows $229.99, but is ringing up for the price above. YMMV

What's a B&M store?ETA: Brick & Mortar? So physical stores... I may have to make a trip this afternoon.

GL let us know if it works for you.

Didn't have any at our local store, but they could order one from a nearby one for me. Instead, I bought a 305 with HR monitor for $96 + tax. Also on clearance, as they are clearing out for the new 410. I'm told the 405 that is on sale doesn't include the HR monitor, which is the main reason I'd buy a new Garmin. (better reception would be a plus but not really worth $140). Does anyone think the 405 is worth the extra $40 - and does it include a HR monitor?

I used my HR monitor a couple of times. but not worth the extra cash if you ask me.

It will be when you begin your HIM training plan. BTW, I am signed up for the Tawas Oly.

 

[Ned]

Hey Ned, I've been meaning to ask you, was Ned your original name, or were you an alias of another poster back when? I remember you popping up with that sig about your roster being so good that people had to PM you to see it, and I remember that you were funny, so I kind of assumed you were an alias, but it seems like you're just Ned now, so I wasn't sure.

I'm an alias turned regular, I guess. We actually played a bunch of tournies together on stars with dentist and the guys back in the day. I was KTM for a while, got banned for god knows what and created the Ned alias. The whole sig thing was fun and I just kinda stuck with Ned. Today was my last 'real' run before the marathon and it felt much much better. Good little confidence booster heading into the rest week. I have a whopping 9 miles to run this week before the race. I'm still undecided on what my plan is really going to look like, but I'll get it figured out in the coming days. I feel ready.ETA: I just saw the Sunday forecast come up on the news - Cloudy, low 54 high 66.

 

[Dexter]

Garmin Forerunner 405 $139.99

Best Buy B&M stores only. Looks like they are clearing out the 405 inventory to make room for the 410s. Price still shows $229.99, but is ringing up for the price above. YMMV

What's a B&M store?ETA: Brick & Mortar? So physical stores... I may have to make a trip this afternoon.

GL let us know if it works for you.

Didn't have any at our local store, but they could order one from a nearby one for me. Instead, I bought a 305 with HR monitor for $96 + tax. Also on clearance, as they are clearing out for the new 410. I'm told the 405 that is on sale doesn't include the HR monitor, which is the main reason I'd buy a new Garmin. (better reception would be a plus but not really worth $140). Does anyone think the 405 is worth the extra $40 - and does it include a HR monitor?

I used my HR monitor a couple of times. but not worth the extra cash if you ask me.

It will be when you begin your HIM training plan. BTW, I am signed up for the Tawas Oly.

I have not signed up yet, but plan on doing the Tawas HIM this year with a full next year.

 

[Dexter]

Also did my longest run of the year so far, 6 miles. I wish I could say it was nice and easy, but it wasn't. I'm way ahead of where I was last year.

 

[bostonfred]

Hey Ned, I've been meaning to ask you, was Ned your original name, or were you an alias of another poster back when? I remember you popping up with that sig about your roster being so good that people had to PM you to see it, and I remember that you were funny, so I kind of assumed you were an alias, but it seems like you're just Ned now, so I wasn't sure.

I'm an alias turned regular, I guess. We actually played a bunch of tournies together on stars with dentist and the guys back in the day. I was KTM for a while, got banned for god knows what and created the Ned alias. The whole sig thing was fun and I just kinda stuck with Ned.

That's funny, I wondered what happened to KTM. Only on the internet can you find out that someone you like is someone else that you like. I guess it'd be even weirder if I'd found out that someone I liked turned out to be someone I didn't, or vice versa. But it's weird knowing that you knew who I was and I didn't know who you were. I wonder if I totally missed some comments or jokes you made in the past.

 

[Ned]

Hey Ned, I've been meaning to ask you, was Ned your original name, or were you an alias of another poster back when? I remember you popping up with that sig about your roster being so good that people had to PM you to see it, and I remember that you were funny, so I kind of assumed you were an alias, but it seems like you're just Ned now, so I wasn't sure.

I'm an alias turned regular, I guess. We actually played a bunch of tournies together on stars with dentist and the guys back in the day. I was KTM for a while, got banned for god knows what and created the Ned alias. The whole sig thing was fun and I just kinda stuck with Ned.

That's funny, I wondered what happened to KTM. Only on the internet can you find out that someone you like is someone else that you like. I guess it'd be even weirder if I'd found out that someone I liked turned out to be someone I didn't, or vice versa. But it's weird knowing that you knew who I was and I didn't know who you were. I wonder if I totally missed some comments or jokes you made in the past.

I remember dropping hints during the roster PM exchange but wasn't sure if you picked up on it or not. I didnt want to blow the alias at the time and then gradually just stuck with Ned. Weird, but I think this is the first time I've ever outted this alias.

 

[sho nuff]

Time has been short lately to do too much. Kids have been busy and my son's soccer season wound down.

Still got in a 30 min 5k "warm up" doing a few the next two saturdays so figured I would go out for one Saturday to get a feel for my pace again without pushing it too hard.

Then 15 miles on the mountain bike yesterday.

Upcoming week looks like a lot of heat(80s and 90s)...but nice and in the mid 50s Saturday morning for the 5k.

 

[Sand]

I used my HR monitor a couple of times. but not worth the extra cash if you ask me.

I disagree - I think it is a good use of $50 to have one. IMO, of course. BTW, great 6 miler. Good to see you are progressing.On my end I finished up a craptacular biking week (since I had to skip my regularly scheduled long bike) with a solo 20 miler yesterday. 247w average ain't too shabby. Unlike swimming, at least BnB and Pigskin get this one.

 

[Ned]

I used my HR monitor a couple of times. but not worth the extra cash if you ask me.

I disagree - I think it is a good use of $50 to have one. IMO, of course. BTW, great 6 miler. Good to see you are progressing.On my end I finished up a craptacular biking week (since I had to skip my regularly scheduled long bike) with a solo 20 miler yesterday. 247w average ain't too shabby. Unlike swimming, at least BnB and Pigskin get this one.

Totally agreed on the HR monitor. It's a great addition if you track all of your workouts. It's a clear indicator of effort, IMO.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I used my HR monitor a couple of times. but not worth the extra cash if you ask me.

I disagree - I think it is a good use of $50 to have one. IMO, of course. BTW, great 6 miler. Good to see you are progressing.On my end I finished up a craptacular biking week (since I had to skip my regularly scheduled long bike) with a solo 20 miler yesterday. 247w average ain't too shabby. Unlike swimming, at least BnB and Pigskin get this one.

Totally agreed on the HR monitor. It's a great addition if you track all of your workouts. It's a clear indicator of effort, IMO.

I sprung for the 305 when my 205 died (last October), and I have to admit that I haven't used the HR monitor a single time. Partly that's due to the fact that I have no idea what my max HR is and I haven't done anything intense enough recently to find out. After I've recovered from my marathon, I'd really like to try this out. It's going to be sort of a summer project for me.

 

[tri-man 47]

I used my HR monitor a couple of times. but not worth the extra cash if you ask me.

I disagree - I think it is a good use of $50 to have one. IMO, of course. BTW, great 6 miler. Good to see you are progressing.On my end I finished up a craptacular biking week (since I had to skip my regularly scheduled long bike) with a solo 20 miler yesterday. 247w average ain't too shabby. Unlike swimming, at least BnB and Pigskin get this one.

Totally agreed on the HR monitor. It's a great addition if you track all of your workouts. It's a clear indicator of effort, IMO.

I sprung for the 305 when my 205 died (last October), and I have to admit that I haven't used the HR monitor a single time. Partly that's due to the fact that I have no idea what my max HR is and I haven't done anything intense enough recently to find out. After I've recovered from my marathon, I'd really like to try this out. It's going to be sort of a summer project for me.

I found the HRM to be a key training tool for my marathons. It was a reality check in keeping my long runs as long, slow runs. It helped my to gauge my tempo runs. The slightly elevated rate at Boston was, in fact, a good predictor of the late race challenge. The controlled rate at Big Sur gave me confidence and became a good predictor of that race's success.

 

[Sand]

I used my HR monitor a couple of times. but not worth the extra cash if you ask me.

I disagree - I think it is a good use of $50 to have one. IMO, of course. BTW, great 6 miler. Good to see you are progressing.On my end I finished up a craptacular biking week (since I had to skip my regularly scheduled long bike) with a solo 20 miler yesterday. 247w average ain't too shabby. Unlike swimming, at least BnB and Pigskin get this one.

Totally agreed on the HR monitor. It's a great addition if you track all of your workouts. It's a clear indicator of effort, IMO.

I sprung for the 305 when my 205 died (last October), and I have to admit that I haven't used the HR monitor a single time. Partly that's due to the fact that I have no idea what my max HR is and I haven't done anything intense enough recently to find out. After I've recovered from my marathon, I'd really like to try this out. It's going to be sort of a summer project for me.

I found the HRM to be a key training tool for my marathons. It was a reality check in keeping my long runs as long, slow runs. It helped my to gauge my tempo runs. The slightly elevated rate at Boston was, in fact, a good predictor of the late race challenge. The controlled rate at Big Sur gave me confidence and became a good predictor of that race's success.

I use my HR monitor mostly to keep tabs on what is going on when I bike. The surest sign of a big hill is when I see my HR spike to 180. I keep track of it during running, but mostly go by pace. I'll use it more during the summer to make sure I don't blow up as the days get hotter. Supposed to get to 90 today, so I'll be slowing down using the monitor to keep my effort level where I want it - I have lots of stuff to get done this week and I don't want to torch my legs.

 

[Ned]

I used my HR monitor a couple of times. but not worth the extra cash if you ask me.

I disagree - I think it is a good use of $50 to have one. IMO, of course. BTW, great 6 miler. Good to see you are progressing.On my end I finished up a craptacular biking week (since I had to skip my regularly scheduled long bike) with a solo 20 miler yesterday. 247w average ain't too shabby. Unlike swimming, at least BnB and Pigskin get this one.

Totally agreed on the HR monitor. It's a great addition if you track all of your workouts. It's a clear indicator of effort, IMO.

I sprung for the 305 when my 205 died (last October), and I have to admit that I haven't used the HR monitor a single time. Partly that's due to the fact that I have no idea what my max HR is and I haven't done anything intense enough recently to find out. After I've recovered from my marathon, I'd really like to try this out. It's going to be sort of a summer project for me.

I found the HRM to be a key training tool for my marathons. It was a reality check in keeping my long runs as long, slow runs. It helped my to gauge my tempo runs. The slightly elevated rate at Boston was, in fact, a good predictor of the late race challenge. The controlled rate at Big Sur gave me confidence and became a good predictor of that race's success.

I use my HR monitor mostly to keep tabs on what is going on when I bike. The surest sign of a big hill is when I see my HR spike to 180. I keep track of it during running, but mostly go by pace. I'll use it more during the summer to make sure I don't blow up as the days get hotter. Supposed to get to 90 today, so I'll be slowing down using the monitor to keep my effort level where I want it - I have lots of stuff to get done this week and I don't want to torch my legs.

Yup - I've gotten to the point where I know almost exactly where my HR is based on how I feel. The slightest change in grade and the HR goes up. I'm fascinated by it.

 

[FBG26]

Got a half mile swim in Saturday and a 25 mile bike in Sunday. Going to be tough to get some good work out in this week as I'll be in Phoenix for work. I'm going to try to get in some short runs in the morning but will need to be careful since the temps will be going from 70 degrees as a high here in MN to 70 degrees as a low in AZ (90s for highs). I do have long hike through the Grand Canyons planned for Saturday so if I get nothing else done this week, that will be a good workout.

 

[Peter_Griffin]

I'm not in tip top shape but I did a 5 mile race a couple weeks ago at 7:31/mile.

That works. Equivalent 5K time for that is 22:41, or 7:18/mile. So that's where you want to hit your miles, and I'd probably go closer to 5 minutes for the recovery intervals.I'll try to chime in more later, but go buy "Advanced Marathoning" by Pete Pfitzinger. It's pretty much my training bible. And for what it's worth, he says that VO2max workouts (i.e., repeats) are probably the least important form of speed training for marathoners. More focus on tempo runs and on marathon-pace miles within long runs.

I just bought this right after Boston and plan to follow one of his plans for my next marathon.

In addition to the training plans, the information in there is fantastic and he covers everything from nutrition to workouts to weight training to race strategy to etc.

Speaking from personal experience I agree that short speed workouts are not as helpful as the tempo runs.

 

[Ned]

I'm not in tip top shape but I did a 5 mile race a couple weeks ago at 7:31/mile.

That works. Equivalent 5K time for that is 22:41, or 7:18/mile. So that's where you want to hit your miles, and I'd probably go closer to 5 minutes for the recovery intervals.I'll try to chime in more later, but go buy "Advanced Marathoning" by Pete Pfitzinger. It's pretty much my training bible. And for what it's worth, he says that VO2max workouts (i.e., repeats) are probably the least important form of speed training for marathoners. More focus on tempo runs and on marathon-pace miles within long runs.

I just bought this right after Boston and plan to follow one of his plans for my next marathon.

In addition to the training plans, the information in there is fantastic and he covers everything from nutrition to workouts to weight training to race strategy to etc.

Speaking from personal experience I agree that short speed workouts are not as helpful as the tempo runs.

Hmmmm maybe this will be my first ibooks purchase on the ipad...

 

[BassNBrew]

Followed up my Wed 14 miler with a 20 mile bike on Thursday before heading out of town for a class. Ride was a 18 mph average, roughly 200 watts. Legs weren't feeling it, but it was good to get out.

After class on Friday I did decided to to a positve split 6 miler. I'm probably the only one around here doing these type of workouts. 8:58 min/mi, 145 hr, for the first 3 miles and then finished up with 3 miles at a 10:00 min/mi pace in the low 130s. I'm a big believer in doing some miles on tried legs within a workout so it's not a shock if it happens during a race.

Saturday was supposed to be a 70 mile bike ride but I overslept and couldn't get rolling. Decided to do my easy run which ended up being a 2 miler on the track rather than the scheduled. I did get in a weight workout. Repping 225 for 7...three short of my next goal.

Was psyched for the 70 miler on Sunday. Got all my stuff together Saturday evening including my nutrition. Was dressed and ready to roll early Sunday and realized I'd left my bike shoes 2 hours away at home. Not sure if it was a good idea, but I re-vamped my schedule and decided to do my 16 miler schedule for this week a little early and headed out the door. The other change was that the 16 miles was supposed to be flat and this track was on the Blue Ridge Parkway...in other words, very hilly. Here are the details...

1) 10:20 pace, 142 hr

2) 9:34, 123

3) 9:46, 141

4) 10:17, 138

5) 9:33, 136

6) 9:16, 124

7) 11:33, 143

8) 11:21, 144

9) 8:14, 134

10) 8:00, 135

11) 10:20, 146

12) 9:25, 149

13) 8:57, 142

14) 9:45, 149

15) 9:50, 148

16) 9:05, 151

total ascent - 1385 ft

ascent time - 1:04.00

descent time - 50.50

"flat" time - 40.23

Total time 2:35.13, 141 average hr, 2022 kcal, 49 bpm respiration, 9:42 min/mi pace

Pretty pumped to have this run behind me. Makes me feel better about the 16/18/20/22 on the calendar for training weeks 5-8. Now I'm behing on my biking and have to get in a 30/50/70 over the next week.

 

[Lehigh98]

I know I don't post much but just wanted to come in and mark the occasion of my first cortisone shot. Runner's knee after my half marathon last weekend and have a fun mud run 5K on a team with some old high school friends coming up on 5/21 so "I haven't got time for the pain".

The Dr pretty much said, "well why don't we just do a shot?... hell, I like doing them." Didn't realize it was no big deal so figured I'd try it out. Suppose to be able to go back to running pain free tomorrow (as long as its not a meniscus tear in which case it will still hurt and it would have turned out to be a diagnostic shot).

Was trying to break 1:45 for the half after running 1:47:02 last year but geting a bit of a late start on training this year. I died around mile 10 and it was a moral victory just to finish. Ended up with 1:47:21 so slower than last year. Prob due to one of 3 things:

1. Went out too fast

2. Didn't do enough hills in training (the somewhat hilly towards the middle-end) race

3. Sex the night before (is this a real thing or an old wives tale?)

Thanks for the tips to use Cafepress for the mud run shirts, they'll look a little something like this:

Shirt

 

[Ned]

Love the shirt, Lehigh. The back is an awesome idea!

_________

Hooray for sore throats

 

[Dexter]

Did 10 miles on the mountain bike trail today. Felt really good.

I have a "race" this weekend and I use the term race extremely lightly. I put a 3 man team together to do 6 hours of stony creek. Basically it's a relay team so I expect to do 2 laps totaling 20-26 miles. I expect to buzzed during my second lap.

 

[BassNBrew]

50.2 mile bike ride last night. Was supposed to be an easy ride but fading light necessiated a little more urgency on the return trip.

18.5 mph, 197 watts out and 20.3 mph, 241 watts back. 19.4 mph average for the ride. Pretty happy with that coming off a long run. Interestingly enough, the ride time was within 2 seconds of my run time from yesterday. Also got bit on the foot by a 5 pound runt of a dog. If the owner hadn't of been there I would have punted that thing.

 

[tri-man 47]

50.2 mile bike ride last night. Was supposed to be an easy ride but fading light necessiated a little more urgency on the return trip.18.5 mph, 197 watts out and 20.3 mph, 241 watts back. 19.4 mph average for the ride. Pretty happy with that coming off a long run. Interestingly enough, the ride time was within 2 seconds of my run time from yesterday. Also got bit on the foot by a 5 pound runt of a dog. If the owner hadn't of been there I would have punted that thing.

Nice back to back workouts! Haven't you been bitten in the past? What's with that?

 

[BassNBrew]

50.2 mile bike ride last night. Was supposed to be an easy ride but fading light necessiated a little more urgency on the return trip.18.5 mph, 197 watts out and 20.3 mph, 241 watts back. 19.4 mph average for the ride. Pretty happy with that coming off a long run. Interestingly enough, the ride time was within 2 seconds of my run time from yesterday. Also got bit on the foot by a 5 pound runt of a dog. If the owner hadn't of been there I would have punted that thing.

Nice back to back workouts! Haven't you been bitten in the past? What's with that?

First time for me. Once I get about 10 mi out of town it gets pretty rural around here. Seriously considering getting a holster for each leg...pepper spray in one and .22 cal pistol in the other.

 

[Peter_Griffin]

50.2 mile bike ride last night. Was supposed to be an easy ride but fading light necessiated a little more urgency on the return trip.18.5 mph, 197 watts out and 20.3 mph, 241 watts back. 19.4 mph average for the ride. Pretty happy with that coming off a long run. Interestingly enough, the ride time was within 2 seconds of my run time from yesterday. Also got bit on the foot by a 5 pound runt of a dog. If the owner hadn't of been there I would have punted that thing.

Nice back to back workouts! Haven't you been bitten in the past? What's with that?

First time for me. Once I get about 10 mi out of town it gets pretty rural around here. Seriously considering getting a holster for each leg...pepper spray in one and .22 cal pistol in the other.

How do you get bit by a little dog while on your bike? I would think you'd be moving fast enough that it wouldn't be able to get you. At a minimum I'd think a little dog would be afraid of a big bike? Was the owner at least apologetic?

 

[BassNBrew]

I used my HR monitor a couple of times. but not worth the extra cash if you ask me.

I disagree - I think it is a good use of $50 to have one. IMO, of course. BTW, great 6 miler. Good to see you are progressing.On my end I finished up a craptacular biking week (since I had to skip my regularly scheduled long bike) with a solo 20 miler yesterday. 247w average ain't too shabby. Unlike swimming, at least BnB and Pigskin get this one.

Can you switch the units to english next time? Metric is a pain in the butt.Looks like you ride about 15 rpm faster than me.

 

[BassNBrew]

50.2 mile bike ride last night. Was supposed to be an easy ride but fading light necessiated a little more urgency on the return trip.18.5 mph, 197 watts out and 20.3 mph, 241 watts back. 19.4 mph average for the ride. Pretty happy with that coming off a long run. Interestingly enough, the ride time was within 2 seconds of my run time from yesterday. Also got bit on the foot by a 5 pound runt of a dog. If the owner hadn't of been there I would have punted that thing.

Nice back to back workouts! Haven't you been bitten in the past? What's with that?

First time for me. Once I get about 10 mi out of town it gets pretty rural around here. Seriously considering getting a holster for each leg...pepper spray in one and .22 cal pistol in the other.

How do you get bit by a little dog while on your bike? I would think you'd be moving fast enough that it wouldn't be able to get you. At a minimum I'd think a little dog would be afraid of a big bike? Was the owner at least apologetic?

I saw it coming from the yard. I was doing about 18-20 mph and it closed down the distance and ran right in front of my front tire. I checked up and was coasting when it looped around and bit my foot that wasn't pedaling. Possibly could have out sprinted it, but I could have around run over it and crashed. Usually when you yell at a dog it backs off....this one didn't.Owner was some fat bitty probably pushing 300 lbs. All she said was, "wait until I pick him up". She then waddled to the road while her two fatter friends stood on the front porch. They could film a season of Biggest Loser at that house.

 

[vikes70]

So, over the weekend I may have bet a guy that I could run a 10k in under an hour. Luckily, the next 10k in the area isn't until June 2. I can do 2 miles in about 20 minutes right now. But, I am not a fan of the running and the thought of running for an hour straight makes me want to take a nap. In case the guy calls me on this, anyone have a good traning program to get my butt in enough shape to do a 10k in 60 minutes in the next 4 months?TIA

There's no doubt you can do 10 K in under an hour. I ran 5K in under 25.

 

[Ned]

50.2 mile bike ride last night. Was supposed to be an easy ride but fading light necessiated a little more urgency on the return trip.18.5 mph, 197 watts out and 20.3 mph, 241 watts back. 19.4 mph average for the ride. Pretty happy with that coming off a long run. Interestingly enough, the ride time was within 2 seconds of my run time from yesterday. Also got bit on the foot by a 5 pound runt of a dog. If the owner hadn't of been there I would have punted that thing.

Nice back to back workouts! Haven't you been bitten in the past? What's with that?

First time for me. Once I get about 10 mi out of town it gets pretty rural around here. Seriously considering getting a holster for each leg...pepper spray in one and .22 cal pistol in the other.

Wasn't it Sand who got bit last year? :notebook:

 

[gruecd]

Hey, guys. Nice and busy around here this morning. Got up and ran early again this morning (2nd day in a row), since I'm heading down to Milwaukee this afternoon for the Brewers game, and I wanted to be back from my run, showered, and dressed by 8 AM when early registration opened for Houston.

Had a late night last night, so I was working on about 5 hours of sleep when my alarm went off at 5:30. Plan was to do 7 miles with 2 at my goal pace for Sunday's half marathon. I felt like I was sleepwalking the first few miles, but eventually the legs woke up, and I knocked out the pace miles at 6:29 and 6:28. A few seconds faster than race pace, but I felt surprisingly good. Finished out the run, showered and got dressed, sat down at the computer around 7:40, and discovered that they'd actually opened registration a little early. Sweet. Site loaded with no problems, and within a couple minutes I'd secured one of the 2,000 guaranteed entries and avoided the lottery. Good start to the day. Really looking forward to hanging out with all my friends again and watching the men's and women's Olympic Trials the day before. Gonna be a blast.

Just a couple short runs left this week (5-, 4-, and 3-milers), and then I've got the half on Sunday. Goal is 1:26:30, which would be a PR by 1:22. Weather is looking good (mid-40s), so we'll see what happens.

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Bass - Sorry to hear about the dog bite. I know it's different on a bike, but I've had little dogs like that chase me when I've been out running, and I've totally punted 'em. Nice workouts, too, by the way.

Dexter - Have fun with the relay.

Lehigh - Weird that they'd be so quick to do a cortisone shot. Usually that's more of a "last resort" kind of thing. Hope the knee is feeling better.

Ned - The Pfitz book is definitely a worthy purchase. I saw my biggest improvements as a marathoner once I started doing Pfitz. I'm guessing that Peter_Griffin will experience the same thing.

OK, all I've got time for right now. Hope you all have a great Tuesday. Keep up the good work!!!

 

[IvanKaramazov]

5 Garmin-free miles on legs that felt completely leaden and lethargic. My taper now feels "official".

 

[Sand]

I used my HR monitor a couple of times. but not worth the extra cash if you ask me.

I disagree - I think it is a good use of $50 to have one. IMO, of course. BTW, great 6 miler. Good to see you are progressing.On my end I finished up a craptacular biking week (since I had to skip my regularly scheduled long bike) with a solo 20 miler yesterday. 247w average ain't too shabby. Unlike swimming, at least BnB and Pigskin get this one.

Can you switch the units to english next time? Metric is a pain in the butt.Looks like you ride about 15 rpm faster than me.

It is english for me. Must be your settings on that site. And I do tend to ride at pretty high RPMs. Typical ride is 90ish. For a TT I'm up at 97 or so. That's just what my body wants to do, I guess.

 

[Ned]

After a ton of over analyzing the past 10 days or so, I've just had my plan come to me during my 3 miler today. I'm ready.

These past couple of days has turned our lives upside down, but has also given me clear perspective on this race and everything else in life. My wife's grandfather lived in the 'inlaw suite' that we have connected to our house for the past few years. My wife's parents' yard joins up to our yard, so we have a nice little corner carved out for family here <insert living with inlaws jokes here>. Long story short, after a long battle with his kidneys, her grandfather passed away yesterday morning. Its obviously stirred up all kinds of emotions. It has also opened up a lot of old wounds for me personally from losing my dad 9 years ago.

I did 3 easy miles for lunch and reflected back on all the above and came to the conclusion that I'm putting way too much pressure on myself with this marathon. I've completely lost sight of why I'm doing this in the first place and got caught up with chasing an arbitrary number that I've cooked up in my head based on a hand full of training runs. In all honesty, I really have no clue what I'm doing when it comes to running 26.2. Setting these arbitrary goals is setting myself up to fail.

So with that, I'm rebooting myself and going at this by listening to my body for the entire run. My 1 and only goal is to enjoy this experience and be happy that I'm alive and physically capable of even attempting to run 26.2. Any good numbers will surely come as a result of that and will be icing on the cake. This goes against my usual competitive nature, but I'm at peace with this. I want to run because I love this sport and its really a celebration of what I've been able to accomplish in the last 9 months.

 

[skillz]

I am long-time lurker and occassionally post in here. Been running for about 4 years now and have kept to 5 and 10K's. IT is tough for me to get a run in more than 3-4 days per week with my work schedule and taking care of my young son. Have a 10K this weekend in Grand Rapids - ran my first 10K in the same race last year in terrible weather (windy and very cold) and finished in 49:18 which I was very happy with (my goal heading into the race was 52:00). Hoping to beat that time this year.

After that is done I am seriously considering a new challenge by doing a mini-triathlon in August. Requires a 3 mile run, 15 mile bike ride and .3 mile swim. Figured it would give me a change of pace to my workout and a new challenge after 4 years of simply running.

So I am sure I will be posting in here soon about any help or tips you guys can give me on how to get ready for the tri in August. Mostly worried about the swim part more than anything else. I plan on training at a pool in my local Y. The rest seems to be mostly logistical concerns like bringing the right equipment and clothing in order for me to successfully switch over from one portion of the event to another.

 

[tri-man 47]

Ned - it sounds like the family is close in every sense of the word, so I'm sorry to hear of your loss. You've had a good reality check regarding the marathon, and you're going in with a great mindset. It will feel easy over the first miles ...as you note, listen to your body, and see where you're at as you proceed. You can always pick up the pace, but if you go too hard, you can't recover mid-stream.

skillz - good for you! Pool swimming will be OK, though it would help if you could get in some open water before the event.

 

[Darrinll40]

Ned, sorry to hear about your family's loss.

I think you are going to do well in the race.

I usually do 3 miles on Tuesday but today I felt great when I got home from work. It was 88 out when I usually go so I waited about hour or so and the temp did change, to 90, so I decided to go out for 4. Knowing it was real hot I started out slow and easy, at one point about 3 miles I looked at the garmin and saw I was going 9:45, so I slowed down more. I didn't just want to finish, but I wanted to finish feeling good.

The last time I ran 4 miles was about 2 months ago when that was my long run, it was about 54 degrees out, and I finished in 40:04ish. Today in 90 degrees, taking it easy, I finished in 41:07. I think I could have beat 40 if I had pushed it, or ran another mile at the pace I was going.

I am really leaning toward committing to the Nov 27 marathon, I still have until the end of July to decide.

Oh yea, my shoes hit 298 miles today and I am feeling the wear. Luckily my new Brooks GTX 11's came in today so I can start breaking them in on Thursday.

 

[SteelCurtain]

Ned, sorry to hear about your family's loss.I think you are going to do well in the race.I usually do 3 miles on Tuesday but today I felt great when I got home from work. It was 88 out when I usually go so I waited about hour or so and the temp did change, to 90, so I decided to go out for 4. Knowing it was real hot I started out slow and easy, at one point about 3 miles I looked at the garmin and saw I was going 9:45, so I slowed down more. I didn't just want to finish, but I wanted to finish feeling good.The last time I ran 4 miles was about 2 months ago when that was my long run, it was about 54 degrees out, and I finished in 40:04ish. Today in 90 degrees, taking it easy, I finished in 41:07. I think I could have beat 40 if I had pushed it, or ran another mile at the pace I was going. I am really leaning toward committing to the Nov 27 marathon, I still have until the end of July to decide.Oh yea, my shoes hit 298 miles today and I am feeling the wear. Luckily my new Brooks GTX 11's came in today so I can start breaking them in on Thursday.

I'm not sure of your racing history.....if its not extensive, I would recommend you try to do a longer race (10 miles to half marathon) between now and July. If it goes well and you want to do a marathon, I think you should! Good luck and great job today. 4 miles in 90 degrees is impressive -- I don't care what the time is.

 

[SteelCurtain]

After a ton of over analyzing the past 10 days or so, I've just had my plan come to me during my 3 miler today. I'm ready.These past couple of days has turned our lives upside down, but has also given me clear perspective on this race and everything else in life. My wife's grandfather lived in the 'inlaw suite' that we have connected to our house for the past few years. My wife's parents' yard joins up to our yard, so we have a nice little corner carved out for family here <insert living with inlaws jokes here>. Long story short, after a long battle with his kidneys, her grandfather passed away yesterday morning. Its obviously stirred up all kinds of emotions. It has also opened up a lot of old wounds for me personally from losing my dad 9 years ago.I did 3 easy miles for lunch and reflected back on all the above and came to the conclusion that I'm putting way too much pressure on myself with this marathon. I've completely lost sight of why I'm doing this in the first place and got caught up with chasing an arbitrary number that I've cooked up in my head based on a hand full of training runs. In all honesty, I really have no clue what I'm doing when it comes to running 26.2. Setting these arbitrary goals is setting myself up to fail.So with that, I'm rebooting myself and going at this by listening to my body for the entire run. My 1 and only goal is to enjoy this experience and be happy that I'm alive and physically capable of even attempting to run 26.2. Any good numbers will surely come as a result of that and will be icing on the cake. This goes against my usual competitive nature, but I'm at peace with this. I want to run because I love this sport and its really a celebration of what I've been able to accomplish in the last 9 months.

Ned -- first, I'm sorry to hear about your loss. Certainly, helps to put things in perspective, eh? Hope you and your wife are hanging in there.In terms of your attitude with the marathon, I may be able to help. For me, (and I've only done one marathon so far) I'm really competitive and it sounds like you are also. Since my longest run was just shy of 20 miles and I didn't know how the last 6+ miles would go, I decided to set my goal for my marathon to get to 20 mile marker at XXX pace. After that, the final 6+ miles was all gravy and how fast I did it would depend on how I felt. It helped me deal with my competitive urge while still trying to enjoy the race. Don't know if that will work for you, but that's how I handled it and I had a great experience. Good luck!

 

[Darrinll40]

Ned, sorry to hear about your family's loss.I think you are going to do well in the race.I usually do 3 miles on Tuesday but today I felt great when I got home from work. It was 88 out when I usually go so I waited about hour or so and the temp did change, to 90, so I decided to go out for 4. Knowing it was real hot I started out slow and easy, at one point about 3 miles I looked at the garmin and saw I was going 9:45, so I slowed down more. I didn't just want to finish, but I wanted to finish feeling good.The last time I ran 4 miles was about 2 months ago when that was my long run, it was about 54 degrees out, and I finished in 40:04ish. Today in 90 degrees, taking it easy, I finished in 41:07. I think I could have beat 40 if I had pushed it, or ran another mile at the pace I was going. I am really leaning toward committing to the Nov 27 marathon, I still have until the end of July to decide.Oh yea, my shoes hit 298 miles today and I am feeling the wear. Luckily my new Brooks GTX 11's came in today so I can start breaking them in on Thursday.

I'm not sure of your racing history.....if its not extensive, I would recommend you try to do a longer race (10 miles to half marathon) between now and July. If it goes well and you want to do a marathon, I think you should! Good luck and great job today. 4 miles in 90 degrees is impressive -- I don't care what the time is.

I have done 3 halfs, 3 10 milers, 4 10K, a 5 miler, and about 30 5K's. I am thinking it may be time for a full.Thanks for the reply.

 

[SteelCurtain]

Ned, sorry to hear about your family's loss.I think you are going to do well in the race.I usually do 3 miles on Tuesday but today I felt great when I got home from work. It was 88 out when I usually go so I waited about hour or so and the temp did change, to 90, so I decided to go out for 4. Knowing it was real hot I started out slow and easy, at one point about 3 miles I looked at the garmin and saw I was going 9:45, so I slowed down more. I didn't just want to finish, but I wanted to finish feeling good.The last time I ran 4 miles was about 2 months ago when that was my long run, it was about 54 degrees out, and I finished in 40:04ish. Today in 90 degrees, taking it easy, I finished in 41:07. I think I could have beat 40 if I had pushed it, or ran another mile at the pace I was going. I am really leaning toward committing to the Nov 27 marathon, I still have until the end of July to decide.Oh yea, my shoes hit 298 miles today and I am feeling the wear. Luckily my new Brooks GTX 11's came in today so I can start breaking them in on Thursday.

I'm not sure of your racing history.....if its not extensive, I would recommend you try to do a longer race (10 miles to half marathon) between now and July. If it goes well and you want to do a marathon, I think you should! Good luck and great job today. 4 miles in 90 degrees is impressive -- I don't care what the time is.

I have done 3 halfs, 3 10 milers, 4 10K, a 5 miler, and about 30 5K's. I am thinking it may be time for a full.Thanks for the reply.

Oh then....you should just sign up and do this marathon. Before I signed up for my marathon I had done one half and everything else was 8 miles or less. Just realize the marathon is a much different animal than the half (obviously), but you have an incredible knowledge base in here to help you train and also to motivate you.Good luck to whatever you decide.:StillCan'tBelieveYouRunWhenIts90Degrees:

 

[El Floppo]

Got a 1000 yard swim in tonight. About a week ago one of the lifeguards (and HS swimmer) basically told me my kick sucks and to keep my legs straight so I cut back on the distance tonight and focused on my kick. It felt completely unnatural but I'm going to keep with it.

Hey Floppo, you need to reply to this!!!! Sorry guys, still getting killed at work, plus I am coaching baseball so not real time to check in. But 26, be careful, the triathlon swim has far less kick than normal freestyle. If you build in too much kick, you are (PSL term) burning matches for later in the race. Google up some triathlon swimming vids. Your legs should be rudders and limited kicking will save your legs for where they'll be needed.

There is a difference between poor kicking form and not enough kicking. It is likely that FBG has a kick that has too much knee action. Getting to a nice tight flutter kick, even with respect to triathlon swimming doesn't mean he has to have a 6 beat motorboat going on. Good tight 2 beat triathlon swim kick.For the record I have a light 6 beat kick for all my swimming, triathlon included.

I also use a 6 beat kick, but only two are true, strong kicks.---

Tapers ...I fought the same feelings. I started worrying about injuries on every run, and the runs felt slug-gish! Throw in some accelerations to remind yourself that you've got some spark in there. Approaching the race(s), I mentally checked off my marks. Get into the final week? check. Hydrate through the final days? check. Eat my big meal two nights before? check ...

I have no swimming background. What I know, I learned from two tri-coaches who DO have swimming backgrounds (collegiate). Over the course of two years training with them, they hammered home the two-beat kick for everybody from beginners like me to serious swimmers, and use it themselves when they race (these guys are beasts- one of them was a top 3 ultra-IMer).

I can tell you that my legs always felt fresh for the bike and run (well... semi-fresh for the run).

But that's a different beast than poor kick technique.

 

[Dexter]

Ned sorry for your loss, but I'm glad you're getting something out of it. Really that's all we can do in life. With every new experiance try and learn something new and it seems like you've done just that.

 

[El Floppo]

After a ton of over analyzing the past 10 days or so, I've just had my plan come to me during my 3 miler today. I'm ready.These past couple of days has turned our lives upside down, but has also given me clear perspective on this race and everything else in life. My wife's grandfather lived in the 'inlaw suite' that we have connected to our house for the past few years. My wife's parents' yard joins up to our yard, so we have a nice little corner carved out for family here <insert living with inlaws jokes here>. Long story short, after a long battle with his kidneys, her grandfather passed away yesterday morning. Its obviously stirred up all kinds of emotions. It has also opened up a lot of old wounds for me personally from losing my dad 9 years ago.I did 3 easy miles for lunch and reflected back on all the above and came to the conclusion that I'm putting way too much pressure on myself with this marathon. I've completely lost sight of why I'm doing this in the first place and got caught up with chasing an arbitrary number that I've cooked up in my head based on a hand full of training runs. In all honesty, I really have no clue what I'm doing when it comes to running 26.2. Setting these arbitrary goals is setting myself up to fail.So with that, I'm rebooting myself and going at this by listening to my body for the entire run. My 1 and only goal is to enjoy this experience and be happy that I'm alive and physically capable of even attempting to run 26.2. Any good numbers will surely come as a result of that and will be icing on the cake. This goes against my usual competitive nature, but I'm at peace with this. I want to run because I love this sport and its really a celebration of what I've been able to accomplish in the last 9 months.

Ned -- first, I'm sorry to hear about your loss. Certainly, helps to put things in perspective, eh? Hope you and your wife are hanging in there.In terms of your attitude with the marathon, I may be able to help. For me, (and I've only done one marathon so far) I'm really competitive and it sounds like you are also. Since my longest run was just shy of 20 miles and I didn't know how the last 6+ miles would go, I decided to set my goal for my marathon to get to 20 mile marker at XXX pace. After that, the final 6+ miles was all gravy and how fast I did it would depend on how I felt. It helped me deal with my competitive urge while still trying to enjoy the race. Don't know if that will work for you, but that's how I handled it and I had a great experience. Good luck!

Ditto about your wife's grandfather- sorry for your collective loss.re: marathon... sounds like a good plan state-of-mind-wise to not get caught up with arbitrary goals. I had to deal with a couple of things getting in the way of my longer races, and had to also retool what my own expectations were for them. IIRC, the goals were as follows: 1- get to start line healthy as possible; 2- get to finish line as healthy as possible.That said... I also had done too much training to not at least approach both with realistic sub-goals (beyond starting and finishing), and I think it will be important for you to consider giving yourself an approach to the race physically (whether it's time-goals per mile, or something else) so that when you finish you know you've given your training and yourself every opportunity to push to what you're capable of. Not trying to be contrary- especially during these hard/dark days- but you really don't know if this will be your only shot at doing this... for me, I didn't want to have regrets looking back as to whether I could've/should've/would've done something more. My race-plans (and maybe that's what I'm advising) gave me the support I needed to achieve what I wanted and needed from those... as did the inner-collective voice of this thread for at least one of the races.The very best of luck during these days and for your race.