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Ran a 10k in June (7 Viewers)

King of the Mt Race Report

Leg 3 - 26.2 mile Grandfather Mountain Marathon

Profile - http://www.hopeformarrow.org/gmminfo.htm 2400 ft of climbing.

Conditions - Low 70's at start, foggy and humid. Legs were tired from the previous 2 days. Hamstrings and calves were tight, but not majorly sore.

Overview - 400 starters, 360 finishers

Event had a 5h30m cutoff time. Goal was to make the cutoff time with an upside goal of 5 hours if things went well. Race plan was to hit the halfway point at 2h30m. Get thru the big hills and mile 20 under 4 hours. Push thru or even walk the last 6+ miles in under 1.5 hours.

My training had consistent of 2-3 runs a week. One long run per week (topping out at 20 mi) and one to two 3-6 mi runs each week. It was an 11 week training plan. Definately worried about coming into this undertrained and short on miles.

This race kicked off at the AppSt U stadium. For those of you in the Great Lakes region, AppSt is the 3 time NCAA Div2 national champion and kicked Meechagin's butt in the big house. Two laps around the track and then out the door we went. Funniest part about the start was that I had never run with 6 gels and 8 shotboks in my britches. I didn't have my shorts adjusted for the weight and halk my butt was hanging out after a lap. I had to re-tie my shorts on the fly.

Mile 1 flew by...8:27 pace. Faster than expected, but my hr was in the upper 120s should I rolled with it. Mile 2 was an 8:41. We were still going downhill and the hr looked good.

Things get serious after mile 2.

mile 3 - 10:02, 115 ft climb, 132 hr

mile 4 - 10:29, 141 ft climb, 134 hr

mile 5 - 11:07, 233 ft climb, 139 hr

Felt good here. 1/5th of the climbing was done and I was holding paces below my 12:00 plan without blowing up the hr.

mile 6 - 9:31, 115 ft up, 184 ft down, 133 hr.

Passed numerous people on the descent

mile 7 - 11:29, 213 ft up, 132 hr

mile 8 - 8:41, 259 ft down, 125 hr

The downhills weren't fun and were giving the legs a beating. I was flying past people on the descents. Tried to get the done quickly and let the legs go to save the quads from braking. Miles 9 and 10 resumed the climbing.

mile 9 - 10:20, 125 ft up, 132 hr

mile 10 - 10:54, 213 ft up, 134 hr

Huge mental lift at this point. Just rolled into the double digits and my overall pace was 9:58 min/mi. It didn't last long. We turned onto the Parkway for 3 miles of downhill. The halfway point seemed like it would never come. Hips were hurting after 3 miles of downhill and the quads and hammies were starting to get tight. I felt like I was running in molasses here and was occasionally getting passed. I didn't realize it at the time, but the splits show numbers much better than I felt.

mile 11 - 9:06, 33 ft up, 75 ft down, 130 hr

mile 12 - 8:46, 43 ft up, 243 ft down, 125 hr

mile 13 - 8:16, 200 ft down, 120 hr

I hit the halfway point at roughly 2h10m just under 10 min/mi. I wasn't feeling great here but I knew I had started well enough that I would make the 5.5 hr cut off time. We were turning off the parkway and then something strange happened.

It was one of those steep hills that had the entire field in front of me walking. First I passed one person and I get the glance. Heart rate is rising as I drop another two. It was then that the pain just went away. It seem like people were going backwards. Usually I'm the one giving the wtf looks, not receiving them. Mile 14 had 39 ft of climbing and was 9:27 pace. Mile 15 had 49 ft and was 10:00 even.

I passed between 30-40 people in about a three mile section. At mile 15.5 I'm staring up a wall with a another dozen or so walkers spaced up the hill. My first thought was would anyone even believe that I ran the last half of this marathon without being passed by another person. That became the goal for the rest of the race. It was only .23 miles but I held an 11:30 pace up 75 ft of climbing and kept the hr in the mid 140s while passing another 8 or so people.

mile 16 - 11:29, 121 ft up, 132 hr

mile 17 - 11:34, 164 ft up, 137 hr

mile 18 - 10:57, 167 ft up, 136 hr

To keep my pace up I'd "sprint" the last 50-100 yards before a water stop, grab 4 cups and walk while I drink. I feeling absolutely stoked now. I'm actually getting stronger and feeling better the deeper I go into this event.

mile 19 - 9:58, 59 ft up, 135 hr

mile 20 - 9:59, 52 ft up, 138 hr

mile 21 - 9:53, 59 ft up, 140 hr

Miles are flying by now. Heart is starting to climb and thoughts of the hitting that wall everyone talks about are starting to creep into my mind. The good news is that I'm past the mile 20 mark in under 3.5 hours, easily a 1/2 an hour ahead of plan.

gps went totally fruity at the end, but I averaged 10:04 mi/min pace over the last "5.76 miles". Technically one guy passed me back in this stretch who I passed before an aid station. Absolutely nailed the nutrition and hydration. Actually had to stop and pee just passed midway. I never hit that wall. The only hiccup was the gps getting lost around mile 22 and not having my data fix. I was like...where's my data...how much further...how fast am I going??? Looks like my last 16 miles and change were at the same pace as my first 10 miles.

This event finishes at the Grandfather Highland games. I heard the bag pipes about 3/4 of a mile out and knew the end was in sight. We finished with a lap on the track in front of thousands of spectators. I'm running as fast as I can on the track. Turn into the home stretch and see the clock in the upper 4:26 range. It was all the "sprint" I could muster, but I crossed at 4:26:53, good for 161th.

My girlfriend and son almost missed me finishing. My son was saying to my gf will dad be coming soon. She would reply...probably another 30 to 45 minutes. She probably fell over when he said I think I see dad.

Funniest part is that if you rank my events by placement, I finished the highest in the marathon, followed by the bear, then the bike ride. Not sure anyone would have wagered on that.

gps had me at 26.74 miles, 9:59 pace. Official time had me at a 10:11 pace. I nailed the tangents on the course so likely the gps was the issue, but the course could have been long.

I've been riding a high after this event all week. Absolutely crushed it and pulled out a performance that I had zero expectations of doing. Soreness is gone and knees/joints survived with zero issues. Now I have to decided what's next.

 
King of the Mt Race ReportLeg 2 - 65 mile Grizzly Bike Race, 7000+ ft climbingConditions - Low 70's at start, rain halfway thru eventOverview - 95+ started, 94 finishers, 3hr 35m finish time, 45th
Awesome race report, BnB. But 3:35 over 65 miles is 18mph, not 14. For 7k feet of climbing that is moving!BTW, did you record that to a Garmin? I'd love to see the file.
opps...that was 4:35. shot me your e-mail and I'll send you a file.
 
BnB - holy ####!!! You demolished that marathon. Especially given the races just prior to that. Major major kudos. :thumbup: :thumbup:

ETA: :lmao: at the 6 gels/8 shotblocks in your shorts. The visual was priceless.

 
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'BassNBrew said:
I've been riding a high after this event all week. Absolutely crushed it and pulled out a performance that I had zero expectations of doing. Soreness is gone and knees/joints survived with zero issues. Now I have to decided what's next.
Way to go. Impressive performance across the board. :thumbup:
 
'BassNBrew said:
I've been riding a high after this event all week. Absolutely crushed it and pulled out a performance that I had zero expectations of doing. Soreness is gone and knees/joints survived with zero issues. Now I have to decided what's next.
Way to go. Impressive performance across the board. :thumbup:
I agree with the slow guy.I'm glad I randomly came in here today- that race and report were epic. Amazing job, bnb :thumbup:
 
I read all these posts about running and am getting pretty jealous. Last summer I started having problems with my hips and knees. Physical therapist told me it's time to accept the fact that maybe I can't run any more. I've been running my entire life, and I'm only 30...

 
I read all these posts about running and am getting pretty jealous. Last summer I started having problems with my hips and knees. Physical therapist told me it's time to accept the fact that maybe I can't run any more. I've been running my entire life, and I'm only 30...
Find another PT. Seriously.
 
Really looking fwd to the MT appointment tomorrow. My legs are still tight/sore, but not as bad as a few days ago. I scaled back this week's runs to just a 5 recovery, 5 GA, 5 recovery. Today's 5 recover was still sore/uncomfortable, which I don't think I should've felt much of anything given the scaled back week. We'll see what this chick can do tomorrow...

 
I read all these posts about running and am getting pretty jealous. Last summer I started having problems with my hips and knees. Physical therapist told me it's time to accept the fact that maybe I can't run any more. I've been running my entire life, and I'm only 30...
Find another PT. Seriously.
:goodposting: There are lots of PTs out there who work almost exclusively with old people, people recovering from accidents/surgery, etc. They don't necessarily know much about sports injuries in general or running injuries in particular. If you are 30 years old and otherwise in good health, it's hard to imagine that you "can't" run. Find somebody who specializes in sports medicine, preferably somebody who's a runner.
 
BnB - What an incredible race sequence! It's amazing what can happen when we train hard and make an unwavering commitment, isn't it? As I read your marathon report, I was watching the moderate HR numbers, so when you said that things suddenly clicked, I wasn't all that surprised. Totally awesome how you were able to attack the hills and back-half of the course! Great training; smart racing.

I can relate to the fact that you're feeling a little lost in the aftermath. But don't stress it - you're allowed to just take it steady for a while and enjoy your success.

Congratulations ...very, very impressive.

 
I read all these posts about running and am getting pretty jealous. Last summer I started having problems with my hips and knees. Physical therapist told me it's time to accept the fact that maybe I can't run any more. I've been running my entire life, and I'm only 30...
Find another PT. Seriously.
Yep. I'm coming back from some pretty bad knee trouble I posted about earlier. I've been doing a lot of reading lately. You can transfer stress away from your knees and hips by changing your form. Read Running Fast and Injury Free by Gordon Pirie. You can download the PDF for free, it was never published. He discusses proper technique in detail from pages 17-20. Modifying my form has done wonders for me.

 
I read all these posts about running and am getting pretty jealous. Last summer I started having problems with my hips and knees. Physical therapist told me it's time to accept the fact that maybe I can't run any more. I've been running my entire life, and I'm only 30...
A couple of us here have taken a liking to yoga ...that might help, too, as a way to stretch things out and realign.
 
'BassNBrew said:
'Sand said:
King of the Mt Race ReportLeg 2 - 65 mile Grizzly Bike Race, 7000+ ft climbingConditions - Low 70's at start, rain halfway thru eventOverview - 95+ started, 94 finishers, 3hr 35m finish time, 45th
Awesome race report, BnB. But 3:35 over 65 miles is 18mph, not 14. For 7k feet of climbing that is moving!BTW, did you record that to a Garmin? I'd love to see the file.
opps...that was 4:35. shot me your e-mail and I'll send you a file.
I PMed you. 4:35 is still an amazing time. :hifive: ---On my end not a huge amount going on. Did my first group hill repeat workout. Killing yourself up a 6% 1 mile climb multiple times is definitely more fun with a friend or two. I did set a new 5 min. power record at 319w (4.1W/kg - i.e. I'm still fat). BnB - I'm afraid to even ask what you can do for 5 minutes.
 
Weights last night...bit of a rest day today.

7 miles on tap tomorrow before a step back next week for a fun little 5k at my old high school. Starting and finishing on my old track. Looking forward to it. Should be a pretty flat course too thankfully if I remember the are well enough.

Sub 28 or bust.

 
Bastille Day 5K Race Report

Another podium! 21:39 (6:59/mi) - 2nd of 33 in 55-59 age group, 76 of 1,477 overall.

This was an evening event in the city. It also featured a new 8K race, which took off fifteen minutes before the 5K. That became a bit of an issue during the race. One funny thing at the start of the 8K: Several young ladies came to cheer dressed as french dancing girls/hookers. They were 30 yards in front of the field when the gun sounded, so they ran a few steps and then split to either side. One girl decided to be on the other side, and ran back into the course - only to get crushed to the ground by the front of the field. Stupid hookers ...

My first 5K race in a big field in quite a while. I started quite near the front, but still had some joggers in the way (what compels them to start that far up?). But the field cleared rather quickly, and I settled into a good pace (6:47/mi). When we turned at the halfway point, we got caught up in the back end of the 8K crowd who had run to a further turnaround point. So much of mile 2 was weaving through that crowd. Another guy and I kind of teamed together as we ran up the grass slopes, around park benches, and through the crowds. The last mile was then back to normal, and I finished very strong. Miles two and three were 7:02 and 7:03, and the last stretch was at a 6:33 pace. I still want to get my 5K times down further, but I haven't been too focused since the marathons, and the heat has some effect. Still, a strong and steady race ...with hardware!

 
Nice job, tri! :lol: @ stupid hookers. Were they at least hot?
:goodposting: I about spit water at the stupid hookers line.Nice job tri...you people running mile pace faster than my speed drills kill me...:)Glad my competitive nature is only against myself right now and not some of you.
 
Bastille Day 5K Race Report

I still want to get my 5K times down further, but I haven't been too focused since the marathons, and the heat has some effect. Still, a strong and steady race ...with hardware!
Awesome job, GB. :hifive: I would submit if you want to get your 5k times down you change your pacing strategy. You left a lot on the table if you were able to finish like that. The 6:33 mile should have been your first, IMO.

 
Bastille Day 5K Race Report

I still want to get my 5K times down further, but I haven't been too focused since the marathons, and the heat has some effect. Still, a strong and steady race ...with hardware!
Awesome job, GB. :hifive: I would submit if you want to get your 5k times down you change your pacing strategy. You left a lot on the table if you were able to finish like that. The 6:33 mile should have been your first, IMO.
Maybe you're right, though I do like to hold a rather steady pace. I just need to keep training hard (1/2 mile and mile repeats), and race boldly, whether that's the first mile and hang on, or after I cross the halfway point. The last half-mile came and went surprisingly quickly last night, and that indicates I had a bit left in the tank.A few of the "hookers" looked pretty nice. You can't argue with black mesh. But I have to downgrade Roadkill a notch or two - her extra coat of gravel was unbecoming.

 
Bastille Day 5K Race Report

I still want to get my 5K times down further, but I haven't been too focused since the marathons, and the heat has some effect. Still, a strong and steady race ...with hardware!
Awesome job, GB. :hifive: I would submit if you want to get your 5k times down you change your pacing strategy. You left a lot on the table if you were able to finish like that. The 6:33 mile should have been your first, IMO.
Yeah, I think 5Ks are pretty much the opposite of marathons. Go out fast, and see how long you can hold on.
 
Bastille Day 5K Race Report

Another podium! 21:39 (6:59/mi) - 2nd of 33 in 55-59 age group, 76 of 1,477 overall.

This was an evening event in the city. It also featured a new 8K race, which took off fifteen minutes before the 5K. That became a bit of an issue during the race. One funny thing at the start of the 8K: Several young ladies came to cheer dressed as french dancing girls/hookers. They were 30 yards in front of the field when the gun sounded, so they ran a few steps and then split to either side. One girl decided to be on the other side, and ran back into the course - only to get crushed to the ground by the front of the field. Stupid hookers ...
Nice race, but the lack of pics in your report forces me to make a 1.5 point deduction.Edit: I tend to agreee with what everybody else said about pacing. At least for me, my best 5Ks have all had mild positive splits.

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Got in 13.1 on the treadmill this morning. This is the first long run I've done indoors in quite a while, but the combination of heat/humidity and the fact that Trading Places was on AMC made the TM preferable to the sidewalk. This gets me to 40 for the week -- my first 40 since my last marathon cycle.

 
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Bastille Day 5K Race Report

Another podium! 21:39 (6:59/mi) - 2nd of 33 in 55-59 age group, 76 of 1,477 overall.

This was an evening event in the city. It also featured a new 8K race, which took off fifteen minutes before the 5K. That became a bit of an issue during the race. One funny thing at the start of the 8K: Several young ladies came to cheer dressed as french dancing girls/hookers. They were 30 yards in front of the field when the gun sounded, so they ran a few steps and then split to either side. One girl decided to be on the other side, and ran back into the course - only to get crushed to the ground by the front of the field. Stupid hookers ...
Nice race, but the lack of pics in your report forces me to make a 1.5 point deduction.Edit: I tend to agreee with what everybody else said about pacing. At least for me, my best 5Ks have all had mild positive splits.
:goodposting: 0-0.5: Woohoo I'm flyin' this is fun! :excited:

0.5-1: OK this might be a little too fast. :unsure:

1-2: Alright this hurts. Don't fade...Don't fade. :football:

2-3.1: Ugh this ####### hurts! Don't let that 14yr old out sprint me. :rant: :X

 
Tuesday I did 4 mile intervals, finished in 40:52.

Thursday 4 mile tempo, started at 6mph finished at 7.5 in 38:17.

Both runs done on a treadmill. Tomorrow I am scheduled for another 9 mile treadmill run.

I think having complete control of the speed is really helping me. As much as I dislike running on treadmills I feel like I am getting faster every week.

 
Tuesday I did 4 mile intervals, finished in 40:52.Thursday 4 mile tempo, started at 6mph finished at 7.5 in 38:17.Both runs done on a treadmill. Tomorrow I am scheduled for another 9 mile treadmill run. I think having complete control of the speed is really helping me. As much as I dislike running on treadmills I feel like I am getting faster every week.
I think you are, as well. Gotta get ready for the Bourbon, you know!
 
Tuesday I did 4 mile intervals, finished in 40:52.Thursday 4 mile tempo, started at 6mph finished at 7.5 in 38:17.Both runs done on a treadmill. Tomorrow I am scheduled for another 9 mile treadmill run. I think having complete control of the speed is really helping me. As much as I dislike running on treadmills I feel like I am getting faster every week.
I think you are, as well. Gotta get ready for the Bourbon, you know!
That's the only thing on my running schedule.
 
Had my massage this afternoon and loved it. She also specialized in MAT (Muscle Activation Technique). After asking what my aches and pains were, she went thru a few tests with my legs. On one of the lateral type tests on my right leg, I could barely keep her from pushing my leg over. She proceeded to do some localized massaging along my spine and then immediately retested me. I was suddenly rock solid on the same test that I couldnt stop her from pushing my leg just minutes before. :eek: I was floored. A few more localized hip massages and I had absolutely zero pain in my right hip.

The rest of the session was a deep tissue massage focused on my legs. My right leg and both calves area mess. My calves were so painful that I broke into a sweat and had to tell her the left calf was too much. :bag: after it was done I felt worlds better, but still am a tad sore. I'm going to take it easy this weekend and play it by ear. I'm tentatively going back to see her again next week.

Thanks grue!

 
Been slowing ramping up my running program.

If you check the Weight Loss Thread, I've gone from 315 pounds to 182 pounds over the past 18 months through diet and exercise.

Anyway, I finished couch to 5K program and I'm still stuck at about an 11 minute mile unfortunately.

Would like to start with getting my 5K time to 22-23 minutes and eventually build up to a half marathon and hopefully the Boston Marathon. (I did run cross country in high school - 10 years ago - and averaged around 21:00-21:30 on a 5k cross country trail) so I know my goal is attainable

I set myself up a program to get there in an excel sheet and would love someone to take a look and let me know if my goals are too lofty or too easy. PM me your email address if willing to take a look. I can repay you by sending you some music if you'd like.

Thanks!

ETA: It's a very straight forward spreadsheet.

Just lists the date, the amount of miles I'd like to run that day and my goal time to complete those miles in.

 
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Tuesday I did 4 mile intervals, finished in 40:52.Thursday 4 mile tempo, started at 6mph finished at 7.5 in 38:17.Both runs done on a treadmill. Tomorrow I am scheduled for another 9 mile treadmill run. I think having complete control of the speed is really helping me. As much as I dislike running on treadmills I feel like I am getting faster every week.
I think you are, as well. Gotta get ready for the Bourbon, you know!
That's the only thing on my running schedule.
Cool. I managed a 5 mile run today in 100-105 heat index averaging 8:11 per mile and felt pretty good doing it. My mileage has stunk lately due to a small injury and the oppressive heat, so this was a good result.Also finally found the pool today. In the drag shorts still managed 1:11 100yd and 2:37 200yd tempo efforts. Top end speed is still there. Need to bump these workouts up a bit leading into August (1 sprint and 2 Olympics coming up).
 
Been slowing ramping up my running program.If you check the Weight Loss Thread, I've gone from 315 pounds to 182 pounds over the past 18 months through diet and exercise. Anyway, I finished couch to 5K program and I'm still stuck at about an 11 minute mile unfortunately.Would like to start with getting my 5K time to 22-23 minutes and eventually build up to a half marathon and hopefully the Boston Marathon. (I did run cross country in high school - 10 years ago - and averaged around 21:00-21:30 on a 5k cross country trail) so I know my goal is attainableI set myself up a program to get there in an excel sheet and would love someone to take a look and let me know if my goals are too lofty or too easy. PM me your email address if willing to take a look. I can repay you by sending you some music if you'd like.Thanks!ETA: It's a very straight forward spreadsheet.Just lists the date, the amount of miles I'd like to run that day and my goal time to complete those miles in.
Dude, seriously. 130 lbs down? HFS! That is absolutely amazing.As far as the pace don't worry about it. It will come. Your body will remember. Just run. I don't think you need time goals for any run. I set a HM PR in February with almost no tempo efforts and zero speedwork sessions. Just volume.
 
Been slowing ramping up my running program.If you check the Weight Loss Thread, I've gone from 315 pounds to 182 pounds over the past 18 months through diet and exercise. Anyway, I finished couch to 5K program and I'm still stuck at about an 11 minute mile unfortunately.Would like to start with getting my 5K time to 22-23 minutes and eventually build up to a half marathon and hopefully the Boston Marathon. (I did run cross country in high school - 10 years ago - and averaged around 21:00-21:30 on a 5k cross country trail) so I know my goal is attainableI set myself up a program to get there in an excel sheet and would love someone to take a look and let me know if my goals are too lofty or too easy. PM me your email address if willing to take a look. I can repay you by sending you some music if you'd like.Thanks!ETA: It's a very straight forward spreadsheet.Just lists the date, the amount of miles I'd like to run that day and my goal time to complete those miles in.
Congratulations on the weight loss, I understand completely how hard it is to do that. As far as running faster goes, incorporating speed work into your training sometimes helps. But I have found the more you run the fitter and faster you get. Good luck with everything, and congratulations again.
 
Ok thanks for the good advice via email from Tri and encouragement for you folks here.

I will scrap my "goal book" as far as time goes but keep it for distance

My goal 4 weeks from today is to be running 6 days per week alternating between 3 and 1 miles every other day with a Sunday rest day. Anything wrong here?

From there, where would you increase the mileage? On the 3 mile day side or the 1 mile day side and how quickly?

Complete novice to long distance to now I have only been running 2.5-3 miles every OTHER day and that's only been for 2 weeks time.

 
Been slowing ramping up my running program.If you check the Weight Loss Thread, I've gone from 315 pounds to 182 pounds over the past 18 months through diet and exercise. Anyway, I finished couch to 5K program and I'm still stuck at about an 11 minute mile unfortunately.Would like to start with getting my 5K time to 22-23 minutes and eventually build up to a half marathon and hopefully the Boston Marathon. (I did run cross country in high school - 10 years ago - and averaged around 21:00-21:30 on a 5k cross country trail) so I know my goal is attainableI set myself up a program to get there in an excel sheet and would love someone to take a look and let me know if my goals are too lofty or too easy. PM me your email address if willing to take a look. I can repay you by sending you some music if you'd like.Thanks!ETA: It's a very straight forward spreadsheet.Just lists the date, the amount of miles I'd like to run that day and my goal time to complete those miles in.
Id like to take a look at it...just to compare it to how I started out and have been running and can give you some advice...though, most in here will be better at the advice part.Big time thumbs up on the weight loss.I started in February really watching my diet...am down about 4 lbs now and about to head out the door for a 7 mile run.
 
Ok thanks for the good advice via email from Tri and encouragement for you folks here.I will scrap my "goal book" as far as time goes but keep it for distanceMy goal 4 weeks from today is to be running 6 days per week alternating between 3 and 1 miles every other day with a Sunday rest day. Anything wrong here?From there, where would you increase the mileage? On the 3 mile day side or the 1 mile day side and how quickly?Complete novice to long distance to now I have only been running 2.5-3 miles every OTHER day and that's only been for 2 weeks time.
Increasing distance...I only run 3-4 times per week right now.I do a 4-5 mile run on Mondays. During this the middle 2 miles are usually quarter mile intervals picking up the pace for a quarter then going slow or even walking for about 2 minutes...then another faster quarter. Sometimes I do half mile repeats in that, or sometimes just some random speed and distance increases if Im outside and not on the TM. I do like the treadmill for this...track would work well too. Those are all workouts that should help build some speed.Wednesday is another 4 miler...sometimes with some tempo miles in the middle (helping you get used to keeping a pace you want).Then on Saturdays (today) I do my long run. Today is 7 miles. Ive built that up from 3 this spring (then backed off to focus on 5ks but now Im building towards a half marathon). These runs are typically at a slower pace than what your expected pace is the for the race. My race pace will be around 9:50-10 min/mile. I run these at about 10:45-11:15 per mile. Though, plenty of times I have come in quicker than that pace...not pushing for it, just felt good while running so didn't slow down all that much.But increase the distance by a half mile or so a week on the longer runs and it helps build that endurance for the distance.
 
Thanks sho -

If your long day on Saturday because you've had 2 days to rest and recover or just because you have more time?

I have noticed that when I try to run back to back days, the 2nd day is plodding and very tough - when I run every other day (as I have been for 7 weeks now), I feel a lot better when running. I'd imagine this is common? In one sense, I'd like to listen to my body here and just stick with the every other day and build on those miles but I feel like I need a soft 1 mile on the in between days to keep myself motivated and focused.

ETA: Do you do any cardio or lifting on those off days sho?

 
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'Reginald Cornsilks said:
Ok thanks for the good advice via email from Tri and encouragement for you folks here.I will scrap my "goal book" as far as time goes but keep it for distanceMy goal 4 weeks from today is to be running 6 days per week alternating between 3 and 1 miles every other day with a Sunday rest day. Anything wrong here?From there, where would you increase the mileage? On the 3 mile day side or the 1 mile day side and how quickly?Complete novice to long distance to now I have only been running 2.5-3 miles every OTHER day and that's only been for 2 weeks time.
Increasing distance...I only run 3-4 times per week right now.I do a 4-5 mile run on Mondays. During this the middle 2 miles are usually quarter mile intervals picking up the pace for a quarter then going slow or even walking for about 2 minutes...then another faster quarter. Sometimes I do half mile repeats in that, or sometimes just some random speed and distance increases if Im outside and not on the TM. I do like the treadmill for this...track would work well too. Those are all workouts that should help build some speed.Wednesday is another 4 miler...sometimes with some tempo miles in the middle (helping you get used to keeping a pace you want).Then on Saturdays (today) I do my long run. Today is 7 miles. Ive built that up from 3 this spring (then backed off to focus on 5ks but now Im building towards a half marathon). These runs are typically at a slower pace than what your expected pace is the for the race. My race pace will be around 9:50-10 min/mile. I run these at about 10:45-11:15 per mile. Though, plenty of times I have come in quicker than that pace...not pushing for it, just felt good while running so didn't slow down all that much.But increase the distance by a half mile or so a week on the longer runs and it helps build that endurance for the distance.
Former 10k thread guy here (endurance/tri-stuff). IMO, 6 runs per week 6 weeks after doing nothing is too much, too fast. I'm a big fan of 3-4 runs per week too- gives you typically a day in between to recover and do some weights, biking, swimming, sports, stretching or ice-cream eating (in my case- I've built up to 6 days/week for that :flex: ). Saturday was always my long run for me too, with pacing/speed/mileage work during the week.eta: once you've built a base (and I'll let the runner 10k thread guys tell you how long for that), IMO you start adding running days to your week.
 
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Reginald - 130 is PHENOMINAL! I'd echo what floppo said about 6 days a week. That's too much too soon. Rest is super important, especially when starting out. I'd suggest a 4 day running week for at least 3 months. Say a Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday type of schedule. I also agree that volume is king. Put the speed work on the back burner for a while. Just focus on solid mileage and only increase in baby steps with the focus being weekly increases. I really liked Hal Higdon's approach of two steps forward and one step back. Give yourself time to recover and adapt.

Welcome to the thread. Keep us updated!

 
Thanks sho -If your long day on Saturday because you've had 2 days to rest and recover or just because you have more time?I have noticed that when I try to run back to back days, the 2nd day is plodding and very tough - when I run every other day (as I have been for 7 weeks now), I feel a lot better when running. I'd imagine this is common? In one sense, I'd like to listen to my body here and just stick with the every other day and build on those miles but I feel like I need a soft 1 mile on the in between days to keep myself motivated and focused.ETA: Do you do any cardio or lifting on those off days sho?
While I am not Sho, I have been doing this for a bit. I was running 4 times a week, but went down to 3 for the summer because I cut my grass on Sunday now and that is a workout all by itself. Right now I am doing 4 mile intervals on Tuesday, 4 mile easier run on Thursday, and 9 mile long run on Saturday. Personally I do the long run on Saturday because I am off work and able to do it first thing in the morning. About 4 weeks ago I started doing lower body weight workouts on Mondays and upper body weight s on Wednesdays. My arms and upper body are so weak the muscles hurt for days, even though I barely work them. The best advice that I can give you is to listen to your body, if you feel pains or discomfort don't push it. If it continues then definitely see a doctor. Welcome to the thread Reginald, I hope all of the advice helps, and good luck. This morning I got in my 9 mile treadmill run and took almost 5 minutes off of last weeks time. This week was 1:36:15 and I only spent about a half mile over 11 m/m pace.
 
Had my massage this afternoon and loved it. She also specialized in MAT (Muscle Activation Technique). After asking what my aches and pains were, she went thru a few tests with my legs. On one of the lateral type tests on my right leg, I could barely keep her from pushing my leg over. She proceeded to do some localized massaging along my spine and then immediately retested me. I was suddenly rock solid on the same test that I couldnt stop her from pushing my leg just minutes before. :eek: I was floored. A few more localized hip massages and I had absolutely zero pain in my right hip.

The rest of the session was a deep tissue massage focused on my legs. My right leg and both calves area mess. My calves were so painful that I broke into a sweat and had to tell her the left calf was too much. :bag: after it was done I felt worlds better, but still am a tad sore. I'm going to take it easy this weekend and play it by ear. I'm tentatively going back to see her again next week.

Thanks grue!
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Reginald -- I'm late to this but I agree with what everybody else has said. Huge congrats on your weight loss, and a special thumbs-up for committing to an active lifestyle that's going to keep it off.

You're going to hit your 5K goal sooner or later. I can (barely) do a 22:xx 5K, and if you ran cross-country in high school your inner runner is quite a bit faster than mine. Besides, it's probably impossible to approach a BQ without being able to run that sort of a 5K by accident, so that will eventually come.

Given your other goals (half and full marathons), the imporatnt thing for you to do is to build up volume. This takes a while. Going from 15 mpw (say) to 35 mpw is going to take three months or so allowing for recovery weeks. It'll take a few more months for your body to get the full benefit from higher mileage, the kind that gives you the endurance you need for a marathon and especially a BQ attempt.

Like others said, doing short runs 6 days per weeks isn't a good idea. Runs of that distance don't do much for you besides keep in you in I-can-finish-a-5K shape, and you're aiming for more than that. Try 4 days per week instead, and make your runs longer. For example, something like this:

Sunday: 3 miles easy

Monday: Rest

Tuesday: 1 mile warmup, 3 miles hard, 1 mile cooldown

Wednesday: Rest

Thursday: 3 miles easy

Friday: Rest

Saturday: 6 miles easy

That's only 17 mpw, but it's way better than 3 miles every day 6 days per week. First of all, the variety in distances and intensity helps avoid burnout. Second, the different runs accomplish different training goals. You might not be ready to just hop out there and do 6 miles of continuous running tomorrow, but working a weekly long run into your schedule is the most important thing you can do right now. Obviously you'll adjust your distances as you get more comfortable, and maybe add a 5th day later on, but this is a good short-term target to shoot for.

Good luck and don't be a stranger.

 
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You guys are great - appreciate the warm reception with advice over shtick.

Definitely going to readjust and look more at every other day distance goals instead. You've all been there and know what it takes. I've already mentioned if I run on back to back days, I am dead on Day 2 so I guess the importance of the rest day are huge.

I do run 10 hill sprints per day every day of the week (a short steep hill at full sprint) but I do this mainly to keep my dog tired out and not eating my sneakers so I will continue that training as well.

I don't know how much nutrition we talk in here but I did lose all of my weight as a low-carber. I am a low-carber for life and I've heard so many things about how carbs are so necessary for long distance runners.

I have to tell you, after 12-16 months of being carb free other than vegetables and small amounts of cheese I have never had more energy in my life - I was far better equipped to EASILY get through the couch to 5K program than when I did on a low-cal diet.

I'm hoping the masses won't try to start talking me into adding carbs back in because I am healthier than I've ever been based on my physicals, I take a daily multi-vitamin and I probably eat more vegetables than most low-cal dieters do. Just thought I'd throw that out there in case someone wanted to bring up the diet aspect.

 
Thanks sho -If your long day on Saturday because you've had 2 days to rest and recover or just because you have more time?I have noticed that when I try to run back to back days, the 2nd day is plodding and very tough - when I run every other day (as I have been for 7 weeks now), I feel a lot better when running. I'd imagine this is common? In one sense, I'd like to listen to my body here and just stick with the every other day and build on those miles but I feel like I need a soft 1 mile on the in between days to keep myself motivated and focused.ETA: Do you do any cardio or lifting on those off days sho?
Long day on Saturday is mostly because I have the most time those mornings. I just can't get myself up and out of bed to do it before work and with 2 young children...I don't get started running at night til 9pm.I do lifting on Tuesdays and Thursdays and usually cross train on my bike or in the neighborhood pool on Sundays.Every now and then I do a short run on a Tuesday or Thursday...something slow and only about 2 miles along with the lifting.
 

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