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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (7 Viewers)

My wife is finally going to the gym with some new girl friends.  That eases my run guilt big time.  She feels bad about leaving me with the kids now and asked if that ever goes away.  My only reply was, "mine finally did!"

What do you guys do for nipple care?  I always use the circle band aids, and maybe I got a box that has too much adhesive on them, but the nips are extra tender now.  

Anyone use body glide or something similar on them?  

 
My wife is finally going to the gym with some new girl friends.  That eases my run guilt big time.  She feels bad about leaving me with the kids now and asked if that ever goes away.  My only reply was, "mine finally did!"

What do you guys do for nipple care?  I always use the circle band aids, and maybe I got a box that has too much adhesive on them, but the nips are extra tender now.  

Anyone use body glide or something similar on them?  
You're supposed to put the non-sticky part on the nips.  Try a different brand if you need to.

 
My wife is finally going to the gym with some new girl friends.  That eases my run guilt big time.  She feels bad about leaving me with the kids now and asked if that ever goes away.  My only reply was, "mine finally did!"

What do you guys do for nipple care?  I always use the circle band aids, and maybe I got a box that has too much adhesive on them, but the nips are extra tender now.  

Anyone use body glide or something similar on them?  
Shorter runs (8 - 12 miles) -- I just dab vaseline on the nips before heading out.

Longer runs (13+ miles) -- Usually put a standard bandaid on them.  I make it so its vertical.  I'll leave it on for 2-3 days until it starts coming off from showers, etc. 

 
My wife is finally going to the gym with some new girl friends.  That eases my run guilt big time.  She feels bad about leaving me with the kids now and asked if that ever goes away.  My only reply was, "mine finally did!"

What do you guys do for nipple care?  I always use the circle band aids, and maybe I got a box that has too much adhesive on them, but the nips are extra tender now.  

Anyone use body glide or something similar on them?  
Clear Spot Band-Aids. If they can handle my sweating, they can handle anything.

 
My wife is finally going to the gym with some new girl friends.  That eases my run guilt big time.  She feels bad about leaving me with the kids now and asked if that ever goes away.  My only reply was, "mine finally did!"

What do you guys do for nipple care?  I always use the circle band aids, and maybe I got a box that has too much adhesive on them, but the nips are extra tender now.  

Anyone use body glide or something similar on them?  
Hers or yours? 

I've almost never put anything on mine. They callous eventually, only a couple shirts bother mine now.

Hers otoh.... 

 
Hers or yours? 

I've almost never put anything on mine. They callous eventually, only a couple shirts bother mine now.

Hers otoh.... 
I know how to handle hers.   :excited:

I think I just got a bad batch of band aids.  They protect, but peeling them off is the painful part.  

Last time I tried the Vaseline I ended up with 2 wet spots where my nipples were.   :bag:

 
Saturday I am racing a 5 miler that I have run the past 3 years and while I have no shot to PR 29:22, it would be nice to beat my 2nd best time of 29:54.  I am behind where I would like to be, but that is due to a minor calf injury from earlier in the year. It has been a while since I have raced so it will be fun to compete a bit, plus it should give an indication whether or not a half PR is possible in March.

 
Just at the Nassau airport waiting for my flight home.  Great break from the cold.  Went out fishing with a couple buddies on Saturday and Sunday.  74lbs of wahoo (biggest was 38) and a dozen or so snapper later, I'm protein-loading like a boss (if that's even a thing).

Running in 24C (75F) and 70% humidity reminded me how much of a sweat factory I am.  Just soaked after 10K.  I think I still prefer +24C vs -24C but it's a closer debate than I would have thought before this winter.  Very close.

I ordered new running shoes (Brooks Ghost 11, taking @gianmarco's advice and buying a size bigger) but haven't had the chance to go pick them up yet.  Still on my Mizunos, 970km (602mi).  Eager to give the new ones a try to see if I can feel a difference...

 
Quick run/training question:

Do you think there is any difference between a single run of 5 miles vs two runs of 2.5 miles in terms of training benefit (assuming similar paces)?  

Let's say I ran one 5 mile run 7 days a week for 35 mpw for a month.  The next month I run two runs every day of 2.5 miles for the same total mileage.  Would the latter be less effective and provide less benefit?

 
Grinding through peak mileage weeks while battling a nasty cold is the suck.  And having my wife in my ear telling me that I should skip my runs and "take care of myself" so that I can "get better" isn't helping.  That is all...  :kicksrock:
She has a point.   :scared:

@The Commish - welcome back!  Hopefully the routines become routine.  We're here for you when you're ready to gripe about the summer heat and humidity.

@jb1020 - ...what @gruecd said.  I fold an edge a little bit before putting the circular band-aid on so I can more easily get it off.  I will just use Body Glide for shorter runs (~6-8 miles or less).  I have less issues when wearing a tight base shirt (Under Armour) since there's less movement/friction.  I don't like Vaseline because I find it ultimately stains the shirt.

 
Quick run/training question:

Do you think there is any difference between a single run of 5 miles vs two runs of 2.5 miles in terms of training benefit (assuming similar paces)?  

Let's say I ran one 5 mile run 7 days a week for 35 mpw for a month.  The next month I run two runs every day of 2.5 miles for the same total mileage.  Would the latter be less effective and provide less benefit?
Easy miles - little to no difference. 

Actual workout - varying degrees of different, depending on the amount of miles you're talking about and what you're currently training for. 

So, keep warming up to the gym then cooling down home from it. 

 
@The Commish - welcome back!  Hopefully the routines become routine.  We're here for you when you're ready to gripe about the summer heat and humidity.
Um....let's do it?  SInce the last time in this thread, I have moved to Florida.  It's ####### hot here all the ####### time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Though, this time I AM going to do more running outside. Before I was on a treadmill most of the time.

 
To go along with that I’ll tell a brief story - for those following along for a while know I’m a novice compared with most of you.  I’ve never been a individual sports person but played more team sports.  

I’m 44 now so going back 25 years ago I was a skinny mofo (probably around 135 and 5’10”) and started my journey to fatass-ness.  I got there around my 28th birthday - no clue how much I weighed back then but I was a mess.  I started working out with some co-workers who introduced me to running, cycling and swimming.  We did a sprint triathlon and I was somewhat hooked - and eventually did a half IM when I was 31.  I weighed 169 for that race - my diet was still horrible but with all the training I was able to offset it.

I continued my fatass journey after that until the last several years where I’ve yo-yo’d both with workouts and diet and weight.  I’ve talked ad nauseum about this in other threads so won’t go in to detail other than to say just last week I was back to 169 - after 13 years and many struggles.  It’s been a painful journey both physically but emotionally.  And honestly some of the folks in here have inspired me - so thank you for that.  I feel like I now understand things about diet, health and fitness that I never did before - I feel in control and it’s a wonderful feeling.  

And I do hope to get back soon to train for some triathlons - not sure I’ll ever do a long distance one again but I’ll definitely do some sprints if my body can handle it.
Rock on brotha

 
Saturday I am racing a 5 miler that I have run the past 3 years and while I have no shot to PR 29:22, it would be nice to beat my 2nd best time of 29:54.  I am behind where I would like to be, but that is due to a minor calf injury from earlier in the year. It has been a while since I have raced so it will be fun to compete a bit, plus it should give an indication whether or not a half PR is possible in March.
Good luck!

 
Quality tech shirts make a big difference in nipple abuse.  Check how wet the shirts are coming out of the washing machine. The good ones are barely wet.

 
If health is the primary push and want to limit possible injury, I think swimming is the sport where you get the most cardiovascular benefit without beating up your body too much.

The problem is....you are swimming.  I have zero interest in swimming.  I know some people ( @tri-man 47, etc) enjoy it, but I have no desire to hop in the pool for a workout.  I'd rather do the elliptical....and I hate the elliptical.
You are dead to me, etc

 
I find some shirts run the nips worse than others. The shirts that rub the wrong way get given to the kids. 

If I’m worried I’ll put some of my glide on the nips (and maybe scrotal area), but most like only at HM or greater distance. I ran like 10mi today and no issue. 

 
I find some shirts run the nips worse than others. The shirts that rub the wrong way get given to the kids. 

If I’m worried I’ll put some of my glide on the nips (and maybe scrotal area), but most like only at HM or greater distance. I ran like 10mi today and no issue. 
This captures my general approach to nipple management. 

 
Whelp I need to baby my knee all of the sudden. Thinking that all the standing at my fathers services and emotional eating has caused my right knee to flare up.

This blows. Was hoping to get some longer warm runs in while in FL

 
Lol.

Wind proof boxers for the win. Have the GORE should’ve gotten the Craft
Late to this game, but best running investment ever.  After my first true penile deep freeze, I begrudgingly dropped $60 on a Smartwool pair because hell if I was ever going to put myself through that again.  No brainer purchase that should last a decade or two.

 
Had my 3x2, MP - 10 second run last night. It was interesting in that we had another snow storm on the way. Sidewalks were about 50% clear from the previous ice/snow storm. So my planned route went right out the window. I try to plan these runs to somewhat mimic my race-day course. Unfortunately with the weather I am confined to my immediate neighborhood, as it's just too dangerous to try and run main roads in the dusk hours here in KC.

So consequently, my immediate neighborhood has some pretty good elevation changes. I've settled on my race day A goal to be 3:55, with my B goal being 3:59. I've resigned myself to the fact that realistically I may actually be C goal trained. So my C goal is to PR this thing. So if I end up anywhere between 4:00 and 4:15 I'll be disappointed but satisfied if that makes sense.

But I am definitely going to try and #BMF my way to sub 4:00. So anyway, for this workout, for my A goal, my pace should be around 8:47. For my B goal, pace should be around 8:56. Here's how it went:

1.5 mile warmup. 10:38 pace. HR 143. I've been trying to take these warm-ups and cool downs and even my easy runs a little slower.

First 2 mile segment. 8:46 pace. HR 161. 

.5 mile jog rest. 11:02 pace. HR 157.

Second 2 mile segment: 8:55 pace. HR 163. Leaking oil on the uphill segments. 

.5 mile jog rest. 12:09 pace. HR 157. This whole "recovery period" was uphill. Thanks icy sidewalks and roads.

Third 2 mile segment. 9:09 pace. HR 161. Snow started at the beginning of this segment. And by snow, I mean blinding, in the eyes snow. Roads were covered within a 1/2 mile of this segment, so I emphasized safety over speed at this point. 

1.1 mile cooldown. 10:34 pace. HR 156. I cut this short by .4 of a mile. It was getting bad out and I was running right by my house, so I just decided to bag it. I can add .4 of a mile to a run somewhere else this week.

So all in all, a pretty good run. Actually felt good and strong throughout - actually thought I was running a little faster, but with the uphills and downhills its hard to manage pace on my watch. My heart rate is seemingly dead on right now with where I should be.

As for my breathing, I worked last night on trying to get into a rhythm early in the run. Pull good deep breaths so when the hard work started I wasn't trying to "make up" for the inability to pull a decent breath. Last night actually felt like the perceived effort and heart rate were in step with each other. 

And thanks to all for the advice to slow down even more on the easy runs. I did that Monday and it felt really good just to mosey on along. 

 
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Had my 3x2, MP - 10 second run last night. It was interesting in that we had another snow storm on the way. Sidewalks were about 50% clear from the previous ice/snow storm. So my planned route went right out the window. I try to plan these runs to somewhat mimic my race-day course. Unfortunately with the weather I am confined to my immediate neighborhood, as it's just too dangerous to try and run main roads in the dusk hours here in KC.

So consequently, my immediate neighborhood has some pretty good elevation changes. I've settled on my race day A goal to be 3:55, with my B goal being 3:59. I've resigned myself to the fact that realistically I may actually be C goal trained. So my C goal is to PR this thing. So if I end up anywhere between 4:00 and 4:15 I'll be disappointed but satisfied if that makes sense.

But I am definitely going to try and #BMF my way to sub 4:00. So anyway, for this workout, for my A goal, my pace should be around 8:47. For my B goal, pace should be around 8:56. Here's how it went:

1.5 mile warmup. 10:38 pace. HR 143. I've been trying to take these warm-ups and cool downs and even my easy runs a little slower.

First 2 mile segment. 8:46 pace. HR 161. 

.5 mile jog rest. 11:02 pace. HR 157.

Second 2 mile segment: 8:55 pace. HR 163. Leaking oil on the uphill segments. 

.5 mile jog rest. 12:09 pace. HR 157. This whole "recovery period" was uphill. Thanks icy sidewalks and roads.

Third 2 mile segment. 9:09 pace. HR 161. Snow started at the beginning of this segment. And by snow, I mean blinding, in the eyes snow. Roads were covered within a 1/2 mile of this segment, so I emphasized safety over speed at this point. 

1.1 mile cooldown. 10:34 pace. HR 156. I cut this short by .4 of a mile. It was getting bad out and I was running right by my house, so I just decided to bag it. I can add .4 of a mile to a run somewhere else this week.

So all in all, a pretty good run. Actually felt good and strong throughout - actually thought I was running a little faster, but with the uphills and downhills its hard to manage pace on my watch. My heart rate is seemingly dead on right now with where I should be.

As for my breathing, I worked last night on trying to get into a rhythm early in the run. Pull good deep breathes so when the hard work started I wasn't trying to "make up" for the inability to pull a decent breathe. Last night actually felt like the perceived effort and heart rate were in step with each other. 

And thanks to all for the advice to slow down even more on the easy runs. I did that Monday and it felt really good just to mosey on along. 
Good work.

As to the bolded, I forgot who it was here that mentioned this (I think it was either @tri-man 47 or @Juxtatarot), but focus more on the exhale than the inhale.  The inhale will happen, but if you can get a nice controlled exhale, then it will feel better.  I worked on that early on when I first started here and it seemed to be helpful.

 
Yesterday I ran fast for the first time since my race in early December.  Oof. 

Ran to the gym and the guy I work out with needed to get to work so I had to hustle.  What better time than a short run to get a little workout in.  I was working pretty good for that run.  Sad that just a few months ago I ran a 5K in brutal weather almost a minute faster per mile than that.  ####, even as recently as October I was running a HM at that pace through almost 9 miles.  Granted yesterday wasn't full effort, but geez, I don't think it was too far off. 

That said, it felt good to push a bit for once.  And, I hit the hills pretty strong and ran that through some icy slush so it was a good run in the end.  My anaerobic system needed a little jolt.

 
Had my 3x2, MP - 10 second run last night. It was interesting in that we had another snow storm on the way.
Bro those conditions suck for a workout. Props for getting it in and digging that BMF well deeper.  Don’t hate the mill so much you’re risking slippage injury at faster paces. 

 
Feeling a bit better today, and it's crappy outside once again, so I hit the treadmill today for my weekly "challenge" workout.  Today was 10 x 800M with 3-minute jog recovery after reps #1-5 and only 1-minute jog recovery after #6-9, total 11 miles with warm-up and cool-down.  Purposely did the first few a tad easier (3:08/3:06/3:04/3:02) before settling in at 3:00 flat for #5-8 and then popping off a couple of faster ones (2:58/2:56) at the end.  Workout was just comfortably hard.  If I'd done it in traditional "Yasso" style with 2-3 minutes recovery throughout, I'm reasonably confident that I could've ripped 10 of them at 5:45-5:50 pace. 

Feeling good with 5-1/2 weeks to go...

 
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I had a very good week last week - but I didn't complete Monday's scheduled lift, needed too much effort on yesterday's 7 at that pace relative to similar conditions last week, and I was still in a fog today.  So, I scratched today's scheduled 2-a-day lift-run and just lifted instead, amending my originally scheduled workout to something lower intensity.  But a funny thing happened once I got a few mins in - the energy stores I've been lacking since the end of last week awoke.  So I adjusted on the fly and ended up putting together a quality workout.  I'm still going to hold off on the run tonight, but now I'm cautiously optimistic I'll be able to take advantage of the 64 hours of nice running weather that starts sometime overnight.

The last few days were a good reminder about my current goals though.  Thoughts of racing entered my head last week as I was stringing together several quality runs but I  :porked:  out Sunday, over corrected after, scuffled through a few workouts (it's all related), and the scale said the same number today that it did last Tuesday.  Gotta keep my focus on the weight/body fat goals for now then not worry about racing until I achieve the first two goals.

 
Do you guys have stretching routines that you do?  All the stretching I know well is upper body.  I do a bit of hamstrings and calves before I start and spend 5-10 minutes after I am done doing the same, but I feel like I should be doing more.  I just don't know the proper way to go about it and what I should include.  TIA.

 
Do you guys have stretching routines that you do?  All the stretching I know well is upper body.  I do a bit of hamstrings and calves before I start and spend 5-10 minutes after I am done doing the same, but I feel like I should be doing more.  I just don't know the proper way to go about it and what I should include.  TIA.
Some guys here stretch more than others.  I gave up stretching before a run long ago (I believe @MAC_32 is the same) and just use the beginning of my run as a warmup.  If I'm going to stretch, it's afterward and I don't do it all the time.  If I run a longer distance (i.e. 7+), then I'm more likely to stretch.  I tend to do my stretching in the shower, working on hamstrings and calves. 

 
Some guys here stretch more than others.  I gave up stretching before a run long ago (I believe @MAC_32 is the same) and just use the beginning of my run as a warmup.  If I'm going to stretch, it's afterward and I don't do it all the time.  If I run a longer distance (i.e. 7+), then I'm more likely to stretch.  I tend to do my stretching in the shower, working on hamstrings and calves. 
:goodposting:

I'm a big fan of post run walking lunges, but my muscle work is supplemental strength training.  I try to do this separate from running as often as I can, but the schedule doesn't always allow.

 
Some guys here stretch more than others.  I gave up stretching before a run long ago (I believe @MAC_32 is the same) and just use the beginning of my run as a warmup.  If I'm going to stretch, it's afterward and I don't do it all the time.  If I run a longer distance (i.e. 7+), then I'm more likely to stretch.  I tend to do my stretching in the shower, working on hamstrings and calves. 
Do you have different stretches that you do for the same muscles?  Where I am coming from is a baseball background.  I had at least two different stretches for shoulders, upper arm, lower arm, torso etc.  In retrospect it was a lot, but I never had an injury.  I am wondering if the same sort of thing applies to the legs.  Is one stretch for calves and one for quads and one for hamstrings sufficient?  Seems like the answer is "it depends"....which sort of sucks because now I have to go and research ;)  

 
Do you have different stretches that you do for the same muscles?  Where I am coming from is a baseball background.  I had at least two different stretches for shoulders, upper arm, lower arm, torso etc.  In retrospect it was a lot, but I never had an injury.  I am wondering if the same sort of thing applies to the legs.  Is one stretch for calves and one for quads and one for hamstrings sufficient?  Seems like the answer is "it depends"....which sort of sucks because now I have to go and research ;)  
My leg exercises currently rotate between regular walking lunges, weighted forward/reverse lunges, single leg romanian deadlift (hat tip, @gruecd), kettle bell swings, medicine ball squat and throws, single leg box jumps, and russian speed lunges.  I also do a few core-only exercises, but I do those leg exercises because it accomplishes both objectives simultaneously - more efficient.

 
Do you have different stretches that you do for the same muscles?  Where I am coming from is a baseball background.  I had at least two different stretches for shoulders, upper arm, lower arm, torso etc.  In retrospect it was a lot, but I never had an injury.  I am wondering if the same sort of thing applies to the legs.  Is one stretch for calves and one for quads and one for hamstrings sufficient?  Seems like the answer is "it depends"....which sort of sucks because now I have to go and research ;)  
It depends  ;)

For me, getting my hands down on the ground to stretch the hamstrings is the biggest one.  I started doing that even before running as I realized my lower back pain was from chronically tight hamstrings.  Ever since, that has been resolved.  So I do it every day (whether I run or not).  I'll stretch them more if they seem more tight than usual and will place a leg up and reach forward to get a better stretch if need be.  For calves, I'll lean up against a wall with a leg back and also do calf raises as needed.  But I've found that the hamstrings seem to control a lot and if I keep those stretched well then most everything else does well. 

If I have a trouble spot, I stretch it.  I once had some piriformis discomfort and then had to stretch specifically for that (others here have had that too).  I think the biggest thing is to try and avoid static stretching when you're cold.  That's when it can be counterproductive.  It's why I like stretching in the shower or after a run. 

 
It depends  ;)

For me, getting my hands down on the ground to stretch the hamstrings is the biggest one.  I started doing that even before running as I realized my lower back pain was from chronically tight hamstrings.  Ever since, that has been resolved.  So I do it every day (whether I run or not).  I'll stretch them more if they seem more tight than usual and will place a leg up and reach forward to get a better stretch if need be.  For calves, I'll lean up against a wall with a leg back and also do calf raises as needed.  But I've found that the hamstrings seem to control a lot and if I keep those stretched well then most everything else does well. 

If I have a trouble spot, I stretch it.  I once had some piriformis discomfort and then had to stretch specifically for that (others here have had that too).  I think the biggest thing is to try and avoid static stretching when you're cold.  That's when it can be counterproductive.  It's why I like stretching in the shower or after a run. 
It's definitely more productive AFTER my running.  I feel like I am going through the motions prior.  My legs are much more cooperative after they've been worked.  Which is the complete opposite of everything I have ever known about stretching for sports etc.  I suspect that's because of the muscle size on the lower half of the body vs the upper.  I should probably ask my wife these things instead of you yahoos ;)  .  She's an anatomy and physiology professor :lmao:    I like to get the practical answers/experiences before delving into the academic reasons though.

 
It's definitely more productive AFTER my running.  I feel like I am going through the motions prior.  My legs are much more cooperative after they've been worked.  Which is the complete opposite of everything I have ever known about stretching for sports etc.  I suspect that's because of the muscle size on the lower half of the body vs the upper.  I should probably ask my wife these things instead of you yahoos ;)  .  She's an anatomy and physiology professor :lmao:    I like to get the practical answers/experiences before delving into the academic reasons though.
You can't go 0-to-60, but I think a lot of what we have all been trained to do pre-workout is ineffective.  

 
You can't go 0-to-60, but I think a lot of what we have all been trained to do pre-workout is ineffective.  
I can't forgo stretching before I play a sport or I won't be able to move my arms, upper body the next day :lmao:

That might be because I am accustomed to it and my body now "requires" it, but if I go to a baseball practice for my son's little league game and start throwing without stretching, I want to cut my arm off the next day.

ETA:  Though, as I typed this, that might be more ligament influenced than muscle influenced.  :oldunsure:  

 
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I can't forgo stretching before I play a sport or I won't be able to move my arms, upper body the next day :lmao:

That might be because I am accustomed to it and my body now "requires" it, but if I go to a baseball practice for my son's little league game and start throwing without stretching, I want to cut my arm off the next day.

ETA:  Though, as I typed this, that might be more ligament influenced than muscle influenced.  :oldunsure:  
I would guess that if you started throwing really lightly and at a short distance for a few minutes (i.e. the first few minutes of a run being slow), you'd do just fine without stretching.  You just can't pick up a baseball and start whizzing it right off the bat (no pun intended).

 
I would guess that if you started throwing really lightly and at a short distance for a few minutes (i.e. the first few minutes of a run being slow), you'd do just fine without stretching.  You just can't pick up a baseball and start whizzing it right off the bat (no pun intended).
I wish, but sadly, no.  My body has forced me into a routine that I can't live without :lol:

This is true with basketball, I can get away with not stretching, but not baseball.

 
Is it possible to do too many lunges?

We have a warehouse at my office, and the restroom is back there. So several times a day, I'll do lunges while walking to the bathroom.  It's basically 10 lunges per leg each way.  So I'll get into the habit of lunging my way to the restroom and back.

Any reason not to do this?

 
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Is it possible to do too many lunges?

We have a warehouse at my office, and the restroom is back there. So several times a day, I'll do lunges while walking to the bathroom.  It's basically 10 lunges per leg each way.  So I'll get into the habit of lunging my way to the restroom and back.

Any reason not to do this?
Yes, but it's (probably) more than what you're doing.  When I do them post run I usually do 25-30 per leg 2-3 times with a short break in between sets.  Basically, do them until they get difficult then do a few more.

 
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I might be the stretching freak here and also boring as it’s been, I really benefit from a warm up and cool down of a mile or 2 on each end of a workout.  Then stretch movements after with yoga type stuff and an assortment of things I’ve picked up  (warrior, lunge-y stuff, downward dog, fire hydrants, single leg bridges, couch stretch) that for me are more effective way than just touching my toes. I have a couple specific groin/hammy things I do too. For most easy runs I just walk to the nearby trail and do some arm and hip circles on the way and go off easy easy then work to just easy.  But anything at pace especially these days creeping back to 100% I’m extra careful. 

 

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