Ran a 10k in June (4 Viewers)

[BassNBrew]

Well I rode a 24:13 which equated to 24.8 mph. I was one of the few on a road bike. I'll post my splits when I get them, but they were attrocious. Fast out of the gate and then leaked sand like a sieve until the last lap. I averaged about 27-28 down the back stretch and 22 up the front stretch. The best part was coming down the finishing stretch on pit row...I hit and maintained 29 mph. I was hammering so hard the front tire was bouncing. Blew through line...can't wait to see the finishing pic...and coasted to a stop. A couple of race officials come up and ask if I need medical attention. Clocked my pulse at 184-186. Seriously felt like yaking. It was 15 minutes until I caught my breath.

I have even more respect for these pro bikers and their ability. Got a good measure of how piss poor my conditioning is. That said, I didn't see any 200+ lbs passing me! Time to work on a better training plan.

W O W !

I'm feeling kinda ashamed for our sport, tri-man... that avg speed would be the top 3- hell, top 1- on the bike of just about every race I've ever done. And we're supposedly focused on our time-trialing... note to self: ride with roadies more (if they'll have me and my aero-bars).

Hold your horses...we're talking just 10 miles on a surface that suits Junior and Gordon over a 1.5 curcuit enclosed by grandstands. It doesn't get any better than that condition wise. I don't think you can compare Ben Johnson's time in the 100 v. the winner of the Boston Marathon.

 

[BassNBrew]

Well I rode a 24:13 which equated to 24.8 mph. I was one of the few on a road bike. I'll post my splits when I get them, but they were attrocious. Fast out of the gate and then leaked sand like a sieve until the last lap. I averaged about 27-28 down the back stretch and 22 up the front stretch. The best part was coming down the finishing stretch on pit row...I hit and maintained 29 mph. I was hammering so hard the front tire was bouncing. Blew through line...can't wait to see the finishing pic...and coasted to a stop. A couple of race officials come up and ask if I need medical attention. Clocked my pulse at 184-186. Seriously felt like yaking. It was 15 minutes until I caught my breath.

I have even more respect for these pro bikers and their ability. Got a good measure of how piss poor my conditioning is. That said, I didn't see any 200+ lbs passing me! Time to work on a better training plan.

..... HR @ 185?! :X

Great stuff- BNB! No TT bike, no aero-bars (remember- >1MPH for me)... and you still threw it down pretty damn well IMO. Hope you catch your breath in time for Monday- whatta enormous ride... whoa.

Thanks..but I don't feel that great about it. We always hate coming up short on our goals. I'm kicking myself for leaking 13 secs...less than 2 a lap....just 1% more effort and I make it. Then when I digest that and realize that I didn't have another 1% in me, I'm kicking myself for crappy conditioning and shaking my head about what I'll have to do to see improvement.

 

[BassNBrew]

what is the rationale for having that ride on a monday?

Referring to Mitchell? It's always been on a Saturday until this year. Still sold out in 2 hours with the Monday date. I haven't heard a reason, but I can think of three...1) Race packets get picked up the day before. Logistics on a Friday eve must be tough.2) I'm assuming police services are more readily available on Monday.3) Most likely traffic on Mitchell and the Blue Ridge Parkway is probably a quarter of the volume of that on a Saturday. May be a safety issue or a request from the state park service.

 

[Dash]

I put in 5 good miles in 46:43 today. Beat my old best time by 3 minutes.

I ran the first mile at a nice easy pace, then I did three miles at about 90%, and finished off the last mile at about the same pace as the first.

Tomorrow I plan on doing just 2.25 miles after work.

Nice work.

 

[Dash]

Well I rode a 24:13 which equated to 24.8 mph. I was one of the few on a road bike. I'll post my splits when I get them, but they were attrocious. Fast out of the gate and then leaked sand like a sieve until the last lap. I averaged about 27-28 down the back stretch and 22 up the front stretch. The best part was coming down the finishing stretch on pit row...I hit and maintained 29 mph. I was hammering so hard the front tire was bouncing. Blew through line...can't wait to see the finishing pic...and coasted to a stop. A couple of race officials come up and ask if I need medical attention. Clocked my pulse at 184-186. Seriously felt like yaking. It was 15 minutes until I caught my breath.I have even more respect for these pro bikers and their ability. Got a good measure of how piss poor my conditioning is. That said, I didn't see any 200+ lbs passing me! Time to work on a better training plan.

First off, way to race! You're going to have to post that finishing picture. Second, is 184-186 near your max HR? Was it that high during most of the effort?

 

[Poppa]

Any of you running vets have any thoughts/advice/direction on running in altitude (Rockies) while training only in the flats? In other words - if I wish to run a slow marathon in the Rockies this summer...without any training in similar altitudes...what am I gonna expect?Good luck to you racers this weekend!

Bump for the new week. This thread moves too fast...!(Unlike me... )

Looks like none of us has specific advice on this one. I would presume you'll be pulling in less oxygen, and therefore just be slower. I don't know how to train for that, though. Start your runs with some speed so that you're more tired from the get-go?

Get to the race location as early as you can (ie: as many days ahead of time as you can) to get yourself acclimated to the altitude. I vaguely remember something about drinking more water to accomodate for somethingerother... dunno- the metric system mebbe?

Thanks fella's! Mostly wondered/concerned what effect the altitude will have on my heart rate...and if I will be fatigued sooner than I would expect on the flats - with the same amount of effort. Hills haven't bothered me for years...and very much enjoy the challenge of running 'em. Buuuut - I've never run hills at 'altitude'! So - Haven't yet decided if I can make it out there...but excitement is definitely building thinking about the challenge. Legs feel great after my 50k of mid-May....and I'm simply wanting to point myself somewhere 'cool'! Leadville Marathon is what I'm considering...I'll certainly let you know if I can pull it off!

 

[GStrot]

I put in 5 good miles in 46:43 today. Beat my old best time by 3 minutes. I ran the first mile at a nice easy pace, then I did three miles at about 90%, and finished off the last mile at about the same pace as the first.Tomorrow I plan on doing just 2.25 miles after work.

Nice job.

 

[GStrot]

I put in 5 good miles in 46:43 today. Beat my old best time by 3 minutes. I ran the first mile at a nice easy pace, then I did three miles at about 90%, and finished off the last mile at about the same pace as the first.Tomorrow I plan on doing just 2.25 miles after work.

Nice run, Darrin!I've been mainly doing some short bike workouts in the morning and some dumbbells a couple of times at night. Planning on a couple of good swims this weekend.

I found that hanging out with dumbbells at night really impacted my ability to wake up early the next morning.

 

[SFBayDuck]

3 miles at around 9:45 pace on Tuesday at lunch, then 1 1/2 hours of full court hoops last night. I still have to take the day off after playing basketball, but I've noticed that as I've gotten in better shape and dropped a few lbs, my legs aren't feeling nearly as bad as they used to afterwards. Maybe I'll be able to do a "slow run" pretty soon on the day after. I put that in quotes, 'cause all my runs are slow, but y'all know what I mean.

Plan on 3 miles either tomorrow or Saturday, followed by 4.5 miles (increase of .5 mile over my previous long run last weekend) on Sunday. Either that or the long run on Saturday and play hoops Sunday morning, depends on family schedule.

I think I might have to get that yoga video someone here recommended as well. I've always had a problem keeping my legs from tightening up. Even though I warm up and stretch before doing anything (and after), I often have to stop 5-6 minutes into a run to stretch my calves again for 30 seconds or so. I'm hoping that will increase my flexibility, and decrease my recovery time.

 

[culdeus]

Well I rode a 24:13 which equated to 24.8 mph. I was one of the few on a road bike. I'll post my splits when I get them, but they were attrocious. Fast out of the gate and then leaked sand like a sieve until the last lap. I averaged about 27-28 down the back stretch and 22 up the front stretch. The best part was coming down the finishing stretch on pit row...I hit and maintained 29 mph. I was hammering so hard the front tire was bouncing. Blew through line...can't wait to see the finishing pic...and coasted to a stop. A couple of race officials come up and ask if I need medical attention. Clocked my pulse at 184-186. Seriously felt like yaking. It was 15 minutes until I caught my breath.

I have even more respect for these pro bikers and their ability. Got a good measure of how piss poor my conditioning is. That said, I didn't see any 200+ lbs passing me! Time to work on a better training plan.

..... :X HR @ 185?! :X

Great stuff- BNB! No TT bike, no aero-bars (remember- >1MPH for me)... and you still threw it down pretty damn well IMO. Hope you catch your breath in time for Monday- whatta enormous ride... whoa.

Thanks..but I don't feel that great about it. We always hate coming up short on our goals. I'm kicking myself for leaking 13 secs...less than 2 a lap....just 1% more effort and I make it. Then when I digest that and realize that I didn't have another 1% in me, I'm kicking myself for crappy conditioning and shaking my head about what I'll have to do to see improvement.

And don't forget you were on the absolute worst possible gear arrangement for what you were doing.

 

[GStrot]

This is me apparently finishing the marathon in under 3 hours.

See that fat guy behind me? (BEHIND ME) Funny story, he was going at a glacial pace and went through the water station. He grabbed a Gatorade, you know because he was using up a lot of electrolytes. Then as he "ran" by the bin where they were putting the finished cups, he threw his half empty cup to the ground. As if at his pace he could not be bothered to try and toss it in or even near the garbage can. I think it was the sweatband but the guy looked like he was trying too hard to look like he could win the race. That moment just struck me as odd.

 

[culdeus]

This is me apparently finishing the marathon in under 3 hours.

See that fat guy behind me? (BEHIND ME) Funny story, he was going at a glacial pace and went through the water station. He grabbed a Gatorade, you know because he was using up a lot of electrolytes. Then as he "ran" by the bin where they were putting the finished cups, he threw his half empty cup to the ground. As if at his pace he could not be bothered to try and toss it in or even near the garbage can. I think it was the sweatband but the guy looked like he was trying too hard to look like he could win the race. That moment just struck me as odd.

huh?

 

[GStrot]

This is me apparently finishing the marathon in under 3 hours.

See that fat guy behind me? (BEHIND ME) Funny story, he was going at a glacial pace and went through the water station. He grabbed a Gatorade, you know because he was using up a lot of electrolytes. Then as he "ran" by the bin where they were putting the finished cups, he threw his half empty cup to the ground. As if at his pace he could not be bothered to try and toss it in or even near the garbage can. I think it was the sweatband but the guy looked like he was trying too hard to look like he could win the race. That moment just struck me as odd.

huh?

The guy threw his cup down like he was running really fast and couldn't be bothered to drop it in the trash can that was about a foot past where he threw his cup down. I am sure he saw on tv how all the fast runners throw down their cup and felt he had to do it, too.Then there was this guy.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

Then there was this guy.

Admit it. You competed in the Gay Games, didn't you? :nttiawwt:

 

[El Floppo]

Any of you running vets have any thoughts/advice/direction on running in altitude (Rockies) while training only in the flats? In other words - if I wish to run a slow marathon in the Rockies this summer...without any training in similar altitudes...what am I gonna expect?Good luck to you racers this weekend!

Bump for the new week. This thread moves too fast...!(Unlike me... )

Looks like none of us has specific advice on this one. I would presume you'll be pulling in less oxygen, and therefore just be slower. I don't know how to train for that, though. Start your runs with some speed so that you're more tired from the get-go?

Get to the race location as early as you can (ie: as many days ahead of time as you can) to get yourself acclimated to the altitude. I vaguely remember something about drinking more water to accomodate for somethingerother... dunno- the metric system mebbe?

Thanks fella's! Mostly wondered/concerned what effect the altitude will have on my heart rate...and if I will be fatigued sooner than I would expect on the flats - with the same amount of effort. Hills haven't bothered me for years...and very much enjoy the challenge of running 'em. Buuuut - I've never run hills at 'altitude'! So - Haven't yet decided if I can make it out there...but excitement is definitely building thinking about the challenge. Legs feel great after my 50k of mid-May....and I'm simply wanting to point myself somewhere 'cool'! Leadville Marathon is what I'm considering...I'll certainly let you know if I can pull it off!

As always, I'm in complete awe of you and these ultras... I assume you've done some running at altitude, no? What I've done is tough- even at 4k ft the heart and lungs burn (and this was when I was in college and at my peak fitness with soccer) and the head pounds. Shortness of breath happens just walking around at 7-8k ft for me- even when fit- as does the head pounding. Running at that altitude was real tough.If you're looking for another ultra- there's a fantastic race out in my childhood stomps in N Cal. The Dipsea- it's actually a 7-8 mile race on trails up over the coastal range across from San Francisco, starting in a town called Mill Valley and ending at Stinson Beach, where you 'dip in the sea'. I'd guess there's about 3k worth of climbing (and descending) in that stretch. The ultra part happens I think the same day- runners either finish, or head back to Mill Valley (the Double Dipsea) where they finish OR head back out for another loop (the Quad Dipsea). I'm seeing you as a Quad Dipsea kinda guy ... plus, it gives you an excuse to visit San Francisco. However- I think the race is either very, very soon, or just happened.

 

[El Floppo]

This is me apparently finishing the marathon in under 3 hours.

See that fat guy behind me? (BEHIND ME) Funny story, he was going at a glacial pace and went through the water station. He grabbed a Gatorade, you know because he was using up a lot of electrolytes. Then as he "ran" by the bin where they were putting the finished cups, he threw his half empty cup to the ground. As if at his pace he could not be bothered to try and toss it in or even near the garbage can. I think it was the sweatband but the guy looked like he was trying too hard to look like he could win the race. That moment just struck me as odd.

Tell me you beat the littering fat *******?Hate to say it, but I always throw the cup on the ground. I'm never done drinking until I'm out of the water-station- but I at least try and throw it down in the "drop zone" with the rest of the cups that are already there rather than midway between aid stations. If I'm still drinking, I'll usually hold on to it or put in my race belt.

 

[El Floppo]

Well I rode a 24:13 which equated to 24.8 mph. I was one of the few on a road bike. I'll post my splits when I get them, but they were attrocious. Fast out of the gate and then leaked sand like a sieve until the last lap. I averaged about 27-28 down the back stretch and 22 up the front stretch. The best part was coming down the finishing stretch on pit row...I hit and maintained 29 mph. I was hammering so hard the front tire was bouncing. Blew through line...can't wait to see the finishing pic...and coasted to a stop. A couple of race officials come up and ask if I need medical attention. Clocked my pulse at 184-186. Seriously felt like yaking. It was 15 minutes until I caught my breath.

I have even more respect for these pro bikers and their ability. Got a good measure of how piss poor my conditioning is. That said, I didn't see any 200+ lbs passing me! Time to work on a better training plan.

..... HR @ 185?! :X

Great stuff- BNB! No TT bike, no aero-bars (remember- >1MPH for me)... and you still threw it down pretty damn well IMO. Hope you catch your breath in time for Monday- whatta enormous ride... whoa.

Thanks..but I don't feel that great about it. We always hate coming up short on our goals. I'm kicking myself for leaking 13 secs...less than 2 a lap....just 1% more effort and I make it. Then when I digest that and realize that I didn't have another 1% in me, I'm kicking myself for crappy conditioning and shaking my head about what I'll have to do to see improvement.

And don't forget you were on the absolute worst possible gear arrangement for what you were doing.

... I forgot all about his 28 (or whatever ridiculously low number) small chainring.Add that 1mph+ that aero-bars will give you, and you'd be cranking that puppy out in 25mph+ easy... very respectable.

And seriously- 25mph for 30 minutes... that seems pretty ####### fast to me, regardless of what I've been able to do over longer distances.

 

[El Floppo]

3 miles at around 9:45 pace on Tuesday at lunch, then 1 1/2 hours of full court hoops last night. I still have to take the day off after playing basketball, but I've noticed that as I've gotten in better shape and dropped a few lbs, my legs aren't feeling nearly as bad as they used to afterwards. Maybe I'll be able to do a "slow run" pretty soon on the day after. I put that in quotes, 'cause all my runs are slow, but y'all know what I mean.Plan on 3 miles either tomorrow or Saturday, followed by 4.5 miles (increase of .5 mile over my previous long run last weekend) on Sunday. Either that or the long run on Saturday and play hoops Sunday morning, depends on family schedule.I think I might have to get that yoga video someone here recommended as well. I've always had a problem keeping my legs from tightening up. Even though I warm up and stretch before doing anything (and after), I often have to stop 5-6 minutes into a run to stretch my calves again for 30 seconds or so. I'm hoping that will increase my flexibility, and decrease my recovery time.

Where'd you run? I wanna know so I can get jealous and hate more on my own typical running route. My favorite run out there was up on Tam- I'd park at that Inn/restaurant (can't believe I'm spacing on the name.. ) run the above the road up to Pan Toll, cross over and run below the road back- I think on a trail called Troop 80 (above Muir Woods). So very damn nice. Argh... gotta psych myself up to go for my usual East River/ FDR Drive run later this afternoon...

 

[GStrot]

This is me apparently finishing the marathon in under 3 hours.

See that fat guy behind me? (BEHIND ME) Funny story, he was going at a glacial pace and went through the water station. He grabbed a Gatorade, you know because he was using up a lot of electrolytes. Then as he "ran" by the bin where they were putting the finished cups, he threw his half empty cup to the ground. As if at his pace he could not be bothered to try and toss it in or even near the garbage can. I think it was the sweatband but the guy looked like he was trying too hard to look like he could win the race. That moment just struck me as odd.

Tell me you beat the littering fat *******?Hate to say it, but I always throw the cup on the ground. I'm never done drinking until I'm out of the water-station- but I at least try and throw it down in the "drop zone" with the rest of the cups that are already there rather than midway between aid stations. If I'm still drinking, I'll usually hold on to it or put in my race belt.

But you are running at a pace above glacial. There really was no reason for this guy to throw the cup down like he did. Plenty of people threw their cups down, just the way he did it was funny. I guess you had to be there.

 

[Darrinll40]

This is me apparently finishing the marathon in under 3 hours.

See that fat guy behind me? (BEHIND ME) Funny story, he was going at a glacial pace and went through the water station. He grabbed a Gatorade, you know because he was using up a lot of electrolytes. Then as he "ran" by the bin where they were putting the finished cups, he threw his half empty cup to the ground. As if at his pace he could not be bothered to try and toss it in or even near the garbage can. I think it was the sweatband but the guy looked like he was trying too hard to look like he could win the race. That moment just struck me as odd.

Tell me you beat the littering fat *******?Hate to say it, but I always throw the cup on the ground. I'm never done drinking until I'm out of the water-station- but I at least try and throw it down in the "drop zone" with the rest of the cups that are already there rather than midway between aid stations. If I'm still drinking, I'll usually hold on to it or put in my race belt.

But you are running at a pace above glacial. There really was no reason for this guy to throw the cup down like he did. Plenty of people threw their cups down, just the way he did it was funny. I guess you had to be there.

In every race I have run so far there has bee nowhere to throw the cups except for the ground. If there were containers I would throw them there, if I had water.

 

[GStrot]

This is me apparently finishing the marathon in under 3 hours.

See that fat guy behind me? (BEHIND ME) Funny story, he was going at a glacial pace and went through the water station. He grabbed a Gatorade, you know because he was using up a lot of electrolytes. Then as he "ran" by the bin where they were putting the finished cups, he threw his half empty cup to the ground. As if at his pace he could not be bothered to try and toss it in or even near the garbage can. I think it was the sweatband but the guy looked like he was trying too hard to look like he could win the race. That moment just struck me as odd.

Tell me you beat the littering fat *******?Hate to say it, but I always throw the cup on the ground. I'm never done drinking until I'm out of the water-station- but I at least try and throw it down in the "drop zone" with the rest of the cups that are already there rather than midway between aid stations. If I'm still drinking, I'll usually hold on to it or put in my race belt.

But you are running at a pace above glacial. There really was no reason for this guy to throw the cup down like he did. Plenty of people threw their cups down, just the way he did it was funny. I guess you had to be there.

In every race I have run so far there has bee nowhere to throw the cups except for the ground. If there were containers I would throw them there, if I had water.

You are a better man than that guy then. Would you drop it or throw it down forcefully?

 

[Darrinll40]

This is me apparently finishing the marathon in under 3 hours.

See that fat guy behind me? (BEHIND ME) Funny story, he was going at a glacial pace and went through the water station. He grabbed a Gatorade, you know because he was using up a lot of electrolytes. Then as he "ran" by the bin where they were putting the finished cups, he threw his half empty cup to the ground. As if at his pace he could not be bothered to try and toss it in or even near the garbage can. I think it was the sweatband but the guy looked like he was trying too hard to look like he could win the race. That moment just struck me as odd.

Tell me you beat the littering fat *******?Hate to say it, but I always throw the cup on the ground. I'm never done drinking until I'm out of the water-station- but I at least try and throw it down in the "drop zone" with the rest of the cups that are already there rather than midway between aid stations. If I'm still drinking, I'll usually hold on to it or put in my race belt.

But you are running at a pace above glacial. There really was no reason for this guy to throw the cup down like he did. Plenty of people threw their cups down, just the way he did it was funny. I guess you had to be there.

In every race I have run so far there has bee nowhere to throw the cups except for the ground. If there were containers I would throw them there, if I had water.

You are a better man than that guy then. Would you drop it or throw it down forcefully?

When you run you want to use all your energy in your legs, throwing it down forcefully would be a complete waste of energy. Usually I just open my hand over the grass and drop it.

 

[El Floppo]

This is me apparently finishing the marathon in under 3 hours.

See that fat guy behind me? (BEHIND ME) Funny story, he was going at a glacial pace and went through the water station. He grabbed a Gatorade, you know because he was using up a lot of electrolytes. Then as he "ran" by the bin where they were putting the finished cups, he threw his half empty cup to the ground. As if at his pace he could not be bothered to try and toss it in or even near the garbage can. I think it was the sweatband but the guy looked like he was trying too hard to look like he could win the race. That moment just struck me as odd.

Tell me you beat the littering fat *******?Hate to say it, but I always throw the cup on the ground. I'm never done drinking until I'm out of the water-station- but I at least try and throw it down in the "drop zone" with the rest of the cups that are already there rather than midway between aid stations. If I'm still drinking, I'll usually hold on to it or put in my race belt.

But you are running at a pace above glacial. There really was no reason for this guy to throw the cup down like he did. Plenty of people threw their cups down, just the way he did it was funny. I guess you had to be there.

In every race I have run so far there has bee nowhere to throw the cups except for the ground. If there were containers I would throw them there, if I had water.

You are a better man than that guy then. Would you drop it or throw it down forcefully?

:naked-tomahawk:

 

[culdeus]

This is me apparently finishing the marathon in under 3 hours.

See that fat guy behind me? (BEHIND ME) Funny story, he was going at a glacial pace and went through the water station. He grabbed a Gatorade, you know because he was using up a lot of electrolytes. Then as he "ran" by the bin where they were putting the finished cups, he threw his half empty cup to the ground. As if at his pace he could not be bothered to try and toss it in or even near the garbage can. I think it was the sweatband but the guy looked like he was trying too hard to look like he could win the race. That moment just struck me as odd.

Tell me you beat the littering fat *******?Hate to say it, but I always throw the cup on the ground. I'm never done drinking until I'm out of the water-station- but I at least try and throw it down in the "drop zone" with the rest of the cups that are already there rather than midway between aid stations. If I'm still drinking, I'll usually hold on to it or put in my race belt.

But you are running at a pace above glacial. There really was no reason for this guy to throw the cup down like he did. Plenty of people threw their cups down, just the way he did it was funny. I guess you had to be there.

In every race I have run so far there has bee nowhere to throw the cups except for the ground. If there were containers I would throw them there, if I had water.

You are a better man than that guy then. Would you drop it or throw it down forcefully?

When you run you want to use all your energy in your legs, throwing it down forcefully would be a complete waste of energy. Usually I just open my hand over the grass and drop it.

+1

 

[SFBayDuck]

3 miles at around 9:45 pace on Tuesday at lunch, then 1 1/2 hours of full court hoops last night. I still have to take the day off after playing basketball, but I've noticed that as I've gotten in better shape and dropped a few lbs, my legs aren't feeling nearly as bad as they used to afterwards. Maybe I'll be able to do a "slow run" pretty soon on the day after. I put that in quotes, 'cause all my runs are slow, but y'all know what I mean.Plan on 3 miles either tomorrow or Saturday, followed by 4.5 miles (increase of .5 mile over my previous long run last weekend) on Sunday. Either that or the long run on Saturday and play hoops Sunday morning, depends on family schedule.I think I might have to get that yoga video someone here recommended as well. I've always had a problem keeping my legs from tightening up. Even though I warm up and stretch before doing anything (and after), I often have to stop 5-6 minutes into a run to stretch my calves again for 30 seconds or so. I'm hoping that will increase my flexibility, and decrease my recovery time.

Where'd you run? I wanna know so I can get jealous and hate more on my own typical running route. :( My favorite run out there was up on Tam- I'd park at that Inn/restaurant (can't believe I'm spacing on the name.. ) run the above the road up to Pan Toll, cross over and run below the road back- I think on a trail called Troop 80 (above Muir Woods). So very damn nice. Argh... gotta psych myself up to go for my usual East River/ FDR Drive run later this afternoon...

My office is right downtown, One Market, so when I run at work it's along the Embarcadero. Starting at the Ferry Building, down to and around the ballpark and back to the Ferry Building is 3 miles, all right on the bay obviously. Some nice lunch time eye candy on a good day doesn't hurt.I want to start hitting some more scenic runs up in Marin on weekends as my distance improves. Right now I just run along the bike path/running trail along the creek from Larkspur down to Ross and back, sometimes stopping at College of Marin to run around the track a few times. When I lived in Sausalito I used to hike up in the headlands a lot, I'd like to get back there and run those trails. Nothing like coming up over the ridge and seeing the Pacific in front of you, the Bay behind you, and the Golden Gate just to the south.

 

[El Floppo]

I want to start hitting some more scenic runs up in Marin on weekends as my distance improves. Right now I just run along the bike path/running trail along the creek from Larkspur down to Ross and back, sometimes stopping at College of Marin to run around the track a few times. When I lived in Sausalito I used to hike up in the headlands a lot, I'd like to get back there and run those trails. Nothing like coming up over the ridge and seeing the Pacific in front of you, the Bay behind you, and the Golden Gate just to the south.

Last time I lived out there was the summer after grad-school... I'd go straight from my folks' house up to the headlands, either running or on my mtn bike and catch the sun setting over the pacific exactly as you described not quite the same here (although there are some moments in Central Park that are pretty amazing).Have you done the Phoenix Lake loop? forget how long, but it's flat and really nice. IIRC, you can throw a bunch of things onto that run that take you up Tam or into the hills... sigh.

 

[SFBayDuck]

Have you done the Phoenix Lake loop? forget how long, but it's flat and really nice. IIRC, you can throw a bunch of things onto that run that take you up Tam or into the hills... sigh.

I haven't, but found it online, looks to be just under 6 miles, and it's only a couple of miles from my place. I may have to check that out this weekend, make that the place for my 4.5 mile run, with a little extra warm up and cool down to get all the way around. Thanks for the tip. While searching for it, found a website with 20 or so trail runs in Marin....now I'm thinking about getting off the pavement and onto some trails.....see where this damned running thing can take you?

 

[Poppa]

Any of you running vets have any thoughts/advice/direction on running in altitude (Rockies) while training only in the flats? In other words - if I wish to run a slow marathon in the Rockies this summer...without any training in similar altitudes...what am I gonna expect?Good luck to you racers this weekend!

Bump for the new week. This thread moves too fast...!(Unlike me... )

Looks like none of us has specific advice on this one. I would presume you'll be pulling in less oxygen, and therefore just be slower. I don't know how to train for that, though. Start your runs with some speed so that you're more tired from the get-go?

Get to the race location as early as you can (ie: as many days ahead of time as you can) to get yourself acclimated to the altitude. I vaguely remember something about drinking more water to accomodate for somethingerother... dunno- the metric system mebbe?

Thanks fella's! Mostly wondered/concerned what effect the altitude will have on my heart rate...and if I will be fatigued sooner than I would expect on the flats - with the same amount of effort. Hills haven't bothered me for years...and very much enjoy the challenge of running 'em. Buuuut - I've never run hills at 'altitude'! So - Haven't yet decided if I can make it out there...but excitement is definitely building thinking about the challenge. Legs feel great after my 50k of mid-May....and I'm simply wanting to point myself somewhere 'cool'! Leadville Marathon is what I'm considering...I'll certainly let you know if I can pull it off!

As always, I'm in complete awe of you and these ultras... I assume you've done some running at altitude, no? What I've done is tough- even at 4k ft the heart and lungs burn (and this was when I was in college and at my peak fitness with soccer) and the head pounds. Shortness of breath happens just walking around at 7-8k ft for me- even when fit- as does the head pounding. Running at that altitude was real tough.If you're looking for another ultra- there's a fantastic race out in my childhood stomps in N Cal. The Dipsea- it's actually a 7-8 mile race on trails up over the coastal range across from San Francisco, starting in a town called Mill Valley and ending at Stinson Beach, where you 'dip in the sea'. I'd guess there's about 3k worth of climbing (and descending) in that stretch. The ultra part happens I think the same day- runners either finish, or head back to Mill Valley (the Double Dipsea) where they finish OR head back out for another loop (the Quad Dipsea). I'm seeing you as a Quad Dipsea kinda guy ... plus, it gives you an excuse to visit San Francisco. However- I think the race is either very, very soon, or just happened.

Thanks for the word...

 

[SFBayDuck]

Any of you running vets have any thoughts/advice/direction on running in altitude (Rockies) while training only in the flats? In other words - if I wish to run a slow marathon in the Rockies this summer...without any training in similar altitudes...what am I gonna expect?

Good luck to you racers this weekend!

Bump for the new week. This thread moves too fast...!(Unlike me... )

Looks like none of us has specific advice on this one. I would presume you'll be pulling in less oxygen, and therefore just be slower. I don't know how to train for that, though. Start your runs with some speed so that you're more tired from the get-go?

Get to the race location as early as you can (ie: as many days ahead of time as you can) to get yourself acclimated to the altitude. I vaguely remember something about drinking more water to accomodate for somethingerother... dunno- the metric system mebbe?

Thanks fella's! Mostly wondered/concerned what effect the altitude will have on my heart rate...and if I will be fatigued sooner than I would expect on the flats - with the same amount of effort. Hills haven't bothered me for years...and very much enjoy the challenge of running 'em. Buuuut - I've never run hills at 'altitude'! So - Haven't yet decided if I can make it out there...but excitement is definitely building thinking about the challenge. Legs feel great after my 50k of mid-May....and I'm simply wanting to point myself somewhere 'cool'!

Leadville Marathon is what I'm considering...I'll certainly let you know if I can pull it off!

As always, I'm in complete awe of you and these ultras... I assume you've done some running at altitude, no? What I've done is tough- even at 4k ft the heart and lungs burn (and this was when I was in college and at my peak fitness with soccer) and the head pounds. Shortness of breath happens just walking around at 7-8k ft for me- even when fit- as does the head pounding. Running at that altitude was real tough.

If you're looking for another ultra- there's a fantastic race out in my childhood stomps in N Cal. The Dipsea- it's actually a 7-8 mile race on trails up over the coastal range across from San Francisco, starting in a town called Mill Valley and ending at Stinson Beach, where you 'dip in the sea'. I'd guess there's about 3k worth of climbing (and descending) in that stretch. The ultra part happens I think the same day- runners either finish, or head back to Mill Valley (the Double Dipsea) where they finish OR head back out for another loop (the Quad Dipsea).

I'm seeing you as a Quad Dipsea kinda guy ... plus, it gives you an excuse to visit San Francisco. However- I think the race is either very, very soon, or just happened.

Thanks for the word...

Dipsea is this Sunday, and it does seem right up Poppa's alley (if he did a double or more, of course).http://www.dipsea.org/

 

[DolphinsPhan]

Finally got back out there yesterday after being on vacation for a week. I did get to the gym twice while on vacation. Very interesting running on a treadmill on a cruise ship that is in rough seas!

Just did 2 miles at a relaxed pace. Ended up doing them both at 8:40 pace. I guess training for my 5k at 8mm pace really paid off since it now seems pretty easy to run a a little faster. I will do a "long" run this weekend, probably 7 miles.

Question...when you guys are doing long runs, how did you figure out when and how much you needed to eat during the run? Did you say I am going to run for 90 minutes and at 45 minutes I will have 1 gu pack and then see what happens? I am figuring this will be trial and error, but I am looking for a place to start. Now when I run my 7 miles in just under an hour, I don't consume anything. . Since I will start officially training for my 1/2 marathon later this summer, I am going to have to figure out some method for eating while running.

 

[El Floppo]

Upped my run to 25 minutes. Slow and low, that is the tempo.

No pain, although still tired from the PT tues.

Swim today. Bike tomorrow- I'll up my ride to 3 Central Park loops (18m+13 commute). 40 minute run with a gb on Sunday- even slower than my slow runs- my buddy is slow, and I'm going to want to keep it conversational just so I'm not tempted to do anything that will do damage.

 

[tri-man 47]

Question...when you guys are doing long runs, how did you figure out when and how much you needed to eat during the run? Did you say I am going to run for 90 minutes and at 45 minutes I will have 1 gu pack and then see what happens? I am figuring this will be trial and error, but I am looking for a place to start. Now when I run my 7 miles in just under an hour, I don't consume anything. . Since I will start officially training for my 1/2 marathon later this summer, I am going to have to figure out some method for eating while running.

Rule of thumb is about 250 calories/hour. For anything under ninety minutes or so, I wouldn't worry much about anything more than fluids, though. So a gel pack every 45 minutes, along with some calories in the fluids, should generally suffice for an endurance run.

 

[DolphinsPhan]

Question...when you guys are doing long runs, how did you figure out when and how much you needed to eat during the run? Did you say I am going to run for 90 minutes and at 45 minutes I will have 1 gu pack and then see what happens? I am figuring this will be trial and error, but I am looking for a place to start. Now when I run my 7 miles in just under an hour, I don't consume anything. . Since I will start officially training for my 1/2 marathon later this summer, I am going to have to figure out some method for eating while running.

Rule of thumb is about 250 calories/hour. For anything under ninety minutes or so, I wouldn't worry much about anything more than fluids, though. So a gel pack every 45 minutes, along with some calories in the fluids, should generally suffice for an endurance run.

Exactly the type of answer I was looking for So what are some of the food favorites out there - gu, clif shots, blocks??? I have never had any of them so any recommendations would be great, including the "these taste like crap" ones.

 

[tri-man 47]

3 miles at around 9:45 pace on Tuesday at lunch, then 1 1/2 hours of full court hoops last night. I still have to take the day off after playing basketball, but I've noticed that as I've gotten in better shape and dropped a few lbs, my legs aren't feeling nearly as bad as they used to afterwards.

Unless you're going out with the guys for beer after hoops (recommended anywhere outside of this thread), it would be good to have a protein shake at home when you're done playing. That should help with a quicker recovery. You'd want to try and do that within 30 minutes or so.

I think I might have to get that yoga video someone here recommended as well. I've always had a problem keeping my legs from tightening up. Even though I warm up and stretch before doing anything (and after), I often have to stop 5-6 minutes into a run to stretch my calves again for 30 seconds or so. I'm hoping that will increase my flexibility, and decrease my recovery time.

I tend to have tight calves, so when I can during the day, I'll stand with the ball of my feet on the edge of a stair or curb, and let the back of my feet drop lower, which stretches the calves quite well.

 

[tri-man 47]

Question...when you guys are doing long runs, how did you figure out when and how much you needed to eat during the run? Did you say I am going to run for 90 minutes and at 45 minutes I will have 1 gu pack and then see what happens? I am figuring this will be trial and error, but I am looking for a place to start. Now when I run my 7 miles in just under an hour, I don't consume anything. . Since I will start officially training for my 1/2 marathon later this summer, I am going to have to figure out some method for eating while running.

Rule of thumb is about 250 calories/hour. For anything under ninety minutes or so, I wouldn't worry much about anything more than fluids, though. So a gel pack every 45 minutes, along with some calories in the fluids, should generally suffice for an endurance run.

Exactly the type of answer I was looking for So what are some of the food favorites out there - gu, clif shots, blocks??? I have never had any of them so any recommendations would be great, including the "these taste like crap" ones.

I tend to buy a box of PowerGels and use those. But they were handing out Gu during my marathon (differing flavors), and those were fine. Years ago, a friend who worked as an EMT told me that for diabetics, they'd stabilize them in the ambulance by putting a piece of candy in the gums (back of the mouth). The sugar got into the system most quickly that way. With the gels, using this logic, I push it to the back corners of my mouth before swallowing. I find it's easier to swallow anyway when it's warmed in my mouth. So this is a win-win.

 

[Poppa]

Question...when you guys are doing long runs, how did you figure out when and how much you needed to eat during the run? Did you say I am going to run for 90 minutes and at 45 minutes I will have 1 gu pack and then see what happens? I am figuring this will be trial and error, but I am looking for a place to start. Now when I run my 7 miles in just under an hour, I don't consume anything. . Since I will start officially training for my 1/2 marathon later this summer, I am going to have to figure out some method for eating while running.

Rule of thumb is about 250 calories/hour. For anything under ninety minutes or so, I wouldn't worry much about anything more than fluids, though. So a gel pack every 45 minutes, along with some calories in the fluids, should generally suffice for an endurance run.

Exactly the type of answer I was looking for So what are some of the food favorites out there - gu, clif shots, blocks??? I have never had any of them so any recommendations would be great, including the "these taste like crap" ones.

GU is a given for me. 'Training runs are generally in the 60-90 minute range (conversational pace) and I will GU before I start out. Any planned run over this time and I'll GU again about an hour in. Will never eat on a 'training' run - unless planned for 3 hrs or so...Any Marathon-like race distance will have me GU'ing every 45-60 minutes...along with 1/2 a protein bar - MET-Rx meal replacement bars (400 calories/30+ protein grams...) every coupla hours. I simply get hungry...and know whether hungry or not...that I oughta actually eat something, other than GU. My CamelBak (which I never run without)...also keeps me in calories via a Gatorade/Whey protein mix (both powders - to control strength).

 

[culdeus]

Question...when you guys are doing long runs, how did you figure out when and how much you needed to eat during the run? Did you say I am going to run for 90 minutes and at 45 minutes I will have 1 gu pack and then see what happens? I am figuring this will be trial and error, but I am looking for a place to start. Now when I run my 7 miles in just under an hour, I don't consume anything. . Since I will start officially training for my 1/2 marathon later this summer, I am going to have to figure out some method for eating while running.

Rule of thumb is about 250 calories/hour. For anything under ninety minutes or so, I wouldn't worry much about anything more than fluids, though. So a gel pack every 45 minutes, along with some calories in the fluids, should generally suffice for an endurance run.

Exactly the type of answer I was looking for So what are some of the food favorites out there - gu, clif shots, blocks??? I have never had any of them so any recommendations would be great, including the "these taste like crap" ones.

GU is a given for me. 'Training runs are generally in the 60-90 minute range (conversational pace) and I will GU before I start out. Any planned run over this time and I'll GU again about an hour in. Will never eat on a 'training' run - unless planned for 3 hrs or so...Any Marathon-like race distance will have me GU'ing every 45-60 minutes...along with 1/2 a protein bar - MET-Rx meal replacement bars (400 calories/30+ protein grams...) every coupla hours. I simply get hungry...and know whether hungry or not...that I oughta actually eat something, other than GU. My CamelBak (which I never run without)...also keeps me in calories via a Gatorade/Whey protein mix (both powders - to control strength).

u put powdered stuff in your camelbak? Bold. Very bold.

 

[brettdj]

For cycling I have used power bars (vanilla crisp) and shot blocs (lime and cherry?)

I do not apreciate the gu. I did take one with me this past week on a ride, because it is very quick to get in the system.

Otherwise for me the rule of thumbe is 1 power bar per hour, start 1/2 hour in. Shot blocs, 1 block every 10 minutes or so and just suck on it.

This worked very well on my trip last year from Pittsburgh to DC on the bike trail. We also stopped for meals.

 

[SFBayDuck]

3 miles at around 9:45 pace on Tuesday at lunch, then 1 1/2 hours of full court hoops last night. I still have to take the day off after playing basketball, but I've noticed that as I've gotten in better shape and dropped a few lbs, my legs aren't feeling nearly as bad as they used to afterwards.

Unless you're going out with the guys for beer after hoops (recommended anywhere outside of this thread), it would be good to have a protein shake at home when you're done playing. That should help with a quicker recovery. You'd want to try and do that within 30 minutes or so.

I think I might have to get that yoga video someone here recommended as well. I've always had a problem keeping my legs from tightening up. Even though I warm up and stretch before doing anything (and after), I often have to stop 5-6 minutes into a run to stretch my calves again for 30 seconds or so. I'm hoping that will increase my flexibility, and decrease my recovery time.

I tend to have tight calves, so when I can during the day, I'll stand with the ball of my feet on the edge of a stair or curb, and let the back of my feet drop lower, which stretches the calves quite well.

Thx for the response. This week we did have a couple beers after playing, but usually I head home afterwards. Have never done any protein (or any other kind) of shakes, I'll have to try that. Would eating some protein do the same thing? And as I'm a "how does that work" kind of guy, what's the theory behind protein helping lessen recovery time?I do that calf stretch on stairs and curbs as well, but usually before and after with a workout. Sounds like I should make a conscious effort to do it even more throughout the day like you suggest.

 

[Poppa]

Question...when you guys are doing long runs, how did you figure out when and how much you needed to eat during the run? Did you say I am going to run for 90 minutes and at 45 minutes I will have 1 gu pack and then see what happens? I am figuring this will be trial and error, but I am looking for a place to start. Now when I run my 7 miles in just under an hour, I don't consume anything. . Since I will start officially training for my 1/2 marathon later this summer, I am going to have to figure out some method for eating while running.

Rule of thumb is about 250 calories/hour. For anything under ninety minutes or so, I wouldn't worry much about anything more than fluids, though. So a gel pack every 45 minutes, along with some calories in the fluids, should generally suffice for an endurance run.

Exactly the type of answer I was looking for So what are some of the food favorites out there - gu, clif shots, blocks??? I have never had any of them so any recommendations would be great, including the "these taste like crap" ones.

GU is a given for me. 'Training runs are generally in the 60-90 minute range (conversational pace) and I will GU before I start out. Any planned run over this time and I'll GU again about an hour in. Will never eat on a 'training' run - unless planned for 3 hrs or so...Any Marathon-like race distance will have me GU'ing every 45-60 minutes...along with 1/2 a protein bar - MET-Rx meal replacement bars (400 calories/30+ protein grams...) every coupla hours. I simply get hungry...and know whether hungry or not...that I oughta actually eat something, other than GU. My CamelBak (which I never run without)...also keeps me in calories via a Gatorade/Whey protein mix (both powders - to control strength).

u put powdered stuff in your camelbak? Bold. Very bold.

How come...?

 

[culdeus]

Question...when you guys are doing long runs, how did you figure out when and how much you needed to eat during the run? Did you say I am going to run for 90 minutes and at 45 minutes I will have 1 gu pack and then see what happens? I am figuring this will be trial and error, but I am looking for a place to start. Now when I run my 7 miles in just under an hour, I don't consume anything. . Since I will start officially training for my 1/2 marathon later this summer, I am going to have to figure out some method for eating while running.

Rule of thumb is about 250 calories/hour. For anything under ninety minutes or so, I wouldn't worry much about anything more than fluids, though. So a gel pack every 45 minutes, along with some calories in the fluids, should generally suffice for an endurance run.

Exactly the type of answer I was looking for So what are some of the food favorites out there - gu, clif shots, blocks??? I have never had any of them so any recommendations would be great, including the "these taste like crap" ones.

GU is a given for me. 'Training runs are generally in the 60-90 minute range (conversational pace) and I will GU before I start out. Any planned run over this time and I'll GU again about an hour in. Will never eat on a 'training' run - unless planned for 3 hrs or so...Any Marathon-like race distance will have me GU'ing every 45-60 minutes...along with 1/2 a protein bar - MET-Rx meal replacement bars (400 calories/30+ protein grams...) every coupla hours. I simply get hungry...and know whether hungry or not...that I oughta actually eat something, other than GU. My CamelBak (which I never run without)...also keeps me in calories via a Gatorade/Whey protein mix (both powders - to control strength).

u put powdered stuff in your camelbak? Bold. Very bold.

How come...?

that #### cakes in there and will never come out. Then again you don't have handy little bottle holders built right in either to carry dual fluids.

 

[Poppa]

Question...when you guys are doing long runs, how did you figure out when and how much you needed to eat during the run? Did you say I am going to run for 90 minutes and at 45 minutes I will have 1 gu pack and then see what happens? I am figuring this will be trial and error, but I am looking for a place to start. Now when I run my 7 miles in just under an hour, I don't consume anything. . Since I will start officially training for my 1/2 marathon later this summer, I am going to have to figure out some method for eating while running.

Rule of thumb is about 250 calories/hour. For anything under ninety minutes or so, I wouldn't worry much about anything more than fluids, though. So a gel pack every 45 minutes, along with some calories in the fluids, should generally suffice for an endurance run.

Exactly the type of answer I was looking for So what are some of the food favorites out there - gu, clif shots, blocks??? I have never had any of them so any recommendations would be great, including the "these taste like crap" ones.

GU is a given for me. 'Training runs are generally in the 60-90 minute range (conversational pace) and I will GU before I start out. Any planned run over this time and I'll GU again about an hour in. Will never eat on a 'training' run - unless planned for 3 hrs or so...Any Marathon-like race distance will have me GU'ing every 45-60 minutes...along with 1/2 a protein bar - MET-Rx meal replacement bars (400 calories/30+ protein grams...) every coupla hours. I simply get hungry...and know whether hungry or not...that I oughta actually eat something, other than GU. My CamelBak (which I never run without)...also keeps me in calories via a Gatorade/Whey protein mix (both powders - to control strength).

u put powdered stuff in your camelbak? Bold. Very bold.

How come...?

that #### cakes in there and will never come out. Then again you don't have handy little bottle holders built right in either to carry dual fluids.

No no no...Powers mixed together beforehand in hot water - stirred/shaken and completely dissolved. Mixed with 64-96 oz of water in the CamelBak has never been a problem! Years and years going this route. Wash with hot water after each use (simply running hot, hot water through the bag and tube...little bit o' shakin'...) and hang upside down in front of the kithen window - "poofed" open to air/sun dry the inside...and with the tube hanging down to drain. Once or twice a year will "thoroughly" clean with the tube brush and a baby bottle brush-thing cleaner. Mold (mainly in the tube) has to get bad enough for me to do this...Otherwise I simply don't care enough... Seriously no issues. Greatest running invention since water itself... Gatorade "uncut"...is simply too strong for my tastes.

 

[El Floppo]

re: Gels:

I've haven't tried anything new in the last year and a half- but prior to that I tried literally every gel on the market.

For running, I found Plain Gus the easiest to digest. Not the most tasty- but no bad taste or after-taste either. Clifs are decent too for the flavored ones- the best tasting, IMO and IIRC made from all natural ingredients (or maybe that's just their bars)- another nice thing about Clif gels is they're designed so that the part you rip stays attached to the packet- no having to fumble with that little bit of plastic ripped top.

I have specific electrolyte needs, so on the bike I settled in on E-Gels (the most calories and electrolytes of all the gels)- but they can be almost too sweet for my liking.

 

[El Floppo]

Question...when you guys are doing long runs, how did you figure out when and how much you needed to eat during the run? Did you say I am going to run for 90 minutes and at 45 minutes I will have 1 gu pack and then see what happens? I am figuring this will be trial and error, but I am looking for a place to start. Now when I run my 7 miles in just under an hour, I don't consume anything. . Since I will start officially training for my 1/2 marathon later this summer, I am going to have to figure out some method for eating while running.

Rule of thumb is about 250 calories/hour. For anything under ninety minutes or so, I wouldn't worry much about anything more than fluids, though. So a gel pack every 45 minutes, along with some calories in the fluids, should generally suffice for an endurance run.

Excellently t-m!I agree with the 90 minute mark for when you start taking extra fuel in (or if you know you're going over 90, start taking fuel as t-m mentioned, every 45)

 

[tri-man 47]

For cycling I have used power bars (vanilla crisp) and shot blocs (lime and cherry?)I do not apreciate the gu. I did take one with me this past week on a ride, because it is very quick to get in the system.Otherwise for me the rule of thumbe is 1 power bar per hour, start 1/2 hour in. Shot blocs, 1 block every 10 minutes or so and just suck on it.This worked very well on my trip last year from Pittsburgh to DC on the bike trail. We also stopped for meals.

I was almost going to say that this sounds like a lot of calories ...but you start off "For cyling ..." in which case I agree. I've noticed that when I get into a long bike ride, and/or right after the ride, I'm one hungry critter.

 

[tri-man 47]

Thx for the response. This week we did have a couple beers after playing, but usually I head home afterwards. Have never done any protein (or any other kind) of shakes, I'll have to try that. Would eating some protein do the same thing? And as I'm a "how does that work" kind of guy, what's the theory behind protein helping lessen recovery time?

Muscles are built from protein ...and the body cannot store protein. So when you exercise, you break down muscle ("stress ...recover ...improve"). Giving your body an infusion of protein helps it during that rebuilding process, which is why it's beneficial to take it in within 15-30 minutes of a workout as the body starts to mend.

 

[SFBayDuck]

Thx for the response. This week we did have a couple beers after playing, but usually I head home afterwards. Have never done any protein (or any other kind) of shakes, I'll have to try that. Would eating some protein do the same thing? And as I'm a "how does that work" kind of guy, what's the theory behind protein helping lessen recovery time?

Muscles are built from protein ...and the body cannot store protein. So when you exercise, you break down muscle ("stress ...recover ...improve"). Giving your body an infusion of protein helps it during that rebuilding process, which is why it's beneficial to take it in within 15-30 minutes of a workout as the body starts to mend.

Aha, didn't know about the "body cannot store protein" part. I have so much to learn.......

 

[Dash]

Thanks to culdeus for all the pointers, advice, and feedback in my search for a road bicycle.

Tomorrow morning will be my first ride on my new toy. Tonight after work I'll install the wireless computer, water bottle cages, & pump holder. I've planned a route that has one solid hill, some short rollers, and long flats for a total of about 12 miles (if I feel good at mile 10 I can loop back to add another 8+ before the 2 mile ride home).

 

[El Floppo]

Thanks to culdeus for all the pointers, advice, and feedback in my search for a road bicycle.

Tomorrow morning will be my first ride on my new toy. Tonight after work I'll install the wireless computer, water bottle cages, & pump holder. I've planned a route that has one solid hill, some short rollers, and long flats for a total of about 12 miles (if I feel good at mile 10 I can loop back to add another 8+ before the 2 mile ride home).

Congrats Dash! She shore do got a purty mouth... and wheels. I don't have to even ask about specifics as I'm sure Culdeus set you up optimally. Enjoy riding outside for a change!

 

[El Floppo]

Thx for the response. This week we did have a couple beers after playing, but usually I head home afterwards. Have never done any protein (or any other kind) of shakes, I'll have to try that. Would eating some protein do the same thing? And as I'm a "how does that work" kind of guy, what's the theory behind protein helping lessen recovery time?

Muscles are built from protein ...and the body cannot store protein. So when you exercise, you break down muscle ("stress ...recover ...improve"). Giving your body an infusion of protein helps it during that rebuilding process, which is why it's beneficial to take it in within 15-30 minutes of a workout as the body starts to mend.

Aha, didn't know about the "body cannot store protein" part. I have so much to learn.......

Oh yeah... that's that whole protein thing I can never remember- and Accelerade/Endurox's big selling point.Once I start getting longer runs/rides in, I guess I'll dust of the old tin o' Endurox.