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Ran a 10k in June (4 Viewers)

Grue - I knew you would go in there ready to roll with the snorkel. Is your sig with upcoming races current? Just wondering what you're starting to look at doing next. If that's your 5-mile PR, then you probably haven't run a 5-miler in a long time.
Yeah, it's current. And my 5-mile PR is actually less than a year old. It's the same race (Point Bock Run) that I'm doing again this spring. It's really the only 5-miler that I ever race, and it's usually cold and windy, and plus I'm really just not that good at the shorter stuff in the first place. :shrug: (If you guys can't tell, I'm totally not focused at work today...)

 
Sat - Unsure of our plans here...could be a busy and early day...if the timing of family things works out, and he is still doing it, may meet up with Grue and his group Saturday morning (I actually grew up in the town next to where he lives and will be up there for after Christmas)...going to try hard to work this one out as it would be nice to run with some people and actually meet someone "from the internet".
You're talking about the 31st, right? If so, I'm down if you are. Just let me know when you get everything figured out so I can plan my Friday night accordingly (i.e., not be too ridiculously sleep-deprived and hungover on Saturday morning). A couple nice hills at the end of this run, too. :)
No doubt...he is heading to Sydney...Im heading to Menasha Metrasha Wisconsin...
Fixed. ;)
Hey now...don't be getting on the mighty Blue Jays. :) Yes, the 31st. Im supposed to talk to my family tonight to hammer down plans (with mom/step-dad and dad/step-mom...plus meeting up with my sister's family it takes a bit of planning and we are doing our usual last minute style of planning). I should be good to go for 8am if that is when you all run as you said earlier. I will email you and let you know tonight or tomorrow to try and work it out for sure.

also...have not paid attention to when the Packers stadium stuff will be complete...any word on Cellcom in 2013? Will it return inside Lambeau again or still have some construction issues?

 
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Hey now...don't be getting on the mighty Blue Jays. :)

Yes, the 31st. Im supposed to talk to my family tonight to hammer down plans (with mom/step-dad and dad/step-mom...plus meeting up with my sister's family it takes a bit of planning and we are doing our usual last minute style of planning). I should be good to go for 8am if that is when you all run as you said earlier. I will email you and let you know tonight or tomorrow to try and work it out for sure.

also...have not paid attention to when the Packers stadium stuff will be complete...any word on Cellcom in 2013? Will it return inside Lambeau again or still have some construction issues?
Yeah, 8am on the 31st. I'll tentatively plan on it pending your email.And no, because of the construction in the south end zone, the course will not run through the stadium this year.

 
Hey now...don't be getting on the mighty Blue Jays. :)

Yes, the 31st. Im supposed to talk to my family tonight to hammer down plans (with mom/step-dad and dad/step-mom...plus meeting up with my sister's family it takes a bit of planning and we are doing our usual last minute style of planning). I should be good to go for 8am if that is when you all run as you said earlier. I will email you and let you know tonight or tomorrow to try and work it out for sure.

also...have not paid attention to when the Packers stadium stuff will be complete...any word on Cellcom in 2013? Will it return inside Lambeau again or still have some construction issues?
Yeah, 8am on the 31st. I'll tentatively plan on it pending your email.And no, because of the construction in the south end zone, the course will not run through the stadium this year.
I know this year...was asking about 2013.Plans are already pretty set for this spring so was wondering about a trip up there in 2013.

 
Hey now...don't be getting on the mighty Blue Jays. :)

Yes, the 31st. Im supposed to talk to my family tonight to hammer down plans (with mom/step-dad and dad/step-mom...plus meeting up with my sister's family it takes a bit of planning and we are doing our usual last minute style of planning). I should be good to go for 8am if that is when you all run as you said earlier. I will email you and let you know tonight or tomorrow to try and work it out for sure.

also...have not paid attention to when the Packers stadium stuff will be complete...any word on Cellcom in 2013? Will it return inside Lambeau again or still have some construction issues?
Yeah, 8am on the 31st. I'll tentatively plan on it pending your email.And no, because of the construction in the south end zone, the course will not run through the stadium this year.
I know this year...was asking about 2013.Plans are already pretty set for this spring so was wondering about a trip up there in 2013.
Ahhh, sorry. Yeah, I'm sure it'll be back to running through the stadium in '13. The loop inside the stadium is a huge PITA logistically, and a lot of people actually hate it, but it's an absolute must from a marketing perspective.
 
It's Christmas week. Who's really working anyway?

I have the better part of the first half of the 2012 race calendar chiseled out. I can't wait to get the ball rolling. I will probably squeeze in some 5K and 10K races here/there, but for the most part these will be my focus. I may look to add a HM tune-up if I can find one in late March.

1/15/12 - PSCI Icicle 10 miler. I had a blast at this hilly race last year. I hope the ice and snow stay away for this one so I can drop the hammer and break 1:20.

4/28/12 - Trail Dawgs Triple Crown (HM + 10K + 5K). I'm really pushing the envelope with my wife's 1 marathon/year rule, but hey 26.2 > 22.4. She will most likely be racing the 5K also, so it should be fun times. I love the comment they have - "flat and fast" except for the rocks, roots, steep hills and muddy parts. This will be my wanna be BnB race and my true 'A' race of the first half of 2012.

5/13/12 - DE Marathon 4 person relay. We're going to run as a family team. My wife, sister, brother, and myself. I'm more excited about doing this as a family than anything else. I won't be in any sort of race shape with the triple crown being 2 weeks prior, so this will be all about running this as a family. 6.55 won't be a problem even if I'm not fully recovered by that point. It's incredible how contagious this running thing has become within our family since I started this marathon stint. :thumbup:

 
'pmbrown_22 said:
8 on tap today with 4 of those being at MP pace or faster. Still have not figured that out yet, but I am going to give it a try at 7:15 and see how my body likes that.
:thumbup: Go get 'em, tiger!
Meh. My body did not like it too well. I think I actually got through 2 miles at 7:15 and the rest were right around 8:00 or a little over. I have not looked at the details, but I averaged 8:02 for the entire 8 miles. I just could not get the legs going. I am thinking that I am going to have to invest in some calf sleeves as this is what is bothering me the most now a days. I feel like I am running very tense all the time. Not sure how to combat that, but I don't feel relaxed at all. This is new to me so any suggestions are welcome.
 
It's Christmas week. Who's really working anyway?I have the better part of the first half of the 2012 race calendar chiseled out. I can't wait to get the ball rolling. I will probably squeeze in some 5K and 10K races here/there, but for the most part these will be my focus. I may look to add a HM tune-up if I can find one in late March.1/15/12 - PSCI Icicle 10 miler. I had a blast at this hilly race last year. I hope the ice and snow stay away for this one so I can drop the hammer and break 1:20.4/28/12 - Trail Dawgs Triple Crown (HM + 10K + 5K). I'm really pushing the envelope with my wife's 1 marathon/year rule, but hey 26.2 > 22.4. She will most likely be racing the 5K also, so it should be fun times. I love the comment they have - "flat and fast" except for the rocks, roots, steep hills and muddy parts. This will be my wanna be BnB race and my true 'A' race of the first half of 2012.5/13/12 - DE Marathon 4 person relay. We're going to run as a family team. My wife, sister, brother, and myself. I'm more excited about doing this as a family than anything else. I won't be in any sort of race shape with the triple crown being 2 weeks prior, so this will be all about running this as a family. 6.55 won't be a problem even if I'm not fully recovered by that point. It's incredible how contagious this running thing has become within our family since I started this marathon stint. :thumbup:
Impressive :)
 
I did a hilly 13.1 yesterday at 1:49, 3.5 mins off my PR and I wasn't pushing. Feeling real good about a new PR on a fast course in 5 weeks. Focusing on negative splits and not overtraining.

 
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I'm definitely in a funk as I don't have any races that I am registered for. Any race recommendations for January - April in the northeast?

I've never run in the winter so I'm going to try to at least keep in some semblance of shape.

I struggled through 7.25 miles at 9:08/mile pace. Normally, that should be easy but it was just a grind. I'm losing my endurance and now need to get pumped up to run more.

I'll run a tougher run on Tuesday. I'm thinking of potentially making that into a speed workout to wake up my legs.

I'll get back to more running starting Friday as I'll have some free time due to the holidays.

 
It's Christmas week. Who's really working anyway?I have the better part of the first half of the 2012 race calendar chiseled out. I can't wait to get the ball rolling. I will probably squeeze in some 5K and 10K races here/there, but for the most part these will be my focus. I may look to add a HM tune-up if I can find one in late March.1/15/12 - PSCI Icicle 10 miler. I had a blast at this hilly race last year. I hope the ice and snow stay away for this one so I can drop the hammer and break 1:20.4/28/12 - Trail Dawgs Triple Crown (HM + 10K + 5K). I'm really pushing the envelope with my wife's 1 marathon/year rule, but hey 26.2 > 22.4. She will most likely be racing the 5K also, so it should be fun times. I love the comment they have - "flat and fast" except for the rocks, roots, steep hills and muddy parts. This will be my wanna be BnB race and my true 'A' race of the first half of 2012.5/13/12 - DE Marathon 4 person relay. We're going to run as a family team. My wife, sister, brother, and myself. I'm more excited about doing this as a family than anything else. I won't be in any sort of race shape with the triple crown being 2 weeks prior, so this will be all about running this as a family. 6.55 won't be a problem even if I'm not fully recovered by that point. It's incredible how contagious this running thing has become within our family since I started this marathon stint. :thumbup:
Will your marathon be Philadelphia again? Or will your 2012 marathon be different?
 
pmb - I'll let coach/zenmaster triman answer the form questions, but I can definitely suggest compression sleeves for calves recovery. Every time I've had an issue with my calves and/or soleus, I've been able to cure them with the compression sleeves. I wear them for a few hours immediately after a run and usually see the pain subside within a few days-week. I love those things.

17seconds - That's great that you can knock out 13.1 so close to your PR without trying. Hopefully mother nature is kind to you in 5 weeks!

Steel - I'd actually be careful with trying to force your body to wake up. You might do yourself more harm than good. I'd probably go the opposite route and get a week or two of recovery type runs before trying to press any sort of tempo/speed work.

RE: 2012 marathon - I'm 90% sure I'll be doing Philly again. I mainly want to stick with fall marathons so I can train in the summer heat and race in the cooler weather. I'd be open to trying other races, but right now I'll probably stick with Philly. I'll see how the first half of the year goes before committing to a specific marathon next fall.

How about you? Start planning so you can snap out of this funk!

 
I finally got snapped out of this semi-trance shortly before the downhill when two more people came up to pass me. From my left came a woman, surprisingly largish for her speed (or maybe surprisingly fast for her size), wearing an ironically ugly Christmas sweater. At this point, I was so winded that instead of angrily thinking “I can’t believe I’m going to get passed by a surprisingly largish woman racing in a Christmas sweater,” and trying to hold her off, I initially thought, “Good for you, largish sweater-wearing woman.” But then from my right came her nebbishy guy friend and I was a little irritated that they were crowding me so tightly on either side with an entire open trail around us. It felt like they were getting up in my stuff a little too much. And to top it off, she was wearing an elf hat with a jingle bell at the end of it that tinkled with her every stride. It was so annoying.
:lmao: :lmao: I can't read this without the Jack Handey voice popping into my head.

 
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In a perfect world, I'd like this to be my target triathlon for the year: Elkhart Lake - Olympic Event. It's relatively close to home, and the swim is a time trial start, which has a lot of appeal to me. That being said, the idea of swimming 1500M (without drowning) scares the bejesus out of me. Seriously, the equivalent of 30 laps?! :shock:

I've got a lot of work to do, and I'd obviously do a couple of sprint events beforehand, but time will tell...

 
In a perfect world, I'd like this to be my target triathlon for the year: Elkhart Lake - Olympic Event. It's relatively close to home, and the swim is a time trial start, which has a lot of appeal to me. That being said, the idea of swimming 1500M (without drowning) scares the bejesus out of me. Seriously, the equivalent of 30 laps?! :shock:

I've got a lot of work to do, and I'd obviously do a couple of sprint events beforehand, but time will tell...
Hey at least it's in a lake! You should see the otherwise fit people out here who fail in ocean swims. If the waves are rough they can't even get out past the current. It's like Cast Away. Talk about disappointing.
 
Great stuff in here!

The_Man: Awesome race and :lmao: at your report.

17seconds: :yawn: :thumbup:

Sho: Love that you are also a Cheddarhead!

Ned: Nice looking schedule!

Grue: Great week of work! You are fully back at it.

PMB: All the cool kids have calf sleeves. I highly recommend them.

Tri: have a great trip! Can't wait to hear workout stories.

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My update:

I'm taking a SDO today, after 6 straight workouts. Pre being a non-runner, that would have been 2 weeks worth of workouts. I got in a hard 26 on Saturday at 21.0 MPH, then ended up chasing fun Saturday until almost sunrise. It was a good chase, but I did not fully succeed. The bigger problem was remembering where I parked my car. After taking a 3 hours nap, and likely still drunk, I went for a slow and short ride to clear my system and to punish myself for being stoopid. I got in 17 miles at 19.0 MPH = my first ride slower than 20.0 in over two months. I purped at least a dozen times, and could feel my head throbbing with each turn of the crank. Today I have fully lost my voice, though I do now have my car. Pretty fair trade.

 
My update:I'm taking a SDO today, after 6 straight workouts. Pre being a non-runner, that would have been 2 weeks worth of workouts. I got in a hard 26 on Saturday at 21.0 MPH, then ended up chasing fun Saturday until almost sunrise. It was a good chase, but I did not fully succeed. The bigger problem was remembering where I parked my car. After taking a 3 hours nap, and likely still drunk, I went for a slow and short ride to clear my system and to punish myself for being stoopid. I got in 17 miles at 19.0 MPH = my first ride slower than 20.0 in over two months. I purped at least a dozen times, and could feel my head throbbing with each turn of the crank. Today I have fully lost my voice, though I do now have my car. Pretty fair trade.
:lmao: :thumbup:
 
In a perfect world, I'd like this to be my target triathlon for the year: Elkhart Lake - Olympic Event. It's relatively close to home, and the swim is a time trial start, which has a lot of appeal to me. That being said, the idea of swimming 1500M (without drowning) scares the bejesus out of me. Seriously, the equivalent of 30 laps?! :shock:

I've got a lot of work to do, and I'd obviously do a couple of sprint events beforehand, but time will tell...
Time trial start, wetsuit legal and the lake is nearby so you can, possibly, do some training OWS there to get a feel for the lake. Sounds perfect. Note at the right of the sign up that they host swim and transition clinics too. If these are held at the same lake even better.
 
In a perfect world, I'd like this to be my target triathlon for the year: Elkhart Lake - Olympic Event. It's relatively close to home, and the swim is a time trial start, which has a lot of appeal to me. That being said, the idea of swimming 1500M (without drowning) scares the bejesus out of me. Seriously, the equivalent of 30 laps?! :shock:

I've got a lot of work to do, and I'd obviously do a couple of sprint events beforehand, but time will tell...
Time trial start, wetsuit legal and the lake is nearby so you can, possibly, do some training OWS there to get a feel for the lake. Sounds perfect. Note at the right of the sign up that they host swim and transition clinics too. If these are held at the same lake even better.
More like 35 laps. :o Swimming with a wetsuit on is a big help, though.
 
If we're going to get your pace down in the year ahead, we need to get you to extend the reach and cadence of your stride. Repeats up an incline (forcing you onto the balls of your feet and lifting the upper leg) and/or some faster-paced intervals would help. I think some focused training along those lines, even once a week, would yield nice dividends.
What does this mean?I am open to any suggestions to improve my pace. I love to run but I do feel discouraged that I cant seem to improve my pace. I am obviously doing something wrong.
If you can't get your pace below that 10 min/mile, I have to presume it's either the fact that you aren't getting much rotation in the hips/upper legs - and therefore not getting much reach (so a short stride) - or you're cadence/pace is slow. One way to improve the stride and engage the hips more actively would be to do some hill repeats. They don't have to be steep or long, but after a warm-up, just work the hill - 'bounce' up on the balls of your feet. Stop, jog down slowly, repeat a number of times. It is good to run down hard a few times as well. To speed up the cadence/pace, target some workouts where you just run faster with intervals. You don't even need to worry about timing them. Just run a short stretch and concentrate on a quick, light step. Rest a minute, and repeat, etc. You've come very far these past two years! And you know, now, that you can run some solid distances. As you get beyond the marathon and the pressure to rack up miles, this would be a good time to add some of this variety to the training and see if your times start to come down.
I absolutely have a short stride. I do that to keep my HR where I want. I am thinking of ditching the HR routine. Thanks for the advice.
 
'BassNBrew said:
Big training weekend for me...Sat - 4.25 hr road run, 24 miles on the Blue Ridge Parkway. Forgot to chek the numbers, but probably 3000+ ft climbing.Sun - 2.5 hr trail run/hike, 10 mi on Mountain to Sea trail. 2000 ft of climbing. pace was slow in the 15 min/mi range. I was sore from yesterday's run and much of it was so steep that it was more like a hike. Thought I would make up time on the way back, but the descent was so technical I didn't gain much time back.Both runs may have been longer in reality with gps issues with tunnels, cliffs, and thick mt laurel. Mileage really isn't the goal, time on the feet is.
Damn that is a lot of miles. :shock:
 
'Ned said:
Had a pretty solid week this week. I'm siked to be fully recovered from the marathon.

Tues - 5mi recovery. Relaxing run, but would've like to gone slower for this recovery. 9:32/146

Wed - 7mi w/ 3 tempo. Been anxious to get some speed work in. I Sanded TM the hell out of the first mile (7:14), and dialed it back for last 2. Avg for tempo miles was 7:31/179

Thurs - 5mi recovery. Legs were sore from Wed's tempo. Felt like I had lead weights in my shoes. 9:35/149

Sat - Blew off a 5mi recovery run. Just too busy with kids and didn't want to press the issue.

Sun - 12 mi MLR. Felt so good that I decided to open it up for the last 2 miles to see how much I had left. Wow, I had a ton left! First 10mi avg was 9:34/152. Last two were fast... 8:17/171 and 7:56/177. I'm shocked I had that much in me and still had more to go.
Fantastic
 
'jb1020 said:
Pros, I take my dog from time to time. Shes not the most obedient thing in the world, but after a mile or so she settles down and pretty much goes in stride with me. I've never taken her out for more than 4 miles though. She slows down quick. I 4 miler sets her back about 2-3 days too. I wish I did it more often. I find she does best if I run on the asphalt and she goes in the 18 inch gutter/curb. She tends to keep it on a straight line. ______________________________Alright, I'm all about the slowed down running now. I went out for 9 on Saturday morning. The McMillin Pace calculator said I should be long runs at 10:11-11:11. I went out aiming for a 10:30 pace. I couldn't wrap my mind around it thru the first mile and ended up at 9:58. I really made an effort after that and was able to slow it down. I finished the run overall at 10:25. AVG HR 141. It would have been closer to 10:30 but the last mile I ran into a neighbor of mine I hardly knew (he recognized me) and we ran the last mile together @ 9:58.That is easily the lowest I've kept my HR at any distance. Its usually at 150 or so within the first mile. Unless I was on a hill my HR was usually in the 130's. No soreness the next day, and to be honest I hardly felt winded after the run. 35 miles slated for this week, that's definitely the most I've ever tackled in a week.
There is just no way I can keep my HR at 141 for 10:25. I have blamed the heat in the past but I cant do it in cooler temps either. I just dont understand it. :confused:
 
Pretty good week for me last week, too. Most importantly, I made three trips to the pool, and I appear to have mastered the stupid swim snorkel, so I should at least be able to participate in the drills at class tonight. Did 40+ lengths with the snorkel on Saturday/Sunday just working on my kicking, and no water in the nose. All good.Week in review:M: 15 @7:46/mileT: 5 @8:22 (lunch), 6 @8:12 (eve)W: Yoga, poolT: Yoga F: 8 @8:12 (am), 5 @8:29 (aft)S: Pool, 9.2 @7:45S: 6.2 @7:45, poolTotal: 54.4 miles running, 2 hours of yoga, and 3 trips to the pool
I suspect you will be kicking ### in the pool soon. :popcorn:
 
BnB - that's some serious training, particularly with the elevation/technical aspects. Impressive and, as Ned says, very cool.

Other mortals - nice training! jb - good you could take it easy and keep the HR low!

I added another 10 miler on Sunday to finish at 40 miles for the week. This week will be light, then I head to Sydney for two weeks to see my daughter. The weather there is 60s at night, up to high 70s during the day ...I hope to make it two pretty hard training weeks while exploring the city.
Sydney??? Have fun!!! :banned:
 
So that did it for me – no way was I going to be subjected to watching her oversized hindquarters and hearing her jingle bell all the way to the end of the race. Right as they were about to get a full stride clear of me and come back together, I accelerated right between the two of them, and then I just took off sprinting.
:lmao:Way to go man!!!!!!!
 
In a perfect world, I'd like this to be my target triathlon for the year: Elkhart Lake - Olympic Event. It's relatively close to home, and the swim is a time trial start, which has a lot of appeal to me. That being said, the idea of swimming 1500M (without drowning) scares the bejesus out of me. Seriously, the equivalent of 30 laps?! :shock:

I've got a lot of work to do, and I'd obviously do a couple of sprint events beforehand, but time will tell...
Time trial start, wetsuit legal and the lake is nearby so you can, possibly, do some training OWS there to get a feel for the lake. Sounds perfect. Note at the right of the sign up that they host swim and transition clinics too. If these are held at the same lake even better.
Yeah, they actually prohibit motor-driven boats on that particular lake on Sundays from June-September, so a lot of local triathletes head over there for OWS practice.
 
So I relied on the one thing I did have – the brute animal endurance and mindless determination of a marathoner.
:football:
From my left came a woman, surprisingly largish for her speed (or maybe surprisingly fast for her size), wearing an ironically ugly Christmas sweater. At this point, I was so winded that instead of angrily thinking “I can’t believe I’m going to get passed by a surprisingly largish woman racing in a Christmas sweater,” and trying to hold her off, I initially thought, “Good for you, largish sweater-wearing woman.” But then from my right came her nebbishy guy friend and I was a little irritated that they were crowding me so tightly on either side with an entire open trail around us. It felt like they were getting up in my stuff a little too much. And to top it off, she was wearing an elf hat with a jingle bell at the end of it that tinkled with her every stride. It was so annoying.So that did it for me – no way was I going to be subjected to watching her oversized hindquarters and hearing her jingle bell all the way to the end of the race.
Love this part. :lmao: Great race, and good, strong finish.
:goodposting: !!
 
Used to lurk in this thread and posted a couple of times. I haven't been back in awhile but enjoy reading about what random people who share my interest are accomplishing.

I've run regularly for 6+ years, generally 30-50 miles per week. While running Saturday I noticed a shooting pain around the ankle area on the back of my left foot (likely achilles tendon). It wasn't brutal but was uncomfortable. Yesterday I was a bit sore. This morning it was better, but in the afternoon the occasional sharp pains started and have been off and on. Haven't run since Saturday. The pain is manageable, certainly not excruciating, but I have been reading online and assume I have a partial rupture of the tendon. Has anydoby had this before and, if so, what did you do? If this continues for a couple of more days, I'm probably going to need to see someone.

 
Yeah, maybe give it another day or two...then see someone.

6 miles for me last night

9:50

9:31

9:23

9:14

9:05

8:57

All on the TM which I hated last night...but had to do it. At least I got to watch a pretty boring MNF game.

 
Easy 5-miler yesterday afternoon, followed up by swim clinic last night, and then up bright and early (4:40 am) for an 8-miler with a buddy this morning.

No problems with the snorkel at swim clinic, which was nice, as I was actually able to participate in the drills. Worked a lot on the recovery and the kick last night, but it's clear that I have a LOT of work to do. The recovery feels totally unnatural to me, but since it's a motion that really doesn't get used anywhere else in life, I guess that makes sense. No class the next two weeks, so I really just need to get to the pool and practice. Had to sit out the last 15 minutes of class after both calves cramped up on me. Oh, well. It was nice just being out there and participating this time. Felt a lot more comfortable out there.

Gonna be nice having a night with no workout for a change....

 
Used to lurk in this thread and posted a couple of times. I haven't been back in awhile but enjoy reading about what random people who share my interest are accomplishing.I've run regularly for 6+ years, generally 30-50 miles per week. While running Saturday I noticed a shooting pain around the ankle area on the back of my left foot (likely achilles tendon). It wasn't brutal but was uncomfortable. Yesterday I was a bit sore. This morning it was better, but in the afternoon the occasional sharp pains started and have been off and on. Haven't run since Saturday. The pain is manageable, certainly not excruciating, but I have been reading online and assume I have a partial rupture of the tendon. Has anydoby had this before and, if so, what did you do? If this continues for a couple of more days, I'm probably going to need to see someone.
I kinda doubt you ruptured it, but then again, I'm not a doctor. Stretch your calf, ice the AT, and if it doesn't feel better in a few days, go see a sports med doc.
 
In a perfect world, I'd like this to be my target triathlon for the year: Elkhart Lake - Olympic Event. It's relatively close to home, and the swim is a time trial start, which has a lot of appeal to me. That being said, the idea of swimming 1500M (without drowning) scares the bejesus out of me. Seriously, the equivalent of 30 laps?! :shock:

I've got a lot of work to do, and I'd obviously do a couple of sprint events beforehand, but time will tell...
Gru, if possible you should really look for a 1/2 iron distance. The swim jumps from .93 mi to 1.2 mi, but the run goes from 6.2 mi to 13.1 mi which will give you a lot more time in your wheelhouse. The typical competitor will be hanging on for dear life and you'll asking where the real race is after finishing your 10k warm up.Just kicking around some typical clydesdale numbers, you'll lose 15 min during the swim on the oly distance, 20 on the half to the best swimmer. On the run you'll gain about 9 min back on the oly and 18 min+ on the half. I think you're a podium contender in the 1/2 distance.

 
There is just no way I can keep my HR at 141 for 10:25. I have blamed the heat in the past but I cant do it in cooler temps either. I just dont understand it. :confused:
prosopis - I'd say it gets back to the shorter stride. To run faster or to lengthen the stride works the muscles harder, which creates the need for more oxygen to fuel the muscles, which raises the HR. That gets back to the suggestion to do some specific training - use some workouts to build the legs and get the muscles acclimated to more effort. I'd mentioned hills and intervals, but let me add my old standby of lunges, which will get your hips involved and definitely work the butt muscles (you'll :finger: me a day after the first lunge workout :thumbup: ). Commit to several weeks of specialized training mixed in with some easy runs. My bet is you'll find some improved speed in all of that!
 
There is just no way I can keep my HR at 141 for 10:25. I have blamed the heat in the past but I cant do it in cooler temps either. I just dont understand it. :confused:
prosopis - I'd say it gets back to the shorter stride. To run faster or to lengthen the stride works the muscles harder, which creates the need for more oxygen to fuel the muscles, which raises the HR. That gets back to the suggestion to do some specific training - use some workouts to build the legs and get the muscles acclimated to more effort. I'd mentioned hills and intervals, but let me add my old standby of lunges, which will get your hips involved and definitely work the butt muscles (you'll :finger: me a day after the first lunge workout :thumbup: ). Commit to several weeks of specialized training mixed in with some easy runs. My bet is you'll find some improved speed in all of that!
I have no advice for you pros, its all still too new to me. I slowed down, my HR went down. Looking back at most of my workouts I used to average a HR of 160ish. Now since slowing down I've had 3 straight workouts of 140 or 141.I got in 7 this morning @ 10:33 HR 141. I still feel like its slow, but I can tell I'm not nearly as sluggish as I used to be. There's no way I could get in 30+ miles a week pushing it every day.

Last Higdon plan question (hopefully)

Lets say Mon-Wed I have runs of 4,7 and 4. Do those all need to be slow/easy runs or should one be a tempo run? The plan is fairly vague. It just says "4 M run" as opposed to the Pace run or the Long Run.

Thanks

 
Seems that everyone except me is doing well. I haven't felt right for the last week or so. I've been trying to push through aches and pains to ramp up my mileage consistently. I keep telling myself my primary goal is simply to keep running so that I can stay healthy, getting faster is secondary. But I still lose sight of that.

 
jb - Those "runs" in Higdon's world are recovery type runs. So your 4 milers should be in that 140ish range. The pace runs should be your targeted 10:00 pacing. Hopefully, that pace would fall in the mid 150s (you're max was 196, right?) Which of his plans are you following? Novice 2, I think...

sports_fan - How quickly have you been ramping up your mileage? Those aches/pains may be your body's way of hinting that you're piling on too much too soon. General rule of thumb is +10% weekly mileage. I'm also a fan of doing 2-3 week increase with the 4th week being a step back/recovery week. I totally agree with you on the speed being secondary. Get that aerobic endurance up first. Then work on the speed. :thumbup:

 
Never saw the 305 before. Jesus that thing is huge. Does your left arm get bigger than your right after weeks of running?

405CX looks pretty good and is cheaper on Amazon.
I don't ever notice the size of it or that it is there most of the time.
The 305 is $139.99 on Amazon right now. Best bang for the buck, IMO.
That's without a heart rate monitor. With one it is $173.49. The 405CX with a heart rate monitor is $159.99, so it's actually cheaper.Do you use a HRM?
Looks like it's $8 cheaper on Amazon to buy the HRM separately. Likely will do the $139.99 then look into adding the HRM if I need it later.
Ned- I ended up getting the $139.99 Forerunner 305 you linked and it did have the HRM! Just got it last night and I'm about to head out on a 3x1600 workout. This thing is so cool - already put all my custom workouts in there for the rest of the week.
 
Seems that everyone except me is doing well. I haven't felt right for the last week or so. I've been trying to push through aches and pains to ramp up my mileage consistently. I keep telling myself my primary goal is simply to keep running so that I can stay healthy, getting faster is secondary. But I still lose sight of that.
Don't kill yourself every day. You should only have a couple of hard workouts a week, the rest should be comfortable where you break a sweat but don't get too sore.Good luck!
 
Seems that everyone except me is doing well. I haven't felt right for the last week or so. I've been trying to push through aches and pains to ramp up my mileage consistently. I keep telling myself my primary goal is simply to keep running so that I can stay healthy, getting faster is secondary. But I still lose sight of that.
Usually when somebody says that they're trying to "ramp up" their mileage despite "aches and pains," it means that they're trying to do too much too soon. Like others have said, you want to stick to something like the 10% rule. Also, you should drop probably make every third week or so an easy week -- like 2/3 your previous week's mileage or something like that -- to give yourself a chance to recover. Monotonously increasing your mileage week after week often leads to injury.
 
Never saw the 305 before. Jesus that thing is huge. Does your left arm get bigger than your right after weeks of running?

405CX looks pretty good and is cheaper on Amazon.
I don't ever notice the size of it or that it is there most of the time.
The 305 is $139.99 on Amazon right now. Best bang for the buck, IMO.
That's without a heart rate monitor. With one it is $173.49. The 405CX with a heart rate monitor is $159.99, so it's actually cheaper.Do you use a HRM?
Looks like it's $8 cheaper on Amazon to buy the HRM separately. Likely will do the $139.99 then look into adding the HRM if I need it later.
Ned- I ended up getting the $139.99 Forerunner 305 you linked and it did have the HRM! Just got it last night and I'm about to head out on a 3x1600 workout. This thing is so cool - already put all my custom workouts in there for the rest of the week.
:hifive: O/U on glances at watch per mile - 9

 
jb - Those "runs" in Higdon's world are recovery type runs. So your 4 milers should be in that 140ish range. The pace runs should be your targeted 10:00 pacing. Hopefully, that pace would fall in the mid 150s (you're max was 196, right?) Which of his plans are you following? Novice 2, I think...
I bumped it up to intermediate 1 :football: I guess I should bump my long runs to 10:45

The 3 mid week runs to around 10:25

and the Pace run at 9:55-10.

I just wanted to make sure those generic runs we're supposed to be tempo runs or anything.

Carry on.

 
I slowed down, my HR went down. Looking back at most of my workouts I used to average a HR of 160ish. Now since slowing down I've had 3 straight workouts of 140 or 141.
Nice to hear! As the weeks go on, you should see improvement ..the HR getting even lower, or the ability to hold a faster pace at that HR. My HR was in the low/mid 140's during the heart (no pun intended) of my marathon training last winter (my HR max in shorter races was 190ish).
 
Ned, 17seconds, and IvanKaramazov, thanks for the feedback. I've been careful not to add too much mileage at once, but I've been adding a couple of miles each week as often as possible. Even when I hold back my pace I've been feeling completely burnt out at the end of each run lately. Should I try to maintain my weekly mileage and work through it or cut back?

 
Ned, 17seconds, and IvanKaramazov, thanks for the feedback. I've been careful not to add too much mileage at once, but I've been adding a couple of miles each week as often as possible. Even when I hold back my pace I've been feeling completely burnt out at the end of each run lately. Should I try to maintain my weekly mileage and work through it or cut back?
You're body is asking for a break, IMO. Scale back the mileage for a week. Also focusing on getting good sleep and staying hydrated goes a long way. Also might look into getting a deep tissue massage. They can be down right magical.
 
Not sure what I was thinking or accomplished tonite.

9 miles @ 9:29 pace. Bounced between zone 2 and 3 with portions in zone 4. I think all of the miles were within +/- 5 secs of the pace except for one 9:50 and one 9:10 mile. Really didn't feel like running and the legs were sore. Fortunately a 9 miler feels like what a 3 mile run used to. Should have run this slower, but I wanted to get it done. Way overdressed for the occasion and the humidity had to be near 100% with mist in the air.

 

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