Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Is that the St. Jude marathon? The nice thing about meeting for a shorter race is it can more easily fit in with people's training schedules.
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Ran a 10k in June (8 Viewers)
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sho nuff
Footballguy
gruecd
Footballguy
Yeah, I think that's pretty much dead. I'm still tentatively planning on doing the half in Naperville in September, so it sounds like quite a few of us will end up being there.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Don't plan anything around me. If our Chicago friends move to Cleveland as they want to we probably won't be doing a long weekend there next summer. Do what works best for you guys and if I can make it work, great. Spring may be an interesting play though, they are both teachers as is my wife. Maybe a Spring race will link up with their Spring breaks?
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worrierking
Footballguy
Amazon, Zappos and running warehouse. Amazon and running warehouse freqeuntly have last year's model shoes for discounted prices, which is my usual cheap method.
I am looking at some Mizuno Wave Creations from two years ago for $79.00 right now.
I am looking at some Mizuno Wave Creations from two years ago for $79.00 right now.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Nope, definitely not in the Chi-town urea but wouldn't mind getting together with some of you guys for a race one day. Gonna be tough to do anytime too soon as we have a new baby. I do have a race in Northern VA in september and wouldn't mind traveling as far as NC or DC for the right race.
koby925
Footballguy
Thanks. I like supporting the local running stores, but unless and until I get in good with a local shop, their prices are just too high. Mizuno Wave Precision 13s for $84 with 2 day free shipping on Amazon Prime.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I've bought from Running Warehouse several times and never had a problem. Good prices, no sales tax and free two-day shipping.
Just bought these for $100 after getting fitted at the Naperville Running Club that Juxt pointed me to. Thought it would be a bush league move to go in there and have the poor guy fit me and let me try on 6 different pairs of shoes and not give them a sale so i can save $15. Going for my first run in them tonight.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
One of my wife's best friends lives in Va Beach ...she was just down there visiting. Next time I get down there with her to see the couple, I'll be sure to let you know and we'll catch a run!
koby925
Footballguy
Agreed. When I find a place I like, I'll probably do the same. Place I went to in PA would give me a discount because the owner ran with us but not as cheap as Amazon. But I'll gladly pay more for the local store presence, being able to go somewhere to shoot the bull and get advice, plus they gave me a singlet and samples of things like KT tape and recovery drinks, etc. over the course of a couple years.
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Hang 10
Footballguy
Another vote for runningwarehouse, especially if you really like a shoe that's about to be discontinued since they have them on clearance sometimes.
I lived in Chicago from 2006-2009 and had a few races on my list that I never ran or made it on my "redeem" list. I had a bad race the one year I ran Shamrock but thought the congestion was decent if you were in one of the seeded corrals. (A-D). I think Soldier's Field 10-miler is a good one too, but I never ran that one. I might be able to make it to the Chicago half in September too, but it would be right after our move and I would still have to get healthy first.
Hang - I didn't know you were in that area. How far are you from DC? My sister still lives back in MD, so I might visit during next year's RnR USA (dc) or Cherry Blossom 10.
Mac - seems like you got a pretty good race schedule lined up and the frequency (every 2-3 weeks) look pretty good as well. Good luck!
Koby - like I said before, with your talent and where you are now, sub-17 should be automatic with 4-6 weeks of consistent training. How close are you to turning 40? Seems like you could collect some serious hardware if you can manage to get a moderate amount of consistent training.
I lived in Chicago from 2006-2009 and had a few races on my list that I never ran or made it on my "redeem" list. I had a bad race the one year I ran Shamrock but thought the congestion was decent if you were in one of the seeded corrals. (A-D). I think Soldier's Field 10-miler is a good one too, but I never ran that one. I might be able to make it to the Chicago half in September too, but it would be right after our move and I would still have to get healthy first.
Hang - I didn't know you were in that area. How far are you from DC? My sister still lives back in MD, so I might visit during next year's RnR USA (dc) or Cherry Blossom 10.
Mac - seems like you got a pretty good race schedule lined up and the frequency (every 2-3 weeks) look pretty good as well. Good luck!
Koby - like I said before, with your talent and where you are now, sub-17 should be automatic with 4-6 weeks of consistent training. How close are you to turning 40? Seems like you could collect some serious hardware if you can manage to get a moderate amount of consistent training.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Sand
Footballguy
He's been running instead of riding, but despite that rolled in after 7:40 or so. Beastly to ride that on such little training.Been there, done that
Sand - Nice ride in the hills! Holy hell there are some climbs in there! I don't know squat about the bikes but I got the hills & the times and know that's an impressive ride. Nice job man! How'd the old grumpy dude fair, err BnB?
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Juxtatarot said:
I have absolutely no qualms about using Best Buy and other big boxes as a showroom for Amazon, but stores that cater to runners usually have good customer service, and you'd have to be kind of a tool to take up their time and not toss a sale their way. It's worth the extra $15-$20 for as rarely as most of us change shoes.
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10 x 400 this morning before work. I was very slightly slower than last week (<:01 per repeat) but that's fine. 1:42, 1:39, 1:39, 1:39, 1:39, 1:38, 1:39, 1:39, 1:39, 1:38. I'm not blowing anybody away with my blistering speed, but you don't get much more consistent pacing than that.
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gruecd
Footballguy
Not to mention most specialty running store owners do it for the love of the sport, not to get rich. I'd argue that you're more than "kind of" a tool if you take up a bunch of their time and then buy online. I think the term "d-bag" would definitely apply.Good to see that most of you guys get it.
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beer 302
Footballguy
Just ordered from Amazon, typically use Road Runner Sports but I'm not loyal to anyone other than the guys with the best deal when it comes to online. For instance, these shoes, I check out Road Runner and they have them for $69. Google them and Amazon has them for $67 shipping form Road Runner Sports. Amazon winskoby925 said:
I'm the same. If they're going to put in the time I'll buy their shoes. Only time this backfired, went and got fitted a few months ago but because they really weren't New Balance reps they didn't have a shoe that fit my need. Dude flat out told me he didn't have anything he could put me in so I went online and found some shoes based on what they told me but I felt bad about it. I do buy all my ancillary stuff there so I don't feel too bad nad have purchased shoes from them in the past but it still didn't feel right.Annyong said:
worrierking
Footballguy
DHock, I have no experience with their training plans for shorter races, but I do not like their half and full plans. They are basically just computer-generated programs based on what you input as far as current mileage, goal mileage and number of days per week you want to train.dhockster said:
They might be better for 10k training, but if it were me I would probably look to a Hal Higdon plan or something similar. What's the current 10k time you need? I got in last year with a 10k I ran specifically to qualify. I couldn't run the actual race due to an injury but was able to defer the entry to 2014. If I finish this one I will be grandfathered in (five Houston Marathons completed).
dhockster
Footballguy
I need a 51:08. I ran a 53:15 about 2 months ago and recently ran a 22:45 5K. Based on that I should qualify pretty easily but I am nervous about keeping a faster pace up for the whole 10K. I also can't find a 10K race in Houston until late August, so a six week training program would be nice to make sure I am still am in good shape when I have to qualify.Hang 10 said:
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2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
I totally agree with shopping local as a "give back" for what these guys do for the running community. I am VERY lucky to have one of the metro-Detroit Hanson's Running Stores blocks from my house. Keith and Kevin (of the Brooks/Hanson's Project). Do free runs, with awards, for the kids out of their own pocket and things like Xmas light runs where they bring in pop and pizza after. As part of the project, they pay the way for the runners (housing, food, etc). I return, their runners staff the stores. Clint Verran sold my daughter her first pair of running shoes (on discounted cross country night) and my son was fitted by a guy with a 5K PR in the 14s. Chances are, if you have opportunities to run quality events in your area, its due in large part to your local running stores.Not to mention most specialty running store owners do it for the love of the sport, not to get rich. I'd argue that you're more than "kind of" a tool if you take up a bunch of their time and then buy online. I think the term "d-bag" would definitely apply.Good to see that most of you guys get it.
I will be 39 at the end of September. I don't know, since I've been racing again the 40-44 age group always seems to be the most consistently competitive.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Pretty much the same on shoes.
Though, the "local" place for me is really not all that close.
So I don't go often.
Every couple of years now I plan on going to make sure my form is still about the same. Have them fit me again and make sure nothing has changed.
Buy a pair or two depending on my needs at the time.
Then replace and buy backups online in the next year or so til I go back.
I really wish there was one a bit more convenient to where I live.
Though, the "local" place for me is really not all that close.
So I don't go often.
Every couple of years now I plan on going to make sure my form is still about the same. Have them fit me again and make sure nothing has changed.
Buy a pair or two depending on my needs at the time.
Then replace and buy backups online in the next year or so til I go back.
I really wish there was one a bit more convenient to where I live.
Yeah he seems to be about where I'm at with the 5k and i am expecting to run a sub 48minute 10k on 7/20
Hang 10
Footballguy
Since folks have been talking about race predictors lately, I plugged your 5k into runners world race predictor and it says you're going to run a 47:25 10k.
I think that's not unrealistic at all. Hell, you should just go out and try to do six miles in 50 minutes for a tempo run. Don't underestimate yourself.
dhockster
Footballguy
Thanks for the positive thoughts. I just may take your advice.Since folks have been talking about race predictors lately, I plugged your 5k into runners world race predictor and it says you're going to run a 47:25 10k.
I think that's not unrealistic at all. Hell, you should just go out and try to do six miles in 50 minutes for a tempo run. Don't underestimate yourself.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Since folks have been talking about race predictors lately, I plugged your 5k into runners world race predictor and it says you're going to run a 47:25 10k.
I think that's not unrealistic at all. Hell, you should just go out and try to do six miles in 50 minutes for a tempo run. Don't underestimate yourself.
I didn't bother looking it up on a calculator, but it's really obvious that somebody who runs a 22:45 5K should be able to crush 50 minutes in the 10K. That's a super-conservative goal.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
If my local store is a few bucks more I will buy it there. However in the case of my lone peaks they were 25 bucks cheaper online. Sorry, but that is their fault not mine that their price was so high.That being said I obviously throw enough business the local store's way since I just received a nice reward from them.Not to mention most specialty running store owners do it for the love of the sport, not to get rich. I'd argue that you're more than "kind of" a tool if you take up a bunch of their time and then buy online. I think the term "d-bag" would definitely apply.Good to see that most of you guys get it.
Sean / Ivan - nice 400s sessions (especially impressed with the consistent and gradual increase on Ivan's). Looks like you guys are ready to cash in on that speed work in some of the shorter races.
Koby - I knew you weren't there yet but just thought it would be an interesting challenge for a couple of years down the line. I was just chatting with a friend the other day about the ridiculousness of the masters scene and there really isn't that much of a drop off from the open field. My friend is 23 an finished right next to someone twice his age on Saturday, and I told him there was a 46-47 year old that ran low-2:20s, not to mention a lot of the current elites like Meb Keflegizhi and Bernard Lagat are turning 40 in a couple of years. It seems like while there are some fast masters, the depth isn't as strong as the open competition. For example, look at results of the recent USA 8k masters champs where i feel you have a good chance of finishing top 5-10 even with just a couple of months of consistent training (granted not everyone shows up for these things, but still something cool to do id a race near you wins the bid to host it) http://www.usatf.org/Events---Calendar/2013/USA-Masters-8-km-Championship/Results/Overall.aspx
Koby - I knew you weren't there yet but just thought it would be an interesting challenge for a couple of years down the line. I was just chatting with a friend the other day about the ridiculousness of the masters scene and there really isn't that much of a drop off from the open field. My friend is 23 an finished right next to someone twice his age on Saturday, and I told him there was a 46-47 year old that ran low-2:20s, not to mention a lot of the current elites like Meb Keflegizhi and Bernard Lagat are turning 40 in a couple of years. It seems like while there are some fast masters, the depth isn't as strong as the open competition. For example, look at results of the recent USA 8k masters champs where i feel you have a good chance of finishing top 5-10 even with just a couple of months of consistent training (granted not everyone shows up for these things, but still something cool to do id a race near you wins the bid to host it) http://www.usatf.org/Events---Calendar/2013/USA-Masters-8-km-Championship/Results/Overall.aspx
Dhockster - there is no way you shouldn't be under 50 minutes comfortably unless you run less than 10-15 miles a week and do no other cardio. I am on the road and don't have access to my training log, but if you want to have a more comfortable race experience I would say a schedule like below would work well.
Week 1 - 4x1 mile at goal pace with 400m jog/rest in between
Week 2 - 5x1 mile at goal race pace with 400m jog/rest in between
Week 3 - 3x1.5 mile at goal race pace with 400m jog/rest
Week 4 - 4x1.5 mile at goal race pace with 400m jog/rest
Week 5 - 3x2mi or 2x3mi at goal pace with 400m jog/rest. (Can even take 600m rest, or 800m if you do 2x3mi)
Week 6 - 2x1mi at race pace with full recovery about 3-4 days out to get a feel for the pace without tiring you out.
If you aren't running long runs at this point, you probably don't want to (or need to) push it. Maybe do 6 miles the first weekend and build up to a 9 mile run. Just don't do anything too hard too close to the race and don't hurt yourself and you should be fine.
Week 1 - 4x1 mile at goal pace with 400m jog/rest in between
Week 2 - 5x1 mile at goal race pace with 400m jog/rest in between
Week 3 - 3x1.5 mile at goal race pace with 400m jog/rest
Week 4 - 4x1.5 mile at goal race pace with 400m jog/rest
Week 5 - 3x2mi or 2x3mi at goal pace with 400m jog/rest. (Can even take 600m rest, or 800m if you do 2x3mi)
Week 6 - 2x1mi at race pace with full recovery about 3-4 days out to get a feel for the pace without tiring you out.
If you aren't running long runs at this point, you probably don't want to (or need to) push it. Maybe do 6 miles the first weekend and build up to a 9 mile run. Just don't do anything too hard too close to the race and don't hurt yourself and you should be fine.
dhockster
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
A humid 7/4 for me yesterday.
The 4 at pace are coming down closer to where I was before the hernia.
Mostly just getting myself ready to go about 45s per mile - 1 min per mile faster than what my niece is predicting for her pace for Memphis. Going to pace her and be ready to up the pace if she is feeling ok and keep her feeling alright.
She is worried about her running endurance...though, as a swimmer she has quite a bit of endurance...but a bit different since she does not have as much time to run quite as much as I do.
The 4 at pace are coming down closer to where I was before the hernia.
Mostly just getting myself ready to go about 45s per mile - 1 min per mile faster than what my niece is predicting for her pace for Memphis. Going to pace her and be ready to up the pace if she is feeling ok and keep her feeling alright.
She is worried about her running endurance...though, as a swimmer she has quite a bit of endurance...but a bit different since she does not have as much time to run quite as much as I do.
17seconds
root of all aliai
Signed up for a half in October. Will be my first distance race in a year but I've been doing 20-25 miles a week during the downtime. I want to go for a PR because it's a flat course I've done before and the weather should be perfect.
Starting a Pfitz type of program over 15 weeks, topping out at 50mi/wk.
I do have an issue near the end of the cycle though. I'm going all the way to Thailand for the week that's 2 weeks before race week. I'll return 2 weeks before the race, but that trip kills 2 weekends completely and while I'm there it will probably be treadmill only. When I get back I'll be jetlagged for a few days. So we're talking 11 days being affected. This would normally be the pinnacle of training before starting the taper. How would you plan to handle something like that? Make Thailand a week of speed workouts with lower miles, do a hard week when I get back and then only taper during race week? Or make Thailand a recovery week, then a normal week, then taper race week? Or do a long 3-week taper?
Starting a Pfitz type of program over 15 weeks, topping out at 50mi/wk.
I do have an issue near the end of the cycle though. I'm going all the way to Thailand for the week that's 2 weeks before race week. I'll return 2 weeks before the race, but that trip kills 2 weekends completely and while I'm there it will probably be treadmill only. When I get back I'll be jetlagged for a few days. So we're talking 11 days being affected. This would normally be the pinnacle of training before starting the taper. How would you plan to handle something like that? Make Thailand a week of speed workouts with lower miles, do a hard week when I get back and then only taper during race week? Or make Thailand a recovery week, then a normal week, then taper race week? Or do a long 3-week taper?
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
Whats the distance, whats her longest run ever and whats her longest run in this training cycle? I have been way run heavy since late last fall in prep for a 5K swim in August and my run training is down quite a bit. Endurance swimming (hour+ swims) have really done wonders for my heart rate/stamina, while I am not seeing really any running drop off. In fact, I ran a trail 1/2 almost 10 minutes faster than last year and just ran a 5K PR by over a minute. I think you can probably push her to the point of staying conversational based on swim stamina and her legs should be able to hang on.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Its for a half in December...so she has plenty of time...not quite sure what her long run is yet (she is in Memphis training with my SIL who is also running the half...but at a slower run/walk pace)
She is basically swimming year round for school and then Summer club program.
And yeah, Im going to keep it at a conversational pace and just keep assessing where she is. Thankfully I know the course from running the full last year...so that will aide me in helping her out.
Just went for my first ever night run starting at like 10pm. Due to my wife's work schedule (3 nights a week until 10pm) It's sometimes hard for me to find time to get out considering we have 2 kids under 20 months old. I've been itching to try out my new shoes and Garmin so I went tonight. I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. I left the music at home and it was actually a peaceful run and enjoyed the sounds of the neighborhood.
Next step is actually waking up for a run before work (leave at 5:30am) since I bet it's a very similar experience.
Next step is actually waking up for a run before work (leave at 5:30am) since I bet it's a very similar experience.
koby925
Footballguy
Yikes. NOW I see why you think having more than 2 kids is crazy. Our first 2 are 21 months apart and I thought that was really close. Number 2 and 3 for us will have a 27 month gap. Still 3 kids under 4, though.
beer 302
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
How'd you like the shoes?
gruecd
Footballguy
gruecd
Footballguy
8 disgustingly muggy pre-work miles this morning. Squishy shoe season is now fully upon us. I've got two pairs of shoes currently in the rotation, and they're going back and forth between the road and my shoe dryer. Love that thing.
Mizuno Wave Precision 13
Compared to my Frees they are like running on clouds. Big difference in penis cushion. Only went on a 3 miler so Ill get a better idea this weekend when i got 10+. Has quite a large drop (am i using that term correctly) which makes me feel like i heel strike more than i would want to, but it was dark and I'm not used to running in them.
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