Ran a 10k - Official Thread (11 Viewers)

[ChiefD]

Welp, my first four weeks of training are in the books. Logged 69 miles (nice) and have seen quite a bit of improvement in my speed. The first week, 10 minute mile pace was all I could handle - now, my super easy recovery pace is about 9:30 with my quicker runs being under 8:00. Hope is to keep improving on that front and to go for 100+ miles over the next four weeks. 

Also, tonight I officially registered for the Garmin half marathon - my race date is April 13, 2019.   Kinda far away, but being my first long distance race I feel like I need an excessive amount of training. Having all that time to log a lot of miles will be good for my confidence, and will get me on my way to goal #2 of running a full marathon at some point. 

Sweet. I've run that Garmin race before - it's a decent race but the course is a little on the boring side. But well organized and the weather should be great for you that weekend. 

I usually run the Rock the Parkway half for my spring race, but it's the same weekend as the Garmin race. (which is weird, since Garmin is usually a week or two after). 

 

[tri-man 47]

Congrats on the PR, @SteelCurtain !     Not the type of racing that's enjoyable, but you still managed to get it done.  Without that stupid side stitch, you'd have crushed it!  

 

[Osaurus]

Get yourself on Strava so we can follow along the progress!

@bud29  Welcome to the Strava group.  Make sure to say I’m a BMF as often as possible when running.

 

[gruecd]

So I'm leaning towards probably racing the half this coming Sunday.  Temps will probably be in the 50s, which is honestly warmer than I'd like, but do-able. My PR is 1:27:01, but I ran 1:27:45 in early June on a tougher course, and I'm definitely in better shape now, so something in the 1:25-1:26 range should probably be do-able.  Kinda scares the crap out of me though.  As a marathoner, I like my pain to be a little less "concentrated..."

 

[SteelCurtain]

It's a fantastic sign that you PRed while having to take a walking break!  I hope you find time to squeeze in another sub 90 attempt this fall.

I'm looking.  Problem is I have a marathon pacing gig on October 7 and likely my first ultra in late November.  Hoping late October I can find something. After this run, I definitely feel like I have 1:29x in me. 

I also need to try to get approval from my wife.  She's generally supportive of my running but she's getting sick of it. 

 

[gianmarco]

So I'm leaning towards probably racing the half this coming Sunday.  Temps will probably be in the 50s, which is honestly warmer than I'd like, but do-able. My PR is 1:27:01, but I ran 1:27:45 in early June on a tougher course, and I'm definitely in better shape now, so something in the 1:25-1:26 range should probably be do-able.  Kinda scares the crap out of me though.  As a marathoner, I like my pain to be a little less "concentrated..."

I'm glad you posted this because I've been meaning to ask.  I know how badly a 5K is supposed to hurt.  And I'm ok with that because it's over relatively soon.  The 10K I just ran was nowhere near as uncomfortable overall but still wasn't "fun" in terms of how it felt for most of the race. 

When you guys are doing HM and marathons, are you guys feeling uncomfortable for the duration of the run?  How much is it supposed to suck?  I will say when I did the 15K last year and it being both my first and only distance race, I had no idea and after the first 4 miles it was complete hell for the remainder of the run. 

Now, if it's supposed to be that way in order to do well, then so be it.  But do you guys suffer for most of the race or do you settle into a groove and then make it hurt at the end?

I started giving the idea of splitting my race into 3rds some thought.  Running the first 5 miles at ~8:05-8:10 pace, run the next 4 miles at 7:50-7:55, struggle during mile 10 uphill and try to maintain 9:00 and then hitting the last 2.1 miles really hard like a 5K (especially since it's mostly downhill) and get it to 7:30.  Is that a dumb way to approach this? 

 

[gruecd]

I'm glad you posted this because I've been meaning to ask.  I know how badly a 5K is supposed to hurt.  And I'm ok with that because it's over relatively soon.  The 10K I just ran was nowhere near as uncomfortable overall but still wasn't "fun" in terms of how it felt for most of the race. 

When you guys are doing HM and marathons, are you guys feeling uncomfortable for the duration of the run?  How much is it supposed to suck?  I will say when I did the 15K last year and it being both my first and only distance race, I had no idea and after the first 4 miles it was complete hell for the remainder of the run. 

Now, if it's supposed to be that way in order to do well, then so be it.  But do you guys suffer for most of the race or do you settle into a groove and then make it hurt at the end?

I started giving the idea of splitting my race into 3rds some thought.  Running the first 5 miles at ~8:05-8:10 pace, run the next 4 miles at 7:50-7:55, struggle during mile 10 uphill and try to maintain 9:00 and then hitting the last 2.1 miles really hard like a 5K (especially since it's mostly downhill) and get it to 7:30.  Is that a dumb way to approach this? 

5Ks and 10Ks, IMHO, should basically hurt from the jump.  No thanks.

For the marathon, I generally feel pretty comfortable until mile 20 or so.  For the half that I did back in June, it certainly didn't "hurt" until the last few miles, but I don't ever remember really feeling "comfortable" either, if that makes sense.

 

[gruecd]

I think "comfortably uncomfortable" after the first couple of miles is what you're really shooting for in the half.

 

[SteelCurtain]

5Ks and 10Ks, IMHO, should basically hurt from the jump.  No thanks.

For the marathon, I generally feel pretty comfortable until mile 20 or so.  For the half that I did back in June, it certainly didn't "hurt" until the last few miles, but I don't ever remember really feeling "comfortable" either, if that makes sense.

Agree.  5K's are just generally painful throughout for me. 

Honestly, the 5K's is an aerobic pain.  I feel like my heart will explode in these races.

In the marathon, the pain isn't the heart.  Its the muscles, joints, etc.  Its almost a different kind of pain.  And the marathon is fabulous, fun and zero pain for the first 20-22 miles.  Its the last 4-6 miles where you earn your stripes.

 

[Juxtatarot]

@gianmarco  I think for your first half marathon, the first several miles should feel pretty comfortable.  I don't know if you've run enough races, have enough mileage or enough longish tempos to have it uncomfortable from the beginning.

 

[ChiefD]

In the marathon, the pain isn't the heart.  Its the muscles, joints, etc.  Its almost a different kind of pain.  And the marathon is fabulous, fun and zero pain for the first 20-22 miles.  Its the last 4-6 miles where you earn your stripes.

Man, this is the part I need to figure out before next March. I'm hoping better fitness will help, but if you guys have any tips it would be great. My previous two marathon tries were tough at mile 20. I guess the bulk of this is mental, yes? Or is there something else I can do to help prepare? Other than more miles of course.

 

[gruecd]

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Still unchanged 3 years later, and I doubt that it'll change much going forward.  I'm just better at the longer stuff.  

 

[MAC_32]

I'm glad you posted this because I've been meaning to ask.  I know how badly a 5K is supposed to hurt.  And I'm ok with that because it's over relatively soon.  The 10K I just ran was nowhere near as uncomfortable overall but still wasn't "fun" in terms of how it felt for most of the race. 

When you guys are doing HM and marathons, are you guys feeling uncomfortable for the duration of the run?  How much is it supposed to suck?  I will say when I did the 15K last year and it being both my first and only distance race, I had no idea and after the first 4 miles it was complete hell for the remainder of the run. 

Now, if it's supposed to be that way in order to do well, then so be it.  But do you guys suffer for most of the race or do you settle into a groove and then make it hurt at the end?

I started giving the idea of splitting my race into 3rds some thought.  Running the first 5 miles at ~8:05-8:10 pace, run the next 4 miles at 7:50-7:55, struggle during mile 10 uphill and try to maintain 9:00 and then hitting the last 2.1 miles really hard like a 5K (especially since it's mostly downhill) and get it to 7:30.  Is that a dumb way to approach this? 

I think 5-5-5 is the ideal rookie approach, 5 mile warm up 5 miles uncomfortable 5K race on tired legs.  

Me personally, I don't worry about my pace for the first mile or so - check my split a mile in then find my goal pace through mile 10 before the real race begins.  Now while this approach is far less stressful early on because you're just trying to settle in rather than looking at your watch every 30 seconds amidst large crowds it's led me to some really dumb starts - the 5:38 first mile in my 'best half' sticks out.  Despite some hiccups I still think it works best for me - it's led to me reminding myself to run that first mile slower than I want and I have just naturally ended up closer to the pace I'm looking for.  If anything it's been a little slow, which is okay, especially in longer races - it's a whole lot more effective and efficient to pick it up a notch than try to hit the brakes.

I think ideally you want a relatively steady pace for the first 10 miles, but I get why you'd want to start a little slow then pick it up with this being your first since you really don't know what you can do.  But if you think you can do sub hour 45 I'd try to start closer to 8-8:05 rather than 8:05-8:10.  If you do the latter then you're really going to have to htfu to get there on probably no contingency time.  The former and you're in a position to ride the waves of the race and if it's too vigorous you can still back it off and go for your B goal - whatever that may be.

 

[MAC_32]

Man, this is the part I need to figure out before next March. I'm hoping better fitness will help, but if you guys have any tips it would be great. My previous two marathon tries were tough at mile 20. I guess the bulk of this is mental, yes? Or is there something else I can do to help prepare? Other than more miles of course.

I actually don't think it's mental at all - getting to mile 20 anyway.  It's a 20 mile warm-up followed by a 10K race.  As @SteelCurtain said, the first 20 miles should feel effortless - it's the last 10K that tells the story.  If it's getting hard before then you need to back it off before it's too late even though it may already be. 

To best set yourself up it really just starts with your last sentence.  How much from there depends on how successful your training was.  Don't think it's worthwhile to go into the if-then tree when it comes to training - every training cycle is a unique if-then statement for each individual.  I think you've been doing the right things so far though.

 

[Juxtatarot]

I think 5-5-5 is the ideal rookie approach, 5 mile warm up 5 miles uncomfortable 5K race on tired legs.  

I don't understand the last 5K part of this.  Does this mean that the effort level of mile 2 in a 5K should be similar to mile 12 in a half marathon?  If so, I personally don't think I could manage that.

 

[Juxtatarot]

In marathons, I start feeling bad around half way.  It gets slowly worse until I bonk and just fall off the cliff.  In my best marathons that's been around 23 to 25 miles.  For my worst, it's been in the late teens.

 

[MAC_32]

I don't understand the last 5K part of this.  Does this mean that the effort level of mile 2 in a 5K should be similar to mile 12 in a half marathon?  If so, I personally don't think I could manage that.

Speaking from more of a mental perspective than effort.  Most half marathoner's probably got their start with a 5K.  Likely several.  They know what that's like and can draw back to that experience despite being in no man's land at this stage of the half.  So get to that final 5K then lock in like it's mile 1 of a 5K.  How hard to run?  I don't know, but you'll know when you get there.  Mile 2?  It should start to get hard if it hasn't already.  If it isn't hard yet then go faster.  How hard to run?  Same answer as "mile 1."  Mile 3.1?  It should be hell.  Probably not from a HR perspective, but everything else?  Yeah, probably.  Is it your hips? calves? back? something else?  Sure, maybe all of them.  But burn rubber anyway.  You won't be, you're in the 13th mile of your first half marathon - but mentally I think it should feel that way.  And it's difficult to describe that feeling until you're actually there.

 

[-OZ-]

I think 5-5-5 is the ideal rookie approach, 5 mile warm up 5 miles uncomfortable 5K race on tired legs.  

And this is why tri >>>>>> running races.  Same plan / concept but divided up better. 

 

[MAC_32]

In marathons, I start feeling bad around half way.  It gets slowly worse until I bonk and just fall off the cliff.  In my best marathons that's been around 23 to 25 miles.  For my worst, it's been in the late teens.

That sounds about right - I only have two to draw back on but in the first it started to get hard around mile 15.  I didn't adjust much then detoriated rather quickly miles 18 and 19, held on for dear life, then crashed starting miles 23 and 24. 

I noticed the warning signs miles 18 and 19 on attempt #2 and backed off on the effort.  It wasn't getting hard yet, but I could tell it was going to soon.  That minor adjustment pushed that hard point back to miles 21 and 22.  Still not ideal, but I was in a position to at least reasonably try to gut it out.  Hit that point a couple miles (or more) sooner and you're not going to make it unscathed - it's going to get bad.  I didn't end up really struggling until mile 24 - but still, mentally knowing I was > 2 miles out left me second guessing exactly what to do in order to still get there as quickly as possible - I was still chasing a BQ after all.  I think if those struggles held off another mile or so mentally I'd have been able to keep battling rather than feeling like I needed to strategize.

So it's nice to read someone who has had well run marathons say what I've been thinking since my last attempt.  The race starts at mile 20, but it shouldn't get hard until the final 5K.

 

[Juxtatarot]

The race starts at mile 20, but it shouldn't get hard until the final 5K.

In my opinion, it can be hard but shouldn't be dreadful until the final 5K (and hopefully less!).

 

[Ned]

And the marathon is fabulous

Don't let these guys suck you in like this, @gianmarco.  The marathon sucks donkey balls.     I'd also point out that "running" a marathon and "racing" a marathon are entirely different creatures all together.  You can go out and jog one and get that enjoyable experience, but if you're racing it?   

I'll echo @Juxtatarot's comments.  Even on my best marathon, the last 10K was pure unadulterated torture (literally cried over the last mile or so).  I'll gladly take the 5K pain over the marathon pain 10/10 times.

 

[SteelCurtain]

One other thought on this. 

A marathon is a completely different beast than a half marathon.  I have all the respect in the world for those that run half marathons.  But realize, if you choose to make that jump up to a full marathon, it is nothing like a half.  But the satisfaction you experience after a full marathon is nothing like anything I have experienced in athletics.

 

[gianmarco]

One other thought on this. 

A marathon is a completely different beast than a half marathon.  I have all the respect in the world for those that run half marathons.  But realize, if you choose to make that jump up to a full marathon, it is nothing like a half.  But the satisfaction you experience after a full marathon is nothing like anything I have experienced in athletics.

Is that why you run one almost every week just for fun?

 

[SteelCurtain]

Is that why you run one almost every week just for fun?

Ha ha.  Notice I said its great until mile 20-22?  Well, now make note my training runs go to 20-22 miles and then I just shut it down. 

 

[gianmarco]

Ha ha.  Notice I said its great until mile 20-22?  Well, notice my training runs go to 20-22 miles and then I just shut it down. 

Well, then, you're missing out on an experience unlike anything else in athletics.  So I've heard.

 

[JShare87]

In my opinion, it can be hard but shouldn't be dreadful until the final 5K (and hopefully less!).

Unless, of course, you’re a BMF. If that’s the case, then you can just sing Kesha songs out loud from mile 22 on. Man, that was my best experience running ever. I still think about it on every long run. That’s why we do this, for moments like that. Back to the point, I agree with @gruecd. He was spot on with all the runs, especially the 5 and 10k. It should be painful from the jump. Also, @SteelCurtain made a great point about the pain. In 5 and 10Ks the pain is breathing. In a marathon, it’s all about muscle fatigue. I’ll take muscle fatigue feeling any day over the pain in 5 and 10Ks.

 

[gianmarco]

Unless, of course, you’re a BMF. If that’s the case, then you can just sing Kesha songs out loud from mile 22 on. Man, that was my best experience running ever. I still think about it on every long run. That’s why we do this, for moments like that. Back to the point, I agree with @gruecd. He was spot on with all the runs, especially the 5 and 10k. It should be painful from the jump. Also, @SteelCurtain made a great point about the pain. In 5 and 10Ks the pain is breathing. In a marathon, it’s all about muscle fatigue. I’ll take muscle fatigue feeling any day over the pain in 5 and 10Ks.

I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not, but I do think of you every time Ke$ha comes on.

 

[MAC_32]

Don't let these guys suck you in like this, @gianmarco.  The marathon sucks donkey balls.     I'd also point out that "running" a marathon and "racing" a marathon are entirely different creatures all together.  You can go out and jog one and get that enjoyable experience, but if you're racing it?   

I'll echo @Juxtatarot's comments.  Even on my best marathon, the last 10K was pure unadulterated torture (literally cried over the last mile or so).  I'll gladly take the 5K pain over the marathon pain 10/10 times.

Me too, which is why I chuckle whenever I see endurance monster @gruecd write about how much he enjoys the full and loathes 10K's and under so much he won't even consider doing one.  We're all different, which makes this group all that more enjoyable to discuss running with.  But in the interest of transparency - one of the reasons I've really taken to fulls is because I'm not good at them.  I can do a 5K without preparing for it.  I did one a little more than a month ago in some poor conditions and poor training - 18:43 is certainly not up to my standards, but it's still a good time.  Yesterday we did a 1.7 mile parents "fun run" after a 3rd-8th XC meet in the middle of the afternoon in sunny 84/68 conditions after being out there for 4 hours on a course without one ounce of shade.  And I did 5:41-5:37.  But it takes meticulous planning over every minute of my day for 6 months to fail at the marathon.  It's my weakness, which is why I am working so hard to try to change that.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Also, @SteelCurtain made a great point about the pain. In 5 and 10Ks the pain is breathing. In a marathon, it’s all about muscle fatigue. I’ll take muscle fatigue feeling any day over the pain in 5 and 10Ks.

I always feel self-conscious with my breathing in 5Ks.  Although more rapid, it is always more controlled than people around me.  It's a different type of muscle fatigue than a marathon, but that's still what hurts for me in a 5K.  

 

[Brony]

I always feel self-conscious with my breathing in 5Ks.  Although more rapid, it is always more controlled that people around me.  It's a different type of muscle fatigue than a marathon, but that's still what hurts for me in a 5K.  

Oh, so you go fast enough in a 5K that you can't have a conversation with a new friend for a mile and a half? 

 

[tri-man 47]

When you guys are doing HM and marathons, are you guys feeling uncomfortable for the duration of the run?  How much is it supposed to suck?  I will say when I did the 15K last year and it being both my first and only distance race, I had no idea and after the first 4 miles it was complete hell for the remainder of the run. 

Now, if it's supposed to be that way in order to do well, then so be it.  But do you guys suffer for most of the race or do you settle into a groove and then make it hurt at the end?

For me, the effort for the first 15-18 miles aren't too taxing due to the marathon training.  I can recall a marathon where I fell into a great rhythm with another guy, and we chatted from, like, mile 4 to mile 15 until I noticed his stride was slipping.  In the marathons where I've struggled, I've been aware of it as early as mile 2 (higher HR and effort).  In general, if I'm laboring at the HM split, I know I'm in for a tough day. 

But about mile 20: In my marathon training, I now like to push my long runs to 22-23 miles.  The logic is to acclimate my body to that time frame ...the time for 23 miles in training isn't too far off the brisker marathon race effort.  I'd argue the last 10K is so hard for runners because they've never gone that far (about a third of most marathon runners are first-timers, I've read).  Regardless, each of my eleven marathons has been distinct.

 

[jb1020]

I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not, but I do think of you every time Ke$ha comes on.

I tried the Ke$ha thing the other day on a run, but it didn't take.  

 A few hours later my wife opens up Spotify.  "Either we've been hacked, or you've been listening to Ke$ha...and I don't know which would shock me more." 

 

[gruecd]

I'll gladly take the 5K pain over the marathon pain 10/10 times.

You enjoy feeling like your ####### chest is going to explode and you're going to vomit all over yourself?

 

[JShare87]

You enjoy feeling like your ####### chest is going to explode and you're going to vomit all over yourself?

With @gruecd all the way on this one. Maybe one day I will be an endurance mister like him and @SteelCurtain. It’s all about building that base!

 

[ChiefD]

Just for fun, went back and looked at my Strava data from the summer of 2016, which was the summer before my last marathon. Right now I am running almost exactly the same pace and heart rate as I was back then, under similar weather conditions. And under a lot less miles per week. 

So basically, I have 2.5 months of base training still to go, and then another 18 weeks of training before the marathon. The weather here is supposed to break this week, so my hope is to start adding a little more mileage per week as well if the schedule allows. 

Feeling pretty good about where I am right now. Body holding steady, which is good. 

 

[MAC_32]

You enjoy feeling like your ####### chest is going to explode and you're going to vomit all over yourself?

And pass out. Dont forget that too.

 

[gruecd]

Not that I was worried, but I got my Boston confirmation of acceptance today.  

Based on their Facebook post today, I think my buddy was right and the cutoff will be well upwards of 4:00....maybe even close to 5:  "A small percentage of those registering during Week 2 will be accepted."

 

[Brony]

Just for fun, went back and looked at my Strava data from the summer of 2016, which was the summer before my last marathon. Right now I am running almost exactly the same pace and heart rate as I was back then, under similar weather conditions. And under a lot less miles per week. 

So basically, I have 2.5 months of base training still to go, and then another 18 weeks of training before the marathon. The weather here is supposed to break this week, so my hope is to start adding a little more mileage per week as well if the schedule allows. 

Feeling pretty good about where I am right now. Body holding steady, which is good. 

 good to hear Chief!

 

[Ned]

I'll gladly take the 5K pain over the marathon pain 10/10 times.

You enjoy feeling like your ####### chest is going to explode and you're going to vomit all over yourself?

Never said I enjoyed it, but yeah... give me the quick pain over that long agonizing death march.

 

[bushdocda]

Even thinking of talking to someone while running makes my HR go up. 

 

[SFBayDuck]

To be honest, this is a pretty bad-### effort to come back from having to walk and still PR. I know when a race beats me it just beats me and mentally I can't get back there.

You did get back in there mentally. Wow. 

This.  That's great mental toughness to bounce back from where you were to that strong finish.  

 

[pbm107]

Rock N Roll Philly Race Report

I had two goal races for the fall, this race and Richmond marathon in November.   Running a September half marathon and a November marathon is something that I have done in the past in 2012, 2013, and 2015.  Each year I did this I ran a somewhat disappointing half (or really disappointing in 2015) and then followed it up with a good performance in the marathon in November. 

I think some of my issues with those half marathons were due to my training which was base building over summer then a Pfitz plan for 18 weeks before the marathon.  The primary goal those years was always the marathon, and I think my half marathon performance then suffered because I only had a handful of tempo runs prior to race day.

This year was different, for 14 weeks prior to the half I ran at least one quality work out a week which was based on the Pfitz half plan.  I wasn’t able to run all the miles in the plan, but I felt good about what I was able to do considering it was the summer.  Embracing the treadmill for workouts is something that has helped me.

Until this race I would often say that this has been a really good year and I have had only one bad day, Broad Street.  Now I have had 2 bad days. This really has been a breakout year for me even though I haven’t demonstrated it in a race over a quarter marathon. 

Race Day

Standing around waiting for the race to start I was really encouraged by how cloudy it was and how cool it felt, but looking at the weather history it was 66 degrees with a dew point of 64 and by the finish the suck index was 135.

The plan was to run the first 3 miles at 6:20 and then speed up to 6:15 if I felt good.  The first few miles are run in center city so I knew that GPS might struggle a bit there so I did my best to make sure I didn’t run faster than plan.  I did a decent job with it with a 6:21, 6:18, and a 6:12.  It was during the 3 mile where I felt warm.

Since I was feeling warm I decided that I wasn’t going to try to speed up and decided to try to stay at 6:20 pace.  I think this is where I drank some water at a stop and poured another cup over my head. Mile 5 is where I noticed that I am starting to slow down despite no change in effort.  #### I know I am in trouble, but I don’t fully accept it and try to stay under 6:30.  Miles 6 and 7 I continued with the effort but can no longer maintain sub 6:30 pace.  Ran these 2 at 6:38.  These are miserable miles because this is pointless and I am not even to the turnaround point at 9 miles.  My only focus is getting to the bridge where we turnaround. 

Mile 8 is the first time in the race were I walk through the water stop to make sure I drink a full cup of water and the dump water on my head, legs are shot and get through this mile in 7:10.

Mile 9 is where we reach the bridge and turnaround point, this race sucks but at least now each step now is closer to the finish line rather than farther away. Miles 9-12 were 7:25, 7:21, 7:27, and 7:25.

Mile 13 I realized that I am going to have to push it in order to run sub 1:30, and I am pushing it as hard as I can.  With a half a mile to go the 1:30 pacer and his group pass me.  I couldn’t keep up with them but I was able to finish with 1:29:53 without any puking.

Frustrating day but I guess that’s how racing works. Post race I was drinking with one of my running mentors and he said that only on two occasions in his running career has the race result equated to the work that went into it.  I thought that was depressing, but he is 48 and he wishes he was healthy enough to be racing. 

Confidence is a bit shaken between the result here and at Broad Street, but I think I am on the right path.  I am stubborn.

 

[SteelCurtain]

Not that I was worried, but I got my Boston confirmation of acceptance today.  

Based on their Facebook post today, I think my buddy was right and the cutoff will be well upwards of 4:00....maybe even close to 5:  "A small percentage of those registering during Week 2 will be accepted."

Is it just me and you in 2019?  I thought there was someone else heading to Boston. 

 

[bushdocda]

Think it was just on a recent Endurance Planet pod but something like “training calluses you from the pain of racing”.

Its gonna hurt but it’s the hurt you know and impart on yourself which makes it more manageable.  I have not decided which I prefer but right now I train like mad to be as prepared for it as I can bc I know it’s coming.  5k race pain was more of a horrible out of body burning but you know you can make it stop sooner if you keep pushing. Total connumdrum. Marathon for me was as described, full body and mind muscles, legs, back, everything for the last hour.  Really have no idea why I’m so excited to do it again in 6 weeks. 

 

[MAC_32]

Is it just me and you in 2019?  I thought there was someone else heading to Boston. 

My odds went from slim to (probably) nil with the increase in registrations last week - my registration is in as of 4 hours ago though.

 

[MAC_32]

I am stubborn.

It's a great trait for runners to have.

 

[ChiefD]

That's still one heck of a race @pbm107, though I know it wasn't what you wanted or expected. That weather isn't exactly the best for racing either, so remember that did play a role in how you felt and raced.

 

[SteelCurtain]

My odds went from slim to (probably) nil with the increase in registrations last week - my registration is in as of 4 hours ago though.

What's your buffer? 

BAA is definitely giving signs that the cut off will go up this year.  They didn't do it last year (I was -3:56 then) as I was stalking everything they said about applications, cutoffs, etc.

 

[MAC_32]

What's your buffer? 

BAA is definitely giving signs that the cut off will go up this year.  They didn't do it last year (I was -3:56 then) as I was stalking everything they said about applications, cutoffs, etc.

1:56, I needed week 1 registrations to be down to have a chance.  I'm not sure when the next attempt will be, but I'll be back for another dance sooner rather than later.

 

[gruecd]

BAA is definitely giving signs that the cut off will go up this year.  They didn't do it last year (I was -3:56 then) as I was stalking everything they said about applications, cutoffs, etc.

Yeah, it's obvious that they're REALLY making a point to manage people's expectations...