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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (8 Viewers)

It's nuts here today.  1 degree off record high with a temp of 95 although my car was just reading 101.  I'm actually bringing my son to soccer in a little over an hour and was going to run while he's there and think there's a good chance I may not live.  Definitely going to be an "easy" run. 
it's character building

 
We put an FBG team together for the Bourbon Chase several years ago ...good times!  (A few less active/inactive members continue to do it with other runners.)  As the team crossed the finish line, they announced (on our request) "from the internet, team Useless Without Bourbon."  We had guys from Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Florida, Alabama, Kentucky ..and pigskinliquors driving in from Texas just for the after-party.  

I leave soon for Michigan for another installment of Dances With Dirt in Hell, Michigan.  Sadly, our fearless leader, @2Young2BBald, can't join us due to insurance work in Florida.  Temps will be in the 90s.  Very ouch.  
Idaho too for The Chase as my brother in law joined us and was a major driver in many of our hangovers on race race day.  Sad to be missing Hell, or as I call it, Running Christmas.  And don't let Pops fool you, 90s = INSANE scenery.  I requested plenty of :pics:  as I am down here for the long haul and need something to keep me going.

 
Supposed to do 14 in the morning with the last 5 at 6:45. Currently 3 burgers, 2 large fries, and 5 drinks deep. Heading to the local gentleman’s club right now. We’ll see how this shakes out on Strava tomorrow at 6 am.

 
Supposed to do 14 in the morning with the last 5 at 6:45. Currently 3 burgers, 2 large fries, and 5 drinks deep. Heading to the local gentleman’s club right now. We’ll see how this shakes out on Strava tomorrow at 6 am.
Went about as expected for 3 hours of sleep. Slow, high heart rate, and painful 10 miles. Wanted to turn around at the end of my driveway and call it a day.

 
So did okay in my 5.6k or whatever it was this morning.  I've worked 52 hours as of this afternoon this week so I've been pretty tired.  The race was a gravel trail around a park up here in bfe VA.  It was 2 laps unfortunately, but I did it and I lived to tell the tale.  Only my second race ever outside the sunshine state.  There is a 10k trail run in a couple weeks that is tempting.  Go big or go home, right?  I still have 2 others at the end of October (Saturday and Sunday again) and possibly a 10k reschedule from stupid Irma.  Anyway, everyone have a good evening and I'll check back in soon. 

 
@Hang 10  Looking forward to the race report!  :popcorn:
Heart of Ghent 10K (Norfolk, VA)

This race represents 1 of 2 of my tune-up races this cycle. Going in it was difficult to guess what kind of 10K shape I was in without any speed work. Training has been going well though so I thought a PR was possible (current PR 38:52). But if I was going to PR I'd have to overcome the following: No taper and less than ideal conditions (SI was between 142-145) And as I said before with no speed work, I'd have to run EVERY mile faster than anything I've run since the 5k I ran Aug. 5th. 

So A goal is PR, B goal is <39 min and C goal <40 min. 

Form drills and 1 mile warmup with some strides and jump into the shoot. We're staring right into the sun waiting for the gun and I'm already sweating my ### off. This is gonna hurt. Gun goes off and I try to find a nice rhythm. Originally I thought starting slower would be the way to go (some where between 6:15-6:20) but as we turn out of the sun into the shade I feel pretty good. Do I fight it and slow down or do I let it ride? I let it ride.

Mile 1 - 6:08 (182)

Still feeling good and just trying to be smooth. I try not to look at my watch too much. 

Mile 2 - 6:06 (192)

This is when I start thinking to myself that if the original plan was a negative split than this is gonna be one helluva race. 37:## maybe. This is also when I start thinking I may have started to too fast lol. 

Mile 3 - 6:12 (194)

Okay, it's official. I started too fast. But I knew it was going to hurt regardless so I just try to concentrate on my form and the 3 other runners around me. This also around the time where we blew through a turn sign and went about 10 yards in the wrong direction! (it happened again!) Luckily one of the guys realizes is pretty quickly and we double back. There was quite a few turns on this course.

Mile 4 - 6:10 (193)

Now I'm really hurting and I feel my pace starting to slip. It's hot and my legs are dead. But luckily there's still a pack of us, so I'm feeding off racing. Myself and a young guy put some distance on the other 2 guys as we head up a long bridge. I feel like I'm hauling ### at this point but not according to my watch. I'm definitely working anyway.

Mile 5 - 6:19 (193) *5 miles in 30:54 is a new 5 mile PR

Final mile and I'm spent. I'm doing the math to see if I can hold on for a PR and seems like I should have it unless I have to stop. The young guy starts to pull away and I can't seem to muster the will to go with him. I'm hurting. But still I try to be smooth and shake out my arms and shoulders. Form.  As we reach the end of mile 6 I actually sped up. I start catching up. I also start to notice that course is going to be long. ####. 

Mile 6 - 6:16 (193)

And it turns out this is unbelievably cruel race course. You know the ones that run you near the finish only to take you around it before the end. Anyway, as I said before I start to catch the young and now it's time to kick. I'm giving it everything I got because with the long course it's going to be very close for a PR. The young has more than me and I can never quite get him but he was a good rabbit at any rate. 

Mile .29 (some guys on strava feed had a full .3) - 5:37 (194)

New PR 38 minutes and 47 seconds.(192) (Strava had my 10K split as 38:20 - 6:10 avg) 2/43 and 9/652. If I'm being nit picky I'm not thrilled with the positive split tho. I gotta pace better than that but I'll take the end result. Now it's back to work and building more and more miles this month. 

 
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My HRM only goes that high when it's flaking out.  I have no idea what that must feel like.

Great race and got my ? for what's to come! 

 
Dances With Dirt 100K Relay Race, Hell, Michigan

I think this was the eighth installment for our team, though the first without our spirited leader, @2Young2BBald.   :(   Fortunately, a neat guy we met at the camp site last year decided to pass on the race's ultra and instead join our team as a fill-in.  This year was also the hottest one we've encountered with temps reaching 90 degrees in the afternoon.  (One of our guys was puking after toughing out his final leg.)  The only good news about the high temps and recent dry conditions is that the swamps weren't quite as wet and mucky as before - ankle deep stuff instead of the knee or hip deep possibilities of recent years (not that one gal didn't manage to get totally stuck and need for others to pull her out).  A couple of our guys weren't in good shape for many miles, which meant we had quite an uneven balance of the 15 legs, though everybody performed really well.  My four legs:

Leg 1: 5.5 miles (50 minutes, ~9:00/mile)  Nothing too challenging with this one - some early trails, a long section of country roads, then some more trails to the finish.

Leg 2: 3.0 miles (45 minutes, 15/mile)  This was my swamp leg ...with hills, too.  Early in the leg were two nasty hills, one called the dirt ladder 'cause you needed to climb on all fours to reach the steep top.  Later on was a few hundred yards of swamp, but again, we could pick our way through it without too much difficulty.

Leg 3: 3.7 miles (30 minutes, ~ 7:45/mile?)  Not sure if the length was right or the timing was precise (my watch had not charged properly), so all the times are quite rough.  We were all feeling the heat at this point.  The leg had a couple more nasty hills up and down before a long, dirt road segment to finish off.  Pacing and rhythm were real strong on that road.  At the finish was a quick slog through a muddy pond.

Leg 4: 6.2 miles (59 minutes, ~9:30/mile)  A near-immediate turnaround from the previous leg (the two legs in between were shorter ones, and we were encouraged to overlap and track the 'cheat' time).  I changed to new, dry clothes and shoes, scarfed a few chips, and refilled my fuel belt bottles.  I also broke out my new Western States bandana [edit: headband] - a gift from @SFBayDuck.  Having learned the trick at WS, I dipped it in ice water, pulled it down onto my neck, doubled it over and filled it with ice.   :thumbup:   This really helped.  Nevertheless, I was running this leg with my tank on "E."  For much of it, I was behind an impressive young gal who just. kept. plugging.  Even when I and other guys were walking up some hills, she'd keep jogging along.  I let her lead the way for much of the leg, given her consistency.  It's really a great leg of steady, rolling terrain ...when running on good legs.  Mine were quite shot.

So 18.4 miles in the heat.  Pacing was better than  I expected, given the weak training of late (a good rule of thumb is that trail segments add a minute/mile to the pace).  I was lucky that my first three legs all had road segments.  Having driven in late the night before, I was only able to hang around for an hour after the race (and a dip in the lake) before heading out to drive back home (church commitments this a.m.).  I made it, but I pounded three 17 oz. Gatorades while battling a lot of random cramping the whole way.  I doubt I'd have made it home without cruise control.  I short weekend, unfortunately, but great to be out there ...camping overnight, then enjoying the day.  We failed at getting good pics for 2Young of some of the nice scenery on the warm day, but barring more Irma's that pulled him away, he'll be back next year.

 
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My HRM only goes that high when it's flaking out.  I have no idea what that must feel like.

Great race and got my ? for what's to come! 
Believe me, I've seen a lot higher. I only hit 201 for my max yesterday!

Actually, I was kinda encouraged by my cardio yesterday. If you notice, while my HR was high, it was constant. I don't have many races where it doesn't drift up and UP. 

 
14 days until Chicago Marathon.  Let the race weather stalking begin!

Finished a 73 mile week.  Not exactly how the taper is drawn up, but my 20 miler was done on Monday (instead of Sunday last week) due to life getting in the way. 

This week is down to low 50's in terms of mileage. 

 
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14 days until Chicago Marathon.  Let the race weather stalking begin!

Finished a 73 mile week.  Not exactly how the taper is drawn up, but my 20 miler was done on Monday (instead of Sunday last week) due to life getting in the way. 

This week is down to low 50's in terms of mileage. 
Are you coming to town with family or by yourself?  Wondering if/hoping we'll have a chance to meet as some point.

 
I've been at 15-17 miles per week for the last 4 weeks. I'm assuming I should dial it back a little for Sunday's race, right? 

My last 2 runs have just been easy, last one this morning at 3.5 miles. 

I was thinking of doing a longer run of 4-5 miles tomorrow or Tuesday, pushing a little but not crazy.  Then on Thursday doing a race workout I read about (will paste below) and then maybe a couple easy miles on Saturday the day before. Does that sound reasonable?

2-mile warm-up + 4 strides, then 6 x 75 seconds at goal 5K pace with two minutes of easy jogging to recover between each interval. Run about 1 mile to cool down to complete 5 miles total.

 
I've been at 15-17 miles per week for the last 4 weeks. I'm assuming I should dial it back a little for Sunday's race, right? 

My last 2 runs have just been easy, last one this morning at 3.5 miles. 

I was thinking of doing a longer run of 4-5 miles tomorrow or Tuesday, pushing a little but not crazy.  Then on Thursday doing a race workout I read about (will paste below) and then maybe a couple easy miles on Saturday the day before. Does that sound reasonable?

2-mile warm-up + 4 strides, then 6 x 75 seconds at goal 5K pace with two minutes of easy jogging to recover between each interval. Run about 1 mile to cool down to complete 5 miles total.
Keep doing what you're doing and just take Saturday off IMO.  No need to overdo this.  You got money on the line or something?

 
I've been at 15-17 miles per week for the last 4 weeks. I'm assuming I should dial it back a little for Sunday's race, right? 

My last 2 runs have just been easy, last one this morning at 3.5 miles. 

I was thinking of doing a longer run of 4-5 miles tomorrow or Tuesday, pushing a little but not crazy.  Then on Thursday doing a race workout I read about (will paste below) and then maybe a couple easy miles on Saturday the day before. Does that sound reasonable?

2-mile warm-up + 4 strides, then 6 x 75 seconds at goal 5K pace with two minutes of easy jogging to recover between each interval. Run about 1 mile to cool down to complete 5 miles total.
Race week prep is like anything else - depends on the person.  Experiment and figure out what your body likes, but don't go too extreme on making changes to your routine (to @Osaurus's point).  The general idea of race week taper is to lower the quantity while keeping the same intensity.  

That workout looks fine, but have you done anything at 5K race pace yet?

 
Race week prep is like anything else - depends on the person.  Experiment and figure out what your body likes, but don't go too extreme on making changes to your routine (to @Osaurus's point).  The general idea of race week taper is to lower the quantity while keeping the same intensity.  

That workout looks fine, but have you done anything at 5K race pace yet?
No, not really. I've tried a couple runs where I pushed a bit, but even those were at 8:15-8:30 pace and I'd like to run at 8:03 to break 25 minutes.

That was the point of that workout, so that I could actually have an idea of what pace I need to be.  There's not really anything extreme or really different about it. I've been doing a 4-5 mile run every week and it's been about a week since I did. If I do that, the speed workout listed, and then a couple miles easy the day before, I'm at 11-12 total. If anything, I've made it a point to just keep it simple these last few weeks and just run.

 
I've been at 15-17 miles per week for the last 4 weeks. I'm assuming I should dial it back a little for Sunday's race, right? 

My last 2 runs have just been easy, last one this morning at 3.5 miles. 

I was thinking of doing a longer run of 4-5 miles tomorrow or Tuesday, pushing a little but not crazy.  Then on Thursday doing a race workout I read about (will paste below) and then maybe a couple easy miles on Saturday the day before. Does that sound reasonable?

2-mile warm-up + 4 strides, then 6 x 75 seconds at goal 5K pace with two minutes of easy jogging to recover between each interval. Run about 1 mile to cool down to complete 5 miles total.
Full disclosure - given what I've gleaned from others I fall nearer to one extreme.  I'm a firm believer in you cannot do anything fitness-wise to improve your race the week of.  Rest, diet, and minimizing stress are much more important.  To put some context to it, I am running a half Sunday and average about 45 miles per week - I cut back to 34 last week, last real workout was Wed (12 mi), took Sunday completely off, and this is my plan for the week:

Today- hybrid jog, intermittent lunges and push ups while maintaining recovery pace in between.  I usually do about 5 miles give or take for this workout (every other week or so?), but given the heat will likely cut back mileage today.

Tomorrow- either rest or a short (4 miles?) recovery, just depends if I feel I need to shake my legs out or not.

Wed- 5-6 miles w/a couplefew at race pace, I'll echo the others on you doing some 5K pacing this week, especially since you haven't done any.  Maybe 1-1.5 miles of it, unlike every other week of training volume isn't all that important right now so if your total workout is just 3 miles, cool.  This workout is really just about crispness and getting more comfortable with the goal pace.

Thu - rest, I try to get everything I need to accomplish for the week done before Thu, that way I'm truly resting really at all times until the race.  The most important night's of sleep are Thu and Fri.

Fri - shakeout, sometimes I'll go 5 miles or so, sometimes I'll cut it off early at about 3 - just depends how I am feeling.  

Sat - rest

Sun - F*** some S*** up.

 
I've been at 15-17 miles per week for the last 4 weeks. I'm assuming I should dial it back a little for Sunday's race, right? 

My last 2 runs have just been easy, last one this morning at 3.5 miles. 

I was thinking of doing a longer run of 4-5 miles tomorrow or Tuesday, pushing a little but not crazy.  Then on Thursday doing a race workout I read about (will paste below) and then maybe a couple easy miles on Saturday the day before. Does that sound reasonable?

2-mile warm-up + 4 strides, then 6 x 75 seconds at goal 5K pace with two minutes of easy jogging to recover between each interval. Run about 1 mile to cool down to complete 5 miles total.
You probably want to test that 5k pace early this week and still get some rest ahead of race day. 

Race day warm up will be key since you're targeting an aggressive pace. 

 
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@MAC_32  Could you remind me what your half marathon PR is and what your goal is for this one?
I ran 1:25:56 in a sleet/hail/thunder snow storm May 2016.  I'm starting off Sunday putting myself in a position to go for sub hour 20 if things are clicking, but allowing room to bail out if the pace is too vigorous so I still ensure a quality PR instead of flaming out around mile 9.  Thankfully the cold front is coming through before Sunday - currently projecting sunny, 51 degrees, and no wind  :thumbup: .  Slightly better than the 85-92 degree afternoon heat I got to tango with late last week.  :X Today's workout will be the last one in this noise...

 
You probably want to test that 5k pace early this week and still get some rest ahead of race day. 

Race day warm up will be since key since you're targeting an aggressive pace. 
Yeah, I actually tried it this morning after I got started.  My comfortable pace for most runs now is around 9:20-9:30.  I set out this morning to do about 3-4 miles and push it closer to 9 or just under with a goal of running 1 of the miles closer to 8 to see what it felt like.  I did 3.8 miles last week on that point to point run at a 9:03 pace and felt really good so I didn't think this would be unreasonable.

When I got to the first half mile, my pace was at 8:40 and felt good.  I decided to see what it would be like to push the 2nd half and get it down to have an idea what it would feel like.  Well, I pushed more than I realized and got the 1st mile split down to 8:15.  I then went too hard in the 2nd mile at 7:49.  At that point I was done, did a last almost  2/10th mile sprint and had to stop. 

I know what my 9:30 pace feels like and I know what my 9:00 pace feels like.  I still don't have a good feel for much below that other than it's "faster".  I'm getting into the 7's without realizing it and burning out.  Like you and Mac said, I'm going to try on Wednesday to get a feel for that 8:00 min pace.  Again, that was the point of the workout that I posted and is very similar to what Mac suggested.  I just wanted to make sure I had the timing of stuff right, mainly, on which days would be ideal to do it this week.

I feel good.  Nothing hurts, my easy runs have been easy, and my legs feel stronger.  My biggest worry is coming out too fast and my goal this week is to try and prepare to make sure that doesn't happen.  Or coming out too slow and trying too hard to make it up.  No money on the line, but with what I've done, I think hitting 25:00 is going to be a challenge but something I can potentially do.  The pacing thing is completely new to me, though.  I know it's just a 5k but I feel like I've put some effort into this and I'd like to do the best that I can while still enjoying it. 

 
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I ran 1:25:56 in a sleet/hail/thunder snow storm May 2016.  I'm starting off Sunday putting myself in a position to go for sub hour 20 if things are clicking, but allowing room to bail out if the pace is too vigorous so I still ensure a quality PR instead of flaming out around mile 9.  Thankfully the cold front is coming through before Sunday - currently projecting sunny, 51 degrees, and no wind  :thumbup: .  Slightly better than the 85-92 degree afternoon heat I got to tango with late last week.  :X Today's workout will be the last one in this noise...
Yeah, I thought I recalled that you had some weather issues that time.  I think you have an excellent chance at sub 80 considering the weather forecast!

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On my end, I decided to enter a 8 mile race for Saturday.  I've never ran a 8-miler before.  My goal is to run faster than PR half marathon pace, so a hair under 6:20 miles.  I've been in the low 6:20s to high 6:10s for my tempo runs so I'm reasonably familiar with that pace.  Although this course is a little hilly (by Chicago-area standards) the weather forecast is like MAC's.  I think I have a pretty good shot.

 
Btw, I remember I did one similar run exactly 2 weeks ago.  Started out with a first half mile split of 8:30 (instead of 8:40 today) and bumped up the rest of that 1st mile to finish the first mile at an 8:15 pace (same as today).  Did the next 1.5 miles at 8:06 and finished 2.5 miles total in 21:00 (8:10 pace).  I had plenty left for the last 6/10ths but stopped at a light and was pretty much home so didn't go further.  That run felt fantastic and if I can do that Sunday I'll be thrilled.

Today was very similar except I was slightly slower to start (8:40 vs. 8:30) and then worked harder to make it up, finishing with the same 1st mile split of 8:15.  But instead of keeping it around 8:05, I dropped down to 7:50 and that extra bit did me in and could barely make it past 2 miles.

Now, I know different days mean different things, but just looking at this is pretty helpful, I think.  I realize that I can't go slower than 8:30 for the first half mile if I want to hit my goal.  I really need to try harder to be closer to 8:15 when I start.  And I also learned there's a really fine line for me between 7:50 and 8:05 and I have to find that pace or I'm not going to finish well at all.  And I know that I can do the 8:05 pace and feel good.  2 weeks ago felt very in control.  Today felt very out of control.

I'm going to work Wednesday to get a good feel for what 8:00 pace feels like and hope that's enough to get it to stick.

 
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  2 weeks ago felt very in control.  Today felt very out of control.
Welcome to running. 

If it's me, go out in your race at an 8:00 pace and just see what happens. If you blow up you blow up. You can always scale it back in mile 3 if you want. 

 
So I still don't have my FEMA badging and because of some yahoo in the building emailing personal information, all unbadged folks had to leave.  I guess that was pretty much me.  So I am driving down Skyline Dr. in Shenandoah National Park today.  It's a beautiful place.  I might be leaving for home sooner than I thought which means my 15k Oct. 1 is still in play.  Hoping I go home.  Our tax dollars are being seriously wasted on hurricane recovery efforts IMHO.

 
Btw, your Strava pic from your run this morning is.....interesting. 
:lol:  every one of you pervs loves to point that out.

Really happy to get out in the pre-dawn hours and run pretty much pain free for the first time in 10 months.  Calves are still a little stiff which can irritate the achilles, but I've turned the corner.  Straight line running doesn't bother my MCL at all, so thats all good.  I'm nervous to make some cuts on it, but I am really itching to get back to playing pick-up soccer.  

 
:lol:  every one of you pervs loves to point that out.

Really happy to get out in the pre-dawn hours and run pretty much pain free for the first time in 10 months.  Calves are still a little stiff which can irritate the achilles, but I've turned the corner.  Straight line running doesn't bother my MCL at all, so thats all good.  I'm nervous to make some cuts on it, but I am really itching to get back to playing pick-up soccer.  
Awesome!! :thumbup:

 
We put an FBG team together for the Bourbon Chase several years ago ...good times!  (A few less active/inactive members continue to do it with other runners.)  As the team crossed the finish line, they announced (on our request) "from the internet, team Useless Without Bourbon."  We had guys from Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Florida, Alabama, Kentucky ..and pigskinliquors driving in from Texas just for the after-party.  
I'd be down for doing a Ragnar race (Madison to Chicago?) next year...

 
So I've obviously been MIA for a few weeks....

I ran a half marathon on 9/2 with the intention of running my (then) goal marathon pace for Milwaukee Lakefront, 7:15/mile (1:35 half).  Should've been relatively easy, but it was anything but.  Obviously my ego had written a check that my body couldn't cash, and I struggled to run 1:38:43.  Less than 3 years ago I'd run a 3:03 marathon and a 1:27 half.  How the hell did I let myself get so badly out of shape??  I was depressed and angry, and convinced that I'd never be able to get my speed back, I decided that not only would I skip my upcoming marathon, but I'd "retire" from road racing completely and focus on the trails (where it's less about speed and more about endurance).

Fast forward 3+ weeks, and I realize now that I was foolish to think that I could go from "out of shape" to "BQ shape" in 12 weeks.  I'll be going in with a steeeeeeeeeeeeep taper, but at this point, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna go ahead and run Lakefront on Sunday.  Temps are forecast to be in the 50s, which is still a little warmer than I'd like, but certainly better than the 80-degree BS that we've had the last several days.  I realize now that 3:10 (or anything near it) isn't going to happen, but I'm still hoping that I can go sub-3:30 and win the Clydesdale division.  With any luck, it'll go reasonably well, and it'll be the springboard I need to train for a legit BQ attempt in the spring.  And if nothing else, I'll be getting some good time on my feet in preparation for an 8-hour trail race that I'm doing on November 4.

Wish me luck!

 
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Any recommendations for a fast, relatively flat, cool marathon in late March or early April?  I know it's a tough time frame...

 
Was just pulling up the results from the 2016 5K I'm doing this Sunday.  There were 710 participants.  If I can run it at 25:00, that would have been good enough for 33rd overall and 4th in my age group (M40-44).  That surprises me a bit and makes me a bit weary I'll be able to hit it.  But, I'm going to go for it!

 
Any recommendations for a fast, relatively flat, cool marathon in late March or early April?  I know it's a tough time frame...
I hear there's one in Boston. J/K

Shamrock Marathon in Virginia Beach. Mid-March. Doesn't get any flatter and generally is cool to cold. Though the last couple years the weather has been wonky with wind and rain but hopefully we're due for good weather this coming year. 

 
Was just pulling up the results from the 2016 5K I'm doing this Sunday.  There were 710 participants.  If I can run it at 25:00, that would have been good enough for 33rd overall and 4th in my age group (M40-44).  That surprises me a bit and makes me a bit weary I'll be able to hit it.  But, I'm going to go for it!
But what would be good for 3rd in your AG? No hardware for 4th! 

 
But what would be good for 3rd in your AG? No hardware for 4th! 
Heh, no chance.  3rd place ran it in 23:45 (7:39 pace).  Not happening.  And who knows for this year anyway.  Honestly don't even care about hardware.  I'll be happy if I can hit that goal and just do well for what I've been working on.

 
Speaking of next year, anyone tried any of the North Face endurance series races?  They have them across the country and one is outside of D.C. I Need april. Probably the least scenic of all by far but would slot nicely in for a longer trail experience for me.  

Someday I'd like to run a real hill. 

 

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