Ran a 10k in June (11 Viewers)

[SFBayDuck]

irunfar.com is giving away a bunch of stuff - samples they've been sent primarily. You just have to sign up and indicate which things you're interested in (deadline Dec 8th). A ton of size 9 shoes (I'm a 12 ), so if that's your size get over there and check it out!

 

[FUBAR]

irunfar.com is giving away a bunch of stuff - samples they've been sent primarily. You just have to sign up and indicate which things you're interested in (deadline Dec 8th). A ton of size 9 shoes (I'm a 12 ), so if that's your size get over there and check it out!

Shoes won't work, but the chance to get used t-shirts?

 

[2Young2BBald]

irunfar.com is giving away a bunch of stuff - samples they've been sent primarily. You just have to sign up and indicate which things you're interested in (deadline Dec 8th). A ton of size 9 shoes (I'm a 12 ), so if that's your size get over there and check it out!

Basically Clydesdale-Free, my kind of promotion Thanks for the chance at lots of cool swag.

 

[FUBAR]

Supplementing running and swimming with two quick workouts most mornings:

1. Day 10 of the 30 day plank challenge. I'm trying to go for the allotted time front, left and right planks. The final 10 days will be tough.

2. every 3rd day (roughly, I don't do it the day after a long run) I do 5 minutes with the 20kg kettlebell. Sets - something like 40x4 @ 1:15, 30x5 @1:00, or 50,40,30,20,10, etc.

Need to get back on the bike.

 

[Hang 10]

http://www.runnersworld.com/rt-columns/marathon-race-too-far?page=1

Interesting article about how most are way under trained for running a marathon but do it anyway because it's a big deal. Has really got me considering running a half in March instead of the marathon I was planning on training for. Why try to survive a marathon when you can go crush a half marathon? Decisions decisions...

 

[FUBAR]

http://www.runnersworld.com/rt-columns/marathon-race-too-far?page=1

Interesting article about how most are way under trained for running a marathon but do it anyway because it's a big deal. Has really got me considering running a half in March instead of the marathon I was planning on training for. Why try to survive a marathon when you can go crush a half marathon? Decisions decisions...

My comments before reading: Depends on your goals I suppose. I'm basically treating the trail in March as a training event and looking to do better in May; but both are just precursors to my main goal of the year, the Ironman. Quite frankly, after the Ironman block is checked, I intend to set new goals on the HM, Olympic distance tri, and hopefully some adventure races.

After reading the article: I think he's right.

 

[Hang 10]

It is funny how most people, save for a few in this thread, just brush off training hard for a quality 5K...myself included. Imagine putting marathon volume into your 10K training and making it your "A" race? People have a perception that those races aren't a big deal, so we don't ever treat them like they're as important are your hometown's annual marathon.

I talked to pretty decent runner in his mid 40's a couple months ago and he was telling how he'd never run a marathon and I was shocked. He said that he hadn't perfected his shorter distances yet. He went on to tell me that he basically just focused on 5K's for a couple years and has been moving up from there. He was onto half marathons now and he thought he still had unfinished business there. It never even occurred to me to treat races this way.

 

[worrierking]

That's an interesting perspective, but I don't share it. I run marathons. Any other race is incidental to my marathon training. I will get a bigger thrill out of completing any marathon than setting a new PR at any other shorter distance. Maybe that will change someday.

 

[tri-man 47]

It is funny how most people, save for a few in this thread, just brush off training hard for a quality 5K...myself included. Imagine putting marathon volume into your 10K training and making it your "A" race? People have a perception that those races aren't a big deal, so we don't ever treat them like they're as important are your hometown's annual marathon.

I talked to pretty decent runner in his mid 40's a couple months ago and he was telling how he'd never run a marathon and I was shocked. He said that he hadn't perfected his shorter distances yet. He went on to tell me that he basically just focused on 5K's for a couple years and has been moving up from there. He was onto half marathons now and he thought he still had unfinished business there. It never even occurred to me to treat races this way.

For many years, I only ran 5Ks, 10Ks, and an occasional 10 miler. I was busy with work, church, and raising a family, so I didn't feel as though I had time (or the knowledge, pre-internet) to train for longer stuff. I was very happy with the shorter, focused training and racing. Then I got distracted with triathlons for ten years (though typically only racing one or two events each summer). The only reason I ran a marathon was to gauge whether I might consider a full Ironman, which of course ends in a marathon. That led to a build-up to Boston and now, still, a run-only focus, but with a lot more variety.

I have been very scattered these past two years ...not sure if I want to keep a broad range of races or zero in on a distance (like you discuss here, Hang 10). Of course, some might rightfully argue that my focus right now is medal mongering. ...which could get worse before it gets better with another old-old-man bracket looming in less than two years.

 

[tri-man 47]

Supplementing running and swimming with two quick workouts most mornings:

1. Day 10 of the 30 day plank challenge. I'm trying to go for the allotted time front, left and right planks. The final 10 days will be tough.

I prefer your approach of using all three plank positions. I'm up to 180 seconds with the standard plank, but it feels too one-dimensional. If you get to 120 seconds or so with each position, that's probably more productive than 5 minutes+ in one position.

 

[Sand]

Of course, some might rightfully argue that my focus right now is medal mongering.

Or some might just say you are a medal slut. That rings a bit better.

 

[FUBAR]

Supplementing running and swimming with two quick workouts most mornings:

1. Day 10 of the 30 day plank challenge. I'm trying to go for the allotted time front, left and right planks. The final 10 days will be tough.

I prefer your approach of using all three plank positions. I'm up to 180 seconds with the standard plank, but it feels too one-dimensional. If you get to 120 seconds or so with each position, that's probably more productive than 5 minutes+ in one position.

We like to change up positions.

 

[tri-man 47]

Of course, some might rightfully argue that my focus right now is medal mongering.

Or some might just say you are a medal slut. That rings a bit better.

But that's alright. You can live vicariously through me as you work your way up to Clydesdale territory.

 

[MAC_32]

It is funny how most people, save for a few in this thread, just brush off training hard for a quality 5K...myself included. Imagine putting marathon volume into your 10K training and making it your "A" race? People have a perception that those races aren't a big deal, so we don't ever treat them like they're as important are your hometown's annual marathon.

I talked to pretty decent runner in his mid 40's a couple months ago and he was telling how he'd never run a marathon and I was shocked. He said that he hadn't perfected his shorter distances yet. He went on to tell me that he basically just focused on 5K's for a couple years and has been moving up from there. He was onto half marathons now and he thought he still had unfinished business there. It never even occurred to me to treat races this way.

This will probably be me. Once I feel like I have exhausted every second at the 5K level I'll go up. Not until then though. I did the same thing with hold'em. I used to play a ridiculous amount, but once I felt like I got as good as I could without moving to Vegas and making it my full time job I basically stopped and moved onto blackjack. I never perfected blackjack because I got married and had kids and that's what I sacrificed, but I got quite a ways. Felt like a kid getting back on a bike when I amde it out to Vegas last year, it comes back quick.

I don't know the magic number for my 5K, but when I do it I'll know.

 

[SteveC702]

It is funny how most people, save for a few in this thread, just brush off training hard for a quality 5K...myself included. Imagine putting marathon volume into your 10K training and making it your "A" race? People have a perception that those races aren't a big deal, so we don't ever treat them like they're as important are your hometown's annual marathon.

I talked to pretty decent runner in his mid 40's a couple months ago and he was telling how he'd never run a marathon and I was shocked. He said that he hadn't perfected his shorter distances yet. He went on to tell me that he basically just focused on 5K's for a couple years and has been moving up from there. He was onto half marathons now and he thought he still had unfinished business there. It never even occurred to me to treat races this way.

One of my best friends had the same philosophy for years. He ran 14:45 / 30:30 in college and was determined to get back to that level of fitness before he moved up to run half/fulls. He got as close as 15:20/31:20 a couple of years ago but has trouble staying injury free for more than 3-4 months at a time. I think it's a shame as he was definitely in sub70 half / mid-2:20 full shape a couple of years ago but he might never get to show it.

I have two approaches that I take, and I don't think they need to be mutually exclusive.

1.We're not professionals, do whatever race we enjoy and get the most out of this hobby.

2. We'll probably get the most out this hobby if we maximize the times we have to devote to running and train intelligently. I think a very simple philosophy is that most runners are either more speed-based or endurance-based at a given point depending on their genetics and training history. If you want to get better just maintain what you're strong at and work on the other. For example, right now I feel that my best event is the half but I really haven't run an equivalent performance in the marathon, so after my goal race this weekend I am devoting the next few months to marathon training. Then after Boston in April I'll devote another 3-4 months to mile/5k/10k training before longer stuff next fall. (Thinking of running the Chicago Lake front 50 after an early fall marathon, but we'll see if I come to my senses)

 

[Sand]

Of course, some might rightfully argue that my focus right now is medal mongering.

Or some might just say you are a medal slut. That rings a bit better.

But that's alright. You can live vicariously through me as you work your way up to Clydesdale territory.

Ouch! Just remember I kick ### at downhills now!

And just remember we love you, no matter how slutty you are.

 

[Sand]

It is funny how most people, save for a few in this thread, just brush off training hard for a quality 5K...myself included. Imagine putting marathon volume into your 10K training and making it your "A" race? People have a perception that those races aren't a big deal, so we don't ever treat them like they're as important are your hometown's annual marathon.

I talked to pretty decent runner in his mid 40's a couple months ago and he was telling how he'd never run a marathon and I was shocked. He said that he hadn't perfected his shorter distances yet. He went on to tell me that he basically just focused on 5K's for a couple years and has been moving up from there. He was onto half marathons now and he thought he still had unfinished business there. It never even occurred to me to treat races this way.

Oh, eff that. I brush off training for 5ks because they hurt ####### worse than any other distance. I know exactly how hard those damn things are.

 

[Ned]

http://www.runnersworld.com/rt-columns/marathon-race-too-far?page=1

Interesting article about how most are way under trained for running a marathon but do it anyway because it's a big deal. Has really got me considering running a half in March instead of the marathon I was planning on training for. Why try to survive a marathon when you can go crush a half marathon? Decisions decisions...

The thing that really sticks out to me, because I'm living it right now @ 2 weeks post marathon:

Marathons also detract from our development because they beat us up so much on race day. After any other distance, give it a week or so for recovery and we're stronger runners. But after the marathon--as most of us run it--we're essentially injured, often sick, and require a month before we return to the level we were at before we started the training program. Add to that the two-to three-week taper, and we've taken a big step back on any long-term progression goals. Given this, many frequent marathoners never progress, simply ramping up to finish their next 26.2, then returning to the same base.

I really struggle with this part of racing marathons. I'm all sorts of ####ed up for a solid month. I hate it. It has me really questioning my sanity. There's certainly some merit to hammering out a HM, recovering for a few days and moving on. Recouping for a month or more after a full is for the fricken birds.

Case in point - I just ran a 'whatever' 5 miler. Just run to whatever felt good. Forget any pacing or HR goals. Just run. I averaged 8:19/158. A month ago I would've been pissed the hell off if I ran that. It's stupid that a single race tears you up this much, yet I keep coming back for more.

 

[Sand]

Case in point - I just ran a 'whatever' 5 miler. Just run to whatever felt good. Forget any pacing or HR goals. Just run. I averaged 8:19/158. A month ago I would've been pissed the hell off if I ran that. It's stupid that a single race tears you up this much, yet I keep coming back for more.

We really need a self-flagellation smiley for this thread.

 

[SFBayDuck]

http://www.runnersworld.com/rt-columns/marathon-race-too-far?page=1

Interesting article about how most are way under trained for running a marathon but do it anyway because it's a big deal. Has really got me considering running a half in March instead of the marathon I was planning on training for. Why try to survive a marathon when you can go crush a half marathon? Decisions decisions...

The thing that really sticks out to me, because I'm living it right now @ 2 weeks post marathon:

Marathons also detract from our development because they beat us up so much on race day. After any other distance, give it a week or so for recovery and we're stronger runners. But after the marathon--as most of us run it--we're essentially injured, often sick, and require a month before we return to the level we were at before we started the training program. Add to that the two-to three-week taper, and we've taken a big step back on any long-term progression goals. Given this, many frequent marathoners never progress, simply ramping up to finish their next 26.2, then returning to the same base.

I really struggle with this part of racing marathons. I'm all sorts of ####ed up for a solid month. I hate it. It has me really questioning my sanity. There's certainly some merit to hammering out a HM, recovering for a few days and moving on. Recouping for a month or more after a full is for the fricken birds.

Case in point - I just ran a 'whatever' 5 miler. Just run to whatever felt good. Forget any pacing or HR goals. Just run. I averaged 8:19/158. A month ago I would've been pissed the hell off if I ran that. It's stupid that a single race tears you up this much, yet I keep coming back for more.

Good discussion. This is one thing I struggle with too. My lowest mileage months this year were March-May as I was so beat up after the two spring ultras I did that I didn't run much, if at all, for several weeks. I definitely came out of this last 50M in better shape than those two, and am ramping back up pretty well this time around. But I can sure see the benefit of being fully recovered from a goal race within a week or two.

That being said, the part of the article that I rang the most true for me was:

....those of us who aren't quite as athletic but want to be good in sports discover that we can excel by being tenacious. So we go longer and longer at whatever pace we can manage, and earn admiration by our ability to keep going.

I'm not sure it's admiration that I seek (although I'm sure there is some of that) as much as the self-satisfaction of the accomplishment and the training that led to it. But that was my mindset from pretty early on when I first started running 5-6 years ago - I'm slow so I might as well run slow for longer.

 

[tri-man 47]

Of course, some might rightfully argue that my focus right now is medal mongering.

Or some might just say you are a medal slut. That rings a bit better.

But that's alright. You can live vicariously through me as you work your way up to Clydesdale territory.

Ouch! Just remember I kick ### at downhills now!

And just remember we love you, no matter how slutty you are.

Yes, I might be a medal slut, but I'm all of yours medal slut.

 

[sho nuff]

Weather for Saturday may be unfun.

High in the low 30s...possible snow/wintry mix Friday and Sunday...Saturday's forecast has kept changing from possible rain/snow/wintry mix...now saying partly sunny and high of 34...not bad really for that.

It won't bother me much while running...and I will check a bag and have warm clothes while I wait for my SIL to finish.

She and my niece are doing some run/walk combo. Was supposed to pace my niece...but foot injuries have killed her training...plus she has a swim meet that afternoon and does not want to waste herself on this one.

I think they have a friend from their church wanting someone to run with/pace in his first half...so I may do that.

 

[beer 302]

Just got one of these from a vendor of mine for Christmas. Who's giddy? Yea, me

 

[Sand]

http://www.runnersworld.com/rt-columns/marathon-race-too-far?page=1

Interesting article about how most are way under trained for running a marathon but do it anyway because it's a big deal. Has really got me considering running a half in March instead of the marathon I was planning on training for. Why try to survive a marathon when you can go crush a half marathon? Decisions decisions...

The thing that really sticks out to me, because I'm living it right now @ 2 weeks post marathon:

Marathons also detract from our development because they beat us up so much on race day. After any other distance, give it a week or so for recovery and we're stronger runners. But after the marathon--as most of us run it--we're essentially injured, often sick, and require a month before we return to the level we were at before we started the training program. Add to that the two-to three-week taper, and we've taken a big step back on any long-term progression goals. Given this, many frequent marathoners never progress, simply ramping up to finish their next 26.2, then returning to the same base.

I really struggle with this part of racing marathons. I'm all sorts of ####ed up for a solid month. I hate it. It has me really questioning my sanity. There's certainly some merit to hammering out a HM, recovering for a few days and moving on. Recouping for a month or more after a full is for the fricken birds.

Case in point - I just ran a 'whatever' 5 miler. Just run to whatever felt good. Forget any pacing or HR goals. Just run. I averaged 8:19/158. A month ago I would've been pissed the hell off if I ran that. It's stupid that a single race tears you up this much, yet I keep coming back for more.

Ok, Ned. Let me lie down in the therapy chair and spill here. I have decided this week to do fairly easy runs to get in some mileage and recover from that damn bug going around here. Here's my issue: during these easy runs I listen to music and find myself daydreaming. Usually about past races and about future races - you know, overtaking Steve in the last 50 yards of the Boston Marathon, crushing his dreams, and making his kids cry (i.e. complete fantasy). So after I come back to my senses my HR has gone from 150 to 170 and I'm flying along.

So, what do I do here?

I'll hang up and listen.

 

[Sand]

Just got one of these from a vendor of mine for Christmas. Who's giddy? Yea, me

When will one of these companies stick 4GB and bluetooth in there so we can listen to music? I'd buy one in a heartbeat. Still, that looks nice.

To add:

If anyone likes/wants to try Injinji socks they have them on Rakuten 3/$10 with free shipping. I never thought I'd like mine, but I love the things.

 

[FUBAR]

Sand, have you tried listening to an audio book on slower runs? Better than music on a slower pace

 

[Sand]

Sand, have you tried listening to an audio book on slower runs? Better than music on a slower pace

Can't do those while running. I don't pay good enough attention to really catch anything (I've tried). A lot of times I'll have music on random and not have a clue when I'm done what played.

 

[Ned]

http://www.runnersworld.com/rt-columns/marathon-race-too-far?page=1

Interesting article about how most are way under trained for running a marathon but do it anyway because it's a big deal. Has really got me considering running a half in March instead of the marathon I was planning on training for. Why try to survive a marathon when you can go crush a half marathon? Decisions decisions...

The thing that really sticks out to me, because I'm living it right now @ 2 weeks post marathon:

Marathons also detract from our development because they beat us up so much on race day. After any other distance, give it a week or so for recovery and we're stronger runners. But after the marathon--as most of us run it--we're essentially injured, often sick, and require a month before we return to the level we were at before we started the training program. Add to that the two-to three-week taper, and we've taken a big step back on any long-term progression goals. Given this, many frequent marathoners never progress, simply ramping up to finish their next 26.2, then returning to the same base.

I really struggle with this part of racing marathons. I'm all sorts of ####ed up for a solid month. I hate it. It has me really questioning my sanity. There's certainly some merit to hammering out a HM, recovering for a few days and moving on. Recouping for a month or more after a full is for the fricken birds.

Case in point - I just ran a 'whatever' 5 miler. Just run to whatever felt good. Forget any pacing or HR goals. Just run. I averaged 8:19/158. A month ago I would've been pissed the hell off if I ran that. It's stupid that a single race tears you up this much, yet I keep coming back for more.

Ok, Ned. Let me lie down in the therapy chair and spill here. I have decided this week to do fairly easy runs to get in some mileage and recover from that damn bug going around here. Here's my issue: during these easy runs I listen to music and find myself daydreaming. Usually about past races and about future races - you know, overtaking Steve in the last 50 yards of the Boston Marathon, crushing his dreams, and making his kids cry (i.e. complete fantasy). So after I come back to my senses my HR has gone from 150 to 170 and I'm flying along.

So, what do I do here?

I'll hang up and listen.

@ making his kids cry

I cannot think about racing when I'm running anything other than HM+ pacing, or else my HR shoots way up too. You'll probably want to punch me in the nuts, but I'd ditch the tunes and just focus on things that relax you. For me I think about crap that takes my mind totally away from OCD'ing about running.

 

[MAC_32]

Sand, have you tried listening to an audio book on slower runs? Better than music on a slower pace

Can't do those while running. I don't pay good enough attention to really catch anything (I've tried). A lot of times I'll have music on random and not have a clue when I'm done what played.

Not knowing what you usually listen to, try slower music.

My usual play list includes stuff like Disturbed, Papa Roach, Drowning Pool, Stone Sour, Sevendust,Tool, Slipknot, etc.

When I go out on slower runs it's a totally different playlist - Oasis, Coldplay, Dave Matthews, John Mayer, Muse, Vitamin String Quartet, etc.

Like you, I find it very difficult to focus on longer + slower runs, so I set my music to make it more natural to just go nice and easy.

 

[Hang 10]

I remember one time I tried to listen to this audiobook on running whilst running a comfortable pace and my heartrate felt like it was about 290.

 

[Juxtatarot]

So, what do I do here?

I'll hang up and listen.

When I used to care about recovery runs, I would sometimes set my watch with extra HR settings (current HR, average lap HR, average overall HR, etc.) and constantly play guessing games.... Can I finish this lap under 120 HR average? What is my HR now? Can I guess my heartrate if I slow down an extra 30 seconds per mile for a while? How much faster can I take this downhill without my HR increasing? That seemed to help.

 

[Ned]

So, what do I do here?

I'll hang up and listen.

When I used to care about recovery runs, I would sometimes set my watch with extra HR settings (current HR, average lap HR, average overall HR, etc.) and constantly play guessing games.... Can I finish this lap under 120 HR average? What is my HR now? Can I guess my heartrate if I slow down an extra 30 seconds per mile for a while? How much faster can I take this downhill without my HR increasing? That seemed to help.

Say what?

 

[gruecd]

What's up, guys? Life has been crazy busy the last couple of weeks, so I regret that I've fallen woefully behind. Won't get better anytime soon, either.

Can somebody give me the CliffsNotes version of the recent goings-on?

 

[Juxtatarot]

So, what do I do here?

I'll hang up and listen.

When I used to care about recovery runs, I would sometimes set my watch with extra HR settings (current HR, average lap HR, average overall HR, etc.) and constantly play guessing games.... Can I finish this lap under 120 HR average? What is my HR now? Can I guess my heartrate if I slow down an extra 30 seconds per mile for a while? How much faster can I take this downhill without my HR increasing? That seemed to help.

Say what?

When I decided to ditch my marathon plans this summer, I decided to mainly train by the "ran as often and as fast as you feel like it that day" method. I never liked those super slow runs and I was running less miles per week so I ditched recovery runs completely. I know it's not advisable but I don't think it makes a huge difference for me for whatever reason, particularly for half marathon and shorter distances.

 

[gruecd]

Sand, have you tried listening to an audio book on slower runs? Better than music on a slower pace

Can't do those while running. I don't pay good enough attention to really catch anything (I've tried). A lot of times I'll have music on random and not have a clue when I'm done what played.

I do podcasts when I'm trying to keep it slow. I like UltraRunnerPodcast.com, RunRunLive, and a couple different ESPN podcasts (Bill Simmons, Colin Cowherd).

 

[FUBAR]

Sand, have you tried listening to an audio book on slower runs? Better than music on a slower pace

Can't do those while running. I don't pay good enough attention to really catch anything (I've tried). A lot of times I'll have music on random and not have a clue when I'm done what played.

Not knowing what you usually listen to, try slower music.

My usual play list includes stuff like Disturbed, Papa Roach, Drowning Pool, Stone Sour, Sevendust,Tool, Slipknot, etc.

When I go out on slower runs it's a totally different playlist - Oasis, Coldplay, Dave Matthews, John Mayer, Muse, Vitamin String Quartet, etc.

Like you, I find it very difficult to focus on longer + slower runs, so I set my music to make it more natural to just go nice and easy.

That should help. I also like to test out new albums on longer runs. download a new artist/album (or just new to you) from Youtube (sites are out there that allow you to covert to MP3) and give it a try.

I downloaded Emimem's new album (half decent - he's talented even with anger issues) and Deerhunter (didn't make it too far in that album), stuff I'd never sit around and listen to but I wanted to try.

 

[tri-man 47]

Sand, I never listen to anything while running, so no advice on that. What I do do to keep slow runs slow, as I've mentioned along the way here, is to use a different breathing pattern - in or out every third step instead of every other step. It's a different cadence and seems kinda strange at first ...but you certainly know it when the pace picks up, 'cause it becomes hard to sustain that breathing pattern. Other than that, I just let thoughts drift in and out (like the advice to Tom Cruise in the Samarai movie: "no mind"). And don't you like how we're all answering your question to Ned?

gruecd - the race pace has slowed here; lot of the crew settling into off-season training. Annyong learned not to chicken-load and oversleep before a 5K.

 

[Sand]

And don't you like how we're all answering your question to Ned?

One surefire way to get silence is to just throw a question out there. The corollary of course, is to direct it at one "expert" - then the indignant testosterone flows and we get lots of answers.

I do appreciate the thoughts. Though I have to say MAC I haven't the foggiest who any of the guys are on your regular playlist. I guess I'm now officially old...

 

[MAC_32]

And don't you like how we're all answering your question to Ned?

One surefire way to get silence is to just throw a question out there. The corollary of course, is to direct it at one "expert" - then the indignant testosterone flows and we get lots of answers.

I do appreciate the thoughts. Though I have to say MAC I haven't the foggiest who any of the guys are on your regular playlist. I guess I'm now officially old...

Primarily late 90's/early 00's hard rock/metal, also knows as my teenage angst years. That's the 'run angry' play list. I use it for time trials, speed work, and races. Usually go a little more traditional (Foo Fighter, Pearl Jam, Zepp, etc.) on mid range runs. Something different than the norm and I don't have to be as pace conscious, so if I get moving a little faster than I wanted no big deal.

 

[Ned]

And don't you like how we're all answering your question to Ned?

One surefire way to get silence is to just throw a question out there. The corollary of course, is to direct it at one "expert" - then the indignant testosterone flows and we get lots of answers.

I do appreciate the thoughts. Though I have to say MAC I haven't the foggiest who any of the guys are on your regular playlist. I guess I'm now officially old...

Primarily late 90's/early 00's hard rock/metal, also knows as my teenage angst years. That's the 'run angry' play list. I use it for time trials, speed work, and races. Usually go a little more traditional (Foo Fighter, Pearl Jam, Zepp, etc.) on mid range runs. Something different than the norm and I don't have to be as pace conscious, so if I get moving a little faster than I wanted no big deal.

I listen to the same stuff, which is one of the big reasons I don't run with music. I run angry as it is... If I had Slip Knot on I'd never get past the 2mi marker.

 

[FUBAR]

And don't you like how we're all answering your question to Ned?

One surefire way to get silence is to just throw a question out there. The corollary of course, is to direct it at one "expert" - then the indignant testosterone flows and we get lots of answers.

I do appreciate the thoughts. Though I have to say MAC I haven't the foggiest who any of the guys are on your regular playlist. I guess I'm now officially old...

excuse me as I head out for 5 and listen to the Rat Pack and Neil Diamond

 

[MAC_32]

And don't you like how we're all answering your question to Ned?

One surefire way to get silence is to just throw a question out there. The corollary of course, is to direct it at one "expert" - then the indignant testosterone flows and we get lots of answers.

I do appreciate the thoughts. Though I have to say MAC I haven't the foggiest who any of the guys are on your regular playlist. I guess I'm now officially old...

Primarily late 90's/early 00's hard rock/metal, also knows as my teenage angst years. That's the 'run angry' play list. I use it for time trials, speed work, and races. Usually go a little more traditional (Foo Fighter, Pearl Jam, Zepp, etc.) on mid range runs. Something different than the norm and I don't have to be as pace conscious, so if I get moving a little faster than I wanted no big deal.

I listen to the same stuff, which is one of the big reasons I don't run with music. I run angry as it is... If I had Slip Knot on I'd never get past the 2mi marker.

If I ever dip my hand in the longer distance well I'll probably have to pack it up too. I did 6 last night and some of the 'angry' stuff leaked onto my mid-range playlist. I had to check myself a couple of times miles 4 and 5 when I hit downhill's.

 

[Sand]

Ok, whoever turned the suck index back up to 140 please back the #### off. Today's run hurt like a mother.

TIA.

 

[FUBAR]

Ok, whoever turned the suck index back up to 140 please back the #### off. Today's run hurt like a mother.

TIA.

Not mine. But I'm doing the Maffetone / Mark Allen plan throughout December. 6.3M, 147bpm. Hillier course than my usual long run, and roughly 2M was on trail, but the pace ended up being 9:03 Still not sure about this (the part where ALL the running I do this month is aerobic base), but I'm rolling with it.

 

[worrierking]

I used to listen to The Clash, The Ramones and Ian Dury and the Blockheads when I ran. I was fast but I was always getting hurt. Now I listen to Neil Young, Bob Dylan and Wilco and I am slow, but healthy. I would listen to Michael Bolton if it made me a better runner.

 

[Juxtatarot]

So, I'm working on a Christmas list for myself. Any ideas for some unusal running stuff? Before you mention it, I don't need a shoe dryer. I'd still love a specific winter running glove recommendation.

 

[sho nuff]

Some tidbits about the past few days...weather...playlists/running and so on.

The talk about audiobooks and music made me laugh just now. I do run with music and don't find it affects my pace all that much. Though, I do have a few songs that I like if I am struggling at holding a certain slower pace that are timed out well and if I go to them I can get in that rhythm. And speaking of laughing...was just going to get a run in on the treadmill last night and threw on Tosh.0...I learned it is very hard to run, breathe correctly and keep a decent heart rate when you keep laughing at the stupid things people do.

Weather...today was about 75...its freaking december....it totally reminded me of the blow up in the same type of unexpected "heat" for the Marathon last year.

Weather for the race this weekend looks fine on race day...its just will it hit too early for us to actually get to Memphis or affect us driving the little bit Saturday morning to get to Downtown Memphis...calling for possibly 1/4-1/2 inch of ice which really sucks.

Its possible if it looks like it is really going to hit like that...I just stay home in Nashville and don't even make the drive. Glad its just this half that I really don't have much of a goal for and my training was not that intense. Rather than last year's marathon. I would have been pissed if there was a chance last year that I would not have made it after the months of training for it.

 

[sho nuff]

My Christmas list this year is basically finding a bunch of clearanced short sleeve shirts and some long. I think there is a smell that is no longer washing out of some of the older ones and its time to update and replace.

 

[Ned]

Ok, whoever turned the suck index back up to 140 please back the #### off. Today's run hurt like a mother.

TIA.

Not mine. But I'm doing the Maffetone / Mark Allen plan throughout December. 6.3M, 147bpm. Hillier course than my usual long run, and roughly 2M was on trail, but the pace ended up being 9:03 Still not sure about this (the part where ALL the running I do this month is aerobic base), but I'm rolling with it.

One month is a drop in the bucket. You'll be fine. Noticing that pace is already quicker than one you posted at similar HR from last week?

 

[FUBAR]

Ok, whoever turned the suck index back up to 140 please back the #### off. Today's run hurt like a mother.

TIA.

Not mine. But I'm doing the Maffetone / Mark Allen plan throughout December. 6.3M, 147bpm. Hillier course than my usual long run, and roughly 2M was on trail, but the pace ended up being 9:03 Still not sure about this (the part where ALL the running I do this month is aerobic base), but I'm rolling with it.

One month is a drop in the bucket. You'll be fine. Noticing that pace is already quicker than one you posted at similar HR from last week?

Yes.

Is one month enough for this or should I keep going until I'm not improving?