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I have visions of William Wallace, running through the hills of Scotland ...gruecd said:a 6'5", 215-pound "Clydesdale,"
I have visions of William Wallace, running through the hills of Scotland ...gruecd said:a 6'5", 215-pound "Clydesdale,"
At the risk of sounding stupid, who's William Wallace?I have visions of William Wallace, running through the hills of Scotland ...gruecd said:a 6'5", 215-pound "Clydesdale,"

Ah. Braveheart, right?At the risk of sounding stupid, who's William Wallace?I have visions of William Wallace, running through the hills of Scotland ...gruecd said:a 6'5", 215-pound "Clydesdale,"![]()
Former Alabama Governor George Wallace's brother.At the risk of sounding stupid, who's William Wallace?I have visions of William Wallace, running through the hills of Scotland ...gruecd said:a 6'5", 215-pound "Clydesdale,"![]()
Aye. William Wallace.Ah. Braveheart, right?At the risk of sounding stupid, who's William Wallace?I have visions of William Wallace, running through the hills of Scotland ...gruecd said:a 6'5", 215-pound "Clydesdale,"![]()
Five hours later, and now it's 73/52 and "few showers". <_<RoarinSonoran said:Now the forecast is 71/51 with "isolated t-storms", and 30% chance of precip. Make up your freakin' minds!Weather was similar to what's being forecast for Nashville on race day. Low 50's, overcast, damp from overnight sprinkles, perfect! 76/54 and t-storms is the forecast, so I'm hoping for a little rain and a lotta clouds.![]()
The difference a day makes. Forecast now is 77/52 and sunny.
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Guess I'll have to work on my rain dance over the next few days.
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At this rate, there will be six inches of snow on the ground as the gun goes off.
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If I were you, my plan would be to obsess about the weather for the next week.Five hours later, and now it's 73/52 and "few showers". <_<RoarinSonoran said:Now the forecast is 71/51 with "isolated t-storms", and 30% chance of precip. Make up your freakin' minds!Weather was similar to what's being forecast for Nashville on race day. Low 50's, overcast, damp from overnight sprinkles, perfect! 76/54 and t-storms is the forecast, so I'm hoping for a little rain and a lotta clouds.![]()
The difference a day makes. Forecast now is 77/52 and sunny.
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Guess I'll have to work on my rain dance over the next few days.
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At this rate, there will be six inches of snow on the ground as the gun goes off.
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We'll see much I = speed when I try running 3:10 at Green Bay next month. I just ran a half marathon in 1:32, but to think that I'll have to turn around and run it again at almost the same pace is a little bit intimidating.Blood, man! How on earth are you = speed with your mongo self? :Amazed:gruecd said:Another good 6-mile tempo run this afternoon with four fast miles at 6:51, 6:57, 6:40, and 6:36 plus warm-up and cool-down miles at 7:28 and 7:31, respectively. Those last couple of miles were too fast; I'll probably pay for those on my 10-miler tomorrow.
In any case, not too shabby for a 6'5", 215-pound "Clydesdale," if I do say so myself!!![]()
Woof- I hear ya. I'm also a 1:32 (when fit) 1/2 mararthoner, but the thought of going 3:10 on a full seems pretty much impossible to me (although my only full marathon was part of an IM). But still- what is it, 7:10 miles? You're sounding like you're on it, my enormous friend.My plan for qualifying for things like Boston and Kona is to age and keep on aging until I qualify by attrition.We'll see much I = speed when I try running 3:10 at Green Bay next month. I just ran a half marathon in 1:32, but to think that I'll have to turn around and run it again at almost the same pace is a little bit intimidating.Blood, man! How on earth are you = speed with your mongo self? :Amazed:gruecd said:Another good 6-mile tempo run this afternoon with four fast miles at 6:51, 6:57, 6:40, and 6:36 plus warm-up and cool-down miles at 7:28 and 7:31, respectively. Those last couple of miles were too fast; I'll probably pay for those on my 10-miler tomorrow.
In any case, not too shabby for a 6'5", 215-pound "Clydesdale," if I do say so myself!!![]()
If I were you, my plan would be to obsess about the weather for the next week.
Only for the next half-week.
I'd just like for the weatherdudes to be consistent.
The temps have been fairly constant, actually decreasing, but rain/norain/rain/etc is frustrating. Low-50s is right on the top edge of the "comfort zone", but a light rain will make it feel cooler. 60degrees towards the finish will be teh suck.Enormous? Really? Anyway, thanks for the compliment--I think.You're sounding like you're on it, my enormous friend.

Maybe he's seen you in the lockerroom?Enormous? Really? Anyway, thanks for the compliment--I think.You're sounding like you're on it, my enormous friend.![]()

Ah, yes. That would make sense.Maybe he's seen you in the lockerroom?Enormous? Really? Anyway, thanks for the compliment--I think.You're sounding like you're on it, my enormous friend.![]()
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You know what they say about people with big feet! 
Nice job, DolphinsPhan! I've been a runner for about 4-5 years, and I just started doing speedwork last summer. Now I do one tempo/interval session every week, and it REALLY helps with my race performance. You probably already answered this question in one of the previous 1,000+ posts, but what event are you training for? My only question is whether 400M repeats are appropriate or if you should be doing something longer. I've never really done anything shorter than 800M repeats, and when I'm training for marathons or even half marathons, I do mile repeats.I did my very first speed workout last night. Warmed up with a 1 mile run @ 10m/m and then did 400s @ 8m/m pace (goal pace). "Rested" after each 400 by doing another 400 @ 10m/m pace. Did 6 of those and then finished with a mile @ 10m/m. It was about 5 miles when all said and done. I was feeling it in my quads for the first two fast 400s, but after that it got much easier and the mile at then end was very easy on my legs. I was tired, but I could have kept going. I didn't though...not this time. Don't want to injure myself!
Training for a 5k. I ran the same one last year in 27 min and I trained at a 10m/m pace and pretty much only ran 3 miles each time when I was "training". I knew nothing about speed workouts or tempo runs. I am doing those this time around. My goal is to beat that time this year.Nice job, DolphinsPhan! I've been a runner for about 4-5 years, and I just started doing speedwork last summer. Now I do one tempo/interval session every week, and it REALLY helps with my race performance. You probably already answered this question in one of the previous 1,000+ posts, but what event are you training for? My only question is whether 400M repeats are appropriate or if you should be doing something longer. I've never really done anything shorter than 800M repeats, and when I'm training for marathons or even half marathons, I do mile repeats.I did my very first speed workout last night. Warmed up with a 1 mile run @ 10m/m and then did 400s @ 8m/m pace (goal pace). "Rested" after each 400 by doing another 400 @ 10m/m pace. Did 6 of those and then finished with a mile @ 10m/m. It was about 5 miles when all said and done. I was feeling it in my quads for the first two fast 400s, but after that it got much easier and the mile at then end was very easy on my legs. I was tired, but I could have kept going. I didn't though...not this time. Don't want to injure myself!

Big shoes?Ah, yes. That would make sense.Maybe he's seen you in the lockerroom?Enormous? Really? Anyway, thanks for the compliment--I think.You're sounding like you're on it, my enormous friend.![]()
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You know what they say about people with big feet!
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Exactly.Big shoes?Ah, yes. That would make sense.Maybe he's seen you in the lockerroom?Enormous? Really? Anyway, thanks for the compliment--I think.You're sounding like you're on it, my enormous friend.![]()
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You know what they say about people with big feet!
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Good, good, good! 400's fit well with your 5K goal. And that's a good approach - a hard 400, then an easy recovery 400. Well done!I did my very first speed workout last night. Warmed up with a 1 mile run @ 10m/m and then did 400s @ 8m/m pace (goal pace). "Rested" after each 400 by doing another 400 @ 10m/m pace. Did 6 of those and then finished with a mile @ 10m/m. It was about 5 miles when all said and done. I was feeling it in my quads for the first two fast 400s, but after that it got much easier and the mile at then end was very easy on my legs. I was tired, but I could have kept going. I didn't though...not this time. Don't want to injure myself!
I'm just 6'3", 180 pounds. I'm only ...sinewy.Enormous? Really? Anyway, thanks for the compliment--I think.You're sounding like you're on it, my enormous friend.![]()

6'3" and 180?! Do you disappear when you turn sideways?I'm just 6'3", 180 pounds. I'm only ...sinewy.Enormous? Really? Anyway, thanks for the compliment--I think.You're sounding like you're on it, my enormous friend.![]()
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RS:GStrot, heck, it doesn't even have to be a 100miler. Mile 36 would be in 3.5seconds, and after that it's negative.If you do a 100 miler, you will be able to go back in time.If I can keep that trend going, the 26th mile would be run at about a 2:21 pace!Your negative splits are a great sign! You are getting stronger!!![]()
Liquor and RoaranS, you guys both are, um, sounding rather obsessive (as you both note your desire NOT to be obsessive)! Looking at your watch every 1/4 mile? Hmmm. Current pacing to help for October, 2009? Hmmm. Careful, dudes! Don't let the technology and tools and timing get in the way of the basic joy of running. I worry about you old guys. Oh, wait ..
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Triman, I just meant that if I can build myself up to where an 8:00 pace is normal for me, I can qualify for Boston in or after October 2009. I'll turn 45 then, and the qualifying mark drops to 3:30, which is an 8:00 pace. I'm currently 42, which means I'd have to pop off a 3:20 to qualify right now (7:38 pace). As it stands now, I'd pretty much have to keep my current level of ability until I turn 80, when the qualifying mark becomes 5hrs (or age 70-74 and hit my PR again, ~4:30)
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Last night's run showed me that I can run that fast, and for longer than 100yds. I might have been able to squeeze out another mile at that pace, but I was nearing the end of the fuel tank. Sure, running is a joy at times, but it still helps to have goals (however unreasonable some may be).![]()
I'm also waiting for the "Turn 45" pace. My marathon PR is 3:26, and it seems much easier to maintain my current speed for 5 more years (I'm 40) then it does to get faster. Aging may suck, but it does have some advantages!If I were you, my plan would be to obsess about the weather for the next week.Five hours later, and now it's 73/52 and "few showers".RoarinSonoran said:Now the forecast is 71/51 with "isolated t-storms", and 30% chance of precip. Make up your freakin' minds!Weather was similar to what's being forecast for Nashville on race day. Low 50's, overcast, damp from overnight sprinkles, perfect! 76/54 and t-storms is the forecast, so I'm hoping for a little rain and a lotta clouds.![]()
The difference a day makes. Forecast now is 77/52 and sunny.
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Guess I'll have to work on my rain dance over the next few days.
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At this rate, there will be six inches of snow on the ground as the gun goes off.
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I just found out the current Lake temperature for my tri this weekend is 67 degrees
. I unfortunately don't own a wetsuit (not needed much in Texas), and will have to endure this one. The bigger problem is that this is the Mrs. first tri, and the thought of getting in cold water frightens her. Being "nippy" might have some plusses though
.6'0" 163 here = I'm probably in the same club as you. Can we all agree to call gruecd our "Enormous Friend" from now on. We could shorten it to EF, but we might get him confused with El Floppo.I'm just 6'3", 180 pounds. I'm only ...sinewy.Enormous? Really? Anyway, thanks for the compliment--I think.You're sounding like you're on it, my enormous friend.![]()
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I'm just 6'3", 180 pounds. I'm only ...sinewy.Enormous? Really? Anyway, thanks for the compliment--I think.You're sounding like you're on it, my enormous friend.![]()
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Nigel 'The Leg' Gruff: I'm wiry.
"few showers" is now "party cloudy". wtf!Five hours later, and now it's 73/52 and "few showers".RoarinSonoran said:Now the forecast is 71/51 with "isolated t-storms", and 30% chance of precip. Make up your freakin' minds!Weather was similar to what's being forecast for Nashville on race day. Low 50's, overcast, damp from overnight sprinkles, perfect! 76/54 and t-storms is the forecast, so I'm hoping for a little rain and a lotta clouds.![]()
The difference a day makes. Forecast now is 77/52 and sunny.
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Guess I'll have to work on my rain dance over the next few days.
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At this rate, there will be six inches of snow on the ground as the gun goes off.
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Nice job.gruecd said:Another good 6-mile tempo run this afternoon with four fast miles at 6:51, 6:57, 6:40, and 6:36 plus warm-up and cool-down miles at 7:28 and 7:31, respectively. Those last couple of miles were too fast; I'll probably pay for those on my 10-miler tomorrow.
In any case, not too shabby for a 6'5", 215-pound "Clydesdale," if I do say so myself!!![]()
Nice.My plan for qualifying for things like Boston and Kona is to age and keep on aging until I qualify by attrition.

I don't like that.Can we all agree to call gruecd our "Enormous Friend" from now on. We could shorten it to EF, but we might get him confused with El Floppo.

At least you got up & ran!! That of course is the key.Luckily for me the rain seemed to keep the kids asleep longer, so I was able to get 3.8 miles in on the treadmill (variable speed & hill program). First run since my bomb on Saturday so it's good to get back on the horse.GStrot said:The rain woke up the kids and kept me in bed longer this morning than I wanted. I managed to get in 2 miles on the treadmill (it was still raining this morning). The more I run outside, the more I loathe the treadmill. I was supposed to do 2.5 today and 2 on Friday so I will switch them and Hal Higdon will never know.
EF - Then you need to get more "sinewy" or "wiry" like the other guysgruecd said:I don't like that.Can we all agree to call gruecd our "Enormous Friend" from now on. We could shorten it to EF, but we might get him confused with El Floppo.![]()
(said the 6'1" 195 guy) 
I vote for BFSBL instead. Bigger, Faster, Stronger, and Better Looking!EF - Then you need to get more "sinewy" or "wiry" like the other guysgruecd said:I don't like that.Can we all agree to call gruecd our "Enormous Friend" from now on. We could shorten it to EF, but we might get him confused with El Floppo.![]()
(said the 6'1" 195 guy)
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Way to get back out there and run. Wait. What horse?At least you got up & ran!! That of course is the key.Luckily for me the rain seemed to keep the kids asleep longer, so I was able to get 3.8 miles in on the treadmill (variable speed & hill program). First run since my bomb on Saturday so it's good to get back on the horse.GStrot said:The rain woke up the kids and kept me in bed longer this morning than I wanted. I managed to get in 2 miles on the treadmill (it was still raining this morning). The more I run outside, the more I loathe the treadmill. I was supposed to do 2.5 today and 2 on Friday so I will switch them and Hal Higdon will never know.
Pommel horse. You should see him in his gym tights.Way to get back out there and run. Wait. What horse?
You should be so lucky, EF.gruecd said:I don't like that.Can we all agree to call gruecd our "Enormous Friend" from now on. We could shorten it to EF, but we might get him confused with El Floppo.![]()
BFS for sure, but BLI vote for BFSBL instead. Bigger, Faster, Stronger, and Better Looking!EF - Then you need to get more "sinewy" or "wiry" like the other guysgruecd said:I don't like that.Can we all agree to call gruecd our "Enormous Friend" from now on. We could shorten it to EF, but we might get him confused with El Floppo.![]()
(said the 6'1" 195 guy)
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EF - Then you need to get more "sinewy" or "wiry" like the other guysgruecd said:I don't like that.Can we all agree to call gruecd our "Enormous Friend" from now on. We could shorten it to EF, but we might get him confused with El Floppo.![]()
(said the 6'1" 195 guy)
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(6' 195) 
Great job GStrot!! A run is a run; and we'll never tell Hal. I got rained out this morning as well, and Mrs. L asked if I wanted to use "HER" treadmill. I declined, hoping to get a run in tonight instead.GStrot said:The rain woke up the kids and kept me in bed longer this morning than I wanted. I managed to get in 2 miles on the treadmill (it was still raining this morning). The more I run outside, the more I loathe the treadmill. I was supposed to do 2.5 today and 2 on Friday so I will switch them and Hal Higdon will never know.
I just found out the current Lake temperature for my tri this weekend is 67 degrees . I unfortunately don't own a wetsuit (not needed much in Texas), and will have to endure this one. The bigger problem is that this is the Mrs. first tri, and the thought of getting in cold water frightens her. Being "nippy" might have some plusses though .
When I'm approaching a taper, I'll do a lot more short speed sets. As short as 20yds, and usually none longer than 100 or so. I use lamp-posts in Central Park, so I'm not too sure about exact distances. But yeah, other than that I usually did 1/2 or usually full mile pickups.Nice job, DolphinsPhan! I've been a runner for about 4-5 years, and I just started doing speedwork last summer. Now I do one tempo/interval session every week, and it REALLY helps with my race performance. You probably already answered this question in one of the previous 1,000+ posts, but what event are you training for? My only question is whether 400M repeats are appropriate or if you should be doing something longer. I've never really done anything shorter than 800M repeats, and when I'm training for marathons or even half marathons, I do mile repeats.I did my very first speed workout last night. Warmed up with a 1 mile run @ 10m/m and then did 400s @ 8m/m pace (goal pace). "Rested" after each 400 by doing another 400 @ 10m/m pace. Did 6 of those and then finished with a mile @ 10m/m. It was about 5 miles when all said and done. I was feeling it in my quads for the first two fast 400s, but after that it got much easier and the mile at then end was very easy on my legs. I was tired, but I could have kept going. I didn't though...not this time. Don't want to injure myself!
He's talking about his sister, whom he is bringing to Madison next month.BFS for sure, but BLI vote for BFSBL instead. Bigger, Faster, Stronger, and Better Looking!EF - Then you need to get more "sinewy" or "wiry" like the other guysgruecd said:I don't like that.Can we all agree to call gruecd our "Enormous Friend" from now on. We could shorten it to EF, but we might get him confused with El Floppo.![]()
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EF: A wetsuit is certainly in my future, I just haven't had a need for it until this weekend, and it's too late to get one now. Why do you recommend sleeveless?I just found out the current Lake temperature for my tri this weekend is 67 degrees . I unfortunately don't own a wetsuit (not needed much in Texas), and will have to endure this one. The bigger problem is that this is the Mrs. first tri, and the thought of getting in cold water frightens her. Being "nippy" might have some plusses though .I thought you wrote "being Nipsey might have some plusses".I'd highly recommend getting a wetsuit (sleeveless), if you're thinking about doing more races. Brings the legs and hips practically out of the water- swimming is MUCH easier. It's a legal way to go faster and easier as it's somewhat rare for the water temp to rise above "legal" temps. And even then you can still wear them- you just can't qualify for other races or place in that race (something I never plan on doing)

I got rained out this morning as wellGStrot said:The rain woke up the kids and kept me in bed longer this morning than I wanted.
45 degrees, gusting winds, and raining buckets early this morning in chicago. I did six miles outdoors.(As gruecd would expect, I turned skinny side to the wind and ran between the raindrops.)I don't wear tights - I wear the required uniform... ... and so much for keeping that between us...Pommel horse. You should see him in his gym tights.Way to get back out there and run. Wait. What horse?
It wasn't so much the rain that kept me away, as it was the continual bolts of lightning. This is a storm that killed 9 people in the area = I didn't want to risk being one of them. It's currently sunny and beautiful out. My run should be a bit more pleasant after work, than it would have been this morning. Also, I'm in taper mode, and have no desire to risk any type of injury.I got rained out this morning as wellGStrot said:The rain woke up the kids and kept me in bed longer this morning than I wanted.45 degrees, gusting winds, and raining buckets early this morning in chicago. I did six miles outdoors.(As gruecd would expect, I turned skinny side to the wind and ran between the raindrops.)

No reason, really- they're just a bit easier to swim in for me. I have really tight shoulders and can't get good extension in the water even without wetsuits. I've found that the sleeved ones tire me out and constrict my shoulders after a while in the water. But I'm horrible, horrible swimmer, so take it with a grain of salt.oh- sleeveless are also easier to get out of in T1.EF: A wetsuit is certainly in my future, I just haven't had a need for it until this weekend, and it's too late to get one now. Why do you recommend sleeveless?I just found out the current Lake temperature for my tri this weekend is 67 degrees . I unfortunately don't own a wetsuit (not needed much in Texas), and will have to endure this one. The bigger problem is that this is the Mrs. first tri, and the thought of getting in cold water frightens her. Being "nippy" might have some plusses though .I thought you wrote "being Nipsey might have some plusses".I'd highly recommend getting a wetsuit (sleeveless), if you're thinking about doing more races. Brings the legs and hips practically out of the water- swimming is MUCH easier. It's a legal way to go faster and easier as it's somewhat rare for the water temp to rise above "legal" temps. And even then you can still wear them- you just can't qualify for other races or place in that race (something I never plan on doing)
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And also less expensiveNo reason, really- they're just a bit easier to swim in for me. I have really tight shoulders and can't get good extension in the water even without wetsuits. I've found that the sleeved ones tire me out and constrict my shoulders after a while in the water. But I'm horrible, horrible swimmer, so take it with a grain of salt.oh- sleeveless are also easier to get out of in T1.EF: A wetsuit is certainly in my future, I just haven't had a need for it until this weekend, and it's too late to get one now. Why do you recommend sleeveless?I just found out the current Lake temperature for my tri this weekend is 67 degrees . I unfortunately don't own a wetsuit (not needed much in Texas), and will have to endure this one. The bigger problem is that this is the Mrs. first tri, and the thought of getting in cold water frightens her. Being "nippy" might have some plusses though .I thought you wrote "being Nipsey might have some plusses".I'd highly recommend getting a wetsuit (sleeveless), if you're thinking about doing more races. Brings the legs and hips practically out of the water- swimming is MUCH easier. It's a legal way to go faster and easier as it's somewhat rare for the water temp to rise above "legal" temps. And even then you can still wear them- you just can't qualify for other races or place in that race (something I never plan on doing)
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Guess not. Just finished my 10 miles in 1:13:50. That's 7:23 per mile, just a little slower than marathon pace. Fastest mile (mile #10) was 7:10, and slowest mile was 7:33. I really hadn't wanted to run that fast, but it felt good, so I went with it. An easy 5 miles tomorrow, then off on Friday (my first rest day in quite a while) before a long 18-miler on Saturday.I officially switched today from the half marathon to the full marathon at GB. 26 days to go. It's on!Another good 6-mile tempo run this afternoon with four fast miles at 6:51, 6:57, 6:40, and 6:36 plus warm-up and cool-down miles at 7:28 and 7:31, respectively. Those last couple of miles were too fast; I'll probably pay for those on my 10-miler tomorrow.
Dude!gruecd said:Guess not. Just finished my 10 miles in 1:13:50. That's 7:23 per mile, just a little slower than marathon pace. Fastest mile (mile #10) was 7:10, and slowest mile was 7:33. I really hadn't wanted to run that fast, but it felt good, so I went with it. An easy 5 miles tomorrow, then off on Friday (my first rest day in quite a while) before a long 18-miler on Saturday.I officially switched today from the half marathon to the full marathon at GB. 26 days to go. It's on!Another good 6-mile tempo run this afternoon with four fast miles at 6:51, 6:57, 6:40, and 6:36 plus warm-up and cool-down miles at 7:28 and 7:31, respectively. Those last couple of miles were too fast; I'll probably pay for those on my 10-miler tomorrow.![]()
