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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (12 Viewers)

gruecd said:
Never carry mine :shrug:  
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:hifive:   

@bud29, yeah, a salad at dinner (dinner in general) then a run later on could be the issue.  

@jb1020 - awesome that you'll be on the show!  Can't wait to see it and all your scripted false sincerity.

@SayWhat? - very excited for you!  Quit beating yourself up over the DNF.  As your pre-race planning demonstrates, that race was a teachable moment that now sets you up for these future successes.  When we challenge our limits like that, we don't always come out on top ...and that's OK.  ish.

@Spartans Rule - good to hear about the HM!  Build some longer runs into your training and you'll be good to go.

 
gianmarco said:
Oh, tried the FlipBelt.

Love it!!

Thanks to both of you who mentioned it. Did my track workout today with phone, ID, car key and had no idea it was even there. So freaking comfortable.
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Mine is on the way 

 
Juxtatarot said:
 Running on airport runways will be more accurate than up, down and around a mountain.  I think we road runners are used to it being more accurate than a trail runner like you.  Most officially measured 5Ks that I've run have been very close -- 3.10 to 3.15 -- and I should be over since I don't run perfect tangents.  Also, I've never measured short on any officially measured course (except the track) but I have measured short on other courses.  
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The thing with most trail races is that they just aren't even expected to be a set distance.  A "100 miler" could be anywhere from 100.3 to 106 miles.  I've measured 50Ks anywhere from 29 and change to 32 and change.  And the Moab 200 is actually 240 miles (and I think they changed the name this year to reflect that).  So my comment is more about the expectation of road runners for the advertised distance to be exact, and for their GPS to match that.  I've seen runners not count a 5K PR because their Garmin showed 3.04 miles or something, and my point is that's probably silly, especially if it's a big city race.  

My most inaccurate run ever was in NYC.  I looked at the distance and time after the run and was amazed at how the energy of The City had propelled me to one of my fastest training runs ever, even while having to wait at crosswalks multiple times, while feeling so easy.  Then I looked closer at the gps track which showed me running back and forth across the street as I ran through the streets of Manhattan and hitting sub-4:00 pace a few times. 

Of course my favorite GPS track (not mine) was the dude who ran 100 miles around a track....on a moving cruise ship.  For some reason that activity was flagged.

 
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SFBayDuck said:
 I've seen runners not count a 5K PR because their Garmin showed 3.04 miles or something, and my point is that's probably silly, especially if it's a big city race.  
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Yes, we mostly agree.  Races that are certified at the distance will generally say so on their website.  For instance, the race Tri-man, Brony and I are running Saturday: "The Itasca Oktoberfast 5K course is USATF certified (certification number #IL11072JW)".  But many of your smaller races aren't properly measured.  And they will often be off. 

If I PRed a 5K on a course that wasn't certified, and it measured 3.04 on my Garmin, I definitely wouldn't count it.  Maybe it was actually at 3.10 but there is good reason to suspect it wasn't.  And keep in mind that on an officially measured course, you can't run less than the distance (unless you're literally cutting corners).   Like I mentioned, on non-certificated courses I've measured short but in my recollection never on a  certified course.  That makes sense to me and demonstrates the accuracy isn't that bad in certain situations (flat, mostly straight, few tunnels or tall building to mess with GPS, etc.).

 
SFBayDuck said:
And the Moab 200 is actually 240 miles (and I think they changed the name this year to reflect that).
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Is this the craziest race that exists? I'm fascinated reading about some of you guys and your 100-milers and now I find out that's apparently nowhere near the limit of what people are doing.

 
SFBayDuck said:
My most inaccurate run ever was in NYC.  I looked at the distance and time after the run and was amazed at how the energy of The City had propelled me to one of my fastest training runs ever while feeling so easy.  Then I looked closer at the gps track which showed me running back and forth across the street as I ran through the streets of Manhattan and hitting sub-4:00 pace a few times. 
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Notice the waviness is less in the park than in the streets next to all the tall buildings.

 
Spartans Rule said:
Is this the craziest race that exists? I'm fascinated reading about some of you guys and your 100-milers and now I find out that's apparently nowhere near the limit of what people are doing.
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Oh boy, now you've hit a topic that fires up the ultrarunner fanboy nerd in me!   :grad:

Moab 240 is definitely on the list of the toughest.  It's one of three "200 milers" that Race Director Candace Burt puts on, along with Bigfoot 200 and Tahoe 200. 

"Craziest" can have several definitions. Off the top of my head:

The Barkley Marathons - don't let the name fool you, it's actually 5 loops each of around 25-27 miles (nobody but the RD knows and no gps devices are allowed) through some gnarly, mostly off-trail, unmarked terrain.  And the weather is usually terrible for at least part of the time.  Out of around 1000 entrants in 32 years, there have been 18 finishes by 15 runners.

Badwater -135 miles on the road, through Death Valley, in the middle of July.  Temps hit 126 degrees during the race this year.  Runners bring their own crew in a van that typically meets them every 1-2 miles to refil their water and cover them in more ice. 

Spartathalon - just finished Scott Jurek's book North so moving on to Dean Karnazes' The Road to Sparta next.  I don't know a ton about this race other than that it's over 150 miles, I think it's mostly (all?) road, and the cutoff is 36 hours.

Tor des Geants (Tour of the Giants) - 205 miles through the Dolomites in Italy, with a cutoff of 150 hours.  Why so long?  How about over 78,000' of elevation gain?!?  I have a buddy who headed over there last week to give himself a couple of weeks playing around on the trails before the race in mid-September.  

Sri Chinmoy 3100 mile race.  I really don't know much about this one, other than that it's something like 60 miles a day over 50 days running around a block in New York City.  Seriously.  

Of course then you have your timed races - 12/24/48/72 hour and six day.  Some are on actual tracks, others are on set loops (one nearby here is a one-mile rectangle near the Bay).  

And the only one of these that I actually want to do (besides maybe Tahoe 200)....

Hardrock 100 - 33,000' of climbing and descent in Colorado's San Juan mountains, all at an average elevation of 11,000' (it gets up to 13K' a few times and 14K' once).  The Unknown is my favorite movie on the race, partly because I was there spectating that year.

Sorry all, I'll stop ultranerding out now.......

 
Juxtatarot said:
Yes, we mostly agree.  Races that are certified at the distance will generally say so on their website.  For instance, the race Tri-man, Brony and I are running Saturday: "The Itasca Oktoberfast 5K course is USATF certified (certification number #IL11072JW)".  But many of your smaller races aren't properly measured.  And they will often be off. 

If I PRed a 5K on a course that wasn't certified, and it measured 3.04 on my Garmin, I definitely wouldn't count it.  Maybe it was actually at 3.10 but there is good reason to suspect it wasn't.  And keep in mind that on an officially measured course, you can't run less than the distance (unless you're literally cutting corners).   Like I mentioned, on non-certificated courses I've measured short but in my recollection never on a  certified course.  That makes sense to me and demonstrates the accuracy isn't that bad in certain situations (flat, mostly straight, few tunnels or tall building to mess with GPS, etc.).
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My HM PR several years back was on a mostly flat but mildly winding trail north of Chicago, and it measured about 13.0 for me.  But I deliberately ran the tangents and feel like I shaved distance by running smart.  Don't hate!

OTOH, my three Bostons have all been around 26.4 due to the inability to run tangents on that course filled with runners.  In my already-mental planning for 2021, I'm adding two minutes to my time to account for the extra distance ..and a porta potty stop.  (Not that I can match Shalene's 20 second pee stop.   :tebow: ).

 
Brony said:
I've asked around to see if there are other places to run while staying on the strip and the answer I've got has been "Strip only". VMMV.  Sucks when you try running anytime besides morning but on the plus side, lots of Strava segments and stair workouts. 
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I ventured out to the neighborhoods east of the strip just to get away from the crowds. Forgettable scenery and probably not a good idea after dark, but it did the job.

 
Brony said:
I've asked around to see if there are other places to run while staying on the strip and the answer I've got has been "Strip only". VMMV.  Sucks when you try running anytime besides morning but on the plus side, lots of Strava segments and stair workouts. 
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If you have a rental car, there are great trails all around Vegas.  @parasaurolophus is your guy if interested.

 
MAC_32 said:
I ventured out to the neighborhoods east of the strip just to get away from the crowds. Forgettable scenery and probably not a good idea after dark, but it did the job.
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You're right - if you are around the hard Rock part of the strip that is very doable. I was last at Bellagio and Mandalay where the strip was the only option without a car /taxi. 

 
South of the LV sign on the Strip is pretty runnable.  Lots of neighborhoods south of the airport in Paradise are mostly dead throughout the day.  

 
Brony said:
You're right - if you are around the hard Rock part of the strip that is very doable. I was last at Bellagio and Mandalay where the strip was the only option without a car /taxi. 
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Rent a car. A pretty easy 45 minute drive and you can run in beautiful 70 degree weather with ponderosa pines all around you. 

ETA: actually depending on time of day it could be cooler.

 
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SayWhat? said:
Well I'm pretty bummed, it's looking like no excuses for me on Friday with near perfect weather in the forecast.  Highs in the mid 60's and lows in the low 50's.  Gorgeous.  Still need to do a bit of packing before heading up to the north shore tomorrow, but starting to get some jitters for Friday morning's 8am race start. 

This race is easily broken down into quarters.  First 25 miles are reasonable when compared to the race as a whole.  The goal is to get to Silver Bay at mile 25 in decent shape and do no minimal harm, because the following 26 miles are a #####.  That's the section that kicked my ### in 2016.  Lots of tricky terrain, plenty of climbing, and typically the heat of the day to deal with.  Once I get through that 2nd quarter and hit mile 51, nightfall will be upon me but I'll be picking up my pacer to get me through the night.  My pacer is my same buddy who picked me up in 2016 at Mile 51 in 31st place and moved us up to 14th through the course of the night over the next 35 miles.    He's planning to take take us through those exact same sections again, where he's planning to drop off partway into that last quarter at Mile 85 (Temperance River) just as *presumably* daylight is upon us.  From there the change from my 2016 race will be that I'll have no pacer for the last 18 miles.  Not going to lie...that's going to suck. The largest climb of the race awaits straight out of Temperance, and the remainder of the race is no cake walk.  But regardless, it'll be all mentally downhill from there if we get to Mile 85.

I'm in reasonable shape, though far from ideal.   I'm hoping to run at least as fast as I did two years ago, which was 27:22.  That was my first 100 miler, but I was better trained that year than I am currently.  Now?  Experience.  At least that's what I'm banking on.  :whistle:    I *think* I'll be disappointed if I don't run at least 27:22, but admittedly my 2016 race went almost flawlessly and anything can happen on this trail.  Here is my pace chart that I'll be carrying with me.  Should give you a good idea of what type of pace I'm on at any given aid station.  I did notice that reported times at the first aid station was waaaay off two years ago, I'm sure due to the volume of runners through in such a short amount of time so my pace card is when I actually hit that aid station.  I've got my 2016 time into each aid station on there from when I ran 27:22, as well as some average aid station times from last year for those runners that ran in roughly 25, 26, 27, 28, and 29 hours.  And by God if I need to reference the last column please intersect me out on the trail and push me off a cliff.  Also included for personal reference the number of minutes I spent in each aid station two years ago, and my goal for each aid station this year.  Hoping to shave some time by being more efficient in and out.  All that said, I just need to finish.  The field seems markedly faster this year than any year I can remember, so it'll be fun to see the top guys this year.  My prediction with the perfect record is that the 19:30 course record falls. 

So here's where I'm at.  I quit a 100 mile race last summer...at Mile 78.  I was totally untrained.  I was mentally beat down starting 25 miles into the race. It was wet and muddy, followed immediately by hot and humid.  I had chaffing so bad I had to hold the sack away from my legs for the last 10 miles.  In hindsight, those were all just excuses.   I could have finished that race.  It would've sucked, yes.  Badly.  But not as bad as that feeling the next day of a DNF knowing that I could have finished.  Unless I break or tear something this weekend, or I get pulled from the race by someone other than myself, that's just not happening again.  Not.  Happening.  That's what I've been promising myself and I'm putting it out there for public shaming if I don't uphold that.  Figure that's more fuel for the mental resolve fire when the #### hits the fan.  And it will. 

If you get bored and want to follow along (slooooooooowly of course), I'm Bib #125 right here.  And I think their Facebook page typically has updates. See you on the darkside fellas.  :thumbup:
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Good luck BMF ... not that you will need it. You put the time in, you put the miles in, the race is not a punishment, this race is your reward. 

 
SFBayDuck said:
Oh boy, now you've hit a topic that fires up the ultrarunner fanboy nerd in me!   :grad:

Moab 240 is definitely on the list of the toughest.  It's one of three "200 milers" that Race Director Candace Burt puts on, along with Bigfoot 200 and Tahoe 200. 

"Craziest" can have several definitions. Off the top of my head:

The Barkley Marathons - don't let the name fool you, it's actually 5 loops each of around 25-27 miles (nobody but the RD knows and no gps devices are allowed) through some gnarly, mostly off-trail, unmarked terrain.  And the weather is usually terrible for at least part of the time.  Out of around 1000 entrants in 32 years, there have been 18 finishes by 15 runners.

Badwater -135 miles on the road, through Death Valley, in the middle of July.  Temps hit 126 degrees during the race this year.  Runners bring their own crew in a van that typically meets them every 1-2 miles to refil their water and cover them in more ice. 

Spartathalon - just finished Scott Jurek's book North so moving on to Dean Karnazes' The Road to Sparta next.  I don't know a ton about this race other than that it's over 150 miles, I think it's mostly (all?) road, and the cutoff is 36 hours.

Tor des Geants (Tour of the Giants) - 205 miles through the Dolomites in Italy, with a cutoff of 150 hours.  Why so long?  How about over 78,000' of elevation gain?!?  I have a buddy who headed over there last week to give himself a couple of weeks playing around on the trails before the race in mid-September.  

Sri Chinmoy 3100 mile race.  I really don't know much about this one, other than that it's something like 60 miles a day over 50 days running around a block in New York City.  Seriously.  

Of course then you have your timed races - 12/24/48/72 hour and six day.  Some are on actual tracks, others are on set loops (one nearby here is a one-mile rectangle near the Bay).  

And the only one of these that I actually want to do (besides maybe Tahoe 200)....

Hardrock 100 - 33,000' of climbing and descent in Colorado's San Juan mountains, all at an average elevation of 11,000' (it gets up to 13K' a few times and 14K' once).  The Unknown is my favorite movie on the race, partly because I was there spectating that year.

Sorry all, I'll stop ultranerding out now.......
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Enduroman down?

need som tri love here

 
Is there any way to tell Strava to ignore a run for the purposes of PRs (but keep it for inclusion in monthly distance/activity totals)?  I "got" a 10k PR today but it was because my GPS was adding distance like crazy.  I hate the fact that I now have to beat a fabricated 10k -- makes for a tough target!

 
Zasada said:
Is there any way to tell Strava to ignore a run for the purposes of PRs (but keep it for inclusion in monthly distance/activity totals)?  I "got" a 10k PR today but it was because my GPS was adding distance like crazy.  I hate the fact that I now have to beat a fabricated 10k -- makes for a tough target!
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I don't think so.

One option though might be to delete the run but add the totals manually.

There is also a PR section that you can enter manually.  Perhaps you can use that for your purposes.

 
Zasada said:
Is there any way to tell Strava to ignore a run for the purposes of PRs (but keep it for inclusion in monthly distance/activity totals)?  I "got" a 10k PR today but it was because my GPS was adding distance like crazy.  I hate the fact that I now have to beat a fabricated 10k -- makes for a tough target!
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You just need to run faster now.

 
I'll try to get out tomorrow but I'm tempted to go out now and run to see what it's like. It's 100 but only a dew point of 43. I wonder if that's easier to run in than the 80/70 crap I deal with.

 
SFBayDuck said:
That was it. 

On another note, do you know anyone that has run Grindstone 100?  I’m having a hard time getting much intel on the course, what the race is like, and why it has a 38 hour cutoff. 
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Are you considering this?

It starts at 6 pm so you get stuck with two nights.

 
BassNBrew said:
Why are you coming out this way to do a race?

You have a crew set up?
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Because I DNFd AC100, and Grindstone was the last Hardrock qualifier this year that still had entries open.  And because I'm insane.

No crew or pacer set up.  You interested or know anyone?

 
Boston Marathon registration opens Monday.

Roll call?  Who's in? 

I guess I have to decide soon.  Would you agree to entertain me for at least one meal?

 
Juxtatarot said:
Boston Marathon registration opens Monday.

Roll call?  Who's in? 

I guess I have to decide soon.  Would you agree to entertain me for at least one meal?
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I have an outlook reminder set for September 17th.  It reads like I'll find out 2 days later if my time was good enough for entry.

 
SFBayDuck said:
He's through mile 25 in 4:57 and in 36th place, just ahead of the 28 hour column on his pace chart.  Next aid station is at mile 35, so if he stays on his current pace he should be there in 7:31, so about 2 hours from now (3:31 CT).  
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Don't be too concerned if he slows down about during this stretch, go @SayWhat?.

SayWhat? said:
First 25 miles are reasonable when compared to the race as a whole.  The goal is to get to Silver Bay at mile 25 in decent shape and do no minimal harm, because the following 26 miles are a #####.
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Juxtatarot said:
Yes, I recall you mentioned these intentions before.  It looks like you've been tapering this last week or so.  Feeling confident?
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Less confident than I was a few weeks ago, because of drinking too much last week weekend (football draft) and the warm weather my mileage was less than planned last week.  My running efficiency also has also decrease the past 2 weeks. The 10 day weather forecast is showing a suck index of 130 on race day, which is less than ideal.  

 
Juxtatarot said:
Boston Marathon registration opens Monday.

Roll call?  Who's in? 

I guess I have to decide soon.  Would you agree to entertain me for at least one meal?
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I am in for Boston.  I register on Wednesday as I’m 10 min BQ.

Count me in for at least one meal before raceday and beers after the race!  

 
Brony said:
This.   Always throws me off that (1) a race is happening mid-week and (2) long enough to track multiple times through the day/night.

Hope he's crushing this part of the course!!
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Mile 43.5 in 10:10, up from 54th to 50th place in that section.  He's a little over his 29 hour pace from his chart but also 20 minutes ahead of his 2016 pace - it looks like that year he made up ground in this upcoming section.

I wonder if he's already got a light on him or was planning to pick up his headlamp from his drop bag at mile 51.2, as he should be there a little after 8:00 CT and sunset there is about 7:30.  It'll still be "dusky" at 8:00, but if he slips behind in this section and doesn't have a light that could make things interesting for a mile or two.  #things100milerunnersworryabout 

He also picks up his pacer at this next aid station, which should give him a boost.   

 
Brony said:
This.   Always throws me off that (1) a race is happening mid-week and (2) long enough to track multiple times through the day/night.

Hope he's crushing this part of the course!!
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On that note how about following along with the Tahoe 200 which also kicked off this morning.  Eight hours in and the leaders are coming up on mile 50, while the back of the pack still has 175 miles to go.

Cool tracking because all of the runners have a SPOT gps device on them, so it's effectively real time on the map.  

 
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SFBayDuck said:
On that note how about following along with the Tahoe 200 which also kicked off this morning.  Eight hours in and the leaders are coming up on mile 50, while the back of the pack still has 175 miles to go.

Cool tracking because all of the runners have a SPOT gps device on them, so it's effectively real time on the map.  
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Thanks for posting!!  There is a guy a triathlon trained with back when I wasn't a tub of goo that is running there.  David Potter is a machine.  Former Army Ranger who, with insane humility, ho-hums his way to like 5 or 6 100 milers a year with a couple of full Ironmans tossed in.  TM you may have met Dave at DWD one of the years.  He does the 50 miler for kicks with his Dad (who has to be in his 70s).  

 
In at Cramer Road (mile 77.9) in 19:56, which is ahead of his 2016 time of 20:25.Up to 24th place. He's kicking some ###.

Go @SayWhat?!  :headbang:

 
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