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So back to stroller running. Ive been looking at jogging stroller with the 3 wheel dealies. I notice fixed wheel and ones that offer a swivel option. How in the hell would you turn with a fixed wheel? Cant be safe to tilt that sucker back and turn, or is that the preferred method?

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Great job everyone!

EX2 Off Road Half Marathon - Quantico VA

My first ever trail race half. To set it up a bit, I'm from Va beach...probably the flattest place on the planet, so running a trail race with a buncha single track, rocky, rooty up and downhill paths was quite a new experience. Friends tell me this race is probably your best half + 20 minutes. Anything under 2 hours is a win.

The race starts out straight down hill a paved road and and right back up after you turn around a cone (kinda a lame start to a great race) for the first .6 and then right into the trails. You can really tell the people that train on this course by the way they attack the downhills. We start down a single track path and I'm amazed at how my natural instinct is to tip toe down and dudes are flying flat out with reckless abandon. My first mile is pretty fast for the course...7:05. We continue downhill to a valley next to a creek that is pretty technical...rocks, roots everywhere. I try to settle in a bit at around a 7:30. The next mile is a real eye opener when we have a very steep incline switch back...I get to the top and damn, I'm winded...run down hill and I'm still sucking air. The one saving grace was that my fitness level was decent enough that when the trail flattened out, I sped up and my heart rate seemed to settle down. The next couple miles are up and down and it's like a freight train of guys behind me running breathing down my neck. Guys are slipping, falling and finally letting guys pass. It was quite intense. Averaging right around 8's for this stretch.

At around the 6 mile point I'm feeling the hills on my legs but overall all pretty good. At this point, I ask guy near me if this pace is sustainable...immediately we run up the steepest hill of the day...I got my answer...NO. These hills kicked my ###. Still, I'm managing to pick the pace right back up when I hit the flat and down hill spots. Feeling pretty good when I get to 8 and still averaging from 8 to 8:30...it's hard by I'm hanging in there. At mile 10.5, it's starts to get a bit sketching. I go to bound up hill over some rocks and roots and I feel a sharp pain in my calf...uh oh....a quarter mile later it's in my other calf...a half of mile later it's in my quad. 2 miles left and I'm worried my legs are going to lock up. I fight through the aches and pains and the last mile is straight up hill...sonava#####. Finish the last mile with a 9:40. Overall time was 1:52:30. Not sure my exact placing but I'm pretty sure I was around 20th out of 250 to 300. Pretty proud of the result as it was way out of my comfort zone.

Side note, went this 3 other guys, two of which have done this race 5+ times. We had a bet, whoever finished last paid the bar tab today...I finished 1 out of 4 and four spent quite a bit of money today. :banned:
This sounds like a lot of fun, but I think the chokepoints and having people right behind me in technical spots would really bug me. I can definitely see how trail guys enjoy this sort of thing by themselves though.
It was a bit unnerving running single track down hill with people right on my heels but looking back it was pretty damn cool. I mean, you are seriously going to jack your face up if you fall downhill on this terrain. It was also at a point in the race that I wouldn't have minded slowing down a bit but that wasn't really an option. There was literally no room for someone to run by you. Eventually, I slipped a bit and found a spot to let a guy pass me but it was a helluva ride while it lasted.

 
So back to stroller running. Ive been looking at jogging stroller with the 3 wheel dealies. I notice fixed wheel and ones that offer a swivel option. How in the hell would you turn with a fixed wheel? Cant be safe to tilt that sucker back and turn, or is that the preferred method?
BOB strollers are awesome for running. Our single is a BOB and I love it. Really only slows you down 20-30 seconds per mile on a distance run. Our double is a Baby Jogger or something and I can run with it, especially if I run along my wife at 9-10 minute mile pace, but it's tough to manuever.

Back to your question, yes the fixed wheel has to be locked or it will shake all over when you run. The stroller will still turn with the fixed wheel, it just takes more effort for you to guide it and turn it. And if you are running the paces you do, the momentum of your pace will make turns easier. My analogy would be push mower vs propeller mower.

 
Hang10 - what I've done in recent trail races: When I sense someone is on my tail and due to pass, I call over my shoulder "tell me when." Sometimes they choose to stay behind; sometimes they aren't quite ready to pass (maybe they expended effort to catch up); sometimes they do call for a pass. I'd do this later in races when it's generally a single runner behind me (and when I have less energy to work hard and stay ahead of the group that's behind).

 
SFBayDuck said:
worrierking said:
Wow, what a weekend! Where do I start?

Ned and Para, awesome miles. Great stuff.

Annyong, great race. That was your first half? Really strong. Oh, and Penis!

Koby and Mac. Holy ### you guys are fast. Let me join the chorus of those who think you have a17:00 in your future Mac. Nice Job both of you.

Juxt, anyone who can go sub 90 minutes is smoking. great job. Cool that you and Tri-man met up.

Hang 10., Sounds like a very fun race. Nice job on the placement and especially a nice job on making the fourth place guy pay up!

Grue, so sorry to hear about the DNF. You will get back to Boston.

I ran 21 Saturday, six Sunday and ten at MP this morning. I am stiff and sore, I may take tomorrow off. This should be my peak week before taper, but everything has been thrown off, so I don't know where my milege will end up. 60+, I hope.
I love when I come in here on Monday after not being able to keep up through the weekend and not only see a bunch of great results, race reports, and training....but then somebody sums them all up in one post and I can just give it a big 'ole :goodposting:
:goodposting:
Hard to keep up with everything, but this was an awesome weekend. Adding in 2Y's kid!

And adding in the KOM I snagged this weekend! It is a seriously tough thing to grab a KOM around here that 215 folks have recorded times for. Particularly considering we have a couple pro caliber guys here. I'm seriously pumped about nabbing that. :boxing:

Took yesterday off, but am back on the horse with a nice 6 mile run at lunch. Or, really, 5.5 miles @ 8:35 with a few strides thrown in for good suffering measure.

 
So back to stroller running. Ive been looking at jogging stroller with the 3 wheel dealies. I notice fixed wheel and ones that offer a swivel option. How in the hell would you turn with a fixed wheel? Cant be safe to tilt that sucker back and turn, or is that the preferred method?
I've used both. Fixed >>>> Swivel. Hate our swivel. We only use it for walks around the block now.

 
Hang10 - what I've done in recent trail races: When I sense someone is on my tail and due to pass, I call over my shoulder "tell me when." Sometimes they choose to stay behind; sometimes they aren't quite ready to pass (maybe they expended effort to catch up); sometimes they do call for a pass. I'd do this later in races when it's generally a single runner behind me (and when I have less energy to work hard and stay ahead of the group that's behind).
That's some sage advise there. I've only run a couple of trail races and haven't had to deal with being passed too much but that's a helpful strategy instead of trying to figure out when the best time is to try and get small.

Hang10, although trial running is probably what put me on the shelf for so long the whole reason I'm trying to get back is to be able to run trails again. Nothing more enjoyable IMO.

And adding in the KOM I snagged this weekend! It is a seriously tough thing to grab a KOM around here that 215 folks have recorded times for. Particularly considering we have a couple pro caliber guys here. I'm seriously pumped about nabbing that. :boxing:
Took yesterday off, but am back on the horse with a nice 6 mile run at lunch. Or, really, 5.5 miles @ 8:35 with a few strides thrown in for good suffering measure.
Kind of glossed over that with all the racing going on here this weekend. That's pretty impressive given what I know of your area from posts and the talent around you. How long does that title usually last before someone else nabs it? Or does it not work that way? I have no idea.

 
And adding in the KOM I snagged this weekend! It is a seriously tough thing to grab a KOM around here that 215 folks have recorded times for. Particularly considering we have a couple pro caliber guys here. I'm seriously pumped about nabbing that. :boxing:
Took yesterday off, but am back on the horse with a nice 6 mile run at lunch. Or, really, 5.5 miles @ 8:35 with a few strides thrown in for good suffering measure.
Kind of glossed over that with all the racing going on here this weekend. That's pretty impressive given what I know of your area from posts and the talent around you. How long does that title usually last before someone else nabs it? Or does it not work that way? I have no idea.
I'm tied with a couple other times that have stood since 2011. So it may last a while. Funny about that KOM - rode with that group of death (super strong group of guys) and right before the turn to that road I drifted back behind them and then flew past them as we started (they said I attacked - I just say they were loafing :D ). I figured those guys were gone. I look back and like Pavlov's dog they can't help themselves and are killing themselves to stay on my wheel. From there it was an all out group sprint. So much fun.

 
So back to stroller running. Ive been looking at jogging stroller with the 3 wheel dealies. I notice fixed wheel and ones that offer a swivel option. How in the hell would you turn with a fixed wheel? Cant be safe to tilt that sucker back and turn, or is that the preferred method?
I've used both. Fixed >>>> Swivel. Hate our swivel. We only use it for walks around the block now.
So those are easy to turn?

 
So back to stroller running. Ive been looking at jogging stroller with the 3 wheel dealies. I notice fixed wheel and ones that offer a swivel option. How in the hell would you turn with a fixed wheel? Cant be safe to tilt that sucker back and turn, or is that the preferred method?
I've used both. Fixed >>>> Swivel. Hate our swivel. We only use it for walks around the block now.
So those are easy to turn?
Just don't make any sharp turns at a good clip and you'll be fine.

 
And adding in the KOM I snagged this weekend! It is a seriously tough thing to grab a KOM around here that 215 folks have recorded times for. Particularly considering we have a couple pro caliber guys here. I'm seriously pumped about nabbing that. :boxing:
Took yesterday off, but am back on the horse with a nice 6 mile run at lunch. Or, really, 5.5 miles @ 8:35 with a few strides thrown in for good suffering measure.
Kind of glossed over that with all the racing going on here this weekend. That's pretty impressive given what I know of your area from posts and the talent around you. How long does that title usually last before someone else nabs it? Or does it not work that way? I have no idea.
I'm tied with a couple other times that have stood since 2011. So it may last a while. Funny about that KOM - rode with that group of death (super strong group of guys) and right before the turn to that road I drifted back behind them and then flew past them as we started (they said I attacked - I just say they were loafing :D ). I figured those guys were gone. I look back and like Pavlov's dog they can't help themselves and are killing themselves to stay on my wheel. From there it was an all out group sprint. So much fun.
Cool stuff, Sand!

 
And adding in the KOM I snagged this weekend! It is a seriously tough thing to grab a KOM around here that 215 folks have recorded times for. Particularly considering we have a couple pro caliber guys here. I'm seriously pumped about nabbing that. :boxing:
Took yesterday off, but am back on the horse with a nice 6 mile run at lunch. Or, really, 5.5 miles @ 8:35 with a few strides thrown in for good suffering measure.
Kind of glossed over that with all the racing going on here this weekend. That's pretty impressive given what I know of your area from posts and the talent around you. How long does that title usually last before someone else nabs it? Or does it not work that way? I have no idea.
I'm tied with a couple other times that have stood since 2011. So it may last a while. Funny about that KOM - rode with that group of death (super strong group of guys) and right before the turn to that road I drifted back behind them and then flew past them as we started (they said I attacked - I just say they were loafing :D ). I figured those guys were gone. I look back and like Pavlov's dog they can't help themselves and are killing themselves to stay on my wheel. From there it was an all out group sprint. So much fun.
Sounds like fun. Glad to hear the bike is treating you well.

 
And adding in the KOM I snagged this weekend! It is a seriously tough thing to grab a KOM around here that 215 folks have recorded times for. Particularly considering we have a couple pro caliber guys here. I'm seriously pumped about nabbing that. :boxing:
Took yesterday off, but am back on the horse with a nice 6 mile run at lunch. Or, really, 5.5 miles @ 8:35 with a few strides thrown in for good suffering measure.
Kind of glossed over that with all the racing going on here this weekend. That's pretty impressive given what I know of your area from posts and the talent around you. How long does that title usually last before someone else nabs it? Or does it not work that way? I have no idea.
I'm tied with a couple other times that have stood since 2011. So it may last a while. Funny about that KOM - rode with that group of death (super strong group of guys) and right before the turn to that road I drifted back behind them and then flew past them as we started (they said I attacked - I just say they were loafing :D ). I figured those guys were gone. I look back and like Pavlov's dog they can't help themselves and are killing themselves to stay on my wheel. From there it was an all out group sprint. So much fun.
Sounds like fun. Glad to hear the bike is treating you well.
That was on the roadie. I wonder what time I could have posted with the tri bike.

 
So much great stuff in here.

Ned, Congrats on the PR (and the 58 miles). You are a machine..

Annyong, great half penis.

Mac, you are fast. So fun to read about strategies when they actually involve competing for a win.

Grue, hang tough, GB. You are an inspiration to many of us, regardless of this weekend's disappointment. Still hope to run Boston with you someday.

2Y2BB - congrats to your son. He is going to have a great season.

My high school dad report, my son's next race since winning his first JV race is today, going up against the 5-time defending conference champion. They are a machine, ranked #2 in The Baltimore Sun's regional poll of all schools, public and private. His only mission is to try to finish 3rd and not allow the opponent to clinch the race by sweeping places 1-2-3. That's going to be real tough, would almost certainly require him to break 20:00 for the first time and that might not be enough. But it will be fun to see him try. His first two timed 5Ks were on 90-degree days on his school's brutal home course - it's cool today and it's an away meet so this should be a nice PR day regardless of what happens.

 
Good luck Little_The_Man !!

So since running is my new hobby, I feel like I annoy the hell out of my friends and family with trying to get them run races with me, telling them about my races, etc... I think I'm turning into that guy at work who tells everyone about his fantasy football team. I gotta learn to shut my mouth.

 
Latest news for Boston registrations: I read that they have about 5,000 slots for the 'regular' qualifiers this week. The BQ-20, -10, and -5 groups last week each took about 5-6,000 slots, so it's not looking good for registration to continue into next week. It would be helpful to at least know before my race on Sunday.
I agree it doesn't look good, but I hope it somehow works out for you, tri-man. I know how badly you want it.I thought I wanted it pretty badly, too, but looking back, I'm not so sure. I can come up with a dozen excuses why things didn't go my way on Sunday, and I'm sure all of them did contribute, but the bottom line is that I just wasn't ready physically or mentally for that kind of effort. Once the race started, it didn't take long at all for me to realize that I was working way too hard for the pace that I was running; I know some of you (Ned) like to use a HRM, but having run 20 marathons, I can just tell. I started falling off my goal pace towards the end of the first lap, and after just a few more miles, I accepted the reality that it wasn't going to happen. At that point, I lost all motivation to keep going, and I just quit. :shrug:

I'm not sure what's next for me. There's a decent possibility that I'll still get into Boston via my contact at John Hancock, but I'm honestly not even sure I care that much anymore. I'm just worn out mentally, and I need a break. I was planning on running Madison in November, but I'm already in the process of transferring that bib to someone on their waiting list. I need to take some time, re-boot, and just run for the sake of running. I'm looking forward to hitting the trails this fall. I'll still do the 50K next month, and I'm looking at an 8-hour timed event (10K trail loop) in November.

If I get into Boston, great. If I don't, then I guess it wasn't meant to be. I just know that I really need to stop connecting so much of my self worth to my success as a runner. It's not good for me.

 
My high school dad report, my son's next race since winning his first JV race is today, going up against the 5-time defending conference champion. They are a machine, ranked #2 in The Baltimore Sun's regional poll of all schools, public and private. His only mission is to try to finish 3rd and not allow the opponent to clinch the race by sweeping places 1-2-3. That's going to be real tough, would almost certainly require him to break 20:00 for the first time and that might not be enough. But it will be fun to see him try. His first two timed 5Ks were on 90-degree days on his school's brutal home course - it's cool today and it's an away meet so this should be a nice PR day regardless of what happens.
Awesome! He's going to smash a PR in this weather. This weather is insane!

Good luck Little_The_Man !!

So since running is my new hobby, I feel like I annoy the hell out of my friends and family with trying to get them run races with me, telling them about my races, etc... I think I'm turning into that guy at work who tells everyone about his fantasy football team. I gotta learn to shut my mouth.
:lmao: So friggin' true. I just go about it assuming everyone doesn't give a crap. Insert this thread....

 
I agree it doesn't look good, but I hope it somehow works out for you, tri-man. I know how badly you want it.I thought I wanted it pretty badly, too, but looking back, I'm not so sure. I can come up with a dozen excuses why things didn't go my way on Sunday, and I'm sure all of them did contribute, but the bottom line is that I just wasn't ready physically or mentally for that kind of effort. Once the race started, it didn't take long at all for me to realize that I was working way too hard for the pace that I was running; I know some of you (Ned) like to use a HRM, but having run 20 marathons, I can just tell. I started falling off my goal pace towards the end of the first lap, and after just a few more miles, I accepted the reality that it wasn't going to happen. At that point, I lost all motivation to keep going, and I just quit. :shrug:

I'm not sure what's next for me. There's a decent possibility that I'll still get into Boston via my contact at John Hancock, but I'm honestly not even sure I care that much anymore. I'm just worn out mentally, and I need a break. I was planning on running Madison in November, but I'm already in the process of transferring that bib to someone on their waiting list. I need to take some time, re-boot, and just run for the sake of running. I'm looking forward to hitting the trails this fall. I'll still do the 50K next month, and I'm looking at an 8-hour timed event (10K trail loop) in November.

If I get into Boston, great. If I don't, then I guess it wasn't meant to be. I just know that I really need to stop connecting so much of my self worth to my success as a runner. It's not good for me.
This is where perspective comes into play, at least for me. There are millions of people out there that can't or won't ever do what you've accomplished. There's many of us in this very thread, me included, that would kill for your kind of talent. We all have our good/bad moments, but I try to reflect back to where I've come from when I have moments of doubt. Don't you have a pretty big weight loss success story that started this running thing? How would fatgrue see this grue?

I think a full reboot is needed. Hang'em up for a month or two and go do something you don't usually do. Screw running for now. Weren't you biking a bit last year? Maybe give that a shot again to keep the fitness in check. I remember you hating swimming (I don't blame you there).

:2cents:

 
Latest news for Boston registrations: I read that they have about 5,000 slots for the 'regular' qualifiers this week. The BQ-20, -10, and -5 groups last week each took about 5-6,000 slots, so it's not looking good for registration to continue into next week. It would be helpful to at least know before my race on Sunday.
I agree it doesn't look good, but I hope it somehow works out for you, tri-man. I know how badly you want it.I thought I wanted it pretty badly, too, but looking back, I'm not so sure. I can come up with a dozen excuses why things didn't go my way on Sunday, and I'm sure all of them did contribute, but the bottom line is that I just wasn't ready physically or mentally for that kind of effort. Once the race started, it didn't take long at all for me to realize that I was working way too hard for the pace that I was running; I know some of you (Ned) like to use a HRM, but having run 20 marathons, I can just tell. I started falling off my goal pace towards the end of the first lap, and after just a few more miles, I accepted the reality that it wasn't going to happen. At that point, I lost all motivation to keep going, and I just quit. :shrug:

I'm not sure what's next for me. There's a decent possibility that I'll still get into Boston via my contact at John Hancock, but I'm honestly not even sure I care that much anymore. I'm just worn out mentally, and I need a break. I was planning on running Madison in November, but I'm already in the process of transferring that bib to someone on their waiting list. I need to take some time, re-boot, and just run for the sake of running. I'm looking forward to hitting the trails this fall. I'll still do the 50K next month, and I'm looking at an 8-hour timed event (10K trail loop) in November.

If I get into Boston, great. If I don't, then I guess it wasn't meant to be. I just know that I really need to stop connecting so much of my self worth to my success as a runner. It's not good for me.
Maybe you are just putting too much unnecessary pressure on yourself and worrying too much about things you can't control (like the weather). Just go out there, do your best and have some fun. Drink entirely too at the post race party. That's what I do.

 
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I think a full reboot is needed. Hang'em up for a month or two and go do something you don't usually do. Screw running for now. Weren't you biking a bit last year? Maybe give that a shot again to keep the fitness in check. I remember you hating swimming (I don't blame you there).
I don't think I need (or want) to quit running. I just need to quit training for a while. Like I said, I think I need to take some time and just RUN.

 
My high school dad report, my son's next race since winning his first JV race is today, going up against the 5-time defending conference champion. They are a machine, ranked #2 in The Baltimore Sun's regional poll of all schools, public and private. His only mission is to try to finish 3rd and not allow the opponent to clinch the race by sweeping places 1-2-3. That's going to be real tough, would almost certainly require him to break 20:00 for the first time and that might not be enough. But it will be fun to see him try. His first two timed 5Ks were on 90-degree days on his school's brutal home course - it's cool today and it's an away meet so this should be a nice PR day regardless of what happens.
:thumbup: Can't wait to hear the results. The combo of the change in weather, flatter land and the push from a highly competitive team should result in a huge PR drop. Any reward on the line for a sub 20?

 
That's a good thought, Grue. I agree and think I may need to employ the same strategy. Just RUN again. Not worry about training and how many miles I'm getting in a week, how many speed workouts I should or shouldn't be doing. If I feel good, I'm gonna run and maybe even run fast on a given day. If I don't, I'm gonna take a day off or run slow. And I am taking the plunge and joining my gym. I'm looking forward to the pool, bikes, yoga, rowers, UBE, weights. Hell, I may even get on the climbing wall. I think the other forms of activity are good for my sanity.

 
tri-man - Just in case you haven't already seen this: 7,500 More Submit Boston Marathon Entries
Yup, I saw. :kicksrock: :shrug: :cry: :banned:

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So I'm running a marathon on Sunday. Conditions should be great - overnight low near 50. Looking to PR the race and take an AG award.
:hifive:

You are going to kill that marathon. Can't wait to hear about it.

I am now targeting Boston 2017, the next time (after 2014) that the Marathon is on Easter Monday.

Getting 10 extra minutes from moving in to the 45+ age group by then, so I'll just need to match the 3:20 I ran last November to go from BQ +5 to BQ -5.

Hopefully my beloved mother-in-law will still be cooking incredible Easter dinners and living in my wife's childhood home at the foot of Heartbreak Hill then, because spending the weekend at her house and having the family come to the marathon is the main reason I want to do Boston.

Kind of pissed at myself for not getting it together to take a serious shot at 2014, but not much I can do about it now.

 
Kick ### tri!

On vacation at Hilton head island right now, didn't bring the bike so just running and having a down week.

Quarters yesterday, with 50 pushups between for the first 6, then 4 without. Kept roughly 6:15 pace. Then ran mile intervals today, easy/hard X3, 6:29, 6:24, 6:28 so at least I'm consistent.

 
Training for a marathon at the end of next month, my first ever. Got the long training run under my belt yesterday. 20 miles in 3 hours 40, certainly not going to win any awards but I've really struggled over the summer with the long runs in the heat so very happy to get to the 20 mile distance. Feeling it today though
Awesome -- good luck! Let us know how it goes.

 
Hopefully my beloved mother-in-law will still be cooking incredible Easter dinners and living in my wife's childhood home at the foot of Heartbreak Hill then, because spending the weekend at her house and having the family come to the marathon is the main reason I want to do Boston.
That would be pretty cool. :thumbup:
 
FYI, reading about all you bastards training for marathons isn't helping with my self-imposed respite from racing marathons... :rant:

 
Hopefully my beloved mother-in-law will still be cooking incredible Easter dinners and living in my wife's childhood home at the foot of Heartbreak Hill then, because spending the weekend at her house and having the family come to the marathon is the main reason I want to do Boston.
That would be pretty cool. :thumbup:
If I get my act together to run a BQ late in 2015 (or early in 2016), and she's still living there, I'll say right now that there will be Easter dinner at Nonna's house for all FBG Boston runners in 2017. The only problem will be trying not to eat too much the day before the race because her Italian food is the best I've ever eaten. Actually, fighting my son and brother-in-law for the leftover brijole might also be a problem.

 
If I get my act together to run a BQ late in 2015 (or early in 2016), and she's still living there, I'll say right now that there will be Easter dinner at Nonna's house for all FBG Boston runners in 2017. The only problem will be trying not to eat too much the day before the race because her Italian food is the best I've ever eaten. Actually, fighting my son and brother-in-law for the leftover brijole might also be a problem.
I'm holding you to this. :) P.S. I'll be 40 for the 2017 race, so it becomes 5 minutes easier for me to qualify for that one, too.

 
FYI, reading about all you bastards training for marathons isn't helping with my self-imposed respite from racing marathons... :rant:
If it helps, I've sworn off ever racing a marathon again (unless its after a swim and bike - and then its but really racing)

 
You guys need to take 8 minutes to watch this video: 2013 IRONMAN Wisconsin Race Day

It features my friend, Christian, and "Captain Mary." What he does leading the Wisconsin chapter of myTEAM TRIUMPH is super cool. Next year's Cellcom Green Bay Marathon will be the 10-year anniversary of my first marathon back in 2004, and I'm contemplating volunteering (and raising money) as an "Elite Angel" to push someone the entire 26.2 to allow him/her to experience it, too.

 
gruecd said:
You guys need to take 8 minutes to watch this video: 2013 IRONMAN Wisconsin Race Day

It features my friend, Christian, and "Captain Mary." What he does leading the Wisconsin chapter of myTEAM TRIUMPH is super cool. Next year's Cellcom Green Bay Marathon will be the 10-year anniversary of my first marathon back in 2004, and I'm contemplating volunteering (and raising money) as an "Elite Angel" to push someone the entire 26.2 to allow him/her to experience it, too.
That's pretty bad ###. I posted something like this on FB a while back. To me, this is why we run. I've never felt better than in the middle of a run helping out a fellow runner that might be struggling or lost or hitting that wall. I can't imagine the fulfillment of doing something like this with a "Captain Mary". Gotta be an awesome feeling.

I know the event you're talking about is next year but maybe something like this will get the juices flowing again grue? I'm sure there are plenty of opportunities around. Food for thought, thanks for the post!

 
So that was pretty cool. Nick (aka The_Boy, aka Little_The_Man) finished second, ran a 19:16 which is a PR by about 2 minutes, and his team pulled a big upset by taking 7 of the top 10 spots. Varsity lost, split the top 6 places, but then the next 3 or 4 guys were from the opponent (aka 5-time reigning conference champ).

Considering the tough course and conditions he's been running in, I thought he could break 20:00 but not by that much. He knew they had a tough 1-2-3, but are kind of weak after that, so his goal was to break up their top 3 and give his team a chance to win. His strategy was to stalk the lead pack through the first mile at least, hanging back as far as he could without losing them to conserve energy, let them do the work, and then pick off at least one of them in the race's second half.

As it turned out, the other team went out way too fast. Maybe they thought they could just run away from the field (we had been at a big invitational meet with them in late August where they blew us away, but Nick and our JV's #2 guy didn't run there), so their top 6 or 7 guys went out in a pack and blazed too fast through the first three-quarters of a mile. Nick hung back with a group of teammates for the first mile, then started to move up. In the second mile, he passed every one of their guys - who were fading hard - except one. I think he got a little excited then and put on a big surge to take the lead, but the other team's #1 guy absorbed it, and then turned it back on over the last half-mile or so and won by 5 or 10 seconds.

 
So that was pretty cool. Nick (aka The_Boy, aka Little_The_Man) finished second, ran a 19:16 which is a PR by about 2 minutes, and his team pulled a big upset by taking 7 of the top 10 spots. Varsity lost, split the top 6 places, but then the next 3 or 4 guys were from the opponent (aka 5-time reigning conference champ).

Considering the tough course and conditions he's been running in, I thought he could break 20:00 but not by that much. He knew they had a tough 1-2-3, but are kind of weak after that, so his goal was to break up their top 3 and give his team a chance to win. His strategy was to stalk the lead pack through the first mile at least, hanging back as far as he could without losing them to conserve energy, let them do the work, and then pick off at least one of them in the race's second half.

As it turned out, the other team went out way too fast. Maybe they thought they could just run away from the field (we had been at a big invitational meet with them in late August where they blew us away, but Nick and our JV's #2 guy didn't run there), so their top 6 or 7 guys went out in a pack and blazed too fast through the first three-quarters of a mile. Nick hung back with a group of teammates for the first mile, then started to move up. In the second mile, he passed every one of their guys - who were fading hard - except one. I think he got a little excited then and put on a big surge to take the lead, but the other team's #1 guy absorbed it, and then turned it back on over the last half-mile or so and won by 5 or 10 seconds.
NICE!! Incredible that he went from thinking about going sub 20 to zoning in on times in the 18s.

 
So that was pretty cool. Nick (aka The_Boy, aka Little_The_Man) finished second, ran a 19:16 which is a PR by about 2 minutes, and his team pulled a big upset by taking 7 of the top 10 spots. Varsity lost, split the top 6 places, but then the next 3 or 4 guys were from the opponent (aka 5-time reigning conference champ).

Considering the tough course and conditions he's been running in, I thought he could break 20:00 but not by that much. He knew they had a tough 1-2-3, but are kind of weak after that, so his goal was to break up their top 3 and give his team a chance to win. His strategy was to stalk the lead pack through the first mile at least, hanging back as far as he could without losing them to conserve energy, let them do the work, and then pick off at least one of them in the race's second half.

As it turned out, the other team went out way too fast. Maybe they thought they could just run away from the field (we had been at a big invitational meet with them in late August where they blew us away, but Nick and our JV's #2 guy didn't run there), so their top 6 or 7 guys went out in a pack and blazed too fast through the first three-quarters of a mile. Nick hung back with a group of teammates for the first mile, then started to move up. In the second mile, he passed every one of their guys - who were fading hard - except one. I think he got a little excited then and put on a big surge to take the lead, but the other team's #1 guy absorbed it, and then turned it back on over the last half-mile or so and won by 5 or 10 seconds.
NICE!! Incredible that he went from thinking about going sub 20 to zoning in on times in the 18s.
Conditions, conditions, conditions. :thumbup:
 
gruecd said:
You guys need to take 8 minutes to watch this video: 2013 IRONMAN Wisconsin Race Day

It features my friend, Christian, and "Captain Mary." What he does leading the Wisconsin chapter of myTEAM TRIUMPH is super cool. Next year's Cellcom Green Bay Marathon will be the 10-year anniversary of my first marathon back in 2004, and I'm contemplating volunteering (and raising money) as an "Elite Angel" to push someone the entire 26.2 to allow him/her to experience it, too.
Awesome. Heard lots of good things about IMMoo.

And, just because it is insanely awesome, watch this video (4 min.) from this weekends Tri World Championships. Unreal.

 
Ugh... Been sidelined with a brutal flu since the day after the race. Somehow either racing sick caused it to go nuke, or I caught something else from the crowd, but in any case I went from a cough to full blown flu with 103 degree fever and barely enough energy to stand up For more than 10 mins over the last 3 days.

Have soaked thru 5 changes of clothes today but it seems like the fever MAY be finally breaking. Cough still there but getting better. I never thought id be so eager to get off the couch and back to work :lol:

 
Ugh... Been sidelined with a brutal flu since the day after the race. Somehow either racing sick caused it to go nuke, or I caught something else from the crowd, but in any case I went from a cough to full blown flu with 103 degree fever and barely enough energy to stand up For more than 10 mins over the last 3 days.

Have soaked thru 5 changes of clothes today but it seems like the fever MAY be finally breaking. Cough still there but getting better. I never thought id be so eager to get off the couch and back to work :lol:
That sucks. Silver lining - you'll lose some weight! (yeah, I know that doesn't help)

 
gruecd said:
You guys need to take 8 minutes to watch this video: 2013 IRONMAN Wisconsin Race Day

It features my friend, Christian, and "Captain Mary." What he does leading the Wisconsin chapter of myTEAM TRIUMPH is super cool. Next year's Cellcom Green Bay Marathon will be the 10-year anniversary of my first marathon back in 2004, and I'm contemplating volunteering (and raising money) as an "Elite Angel" to push someone the entire 26.2 to allow him/her to experience it, too.
Good stuff, incredible really.

The Louisville video is pretty cool too

 
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Just bought a pair of Brooks Pureconnect2's. Anyone else try them? I'm tired as hell but I really want to try them out today. :excited:

 
Latest news for Boston registrations: I read that they have about 5,000 slots for the 'regular' qualifiers this week. The BQ-20, -10, and -5 groups last week each took about 5-6,000 slots, so it's not looking good for registration to continue into next week. It would be helpful to at least know before my race on Sunday.
I agree it doesn't look good, but I hope it somehow works out for you, tri-man. I know how badly you want it.I thought I wanted it pretty badly, too, but looking back, I'm not so sure. I can come up with a dozen excuses why things didn't go my way on Sunday, and I'm sure all of them did contribute, but the bottom line is that I just wasn't ready physically or mentally for that kind of effort. Once the race started, it didn't take long at all for me to realize that I was working way too hard for the pace that I was running; I know some of you (Ned) like to use a HRM, but having run 20 marathons, I can just tell. I started falling off my goal pace towards the end of the first lap, and after just a few more miles, I accepted the reality that it wasn't going to happen. At that point, I lost all motivation to keep going, and I just quit. :shrug:

I'm not sure what's next for me. There's a decent possibility that I'll still get into Boston via my contact at John Hancock, but I'm honestly not even sure I care that much anymore. I'm just worn out mentally, and I need a break. I was planning on running Madison in November, but I'm already in the process of transferring that bib to someone on their waiting list. I need to take some time, re-boot, and just run for the sake of running. I'm looking forward to hitting the trails this fall. I'll still do the 50K next month, and I'm looking at an 8-hour timed event (10K trail loop) in November.

If I get into Boston, great. If I don't, then I guess it wasn't meant to be. I just know that I really need to stop connecting so much of my self worth to my success as a runner. It's not good for me.
This is great advice you've just given yourself in the last 2 paragraphs. In hindsight I believe my troubles this year all started with my DNF in Vegas last December. (very similar race to yours, I was running it to try to hit a qualifying time for another race, got sick race week and DNF'd at 16-17 miles). I rushed back into training too soon and got sick a month later, then rushed back too soon again and my lower body issues started.

In other words, relax both physically and mentally. You'll bounce back from this and run faster and stronger than ever in time.

 
Icon- Sounds like you had a great time.

Ned- Nice breakthrough race man, and then to follow it up with a 20, sounds like you had quite the weekend!

Ivan- It's always surprising to see how your body retains the previous fitness levels you've achieved. Keep up the good work.

Prince- Hope you're healing up nicely.

Koby- Nice mile man, especially for the amount of training you have been able to do. For what it's worth, I am back running around 50 mpw for the last 2 weeks and I think I would have trouble running around that time for the mile right now. Hope your legs are feeling better and you can build up from here for the rest of your fall season.

2Young, TheMan- Awesome stuff by your kids. Keep these stories coming.

Duck- That's always sounded like an amazing place to run. I hope to visit one day.

Dewmass- Nothing like knocking our your first 20. Congrats.

Hang10- Awesome race man. Trail running sounds so fun and tedious at the same time.

Annyong- Nice debut. Now the fun part is seeing how much time you take off in your next one.

MAC- Sometimes you get more out of yourself when you just run by feel and compete. You definitely seem like you have more room to improve.

Juxt- Nice job! I assume you're going back to Boston too?

Para, Worrieking- Damn you guys are really throwing down some miles. Keep up the good work.

Sand- As usual, putting in some fast sounding training on the bike. :)

Bass- I love how you're training for these races with very little time to work with. Sometimes that makes it much more fun though. Good luck with your training.

 

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