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Ran a 10k in June (2 Viewers)

What do you guys eat before/day of a race/long run?
Note that the big meal that fuels your race/run is the night and a half before (Friday night for a Sunday event). Don't eat big the night before - that food won't be digested fully and will only cause problems. Why race events have a 'carbo-load' dinner the night before a race confuses me. The night before, eat familiar foods that will help you be 'regular' on the morning of the race/run. Like the other guys, I'll eat something light race morning - PB toast, or maybe a bit of oatmeal (with almond milk, which is non-dairy). I'll often have a gel shortly before the start.--Lousy run yesterday with a couple sluggish 800m repeats. Much better today over 9 miles: 16 hard repeats on an incline, then on the way home a hard 1 1/2 miles at 6:51/mile and 170 HR. I really wanted to get the HR up into race mode ...need to do some more of that before the HM in two weeks so that my mind remembers the feel of race effort.
 
You're in totally different shape than you were last year.
Oh contraire2013 Alston-Bird Corporate Cup 5k & 1/2 Marathon

Perfect day for a race, weather was absolutely awesome, about 35 at the start, mid 40's at the finish. About 2500 runners, 5k & 1/2 both starting together @ 8am. Not a fan of that but it's over with after 3 miles. The race itself was really cool, volunteers were great, the course rocked and I ended up with a new PR by 36 tenths of a second :lmao: Very similar course to last Novembers half and after 13.1 miles I improved from 2:03:36 to 2:03:00. Couldn't do that again if I tried.

These half's in Charlotte are quickly becoming my white whale. Done worrying about it and moving on. It's a great challenge and I enjoy running them so I'll keep doing them but I'm done worrying about time. I busted my ### on this course like I did last year so I feel good about the effort. Looking forward to the trail half I have coming up in April :thumbup:

Met up with all the guys running the 1/2 at our companies table and hung out together at the start. It was cool because there were guys in the group that ran 1:33 and there were guys who finished behind me but we were all just hanging out shooting the breeze. I had an epiphany later, when there are a group of runners together like that the one thing nobody really cares about is time. Everyone that doesn't run always asks about your time, how fast you are, how quick you can run a mile but when you're with a group of other runners the one thing you rarely talk about is time. Just a neat thought.

 
'beer 302 said:
'Ned said:
You're in totally different shape than you were last year.
Oh contraire2013 Alston-Bird Corporate Cup 5k & 1/2 Marathon

Perfect day for a race, weather was absolutely awesome, about 35 at the start, mid 40's at the finish. About 2500 runners, 5k & 1/2 both starting together @ 8am. Not a fan of that but it's over with after 3 miles. The race itself was really cool, volunteers were great, the course rocked and I ended up with a new PR by 36 tenths of a second :lmao: Very similar course to last Novembers half and after 13.1 miles I improved from 2:03:36 to 2:03:00. Couldn't do that again if I tried.

These half's in Charlotte are quickly becoming my white whale. Done worrying about it and moving on. It's a great challenge and I enjoy running them so I'll keep doing them but I'm done worrying about time. I busted my ### on this course like I did last year so I feel good about the effort. Looking forward to the trail half I have coming up in April :thumbup:

Met up with all the guys running the 1/2 at our companies table and hung out together at the start. It was cool because there were guys in the group that ran 1:33 and there were guys who finished behind me but we were all just hanging out shooting the breeze. I had an epiphany later, when there are a group of runners together like that the one thing nobody really cares about is time. Everyone that doesn't run always asks about your time, how fast you are, how quick you can run a mile but when you're with a group of other runners the one thing you rarely talk about is time. Just a neat thought.
Congrats on the PR and I'm glad to see that you're happy with how things went overall. I'm kind of hazy on who's racing what -- is this the course that gives you problems because it's hilly?
 
'SFBayDuck said:
Finished in 6:24ish! I'm tired.......
:thumbup: Beautiful weekend here, so we took the boys hiking yesterday for a couple hours. Then when they were resting, watching TV, I got my bike out for the first time in over two years. Shook the cobwebs off (both literally and figuratively) an rode just 10k to test it out. Reminded me why I miss riding and need to either repair this bike or get a new one (as I've stated previously, I'm looking). With Daylight Savings Time giving me one less hour to run before church today (with these country roads, I wait until sunrise) I figured I'd do a time trial HM. Felt awesome up to the 10k mark, hit just over 45 minutes. Then hit the wall hard, struggled to go sub 8s from there on and finished at 1:44, really struggling through the last couple miles. Did it to myself though, probably because I didn't bring water or food - after all it was only 13.1, right? :bag: :wall:
 
Congrats Duck and Beer!

Beer, I'm confused. 36 tenths or 36 seconds?

By the way, why didn't anyone tell me daylight savings starts today? It's already 10:30 and I haven't started my 18 miler yet...

 
'beer 302 said:
'Ned said:
You're in totally different shape than you were last year.
Oh contraire2013 Alston-Bird Corporate Cup 5k & 1/2 Marathon

Perfect day for a race, weather was absolutely awesome, about 35 at the start, mid 40's at the finish. About 2500 runners, 5k & 1/2 both starting together @ 8am. Not a fan of that but it's over with after 3 miles. The race itself was really cool, volunteers were great, the course rocked and I ended up with a new PR by 36 tenths of a second :lmao: Very similar course to last Novembers half and after 13.1 miles I improved from 2:03:36 to 2:03:00. Couldn't do that again if I tried.

These half's in Charlotte are quickly becoming my white whale. Done worrying about it and moving on. It's a great challenge and I enjoy running them so I'll keep doing them but I'm done worrying about time. I busted my ### on this course like I did last year so I feel good about the effort. Looking forward to the trail half I have coming up in April :thumbup:

Met up with all the guys running the 1/2 at our companies table and hung out together at the start. It was cool because there were guys in the group that ran 1:33 and there were guys who finished behind me but we were all just hanging out shooting the breeze. I had an epiphany later, when there are a group of runners together like that the one thing nobody really cares about is time. Everyone that doesn't run always asks about your time, how fast you are, how quick you can run a mile but when you're with a group of other runners the one thing you rarely talk about is time. Just a neat thought.
Congrats on the PR and I'm glad to see that you're happy with how things went overall. I'm kind of hazy on who's racing what -- is this the course that gives you problems because it's hilly?
http://runkeeper.com/user/ronnash/activity/155648828Yea, hills & Charlotte kinda just go hand in hand. There was a great field this, 1:14 won it. I always think the hills I train on are a good test then I go to Charlotte and eats my lunch. Great course though, some sadistic race directors out there ;)

This is the race from last year that covers about the same roads http://runkeeper.com/user/ronnash/activity/131689505

 
'beer 302 said:
'Ned said:
You're in totally different shape than you were last year.
Oh contraire2013 Alston-Bird Corporate Cup 5k & 1/2 Marathon

Perfect day for a race, weather was absolutely awesome, about 35 at the start, mid 40's at the finish. About 2500 runners, 5k & 1/2 both starting together @ 8am. Not a fan of that but it's over with after 3 miles. The race itself was really cool, volunteers were great, the course rocked and I ended up with a new PR by 36 tenths of a second :lmao: Very similar course to last Novembers half and after 13.1 miles I improved from 2:03:36 to 2:03:00. Couldn't do that again if I tried.

These half's in Charlotte are quickly becoming my white whale. Done worrying about it and moving on. It's a great challenge and I enjoy running them so I'll keep doing them but I'm done worrying about time. I busted my ### on this course like I did last year so I feel good about the effort. Looking forward to the trail half I have coming up in April :thumbup:

Met up with all the guys running the 1/2 at our companies table and hung out together at the start. It was cool because there were guys in the group that ran 1:33 and there were guys who finished behind me but we were all just hanging out shooting the breeze. I had an epiphany later, when there are a group of runners together like that the one thing nobody really cares about is time. Everyone that doesn't run always asks about your time, how fast you are, how quick you can run a mile but when you're with a group of other runners the one thing you rarely talk about is time. Just a neat thought.
Kind of like here...and with many runners...people of all times are accepted.Yesterday was the half that I PRed in last year. I had not planned on running it this year though. Would have been beautiful condiditions for it.

Buddy of mine hit his PR of 1:39 (I think he did this one last year in about 1:44 or so...mine was 1:54:17 I think last year).

The one nice flat course in Nashville.

 
http://runkeeper.com/user/ronnash/activity/155648828

Yea, hills & Charlotte kinda just go hand in hand. There was a great field this, 1:14 won it. I always think the hills I train on are a good test then I go to Charlotte and eats my lunch. Great course though, some sadistic race directors out there ;)

This is the race from last year that covers about the same roads http://runkeeper.com/user/ronnash/activity/131689505
Awesome. And congrats to SF for a great run - can't wait to hear the full details.

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On my end just a full training week. Finished up 3.5k in the pool, 80 miles ridden, and 35 miles run. A shade over 10 hours total. That is a big number for me, as is the 35 miles run. Hopefully everyone had a good week.

 
'beer 302 said:
'Ned said:
You're in totally different shape than you were last year.
Oh contraire2013 Alston-Bird Corporate Cup 5k & 1/2 Marathon

Perfect day for a race, weather was absolutely awesome, about 35 at the start, mid 40's at the finish. About 2500 runners, 5k & 1/2 both starting together @ 8am. Not a fan of that but it's over with after 3 miles. The race itself was really cool, volunteers were great, the course rocked and I ended up with a new PR by 36 tenths of a second :lmao: Very similar course to last Novembers half and after 13.1 miles I improved from 2:03:36 to 2:03:00. Couldn't do that again if I tried.

These half's in Charlotte are quickly becoming my white whale. Done worrying about it and moving on. It's a great challenge and I enjoy running them so I'll keep doing them but I'm done worrying about time. I busted my ### on this course like I did last year so I feel good about the effort. Looking forward to the trail half I have coming up in April :thumbup:

Met up with all the guys running the 1/2 at our companies table and hung out together at the start. It was cool because there were guys in the group that ran 1:33 and there were guys who finished behind me but we were all just hanging out shooting the breeze. I had an epiphany later, when there are a group of runners together like that the one thing nobody really cares about is time. Everyone that doesn't run always asks about your time, how fast you are, how quick you can run a mile but when you're with a group of other runners the one thing you rarely talk about is time. Just a neat thought.
Its funny you had that epiphany... As I was reading the (bolded), I had that feeling of "why is he hung up on time?". This is one the best parts about this sport/hobby. There's all walks of life out there, and for the most part, everyone is supportive of each other regardless of talent. I can't count the number of times I've seen the elites come jogging or walking back down the final stretches of the course cheering the pack on. If only the rest of the world operated like this....
 
Week 8 in the books. Unintentionally short, but life happened. :shrug: Had to reshuffle the schedule all around and was only able to run 4x this week. So that meant no recovery runs since I'd have 2 extra days off.

Tue (10mi w/6LT) - Overconfidence is creeping in. I pushed this too hard at the beginning because it felt so good and ended up going past LT. I recognized it like I did a few weeks ago, but instead of quitting I decided to try and reel it in a click around LT mile 5 and try to regroup. Worked out well, but that wasn't a lot of fun either. Went 7:13, 7:01 (dork), 7:13, 7:23 (blew thru LT), 7:42 (reeled it in and regrouped), 7:17 (went back after it and stayed at LT). Overall 7:18/176. Still within LT (178), so that was a success.

Thu (12mi MLR) - Nor'easter blew through on Wednesday so I pushed this back to today. Felt like complete ####. I wanted to go home after 6 but stayed out until I had had enough at 10.5. No idea WTH that was about. 9:09/148

Sat (10mi MLR) - Had to rearrange schedule again to get mom to chemo on Friday. Felt a lot better today, but had to keep fighting that wind. 9:13/146

Sun (18mi Trail) - I think I was out running in the Twilight Zone. Some wacky stuff happened. Around mile 4 I had to piss like a race horse. I veer off the trail to do business and think its all clear. I no sooner start and I hear a 'hello'. Some chick snuck in on me. I panicked and proceeded to piss all over myself. :bag: Mile 10 I see a black cat chillin' at the edge of the woods. I turn down the trail and hear a woman laughing hysterically. I look back and she's where the cat was, but no cat. :shock: Mile 14 some chick has a pug puppy running down the trail off leash. Stupid thing follows me for about 20yds (single track, mind you) and then cuts in front of me. I proceed to boot it, unintentionally, down the trail... YELP. Sorry 'bout your pup, honey. Leash it next time.... All in all I felt fantastic given the doubled up 10 + 18 weekend. Mega hilly (for me). Pretty sure this is a climbing PR - 2,435ft! 10:35/147. Also one of the lowest HRs I've ever posted on the trails. :thumbup:

48mi total for the week. Should've been 58, but oh well.

 
Around mile 4 I had to piss like a race horse. I veer off the trail to do business and think its all clear. I no sooner start and I hear a 'hello'. Some chick snuck in on me. I panicked and proceeded to piss all over myself.
Bungled opportunity for a pick-up there.
 
personal best 6.25 miles this morning. i've been running off and on for 2 years now, and this makes the 4th time i've worked up to the 5 mile plateau only to get injured/sick/life happening. busted through that wall now and no plans on turning back!

felt great this morning with temperatures right around 50. in fact, i felt so good i thought about going another couple of miles but decided to stop while i still had a smile on my face. i know 6 miles isn't much compared to the the volume some of you guys put out, but it was big for me to finally get past that 5 mile sticking point.

 
W Some chick snuck in on me. I panicked and proceeded to piss all over myself. Mile 14 some chick has a pug puppy running down the trail off leash. Stupid thing follows me for about 20yds (single track, mind you) and then cuts in front of me. I proceed to boot it, unintentionally, down the trail... YELP. Sorry 'bout your pup, honey. Leash it next time....
Quality pissing yourself there.And who has not wanted to boot a pug before? Not like you are going to make it any uglier.
 
personal best 6.25 miles this morning. i've been running off and on for 2 years now, and this makes the 4th time i've worked up to the 5 mile plateau only to get injured/sick/life happening. busted through that wall now and no plans on turning back! felt great this morning with temperatures right around 50. in fact, i felt so good i thought about going another couple of miles but decided to stop while i still had a smile on my face. i know 6 miles isn't much compared to the the volume some of you guys put out, but it was big for me to finally get past that 5 mile sticking point.
Nice. If you stick with it, you'll find this is an easy distance to maintain, and it's a great base if you ever want to do something longer.
 
Training report - week 13

Tues Unscheduled day off - sick

Wed 15 miles. 7:54/132

Thurs 6 recovery miles. 8:37

Fri 12 miles. 7:43/138

Sat 5 recovery miles. 8:85

Sun 20 miles. 7:52/136

58 this week but I was supposed to do 70. I'm still not feeling 100% but I'm slowly getting there. I was supposed to do double recovery runs on Thursday but decided there was no way I was up for it when the alarm went off at 5:45. Today was supposed to be only 18 but 14 at marathon pace. I knew during the first few miles of warm up that I didn't have it in me to do that so I decided on a slower 20 instead. I didn't do any speed work this week which isn't ideal, of course.

I think my weeks of really high mileage are over. I have races the next three weekends (a 5K, then a half marathon, then a 10K ending the first week of taper). I think I'm going to insert a couple extra days of rest these next few weeks. I want to be fresh for my races. Mentally and physically I've been off these last few weeks and I could use the confidence I'd get from some successful races.

 
personal best 6.25 miles this morning. i've been running off and on for 2 years now, and this makes the 4th time i've worked up to the 5 mile plateau only to get injured/sick/life happening. busted through that wall now and no plans on turning back! felt great this morning with temperatures right around 50. in fact, i felt so good i thought about going another couple of miles but decided to stop while i still had a smile on my face. i know 6 miles isn't much compared to the the volume some of you guys put out, but it was big for me to finally get past that 5 mile sticking point.
:thumbup: Now's the time to sign up for a few races!
 
personal best 6.25 miles this morning. i've been running off and on for 2 years now, and this makes the 4th time i've worked up to the 5 mile plateau only to get injured/sick/life happening. busted through that wall now and no plans on turning back! felt great this morning with temperatures right around 50. in fact, i felt so good i thought about going another couple of miles but decided to stop while i still had a smile on my face. i know 6 miles isn't much compared to the the volume some of you guys put out, but it was big for me to finally get past that 5 mile sticking point.
Nice. If you stick with it, you'll find this is an easy distance to maintain, and it's a great base if you ever want to do something longer.
that's what i'm thinking. i'd like to eventually get my runs during the week up to about 5 (currently at 3-4) and my long run on the weekend up to about 8 or so. sprinkle in a few 5k and 10k races and maybe work up to a half in the fall.
 
personal best 6.25 miles this morning. i've been running off and on for 2 years now, and this makes the 4th time i've worked up to the 5 mile plateau only to get injured/sick/life happening. busted through that wall now and no plans on turning back!

felt great this morning with temperatures right around 50. in fact, i felt so good i thought about going another couple of miles but decided to stop while i still had a smile on my face. i know 6 miles isn't much compared to the the volume some of you guys put out, but it was big for me to finally get past that 5 mile sticking point.
:thumbup: 6 miles is a big landmark. Enjoy that ####!!!!!!!
 
Thanks all, it was a hell of a day. As you all know, my race reports are a little verbose.....

Got up to Auburn on Friday afternoon for runner check in, and the running store that it was being held was packed and buzzing with energy. Being the town that Western States ends in it's always fun to be up there, and the Who's Who of trail running are usually around - as we walked out the RD of Western States was standing on the sidewalk chatting it up. I started feeling an excess of nervous energy, so I generously offered to buy my girlfriend (and I) a drink across the street at a local bar. Two vodka sodas later, I was feeling calmer so we drove out to the starting line in Cool, CA, to make sure we had knew exactly how long it would take to get there. Back to the hotel for dinner and an early night, was in bed and asleep by 9:30 with the alarm set for 5:15 AM.

Of course at 1:15 AM I was awake, and there was no hope of going back to sleep. Watched a few videos on the iPad, got back in bed with ESPN radio on in an earphone, and I think I finally drifted off to sleep at about 4:45, with the alarm going off thirty minutes later. One of these days I hope to get a good night's sleep before a race, but not sure that will ever happen! I threw down my smoothie of coconut milk, chia seeds, and a banana, a couple of cups of coffee, and then it was off to Cool.

We arrived and got parked, which turned out to be 3/4 of a mile down the road that the race would start on - cars jammed in on both sides on a small park road. My girlfriend had planned to watch the start, hang around for the end of the initial 8 mile loop that would bring us back through the start and then go back to the hotel for awhile, but with the parking the way it was she realized she was in for the long haul - what a trooper.

The elites bounded off at 8:00 in an early wave start, and elites they were. Gru, you and I have something in common in that we've both had our butts kicked by Max King - he ended up destroying the course record in 3:08:50 - yes, just over a 6:00 pace for 31.2 trail miles. The rest of the runners kicked off at 8:10, and I started in the back by design and headed off down the road for a bit before hitting the trail.

We hit single track pretty quickly and I was already regretting my decision to start at the back - while I had passed a few folks on the road, the trail began a long conga line of runners with no way to move up. At the 2.4 mile mark we all just stopped - we hit a creek crossing and runners were tiptoing one-at-a-time across some rocks. I thought about doing what a few runners were doing and going around the line and plowing through the creek, but decided soaking wet feet at mile 2.4 of my 2nd ever ultra might not be the best idea. A few minutes later I was finally across the river and back onto single track, more of the same with a line of 30-40 runners chugging along. It was single track for the rest of the initial 8 miles, and I came back into that first aid station at the start to see my girlfriend again, a few minutes ahead of my 13:00 goal pace despite leaving 5-6 minutes on that section of the course due to the crowding. For this stretch my mile splits ranged between 10:31-12:55, with the exception of the 13:52 mile due to the line at the creek.

I had decided my hydration and nutrition strategy would be liquid calories in the form of GU Brew with some real food (potatoes dipped in salt) and Coke mixed in at the aid stations. Of course I forgot to mix the GU into my water bottle at the start, but was lucky I threw 2 gels in my pocket so I relied on them for that initial stretch. The rest of the way this strategy worked pretty well, although my decision to just carry one bottle probably cost me a bit as twice I was out before I got to an aid station. I ended up drinking about 176 oz of fluid during the race without peeing once (in fact it was a good 90 minutes after before I finally did), and got a little low on energy at about the 5:00 mark (go figure), but it worked pretty well. I will try on the 50M to eat and drink a little more, especially early.

At about mile 9 we hit a three mile stretch of downhill, dropping 1000' down into the canyon to the American River. It was still crowded in that stretch but we ran along on a rolling fire road for the next six miles or so, it was nice to get off the single track for a bit and have some room to run. I chatted up a 66 year old guy from Sacramento also rocking the Hokas, turned out this was his first ever ultra and we talked about our plans to run the same 50M next month. For this nine mile stretch my splits were 10:52-12:26, staying ahead of my 13:00 goal pace pretty easily.

Remember before the race when I said this wasn't a terribly hilly trail race? I'm never saying that again before a race, ever. Mile 17 began the climb back out of the canyon, which started pretty well as I consistently out-hiked people up the trail. It was hard work, but I was moving along ok - 12:26/11:50/15:44/16:53 - uh oh, tired legs those last two miles, hammies and calves burning. Luckily that got us to the top to find some more rolling hills, an aid station to fill my empty bottle, and then off for a few more miles of rolling single track with a familiar name through mile 25 - I averaged about a 12:35 pace through here, so considering I was pushing through the 20 mile barrier and this wasn't exactly flat, I was pretty stoked to still be moving ahead of my 13:00 pace.

And then I hit Goat Hill. Looking at my Garmin data, this .7 mile hill climbs about 450', and registered a 24% grade at one point. This was part of a 20:18 mile as I barely was able to keep my legs moving. It turns out this was the same hill that almost ended my buddy Jim's Western States attempt. The hill that when he got to the next aid station, he sat down and said he was done, only to have Volunteer Mike tell him to get up and get moving. Well who should be working the aid station at the top of Goat Hill yesterday but Mike himself! I told him how much he meant to Jim's finish that day last June, we spent a minute chatting, and then I was off again with a little renewed mental energy and inspiration.

I was now past the marathon distance for only the 2nd time ever, and feeling it. My hips, quads, and calves were all sore, but I was able to keep chugging along. It was single track again, and I fell in behind a guy going the same pace I was - running slowly on the flats/downs, and hiking anything that even slightly resembled an incline. But that climb, and the cumulative distance, had taken it's toll and I averaged a 14:22 through that 4 mile stretch. We hit the last aid station at mile 29.8 with inspiration signs and cheers of "it's not a matter of if anymore, just when!" and of course hit one last climb, another 440' over a mile and half. I managed to pass a few people through here, including the CEO/Founder of Moeben (arm sleeves and gear), who is running Badwater again this year. Of course she is like 60 years old, but still. Finally it was across the finish line in 6:24:13, and a near collapse into the arms of my (still waiting) girlfriend.

With a goal time of 6:45 and a hope for 6:20, I'm obviously pretty happy with how things went. My quads and hips are super sore right now, but I experienced the same thing in October after my trail marathon and know they'll be better later this week. I'll go see my PT this week to get things worked out (btw she PR'd in 4:52!) to make sure my body is set for the stretch run of my 50M training.

 
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Around mile 4 I had to piss like a race horse. I veer off the trail to do business and think its all clear. I no sooner start and I hear a 'hello'. Some chick snuck in on me. I panicked and proceeded to piss all over myself.
Bungled opportunity for a pick-up there.
:goodposting:
Are you a runner?
Finally it was across the finish line in 6:24:13, and a near collapse into the arms of my (still waiting) girlfriend.

With a goal time of 6:45 and a hope for 6:20, I'm obviously pretty happy with how things went. My quads and hips are super sore right now, but I experienced the same thing in October after my trail marathon and know they'll be better later this week. I'll go see my PT this week to get things worked out (btw she PR'd in 4:52!) to make sure my body is set for the stretch run of my 50M training.
Sweeeeet! Awesome report and run Duck!!Well done Prince!!

 
Nice job prince! Like the others have said 6 is a great milestone. Run a couple of 5k's now and jump in with both feet!

Even a down week for juxt and I'm still in awe of the speed & stamina. You're setting up for a heckuva a race season man!

Duck, awesome race & report. Really hoping to get some trail miles in this year starting in the next few weeks. I signed up for a trail half marathon at the beginning of April never having run a step on a trail so I might hit you up for some pointers ;)

 
Thanks all, it was a hell of a day. As you all know, my race reports are a little verbose.....

Got up to Auburn on Friday afternoon for runner check in, and the running store that it was being held was packed and buzzing with energy. Being the town that Western States ends in it's always fun to be up there, and the Who's Who of trail running are usually around - as we walked out the RD of Western States was standing on the sidewalk chatting it up. I started feeling an excess of nervous energy, so I generously offered to buy my girlfriend (and I) a drink across the street at a local bar. Two vodka sodas later, I was feeling calmer so we drove out to the starting line in Cool, CA, to make sure we had knew exactly how long it would take to get there. Back to the hotel for dinner and an early night, was in bed and asleep by 9:30 with the alarm set for 5:15 AM.

Of course at 1:15 AM I was awake, and there was no hope of going back to sleep. Watched a few videos on the iPad, got back in bed with ESPN radio on in an earphone, and I think I finally drifted off to sleep at about 4:45, with the alarm going off thirty minutes later. One of these days I hope to get a good night's sleep before a race, but not sure that will ever happen! I threw down my smoothie of coconut milk, chia seeds, and a banana, a couple of cups of coffee, and then it was off to Cool.

We arrived and got parked, which turned out to be 3/4 of a mile down the road that the race would start on - cars jammed in on both sides on a small park road. My girlfriend had planned to watch the start, hang around for the end of the initial 8 mile loop that would bring us back through the start and then go back to the hotel for awhile, but with the parking the way it was she realized she was in for the long haul - what a trooper.

The elites bounded off at 8:00 in an early wave start, and elites they were. Gru, you and I have something in common in that we've both had our butts kicked by Max King - he ended up destroying the course record in 3:08:50 - yes, just over a 6:00 pace for 31.2 trail miles. The rest of the runners kicked off at 8:10, and I started in the back by design and headed off down the road for a bit before hitting the trail.

We hit single track pretty quickly and I was already regretting my decision to start at the back - while I had passed a few folks on the road, the trail began a long conga line of runners with no way to move up. At the 2.4 mile mark we all just stopped - we hit a creek crossing and runners were tiptoing one-at-a-time across some rocks. I thought about doing what a few runners were doing and going around the line and plowing through the creek, but decided soaking wet feet at mile 2.4 of my 2nd ever ultra might not be the best idea. A few minutes later I was finally across the river and back onto single track, more of the same with a line of 30-40 runners chugging along. It was single track for the rest of the initial 8 miles, and I came back into that first aid station at the start to see my girlfriend again, a few minutes ahead of my 13:00 goal pace despite leaving 5-6 minutes on that section of the course due to the crowding. For this stretch my mile splits ranged between 10:31-12:55, with the exception of the 13:52 mile due to the line at the creek.

I had decided my hydration and nutrition strategy would be liquid calories in the form of GU Brew with some real food (potatoes dipped in salt) and Coke mixed in at the aid stations. Of course I forgot to mix the GU into my water bottle at the start, but was lucky I threw 2 gels in my pocket so I relied on them for that initial stretch. The rest of the way this strategy worked pretty well, although my decision to just carry one bottle probably cost me a bit as twice I was out before I got to an aid station. I ended up drinking about 176 oz of fluid during the race without peeing once (in fact it was a good 90 minutes after before I finally did), and got a little low on energy at about the 5:00 mark (go figure), but it worked pretty well. I will try on the 50M to eat and drink a little more, especially early.

At about mile 9 we hit a three mile stretch of downhill, dropping 1000' down into the canyon to the American River. It was still crowded in that stretch but we ran along on a rolling fire road for the next six miles or so, it was nice to get off the single track for a bit and have some room to run. I chatted up a 66 year old guy from Sacramento also rocking the Hokas, turned out this was his first ever ultra and we talked about our plans to run the same 50M next month. For this nine mile stretch my splits were 10:52-12:26, staying ahead of my 13:00 goal pace pretty easily.

Remember before the race when I said this wasn't a terribly hilly trail race? I'm never saying that again before a race, ever. Mile 17 began the climb back out of the canyon, which started pretty well as I consistently out-hiked people up the trail. It was hard work, but I was moving along ok - 12:26/11:50/15:44/16:53 - uh oh, tired legs those last two miles, hammies and calves burning. Luckily that got us to the top to find some more rolling hills, an aid station to fill my empty bottle, and then off for a few more miles of rolling single track with a familiar name through mile 25 - I averaged about a 12:35 pace through here, so considering I was pushing through the 20 mile barrier and this wasn't exactly flat, I was pretty stoked to still be moving ahead of my 13:00 pace.

And then I hit Goat Hill. Looking at my Garmin data, this .7 mile hill climbs about 450', and registered a 24% grade at one point. This was part of a 20:18 mile as I barely was able to keep my legs moving. It turns out this was the same hill that almost ended my buddy Jim's Western States attempt. The hill that when he got to the next aid station, he sat down and said he was done, only to have Volunteer Mike tell him to get up and get moving. Well who should be working the aid station at the top of Goat Hill yesterday but Mike himself! I told him how much he meant to Jim's finish that day last June, we spent a minute chatting, and then I was off again with a little renewed mental energy and inspiration.

I was now past the marathon distance for only the 2nd time ever, and feeling it. My hips, quads, and calves were all sore, but I was able to keep chugging along. It was single track again, and I fell in behind a guy going the same pace I was - running slowly on the flats/downs, and hiking anything that even slightly resembled an incline. But that climb, and the cumulative distance, had taken it's toll and I averaged a 14:22 through that 4 mile stretch. We hit the last aid station at mile 29.8 with inspiration signs and cheers of "it's not a matter of if anymore, just when!" and of course hit one last climb, another 440' over a mile and half. I managed to pass a few people through here, including the CEO/Founder of Moeben (arm sleeves and gear), who is running Badwater again this year. Of course she is like 60 years old, but still. Finally it was across the finish line in 6:24:13, and a near collapse into the arms of my (still waiting) girlfriend.

With a goal time of 6:45 and a hope for 6:20, I'm obviously pretty happy with how things went. My quads and hips are super sore right now, but I experienced the same thing in October after my trail marathon and know they'll be better later this week. I'll go see my PT this week to get things worked out (btw she PR'd in 4:52!) to make sure my body is set for the stretch run of my 50M training.
Awesome work. :goodposting:
 
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'Ned said:
You're in totally different shape than you were last year.
Oh contraire2013 Alston-Bird Corporate Cup 5k & 1/2 Marathon

Perfect day for a race, weather was absolutely awesome, about 35 at the start, mid 40's at the finish. About 2500 runners, 5k & 1/2 both starting together @ 8am. Not a fan of that but it's over with after 3 miles. The race itself was really cool, volunteers were great, the course rocked and I ended up with a new PR by 36 tenths of a second :lmao: Very similar course to last Novembers half and after 13.1 miles I improved from 2:03:36 to 2:03:00. Couldn't do that again if I tried.

These half's in Charlotte are quickly becoming my white whale. Done worrying about it and moving on. It's a great challenge and I enjoy running them so I'll keep doing them but I'm done worrying about time. I busted my ### on this course like I did last year so I feel good about the effort. Looking forward to the trail half I have coming up in April :thumbup:

Met up with all the guys running the 1/2 at our companies table and hung out together at the start. It was cool because there were guys in the group that ran 1:33 and there were guys who finished behind me but we were all just hanging out shooting the breeze. I had an epiphany later, when there are a group of runners together like that the one thing nobody really cares about is time. Everyone that doesn't run always asks about your time, how fast you are, how quick you can run a mile but when you're with a group of other runners the one thing you rarely talk about is time. Just a neat thought.
Congrats on the PR. :thumbup:
 
First off - LOVE the pics. Very cool.

The elites bounded off at 8:00 in an early wave start, and elites they were. Gru, you and I have something in common in that we've both had our butts kicked by Max King - he ended up destroying the course record in 3:08:50 - yes, just over a 6:00 pace for 31.2 trail miles.
GTFO :shock: Tell me he cut the course.....
Remember before the race when I said this wasn't a terribly hilly trail race? I'm never saying that again before a race, ever.
:lol: > 6,000' is no friggin' joke!
And then I hit Goat Hill. Looking at my Garmin data, this .7 mile hill climbs about 450', and registered a 24% grade at one point.
24%................. :loco: I've been running some 10%'ers and I can barely run up them. Did this require climbing gear?!
 
First off - LOVE the pics. Very cool.

The elites bounded off at 8:00 in an early wave start, and elites they were. Gru, you and I have something in common in that we've both had our butts kicked by Max King - he ended up destroying the course record in 3:08:50 - yes, just over a 6:00 pace for 31.2 trail miles.
GTFO :shock: Tell me he cut the course.....
Some people are just not quite human. Ridiculous.
Solid training weeks Jux and Ned
So where is that :choppedliver: smiley, again? :P
 
Nice work Beer, Duck, and Prince

Enjoyed the report Duck. Congrats.

15 for me Saturday and 6 easy Sunday. Had to drive someone to the airport today so missed my morning run. Hope to get some miles in after work.

 
Ned, that's crazy about that time. A .36 PR in a Half!! Was it because you leaned at the tape? :)

Duck, cool report and nice pics. Reading about those hills made my hip hurt. Nice job!

I decided not to race Saturday for a number of reasons. The main one being we are still in temp housing and house hunting for the permanent house and a couple houses came on the market that we had to check out. I can't wait to be settled for life purposes and for consistent running purposes. Anyway, not racing probably enabled me to get more mileage in and hit a milestone...40 miles for the week ended Sunday after 7 on Sat and 9 on Sunday. Continuing the slow and steady increase - last 4 weeks 30.5, 33, 37, 40. I have a much needed day off today

 
Beer & Duck - Great races!!

Prince - Congrats on the milestone!

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Add me to the list of guys who kinda half-assed it through last week. Like Ned, only four runs for me. One planned rest day and two unplanned, one due to weather and the other after my body decided to go ape#### on me after my 20-miler.

M - 9 easy at 8:19/mile

T - SRD

W - 15 at 8:05/mile

T - USRD (weather)

F - 11.5 with 4 tempo. Tempo avg 6:29/mile, overall 7:33/mile. Was supposed to be 12/7T, but left hammy was tight.

S - 20 at 8:02/mile on hilly "Boston sim" course. Rollers most of the way and 4 good-sized hills in succession from 12-16. Felt great on the run, but my body went beserk at night. Chills, nausea, etc. Bizarre.

S - USRD (see Saturday)

Total only 55.5 miles. Relatively light week on tap this week with the race (half) coming up on Saturday, and then one last big mileage week next week (90ish) including a 30-mile trail run on the 23rd.

I don't so much mind the missed runs, but the failed tempo run bothers me, if only because I don't really know for sure if I needed to stop because of the hamstring or if it was just a convenient excuse to stop. My physical conditioning is fine, but I feel like a bit of a "mental midget" sometimes (insert 2Young joke here). I really need to get better at being comfortable with discomfort. Any tips??

 
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I don't so much mind the missed runs, but the failed tempo run bothers me, if only because I don't really know for sure if I needed to stop because of the hamstring or if it was just a convenient excuse to stop. My physical conditioning is fine, but I feel like a bit of a "mental midget" sometimes (insert 2Young joke here). I really need to get better at being comfortable with discomfort. Any tips??
You're gonna hate me for saying this.... My #1 crutch for dealing with discomfort is the HRM. Sometimes LT work hurts more than other times. If I look down and see my HR is still within LT range, I know I'm just being that mental midget and will keep going. It's when I blow through LT is when I know the pain is because I'm pushing too hard. My LT run on Tuesday is a perfect example.I'll also use a lot of stupid phrases and mind tricks. One of my go-to thoughts is your your mantra of getting comfortable with being uncomfortable. That's always stuck with me.

 
F - 11.5 with 4 tempo. Tempo avg 6:29/mile, overall 7:33/mile. Was supposed to be 12/7T, but left hammy was tight.

I don't so much mind the missed runs, but the failed tempo run bothers me, if only because I don't really know for sure if I needed to stop because of the hamstring or if it was just a convenient excuse to stop. My physical conditioning is fine, but I feel like a bit of a "mental midget" sometimes (insert 2Young joke here). I really need to get better at being comfortable with discomfort. Any tips??
It's easier said than done, but I wouldn't push a tight hamstring too hard. You probably did the right thing by shutting it down even though it leaves you second-guessing yourself. You've done that workout before, you know your training is going fine overall, and you know how bad it would suck to injure yourself at this point. Don't sweat it.
 
One of my go-to thoughts is your your mantra of getting comfortable with being uncomfortable. That's always stuck with me.
Funny you mention that, during the last few miles on Saturday I repeated that quite a few times :thumbup: I know it means different levels of "uncomfortable" for all of us but I think we can all agree that it doesn't suck any less just gotta deal with it.
 
I don't so much mind the missed runs, but the failed tempo run bothers me, if only because I don't really know for sure if I needed to stop because of the hamstring or if it was just a convenient excuse to stop. My physical conditioning is fine, but I feel like a bit of a "mental midget" sometimes (insert 2Young joke here). I really need to get better at being comfortable with discomfort. Any tips??
Hard to give tips when you did the right thing. I got comfortable with the discomfort last week with a tight hammy and it lead to a hip issue. Built on that theme and did speed work the next day because I was sick of missing workouts. Made it worse. I've been unable to run since last Tuesday and stuck trying to hammer it on the bike.You 100% did the right thing. Your mileage has been insanely high, especially for someone you size. A missed run or two will have zero impact on your Boston goals.

 
Finally try to get back into racing shape! Last year was my first Half (Annapolis Half) in December at 1:52:48 (8:36 pace).

Took most of Jan off for holidays, flu. Started light training back in Feb with longest training run of 9 miles.

New races I've signed up for for 2013.

Caesar Rodney Half in Wilmington DE March 17 (this weekend!)

Cherry Blossom 10 miler - April 7 (this was my ultimate goal when I started running last June)

George Washington Parkway 10 miler - April 21

Also RACE REPORT..

Just completed St Patrick's 8K in DC this past weekend as a jump start. Unfortunately, my wife and I went to Wizards game the night before, had way too much fun. Running 8k in the am with a small hangover and loss of 1 hr was not fun. I also didn't realize it was such a BIG race! About 4,000 runners!

I tried to take it easy as I really just wanted to finish without getting hurt. First mile was beautiful...up Penn Avenue to the Capitol, then near Union station. Last part of race was back down the National Mall. I was so tired though..not much in the tank to make any kind of move...not to mention I HATE these 8-10 year olds that can race right at my pace!! It's a little demoralizing. One of them passed me at the finish line and I had no reserves to take him. Had to hear it from my kids at the finish line...lol

Anyway got the 8k done in 41:43 (8:24 pace) so I was happy enough. Next weekend it that half and I really haven't put in the miles since December, but I remember this Board's advice about racing so I'm going to do it anyway!

 
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Beer and DanFouts, nice racing! Beer, love your comment on hanging out with runners afterward. On the ultra side especially there is such a huge variance in finishing times that I always just ask people how their race went, not how long it took. My PT set a PR in 4:52, but said she had a rough day. I'll never see that kind of time on my best day!

Prince, congrats on the milestone! Now get signed up for some races!

Ned - nice story on the 18 mile training run, sounds like some real :tinfoilhat: stuff going on!

Beer - not sure if you were seriously asking for pointers, but my tip on running trails is pretty simple - ease into it, but start running trails. If you're not used to it you'll notice soreness initially in places you're not used to in your legs, hips, maybe even your core. I do actually do some balance work to help out with that a bit - one legged stuff, usually on one of these. More importantly it's the mindset change - so many of you guys are so good at just churning out the miles at the exact same pace. On trails it becomes more about churning out the miles at the same effort - and the pace will vary based on the terrain.

 
What do you guys eat before/day of a race/long run?
Not so much for long training run, but for races.... Twinlab® Ultra Fuel® :yes:
Is this your pre-race drink (vs. Gatorade), or do you carry this with you during the race? Or both? (and: what flavor is preferred?) For longer workouts, I like Accelerade with its 4/1 carb/protein blend ...more sustenance than just Gatorade. Do you see this as comparable to Accelerade? Regarding the mental aspect, I find it to be two-fold of knowing the goal (for that day, or in the context of the training cycle) and, as Ned notes, using HR to 'distract' the mind. I suspect the challenge for you, gruecd, is your distance focus ...I don't think you get as much variety as you would with training for shorter events (e.g., the various interval workouts). When I'm doing a lot of mileage, there are days when I walk out the front door and think 'which direction am I not sick of running?' Along these lines, I recall how much you perked up when you got into the trail running!

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I only had 4 runs last week, also. Added an easy 13 yesterday ...bit of a sore hammy from the hill repeats and very tired legs - a 'good' tired, though. Ended up at 8:46/mile and 141 HR.

DanFouts - nice job! Man, I'd love to race the mall at some point. I'll have to make DC a destination race at some point. The closest I've come is tri-swim training in the Potomac River south of town while at a conference (and almost getting arrested :thumbup: ).

 
What do you guys eat before/day of a race/long run?
Not so much for long training run, but for races.... Twinlab® Ultra Fuel® :yes:
I've heard good things about that stuff, I may have to try it.As for me, it's about what I'm trying to get out of the run. Throwing down some simple carbs/sugars before a run can cause a bit of an insulin spike that will prime your body to burn primarily glycogen instead of fat. For high intensity efforts that's great, as that's what your body will be relying on anyway. For most of my training runs I'm trying to build my aerobic/fat burning systems, so I don't have anything other than coffee with some coconut milk. If I do eat (like on race day), I'll try and do it 2-3 hours before so I top off my glycogen stores but my insulin levels have time to come back down before the race starts.

 

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