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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (9 Viewers)

I'll write later this week but I'm fairly happy with the ?. Great event, beautiful course, and with only 324 finishers small enough to not be congested.

http://www.harpethhillsmarathon.com/Runners/finishers2017.html

20th place overall, first from Alabama. There a handful of 70 year olds out there which is absolutely humbling. 

I might do it again but I might focus on a BQ for 2018. 
Only 1 monkey kill though. You need to work on that for next year. 

Nice job.  :headbang: :thumbup:

 
Philadelphia Marathon Race Report

First off thank you for all the support and kind words in this thread, it is appreciated.  Going into this race I thought I was in slightly worse shape than I was in 2015 when I ran a 2:59 but still thought sub 3 was possible.  Prior to my 10k I was feeling pretty confident of breaking 3 based on my training in October.

Oct 2015               342 miles             8:00 pace             137 HR

Oct 2017               327 miles             8:01 pace             137 HR

After running the 10K 5 sec/mile slower than 2015 I was a less optimistic of a sub 3 marathon but still thought I had a chance.

The race day plan was to follow the Greg Maclin pace band for the Philly course, I had it setup to run the first half in 1:30 and the second in 1:29:59.  Because I didn’t feel real confident about breaking 3 I didn’t want to get too far ahead of my pace band.

The weather on race day wasn’t ideal with 20 mph winds.  The first issue with the weather was pre-race, the weather forecast showed that the rain was supposed to be done by 5:00 AM which wouldn’t be an issue with the race starting at 7.  That morning the forecast changed with it raining past 6.  I didn’t want to be standing around in the rain so hung out at the train station as long as I could, but I also remembered @Ned having an issue getting through security here so I left the train station at 6.  Timing wise it worked out well as I got to the corral 10 minutes before the start, but my shoes got wet waiting in the security line in the rain.

I felt like I had three tools available to help me stay on plan and not run too fast 1) the 3:00 pacer 2) the pace band with conjunction with the mile markers 3) the HR monitor (not sure what the ideal HR should be but knowing that anything over 170 in the first half is bad).

I lined up in the back of the corral at the start and saw that 3 hr pacer was towards the front.  I decided to stay in the back and focus on keeping the first mile under control.

Miles 1-3 Plan (7:01, 6:54, 6:48, 20:43 Cumulative Time) Actual 20:46

The first couple miles were more crowded than expected and the 3 hr pacer was well out in front of me.  I past the first mile marker at 7:03 happy to be close to my plan.  GPS doesn’t work so well in the first 7 miles because of the buildings so I starting using the HR because I wasn’t trusting the pace the watch was telling me.  This seemed to work pretty well, I missed the 2 mile marker but got to the 3 mile marker in 20:46 with an average HR of 167 over miles 2-3.  At this point I can’t even see the 3 hr pacer and I passed the 3:10 pacer just before the 3 mile marker.  I’m happy I’m not with the 3 hr pacer.

Miles 4-13 Plan (1:29:14 Cumulative Time) Actual 1:29:20

I was happy with how the HRM was working and I was typically only 5-6 sec off my pace band’s cumulative time at each mile marker.  Every time that I would see 170 on my watch I would slow down a bit, I figured with the wind the HRM was the best tool available to run at an even effort.  My average HR was 168.8 for these miles.  I am feeling good about running to my plan at this point. 

Miles 14-17 Plan (1:56:25 Cumulative Time) Actual 1:56:46

In mile 14 I was running pretty relaxed and could now see the 3 hr pacer, running this mile in 6:48. Miles 15 and 16 were pretty tough running into the wind and I fell behind an additional 14 seconds over these miles.  For mile 17 the wind stopped and I couldn’t believe it, I made the decision that even though I was behind pace that I wouldn’t allow my HR to average over 170 until the 20 mile marker.  I felt good about how I managed the race and felt like I was running the marathon like @tri-man 47, silly me.  Mile 17 was 6:48 168 HR.

Miles 18-19 Plan (2:10:04 Cumulative Time) Actual 2:10:51

The wind came back and here I started feeling pain in the ball my right foot and some tightness in my right hamstring.  My pace was slowing but I didn’t want to increase the effort level yet.  I was hoping that the wind alone was the reason I was slowing down, but in mile 19 I went up a little hill and my legs never snapped back. 

Miles 20-21 Plan (2:23:50 Cumulative Time) Actual 2:25:23

It obvious now that sub 3 isn’t happening and I am trying to avoid a total death march.  I missed the 20 mile marker and I grinded out these two miles at 7:14 pace.

Miles 22-26.2 (2:59:59 Cumulative Time) Actual 3:08:51

The reason why we train the way we do is to avoid situations like this but here I am.  Just total survival mode, foot is throbbing, hamstring is tight.  I decided during this part of the race that after this I am going to quit running.  People who ran the race properly are passing me left and right.  In the last .2 mile the 3:10 pacer passed me.  Pace for these miles 7:38, 8:10, 8:38, 8:36, 8:06. 

I have to admit I was pretty pissed off about this race for about 24 hrs.  Now I feel good about how I executed the plan the first half of the race.  For whatever I reason I didn’t have it on this day, I really don’t think the weather was the primary reason for my performance, the fitness wasn’t there.  I am going have to decide if I want to put in the work to get better, but this isn’t the time to make that decision, that can wait until the end of December.  One of my old training partners wants me to focus on 5K and 10Ks this spring, we’ll see.

 
Great report despite the difficult end. Again, I can't relate in the slightest but I'm still amazed at the preparation and mental toughness it takes. And to still finish despite that adversity at the end is awesome.

Congrats!

 
Philadelphia Marathon Race Report

Miles 22-26.2 (2:59:59 Cumulative Time) Actual 3:08:51

The reason why we train the way we do is to avoid situations like this but here I am.  Just total survival mode, foot is throbbing, hamstring is tight.  I decided during this part of the race that after this I am going to quit running.  People who ran the race properly are passing me left and right.  In the last .2 mile the 3:10 pacer passed me.  Pace for these miles 7:38, 8:10, 8:38, 8:36, 8:06. 

I have to admit I was pretty pissed off about this race for about 24 hrs.  Now I feel good about how I executed the plan the first half of the race.  For whatever I reason I didn’t have it on this day, I really don’t think the weather was the primary reason for my performance, the fitness wasn’t there.  I am going have to decide if I want to put in the work to get better, but this isn’t the time to make that decision, that can wait until the end of December.  One of my old training partners wants me to focus on 5K and 10Ks this spring, we’ll see.
I hope the bolded was sarcasm / that in the moment feeling of why in the hell am I doing this?? 

Awesome race report.  I can't fathom gunning for a sub-3.  You guys are crazy fast.  Well it sounds as though you should be proud of that race, considering you executed how you wanted and gutted out a great time.  You're right in that for whatever reason you didn't quite have it as you had hoped on that day.  That doesn't mean your race wasn't a success, and it sounds as though you get that.  Great job pbm. 

 
Very nice, @pbm107 !  You tease about the HR, but in hindsight, it seems that using it was effective in keeping you under control over the first 18-20 miles ...imagine the pain if you'd gotten ahead of yourself too early!  But it sounds like it came down to tough conditions and training that wasn't quite where you wanted it.  I still think it's great that you went for it, final miles notwithstanding.   :hifive:

 
@pbm107  Do you think you took in enough calories?  (I'm assuming you bonked in addition to the foot and hamstring issues but I'm not certain from the report.)

 
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@pbm107  Do you think you took in enough calories?  (I'm assuming you bonked in addition to the foot and hamstring issues but I'm not certain from the report.)
I took about 4 Clif shot blocks which is similar to what I have done in the past, I think I bonked more because I ran faster than I should have on that day.  Who knows. 

 
Nice work @pbm107. I could feel your pain at the end there. But congrats on getting 7 minute BQ! We really have sky high expectations of ourselves these days, don't we? 

A local strava buddy of mine also ran Philly and he's a beast like yourself (sub 18 minute 5k) and he had a tough day as well. I'm not sure he put in mileage necessary for a great marathon but he ran the first half in 1:30 and ended up with a 3:14. So he's on the outside looking in at Boston with a less than 1 minute BQ.

In regards to the HRM, don't you worry that as fit as you are aerobically that your HR might not be the best judge of how hard you're working? I figured going into my race that cardio would not be my limiting factor, so I never even looked at it. (It wasn't accurate anyway) 

 
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Philadelphia Marathon Race Report
:thumbup:

My son ran his first ever marathon Sunday.  Weather was tough.

And if it makes you feel any better - a friend of mine ran New York a couple weeks ago and Philly Sunday

He said Philly was much tougher

 
Miles 22-26.2 (2:59:59 Cumulative Time) Actual 3:08:51

The reason why we train the way we do is to avoid situations like this but here I am.  Just total survival mode, foot is throbbing, hamstring is tight.  I decided during this part of the race that after this I am going to quit running.  People who ran the race properly are passing me left and right.  In the last .2 mile the 3:10 pacer passed me.  Pace for these miles 7:38, 8:10, 8:38, 8:36, 8:06. 

I have to admit I was pretty pissed off about this race for about 24 hrs.  Now I feel good about how I executed the plan the first half of the race.  For whatever I reason I didn’t have it on this day, I really don’t think the weather was the primary reason for my performance, the fitness wasn’t there.  I am going have to decide if I want to put in the work to get better, but this isn’t the time to make that decision, that can wait until the end of December.  One of my old training partners wants me to focus on 5K and 10Ks this spring, we’ll see.
Love reading this section for a couple of reasons:

1. It shows that runners of all skill levels and fitness levels experience the same thoughts at this point in a marathon. So for guys like me who are slow as dirt, it's good to know that guys with your skill level still have the same pains and doubts and frustrations.

2. Then the second paragraph - the realization that you pulled some good out of a day that was still a damn good race. 

Nice work.  :thumbup:

 
Love reading this section for a couple of reasons:

1. It shows that runners of all skill levels and fitness levels experience the same thoughts at this point in a marathon.
Pretty much anyone who has run a marathon has been through it, you spend months training for one event and your reward is the last 6 miles of a marathon.

 
Love reading this section for a couple of reasons:

1. It shows that runners of all skill levels and fitness levels experience the same thoughts at this point in a marathon. So for guys like me who are slow as dirt, it's good to know that guys with your skill level still have the same pains and doubts and frustrations.

2. Then the second paragraph - the realization that you pulled some good out of a day that was still a damn good race. 

Nice work.  :thumbup:
You wanna know why that is?

Because it's the one thing you can't really simulate in training. The last 10K takes you into the unknown zone. You sorta just pray that all the training and taper will give strength to finish strong. Sometimes it happens and it's sorta a miracle. 

 
I find it incredible that a failed race still net a sub 3:10.  I think that really shows just how great of a runner you are.  I'm gonna go out on a limb and say after you've taken a month to reset your mind that whatever goal you decide to pursue is a sitting duck.

 
@pbm107 - what a gutty effort.  The marathon is a beast and I'm in awe at how you battled through wind and wet shoes.  Don't underestimate their impact.  Congratulations on a terrific run and hoping you will join our growing contingent of FBGs in Boston.  :hifive:

 
Nice work @pbm107. I could feel your pain at the end there. But congrats on getting 7 minute BQ! We really have sky high expectations of ourselves these days, don't we? 
This.  Aggressive goals always come with a chance of "failure", but when you crush your BQ time that's an awfully impressive consolation prize.  

 
I find it incredible that a failed race still net a sub 3:10.  I think that really shows just how great of a runner you are.  I'm gonna go out on a limb and say after you've taken a month to reset your mind that whatever goal you decide to pursue is a sitting duck.
Since tweaking my calf again (different spot) last week, that's about all I've been.

PT says in a way it's a good sign - as my muscles that haven't been working right start to do so, there's a cascade effect on others. The results of 5-6 years of compensation. Hope I'm getting near the end of that cascade, as I'm really sick of not being able to get out and run consistently.

 
So you plan to kill again? @gianmarco be careful where you wear that gorilla costume. 
If I don't it will be because I'm 

A. Running the Dizzy 50s instead, local 50k, same weekend. 

B. Going for a BQ in early December, the rocket City marathon. 

C. LLifegot busy and I'm going shorter. (This upcoming year will be interesting)

ChiefD said:
Love reading this section for a couple of reasons:

1. It shows that runners of all skill levels and fitness levels experience the same thoughts at this point in a marathon. So for guys like me who are slow as dirt, it's good to know that guys with your skill level still have the same pains and doubts and frustrations.

2. Then the second paragraph - the realization that you pulled some good out of a day that was still a damn good race. 

Nice work.  :thumbup:
:yes: :goodposting:

 
If I don't it will be because I'm 

A. Running the Dizzy 50s instead, local 50k, same weekend. 

B. Going for a BQ in early December, the rocket City marathon. 

C. LLifegot busy and I'm going shorter. (This upcoming year will be interesting)

:yes: :goodposting:
Why you wanna wait so long to try for a BQ? You gonna miss 2019 with us if you wait til December 2018!

 
I decided during this part of the race that after this I am going to quit running. 
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:   Man, we've all been there... :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Congrats on a solid, gutty performance.  Assuming I can hold up my end of the bargain next spring, I'm looking forward to seeing you at Boston in 2019...

 
Great race and report @pbm107. Looking forward to crashing the FFA BQ-ers party and meeting you and the others here in Boston 2019.

And ####### @-OZ-, 8;19s in a marathon with 2,500+ feet of elevation?  Dude that is beastly. :thumbup:  

 
Why you wanna wait so long to try for a BQ? You gonna miss 2019 with us if you wait til December 2018!
It's unlikely that I'd make it in 2019, but maybe I'll look and find a BQable marathon this spring.  country music in April is possible but we'll have to see what life brings.

 
51 runners? lol 

That doesn't have a very good BQ score either. Would you be willing to travel? 
Probably not more than 100 miles driving. Needs to be a one day event for now.

Looking at the shoals, I'd have to be 2nd place to BQ.

 
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Anybody else Turkey Trotting tomorrow morning?

I'm doing a 5K with the wife. Guessing it'll probably take us 40ish minutes, but I'm proud of her for doing it. She did 3+ with me last night, so I know she's capable. She's not a runner AT ALL (and rarely works out), so it's impressive that she can basically just get off the couch and run the distance.

 
Anybody else Turkey Trotting tomorrow morning?

I'm doing a 5K with the wife. Guessing it'll probably take us 40ish minutes, but I'm proud of her for doing it. She did 3+ with me last night, so I know she's capable. She's not a runner AT ALL (and rarely works out), so it's impressive that she can basically just get off the couch and run the distance.
Doing a 5k as well. Hamstring isn’t well and diet hasn’t been any better. Praying to cross the line somewhere close to 20 mins.

 
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Anybody else Turkey Trotting tomorrow morning?

I'm doing a 5K with the wife. Guessing it'll probably take us 40ish minutes, but I'm proud of her for doing it. She did 3+ with me last night, so I know she's capable. She's not a runner AT ALL (and rarely works out), so it's impressive that she can basically just get off the couch and run the distance.


i am. 5 miler here in town. really a nice way to start the day. great segue in to football and stuffing my face with appetizers.
8k in the morning along Bayshore starting at Amelie Arena (basically same back and forth course I did in February for Gasparilla 8k).  Did the 5k last year.  Then home for breakfast and continuous booze and some moar food.

 
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