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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (1 Viewer)

How did this process work? What information did he use to create the custom plan and how is your custom plan different from the standard Hansons plan?
Basically you have a form you fill out with your training & race history, goals, preferences, etc.  I specified that I preferred a 5x weekly plan, and wanted to focus the time-intensive runs to the weekends (when I have more time).  Also I told him about my race performance and my goals/timing for Calgary in May.  The form also asked if I had any races during the training cycle and I specified that I have a 10K in March and a 15K in early May.  Both of which he then incorporated into my training plan (which he posted to finalsurge.com).  We had some emails back and forth where I chatted with him about my preference for trails and he told me that trails are fine as long as they're not too technical.  For example, my favourite winter climb (Prairie Mountain, which is a 20% climb for about an hour and then an hour run down a ~12% grade after) isn't appropriate.  :(

I'm still not done the book but from what I can tell standard Hansons is 6x weekly and mine is 5x.  Also in the book the beginner plan looked too light/easy for me and the advanced too hard.  The plan Luke (or one of his lackeys) wrote for me is between the two (which is precisely what I was hoping for), and has me running only 3 weekdays each week.

Typical week of my plan:

  • Mon Rest
  • Tue Easy 10K
  • Wed Fartlek/Speed/Strength (depending on week)
  • Thu Easy 10K (increases to 12K)
  • Fri Rest
  • Sat Easy 10K (increases to 12K)
  • Sun alternates between Long Runs (max 25K) and MP/Tempo Runs (Max 15K + 3K WU + 3K CD)
The weeks of my races are adjusted a bit, as are the taper weeks.

Overall the plan looks great except for my general scepticism about Hanson's overall.  Most of the runs are much slower than I trained at for the last cycle and I still have this overwhelming bias for "no pain, no gain".  But it seems like there's a ton of science behind Hanson's and who am I to argue with science?

 
Basically you have a form you fill out with your training & race history, goals, preferences, etc.
Cool thanks, how detailed was the form on training history? Did he ask for your Strava profile to see what you did prior your last marathon? I would think it would be a challenge to generate a training plan for you considering the amount of elevation you run. Sorry for all the questions, I am a fan of Luke Humphrey and have considered purchasing a plan from him myself.

 
Cool thanks, how detailed was the form on training history? Did he ask for your Strava profile to see what you did prior your last marathon? I would think it would be a challenge to generate a training plan for you considering the amount of elevation you run. Sorry for all the questions, I am a fan of Luke Humphrey and have considered purchasing a plan from him myself.
No problem at all.  The form wasn't very detailed on training history (just asked for typical weekly mileage as well as max in the last year).  But it does ask for a Strava/other profile link, which I provided.  I don't know how much he looked at it (if at all).  We did chat about my elevation preferences but that was at my instigation and not his.  Not sure he would have raised it had I not.

If you're willing to pm me your email address, I can forward my whole dialogue with him as well as the training form I filled-out.

 
HAHAHAHA I think I just signed up for Ragnar Trail Appalachians! I love 24 hour racing on my MTB, those're super duper fun. Pretty sure this'll work out similarly.  

For a guy who hates running this'll be the most fun I have running all year.  -that and the finish of NYC

 
Last week didn't go to plan, but I think still managing 5.25 hours of exercise (3.5 hours running, 1.75 hours lifting) despite a tooth pulling mid-week can be chalked up as a win.  Just don't tell my dentist I lifted while on vicodin Friday (that was...interesting).  I may not have obeyed the no exercise for 72 hours instruction, but I was sure to check for blood throughout the workout so I'll call it a split since I listened to that one. Positive spin, I'm sure when I do my weekly weight check tomorrow I'll best my weight loss goal since unplanned IF ended up taking over.

Hoping to make this week a good one, but probably depends if I can stop taking advil tomorrow.

 
@Zasada will need to read your posts in more detail but very much 🍿 to see how a custom plan goes. The ‘by the book’ 6 day per week plans are what I’ve been using and absorbing best I can. I look all the time at a 5 day plan online and think I’ll go that route for the fall to force another day that can be rest or weight room (get swole). 

 
Just looking at my recommended paces and my head is exploding.  I imagine most first-time Hanson plan folks are like this.

Most times I go out for a run, and I just want to do something meaningful but not push my limits, I run at a 5:20/km pace (8:34/mi).  That's not by looking at my watch.  It's just by effort/feel and ends up at that pace.  Roughly.  

So I input a (slightly aggressive) target marathon time of 3:50 into Luke Humphrey's Calculator, and I get easy run paces of 6:23-7:00/km (10:16-11:15/mi).  WTF?  I can basically walk at a 7:00/km pace.  

Here are full results:

Workout Type | Pace/mi | Pace/km

  • Easy  10:16 - 11:16 | 6:23 - 7:00
  • Moderate  9:46 - 10:46 | 6:04 - 6:42
  • Long Runs  9:16 - 10:46 | 5:46 - 6:42
  • Speed Workouts  7:43 - 8:03 | 4:48 - 5:00
  • Vo2max Workouts  7:06 - 7:43 | 4:25 - 4:48
  • Lactate Threshold  8:03 - 8:23 | 5:00 - 5:13
  • Strength Workouts  8:36 | 5:21
  • Half Mar Tempos  8:25 | 5:14
  • Marathon Tempos  8:46 | 5:27
So basically I have zero runs (aside from Strength) that I run at my "normal" pace.  Yikes.  This is going to take some getting used to.  And I'm going to freeze my balls off running that slow here in YYC in the winter...

 
So I input a (slightly aggressive) target marathon time of 3:50 into Luke Humphrey's Calculator, and I get easy run paces of 6:23-7:00/km (10:16-11:15/mi).  WTF?  I can basically walk at a 7:00/km pace. 
In my opinion I wouldn't use that calculator for paces, at least I wouldn't plug in my goal marathon time into the calculator and use it for my 5K or 10 pace training runs.  I would run those workouts at what I thought I could race a 5k or 10K.  That calculator is very aggressive on the way up in distance for most runners, for example if plug in my 5K time (17:30) the calculator predicts that I should be able to run a sub 2:48 and I can't come within 10 minutes of that. The calculator is very conservative on the way down in distance for most runners.

 
Just looking at my recommended paces and my head is exploding.  I imagine most first-time Hanson plan folks are like this.

Most times I go out for a run, and I just want to do something meaningful but not push my limits, I run at a 5:20/km pace (8:34/mi).  That's not by looking at my watch.  It's just by effort/feel and ends up at that pace.  Roughly.  

So I input a (slightly aggressive) target marathon time of 3:50 into Luke Humphrey's Calculator, and I get easy run paces of 6:23-7:00/km (10:16-11:15/mi).  WTF?  I can basically walk at a 7:00/km pace.  

Here are full results:

Workout Type | Pace/mi | Pace/km

  • Easy  10:16 - 11:16 | 6:23 - 7:00
  • Moderate  9:46 - 10:46 | 6:04 - 6:42
  • Long Runs  9:16 - 10:46 | 5:46 - 6:42
  • Speed Workouts  7:43 - 8:03 | 4:48 - 5:00
  • Vo2max Workouts  7:06 - 7:43 | 4:25 - 4:48
  • Lactate Threshold  8:03 - 8:23 | 5:00 - 5:13
  • Strength Workouts  8:36 | 5:21
  • Half Mar Tempos  8:25 | 5:14
  • Marathon Tempos  8:46 | 5:27
So basically I have zero runs (aside from Strength) that I run at my "normal" pace.  Yikes.  This is going to take some getting used to.  And I'm going to freeze my balls off running that slow here in YYC in the winter...
Those paces roughly look right although the Easy pace is a pretty big range. I think 1:30-2min/mile slower than goal marathon pace is about right. The speed days are quite a stimulus and the collective work has you ready for easy pace on easy day for both recovery and volume.

Your reaction indicates your goal time might be something to consider. I took 20+ mins off my 2nd marathon with better training following Hanson. 

 
Is he going to monitor your workouts and adjust your recommended training paces as appropriate?
Nope, I just paid for a custom training plan, and that's it.  I could go for an ongoing coaching service (which I assume would include that) but I wasn't ready to spend that much yet.

 
That calculator is very aggressive on the way up in distance for most runners, for example if plug in my 5K time (17:30) the calculator predicts that I should be able to run a sub 2:48 and I can't come within 10 minutes of that. The calculator is very conservative on the way down in distance for most runners.
Yeah I noticed this on the way up too.  I put my HM time in there (1:47) and it gave me an estimated full marathon at 3:44.  Perhaps I'm just trained more for shorter distances but there's no way I could have run a 3:44 in Houston, and I'm not aiming for that in Calgary.  I think 3:50 (which is 7 minutes faster than Houston) is even a reach.

That said, I seem to recall that @SteelCurtain trains for a marathon pace a few minutes faster than he hopes to achieve, and I might do the same here.

 
Yeah I noticed this on the way up too.  I put my HM time in there (1:47) and it gave me an estimated full marathon at 3:44.  Perhaps I'm just trained more for shorter distances but there's no way I could have run a 3:44 in Houston, and I'm not aiming for that in Calgary.  I think 3:50 (which is 7 minutes faster than Houston) is even a reach.

That said, I seem to recall that @SteelCurtain trains for a marathon pace a few minutes faster than he hopes to achieve, and I might do the same here.
For what it's worth, I'm on week 12 of the Hanson beginner marathon plan right now. I started out in week one running more mileage than the plan called for because it is pretty light at the beginning.

I started off by plugging in my spring 2018 HM time and so I gave myself an aggressive goal of 3:50. I had to back it off because the speed work was way too fast for me. I'm now trying for a goal of somewhere between 3:55 and 3:59.

So when I plug those into the run calculator, I of course got a wide range of paces for each workout. And the way I have done it is run what feels right. On the days where I'm feeling good I'm running those on the faster end of the pace scale. On days where it's just not there I run them toward the higher end of that pace scale. So for example, where it calls for my speed pace to be 5k-10k pace:

Feeling good = 5K pace

Feeling bad = 10K pace

It still keeps me in the range of the workout but I give myself flexibility to push when I can and back off when things don't feel right. I try to stay right on my marathon pace workouts, just because I need to establish that "feel" for that pace going forward so I know what is good or bad effort come marathon day.

 
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I'm planning to using Hanson for NYC starting July 1... establishing a goal for pacing has been most confounding.  I'm enjoying the conversation.  

It's hard mentally running so damn slow, and I've messed up supposedly easy days by ending up running the pace that feels comfortable that day.  I'm trying to tell/remind myself that the slow/easy days are for training the mind.   

 
I'm planning to using Hanson for NYC starting July 1... establishing a goal for pacing has been most confounding.  I'm enjoying the conversation.  

It's hard mentally running so damn slow, and I've messed up supposedly easy days by ending up running the pace that feels comfortable that day.  I'm trying to tell/remind myself that the slow/easy days are for training the mind.   
Start running longer during base building and you'll see those paces start to go down without exerting as much energy thinking about it

 
Decided to take an extra rest day yesterday. My body and mind were begging for it.

And indirectly, my family was too. I've been a bear for the last couple of weeks with them, and yesterday I looked in the mirror and just realized: I'm tired.

It's been a long time since I've run 6 days a week, and it's been 11 weeks of it. Everything hurts and I'm just pissed.   :lol:   Hopefully I can re-set starting tonight and finish this stretch run. On the bright side, the weather continues to look like sheeit.  <_<

 
Decided to take an extra rest day yesterday. My body and mind were begging for it.

And indirectly, my family was too. I've been a bear for the last couple of weeks with them, and yesterday I looked in the mirror and just realized: I'm tired.

It's been a long time since I've run 6 days a week, and it's been 11 weeks of it. Everything hurts and I'm just pissed.   :lol:   Hopefully I can re-set starting tonight and finish this stretch run. On the bright side, the weather continues to look like sheeit.  <_<
Sounds like you need a Gian-prescribed Strawberry banana muscle milk. 

:nerd:

 
Easy runs getting easier.  HR trending downward.  Finally feel like I'm making a little progress in the fitness department.  That said, I look back where I was last year leading up to the relay and I'm really surprised at the runs I was able to accomplish then.  I don't feel anywhere near that point right now. 

My wife has been putting in some good miles lately and turns out she's not on call as she expected to be during the HM I signed up for in early March.  I might end up transferring the entry to her depending on how the next couple weeks go.  I know I can just use that race as a training run, but I'm just not mentally excited to take part in it nor do I think I'm in good enough shape to do anything even remotely worthwhile.  I know, I know......I need to take the skirt off.  We'll see.

I will say this afternoon's run was a pleasant treat.  Mid 30's with some sun was nice to run in.  Took the first couple miles easy and felt good picking it up a little for the last bit.  Sad when 8:40 pace feels like "picking it up", but at least it finally didn't feel that difficult to do and it's somewhat better than other recent runs.  Felt strong at the end too.  Baby steps.

 
Does anyone feel weird driving to other neighborhoods to run? 

There are basically 4 places I run from - home, work, a park on the way home from work and I've recently "discovered" a neighborhood on the way home with good roads and a small lake with a sidewalk around it. I like running there and it's convenient but I feel slightly weird parking there just to run through it. 

Loving the cool but nice, perfect running weather this week. 

 
Does anyone feel weird driving to other neighborhoods to run? 

There are basically 4 places I run from - home, work, a park on the way home from work and I've recently "discovered" a neighborhood on the way home with good roads and a small lake with a sidewalk around it. I like running there and it's convenient but I feel slightly weird parking there just to run through it. 

Loving the cool but nice, perfect running weather this week. 
Just when getting out of my car. A minute after I'm moving it's out of mind. 

 
Does anyone feel weird driving to other neighborhoods to run? 

There are basically 4 places I run from - home, work, a park on the way home from work and I've recently "discovered" a neighborhood on the way home with good roads and a small lake with a sidewalk around it. I like running there and it's convenient but I feel slightly weird parking there just to run through it. 

Loving the cool but nice, perfect running weather this week. 
As long as you aren't trick or treating there because they have full size candy bars. 

I'd just be thankful for 100 yards of track without snow or ice at this point. 

 
Does anyone feel weird driving to other neighborhoods to run? 

There are basically 4 places I run from - home, work, a park on the way home from work and I've recently "discovered" a neighborhood on the way home with good roads and a small lake with a sidewalk around it. I like running there and it's convenient but I feel slightly weird parking there just to run through it. 

Loving the cool but nice, perfect running weather this week. 
I park at a Park for most of my local runs that’s 1 1/2 miles from my house and a half mile from the trail head. So kind of the same thing.  

I basically never run from my house. Maybe three or four times in the four years I’ve lived there. 

 
Does anyone feel weird driving to other neighborhoods to run? 

There are basically 4 places I run from - home, work, a park on the way home from work and I've recently "discovered" a neighborhood on the way home with good roads and a small lake with a sidewalk around it. I like running there and it's convenient but I feel slightly weird parking there just to run through it. 
But in a sense, after the mile or two, you're running in 'other neighborhoods' already.  I enjoy driving to other spots, though they're usually areas with trails (paved or gravel).  I haven't driven just to a residential neighborhood, but if you can park by the lake, I say go for it.

 
gianmarco said:
I look at my April last year and my May last year and I understand why I was running as well as I was come June.  I might have to do that Higdon advanced base training plan again starting in March.
I hope my April and May look like this in 2019.  I feel like my fitness is finally improving, but I still need to drop about 20 lbs though.  Hoping to log 25 miles a week thru spring and ramp it up to 30-35 by summer.  

My morning routine has been interrupted.  We bought a puppy last week for some awful reason.  If I so much as get out of bed that mf'er starts barking like crazy.  Wife has been cool with running after work, so thats good.  My kids do jujitsu Tuesday and Thursday nights and are finally comfortable with being left at the gym.  I see that as a free 2 hours per week to run now.  

 
My kids do jujitsu Tuesday and Thursday nights and are finally comfortable with being left at the gym.  I see that as a free 2 hours per week to run now.  
This is the hidden gold for workout time. Love taking my kids to soccer practice because I get a free 1.5 hours of running time on newish running territory. Plus, in the eyes of my wife, I'm "taking the kids to practice".

Win-win. 

 
gianmarco said:
I look at my April last year and my May last year and I understand why I was running as well as I was come June.  I might have to do that Higdon advanced base training plan again starting in March.
Yeah, but you are actually ahead of last year.

In January of last year you were at basically 44 ish miles. This January you ran 74 ish.

February of last year you ran 79 ish. This February you are at 30 already.

So I would say you are right where you should be, if not better than last year. Just pick it up a bit the rest of this month and you are right on track, albeit with a better understanding this year of the best types of runs and how to structure your workouts.

 
This is the hidden gold for workout time. Love taking my kids to soccer practice because I get a free 1.5 hours of running time on newish running territory. Plus, in the eyes of my wife, I'm "taking the kids to practice".

Win-win. 
I do miss watching my kids beat up on other kids, but it truly is "free time."  Not many adults with kids get free time.  

My wife just started some sort of fitness classes herself, so that helps ease my running guilt.   

I still prefer that 4:30-6am slot.    

 
This is the hidden gold for workout time. Love taking my kids to soccer practice because I get a free 1.5 hours of running time on newish running territory. Plus, in the eyes of my wife, I'm "taking the kids to practice".

Win-win. 
New territory for us starts in a few weeks - two kids with different practices.  Not sure if this is a good or bad thing at the moment.  In theory, this should benefit both of us rather than just one but we have a third kid we need to figure out.

 
New territory for us starts in a few weeks - two kids with different practices.  Not sure if this is a good or bad thing at the moment.  In theory, this should benefit both of us rather than just one but we have a third kid we need to figure out.
Yeah, I lucked out last year with the two boys, as they had practice at the same spot on the same day. My daughter practiced on a different day, so it worked out.

But every soccer season is a new challenge trying to figure out the calendar.  :lol:

 
Yeah, but you are actually ahead of last year.

In January of last year you were at basically 44 ish miles. This January you ran 74 ish.

February of last year you ran 79 ish. This February you are at 30 already.

So I would say you are right where you should be, if not better than last year. Just pick it up a bit the rest of this month and you are right on track, albeit with a better understanding this year of the best types of runs and how to structure your workouts.
The bolded - time to htfu, @gianmarco.  I wasn't sure whether to speak up in Dec/Jan, but I had mixed feelings about you half marathoning in March.  On one hand maybe the carrot would get you out more often this winter.  On the other you just need to get out there and move more before worrying about early spring racing.  You've made progress, but I get the sense until recent you've felt let down about what you've accomplished because you're also not ready to race.  No reason to be let down...so long as you finish this month strong.  Year-over-year improvement.

Punt the half though.

 
Yeah, I lucked out last year with the two boys, as they had practice at the same spot on the same day. My daughter practiced on a different day, so it worked out.

But every soccer season is a new challenge trying to figure out the calendar.  :lol:
We think the weekday practices will be back-to-back at the same location, so that should (?) work.  I take one, run, she brings the other 2, we swap vehicles, she runs, then she brings the other one home.  Just need to hope the weekend track meets aren't at the same time.  Because if they are then we need to stare each other down and decide who is responsible for the other small human.

 
5-8" of snow forecast starting Friday morning at 9:00 am. Puts my Friday, Saturday, and Sunday workouts in jeopardy.

#### YOU MOTHER ####### 2019 ####### WINTER. WE HAVEN'T HAD SNOW HERE IN 7 ####### YEARS AND THE ONE ####### WINTER I DECIDE TO TRAIN FOR A MARATHON YOU THROW THIS MOTHER ####### #### AT ME. 

#### YOU WINTER. TAKE YOUR ####### SNOW AND ICE AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR ####### ###.

I QUIT.  :censored:

 
5-8" of snow forecast starting Friday morning at 9:00 am. Puts my Friday, Saturday, and Sunday workouts in jeopardy.
This sucks.  But I've had to work around things like this here up north.  My initial reaction would be:

- Can I run before dawn on Friday?

- Treadmill Saturday?

- Will the walks be clear enough to run outside Sunday (two days after snowfall)?  Around hospitals can be good because they need to clear their area for obvious reasons.

 
5-8" of snow forecast starting Friday morning at 9:00 am.
:wall:   You cannot get a break this winter, can you?  Sheesh.  Tough enough fitting marathon training around your busy family schedules, but this weather takes away any flexibility to move runs to different, 'better' days.   :wall:   Sorry, Chief!!!

 
I miss the Zenmaster ChiefD from five days ago who had figured out how to use the treadmill and how to zone in and out at will. 

 
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This sucks.  But I've had to work around things like this here up north.  My initial reaction would be:

- Can I run before dawn on Friday? Maybe. 

- Treadmill Saturday? This is a possibility, but the community center sometimes closes in the mornings following big snowfalls since a lot of older people go there. So if they are open, this is probably my solution.

- Will the walks be clear enough to run outside Sunday (two days after snowfall)?  Around hospitals can be good because they need to clear their area for obvious reasons. If my streets get plowed on Saturday, I should be able to run streets on Sunday morning. So I'll be back to my slogging through the street workout.

 
5-8" of snow forecast starting Friday morning at 9:00 am. Puts my Friday, Saturday, and Sunday workouts in jeopardy.

I QUIT.  :censored:
Hello Exactly! I have been working for 4+ years to get my right calf in a spot where I can run 7 to 10 miles without issue.  I finally achieve this for a small window in time and MY ####### LEFT ANKLE NOW DECIDES THAT IT DOESN'T LIKE RUNNING AND WON'T ####### HEAL.

that felt a little good.

 
Does anyone feel weird driving to other neighborhoods to run? 

There are basically 4 places I run from - home, work, a park on the way home from work and I've recently "discovered" a neighborhood on the way home with good roads and a small lake with a sidewalk around it. I like running there and it's convenient but I feel slightly weird parking there just to run through it. 

Loving the cool but nice, perfect running weather this week. 
This is something that crossed my mind recently - hopefully in the spring I can start running again and I was curious how far people are willing to go for their daily runs or their weekend (thinking longer) runs.  I HATE walking/running in my neighborhood.  I have a decent crushed stone path that is about 12 minutes away, I have some nice trails about 20 minutes away and miles and miles of nice trails that is about 25 minutes away.  The trails are where I do most of my hiking right now so if I'm planning to do a longer hike it's not a big deal to me to drive that 20-25 minutes.  I wouldn't do it daily though.

 
Run tonight and Thursday, rest Friday, slog Saturday, long Sunday. 
My plan as of now is this:

Tonight: this was a rest day and I am keeping to it. Ran 2 miles with the kids.

Tomorrow: yes. this will be my MP run. will do 10 miles.

Friday: going to hope the community center is open and hit it on the way home from work. going to do as many miles as I can. they are easy miles.

Saturday: this is the day that might turn into a rest day. our city does great removing snow. So i need to do 8 miles, and if the roads are clear, which they could be, this may happen.

Sunday: our roads will be clear. i will get this 10 miler in. if i get this run in, i plan to stretch it to 12-14 miles.

 
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Looking at the snow forecast on  this weather chart (not sure exactly where you live), I wonder if they might be able to do a decent job at plowing roads for Saturday and Sunday morning runs.  Saturday is going to be cold though.
Yeah,  you are pretty much on it. Our city does a great job plowing, and the last couple of days have melted all of the remaining ice layer. If this is all pure snow, I should be fine.

 
I seriously don't know how you guys do it - I don't want to get out below 50.  When I was out Sunday it was like 43 degrees - I had tights and pants on.  :lmao:

Granted on the other end I'm guessing you guys wouldn't like the 80-90+ that I still enjoy getting out in.

 
I seriously don't know how you guys do it - I don't want to get out below 50.  When I was out Sunday it was like 43 degrees - I had tights and pants on.  :lmao:

Granted on the other end I'm guessing you guys wouldn't like the 80-90+ that I still enjoy getting out in.
I will say I prefer this much more than a Kansas City summer.  :lol:

 

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