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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (8 Viewers)
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gianmarco
Footballguy
bushdocda
Footballguy
Have a great race - fueled, rested and neuroprimed (tm) is a great thing. Have fun and hope you get a cooler morn than expected!
jb1020
Footballguy
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
tri-man 47
Footballguy
pbm107
Footballguy
Tear some #### up you glorious *******.Duck through mile 72 in 23:28! Hell yeah!!
Only has like 8000 feet of elevation gain left over the last 29 miles. He’s probably starting to tear up a bit about that.
gianmarco
Footballguy
ChiefD
Footballguy
That’s awesome. Get you some @SFBayDuck!Duck through mile 72 in 23:28! Hell yeah!!
Only has like 8000 feet of elevation gain left over the last 29 miles. He’s probably starting to tear up a bit about that.
ChiefD
Footballguy
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Well. Here goes nothing. 3:45 or bust.
i’ll be thinking about @SFBayDuck and his incredible commitment to his craft.
i’ll be thinking about @gianmarco hurdling over a huge achievement.
i’ll be thinking of all you guys and how much you have given me in motivation, knowledge, and accountability.. i hope to give others some of that today.
i’ll be thinking about @SFBayDuck and his incredible commitment to his craft.
i’ll be thinking about @gianmarco hurdling over a huge achievement.
i’ll be thinking of all you guys and how much you have given me in motivation, knowledge, and accountability.. i hope to give others some of that today.
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
Yeah, I've been checking and haven't seen anything. But, there's a bunch without times well ahead of him and he's not listed with DNF at this point.No update on Duck. The race is at 37 hours of run time right now, so if he’s still out there he’s got an hour left. ####### “live” tracking.
Come on, Duck!!
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Yep, the last finisher listed in the live update was 30 hours...which is 7+ hours ago. Smh.
I think he’s already done, decided to go out on an 8 mile hike this morning with 3200 feet of vert because he’s Duck, didn’t realize Grindstone’s live tracking was trash, and thus hasn’t had time or felt the need to log in to update his brothers.
I think he’s already done, decided to go out on an 8 mile hike this morning with 3200 feet of vert because he’s Duck, didn’t realize Grindstone’s live tracking was trash, and thus hasn’t had time or felt the need to log in to update his brothers.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Thanks fellas, bummed the tracking sucks. Not surprised, pretty old school race.
Net net is that i limped, literally, into the finish in 35:46ish. My feet completely fell apart - blisters, macerated, likely black toenails and possible broken pinky toe. damn near half the course was rocks. Big rocks, small rocks, pointy rocks, round rocks, stable rocks, rocks that move. And those rocks ate me up.
Of course I think this is all true. The last three hours out there I was hallucinating and paranoid. Still not really sure what is real, other than I know I’ve been awake since Friday morning.
More to come, but I’m going to close my eyes for a bit....
Net net is that i limped, literally, into the finish in 35:46ish. My feet completely fell apart - blisters, macerated, likely black toenails and possible broken pinky toe. damn near half the course was rocks. Big rocks, small rocks, pointy rocks, round rocks, stable rocks, rocks that move. And those rocks ate me up.
Of course I think this is all true. The last three hours out there I was hallucinating and paranoid. Still not really sure what is real, other than I know I’ve been awake since Friday morning.
More to come, but I’m going to close my eyes for a bit....
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
You are an animal. Congrats and get some rest. I'll be thinking of you today over the next couple hours for sure.
Zasada
Footballguy
Congrats! Truly amazing, incredible, fantastic -- I can't think of enough adjectives to describe your accomplishment. You did in two nights what I struggle to do in a month.
Can't wait for the race report. In two days after you've had some well-earned sleep.
Zasada
Footballguy
Good luck today @gianmarco!
I'm going to head out in a few minutes for a "long" (ETA: by my standards) run in your honour. Will be sending good running vibes your way. Send some of your heat and humidity to me so that I can shed it for you. -2C here this morning...
I'm going to head out in a few minutes for a "long" (ETA: by my standards) run in your honour. Will be sending good running vibes your way. Send some of your heat and humidity to me so that I can shed it for you. -2C here this morning...
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tri-man 47
Footballguy
Way to go , Duck!!! Just what I was hoping to hear first thing this morning. YOU ROCK!!!
I’ll tell you what’s real...that you’ve got yourself a Hardrock qualifier!
Congrats dude!!
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
On the topic of the size of runners, I’m watching the Chicago Marathon right now and Galen Rupp who is the same height and weight as me (well within a few pounds) looks like a giant out there.
bushdocda
Footballguy
Finally got my stream to work and will prob watch before I head out. Sort of bummer morning here, we’ve decided to sell our beach place to free up $ and be flexible for a potential move this winter. Sold quickly so today will probably be my last long run on these trails for a while.Juxtatarot said:
-OZ-
Footballguy
SFBayDuck said:
simply awesomeI'm sure all of it was hard, but looking at some of those drops - -900ft in mile 92 had to hurt like hell.
You're an inspiration.
Somehow I missed that this was fairly close to Charlottesville. That area is beautiful, I miss it.
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pbm107
Footballguy
@gianmarco 2018 MO' Cowbell:
crossed the Relay Station at 08:22
Course time: 00:52:19
Pace: 08:13 min/mi
Looks like he is holding a steady pace so far. His 5k split was 8:12 pace.
crossed the Relay Station at 08:22
Course time: 00:52:19
Pace: 08:13 min/mi
Looks like he is holding a steady pace so far. His 5k split was 8:12 pace.
pbm107
Footballguy
Congrats @SFBayDuck, it’s amazing how well you write after being awake and running for 36 hours. Really cool that you stopped in here to give us an update before sleeping.
Hope that isn’t the finish line sharts.
Well congrats on the finish, sorry it may not have gone how planned.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Heh, no.Hope that isn’t the finish line sharts.
Well congrats on the finish, sorry it may not have gone how planned.
Just got home and I'll write a report in a bit. Really disappointed. Fitness-wise I felt fantastic the whole race. I used my HR and felt under control for a long time. I still don't exactly know what happened but I hit a MAJOR wall in mile 8. I almost stopped then because I knew this feeling when it happened the last leg of my relay race and I still had 5 miles to go. It was pure hell and it's just left a really bad taste in my mouth. So frustrated right now because I don't really know why it happened. I don't think it was the weather and I thought I was fueled well enough both before and during.
I'll write it up soon and then would love some feedback because I clearly screwed up somewhere. The worst part was knowing that 15k split that was going to come across to whoever followed was going to look bad and there was nothing I could do about it. ####.
Ahh man, sorry to hear that. Sucks to train so hard, be so prepared, and then not be able to pinpoint where things got a bit sideways. Hang in there Gianmarco.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
@gianmarco First thing I noticed is your HR averaged 170 on mile 5. I think that's higher than you wanted and your pace might have been too aggressive under the conditions. Anyway, I think you're probably being too hard on yourself considering this is your first half marathon.
ChiefD
Footballguy
Don't discount the weather in this situation. It can make a HUGE difference, especially if your effort was strong at the start. As someone who has seen the wheels fall off for a fall half, I can totally relate.
See my race report from last October if you want proof.
And Dude, a 1:55 HM is damn good for a first half. Don't beat yourself up. You did GREAT.
ChiefD
Footballguy
Congrats on the quick sale, but sorry for the bittersweet nature of it.Finally got my stream to work and will prob watch before I head out. Sort of bummer morning here, we’ve decided to sell our beach place to free up $ and be flexible for a potential move this winter. Sold quickly so today will probably be my last long run on these trails for a while.
Zasada
Footballguy
Yup, if I run <2hr in November (my first HM) I will be thrilled. Even if I'm crawling, ####ting, and puking as I cross the line.Don't discount the weather in this situation. It can make a HUGE difference, especially if your effort was strong at the start. As someone who has seen the wheels fall off for a fall half, I can totally relate.
See my race report from last October if you want proof.
And Dude, a 1:55 HM is damn good for a first half. Don't beat yourself up. You did GREAT.
Just because you didn't hit all the marks you wanted to, don't fret it. A first HM is an achievement and you should be proud. Your 2nd HM is when you get to nitpick.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Hmm - mixed signals. Gianmarco mentioned that he watched HR and felt under control. But 170 HR at mile 5 would have been setting off alarms. Looking forward to the race report so we can break it down. ?
gianmarco
Footballguy
MO Cowbell Half Marathon Race Report
Well, obviously my first HM and have worked the last 12 weeks preparing. Overall, I think prep has been fine and I felt good heading into this with the only concern being the weather. Since I can't control that, I resigned myself to the fact that I was going to try and run as good and as smart as a race as I could and let the chips fall where they may. Had a little nap yesterday in the afternoon, got to bed around 10:30 after good fueling the last couple days and actually slept really well until about 4am. Probably the best I've slept going into a race.
Got up, went for a quick little 10 min jog, came back in with wife already awake and she slept well also (she went to bed early as she wasn't feeling well last night for some reason). Ate some breakfast, business got done, and we were out the door about 5:40am. It's about a 20 min drive and this is turning into a pretty large race (over 5,000 people total) and they recommended getting there by 6am. We get there, park, hang out in the car and then make our way out. Temp was already 70 degrees to start with a dew point of 68. The announcers prior to the race with all the stuff they talk about mentioned a few times that the weather was going to make things tough and that we all needed to adjust paces and expectations. Internally, I'm thinking my 8:00 pace is almost certainly out the window. But, I wasn't sure how far to drop it. So, I figured I'd start around 8:10-8:15, check HR, and see how things were going after the first 3 miles and then go from there. There's a 1:40 pacers and 1:50 pacer. I figured the 1:50 pacer would eventually be where I ended up but I started ahead of her (who was a smokeshow, I might add). Gun goes and we're off....
Mile 1 -- 8:09 pace, HR 148
Pretty cool to start the race since this is where my 5K was last year with the same start to the course and it brought back some memories from my 1st race. There are a lot of people here and I knew I just needed to sit back and start easy. I was able to find a nice little pocket and got off to a nice start. It was super foggy and this kept fogging up my glasses as well for the first few miles. It was pretty annoying but didn't impact anything else. First mile went by uneventfully and rather quickly it seemed. So far so good.
Mile 2- 8:05 pace, HR 155
Pace quickened just a little. I actually completely missed my paces for my first 2 miles because I was looking at my HR and didn't realize the split was coming both times. But, things still felt good and I was happy with the HR in the mid 150's. Another uneventful mile other than I felt like I was still holding back some.
Mile 3 -- 8:10 pace, HR 164
I saw this split at the end and was happy that I was keeping it where I wanted to start. I still felt really good but I did notice the HR creeping up compared to the previous mile. I wanted to keep it around here but knew that if I wanted to start to push a little, here was a good chance to see how it would go. Nothing much else to report here. It felt like these first 3 miles were a comfortable "jog". I was worried with the weather if I needed to adjust more but I was trusting the HR. So, let's see how things go..
Mile 4 -- 8:01 pace, HR 166
This mile felt really good. Not much change in HR and I was able to run this right around goal pace. I'm thinking "so far so good" and the plan is working. I'm running with a couple people here and I'm letting the pacing just take care of itself.
Mile 5 -- 8:13 pace, HR 170
Well, not quite what I expected but I also remember that this is the part of the race where pace will slow unless effort increases. However, I was noticing the higher HR and started getting a little nervous with that. So I consciously started to back it down and I didn't care what the pace would end up being. I knew with weather adjustment that even an 8:20ish pace for this race would be decent and I was ok with that. So I started watching the HR more closely. Still otherwise pretty uneventful and still otherwise feeling pretty good. I also hit the water station here and walked it to make sure I drank it comfortably. I also took my first chew right before the water station and washed it down.
Mile 6 -- 8:19 pace, HR 168
Pace slowed a little bit more but I was bringing the HR back down into the 160's which was my goal. It was a comfortable pace and I was with a new little group of runners and things felt like they were going smoothly.
Mile 7 -- 8:18 pace, HR 167
Much like the previous mile, this felt like a sustainable pace and HR. I was resigned to the fact that this was what the weather was going to allow me to do and I was fine with it. If I could finish under 8:20 pace, I figured I'd be quite content with that. I also took out my own water bottle here and started hydrating some extra to try and keep up.
Mile 8 -- 8:42 pace, HR 165
And this is where it went wrong. All of a sudden, while I'm still running with this same group, I'm looking at my watch and the pace is now like 8:45. But it sure didn't feel that slow. I knew there was a water station coming up so I stopped again and tried to get started going afterward and, with some solid effort, I couldn't get the pace much lower. What almost felt like a sprint was only 8:20. Something was going very wrong and my legs started to feel really, really heavy. This was not good. Shortly after that is when the legs started burning and I knew this wasn't good at all. I looked at my HR and it was only like 160. That wasn't it. WTF is going on?
I've had fleeting moments in races where I'm like "why am I doing this?" and "it would be so much easier to stop" but I'd push those aside and never really truly considered walking off a course. Today I did. I'm looking at my watch and seeing 7.6 miles completed and that I still had a long ways to go and I could tell this was not going to go well for the rest of the race. I started trying to think of anything else but I got to the end of the mile, saw my split, and my heart and spirit just sank. I knew I was done for.
Mile 9 -- 8:36 pace, HR 164
I did everything I could to try and get things going again. I tried picking the knees up. I tried faster cadence and then slower cadence and just anything else I could to get things back on track. I took another chew. I pushed and pushed and this was the best I could manage. The only saving grace was that there was only 4 miles left. Well, I'm at least going to finish this thing. And then I remember I still have this ####### hill to contend with. ####.
Mile 10 -- 9:14 pace, HR 164
My HR was fine the rest of the race. Even up the hill, it stayed here. Which is why I couldn't figure out what I did wrong (and still can't). The start of this mile has a little hill, then back down, and towards the end is the start of the mile long steady uphill. At this point I'm just doing whatever I can to hang on. My legs are barely doing what I'm asking them. And even though my legs felt like complete death, I otherwise felt fine. It was killing me.
Mile 11 -- 9:17 pace, HR 164
Well, hello hill. It's just a long straightaway uphill and you just see this wave of runners trudging up the hill. The sight of it is just as bad as the hill itself. All things considered, I thought I did pretty well on this hill. I was just praying that once I got to the top and hit the downhill that I could feel rejuvenated and pick up some pace and finish strong. I apparently didn't pray hard enough.
Mile 12 -- 9:00 pace, HR 164
Probably the worst part of the race. Early on, as I'm going down, the 1:50 pace chick passes me. ####. That's not good. And, as much as I would have liked to stay right behind her, and I tried telling my legs to do just that, I couldn't. I simply couldn't go any faster no matter how hard I wanted to. It wasn't about making it hurt. Then, after a little bit more time, I hear "Hi, Honey". My wife that I had left long ago at the start and was going to be happy just matching her 8:34 pace from last year caught up to me. While I had some relief that she didn't die on the course like me, it was also disheartening because here she was going to beat me at another distance race. And she knew I was in trouble because this was a downhill section and I couldn't get going like I usually do. I just smiled and told her to go finish strong. I didn't see her again until after I crossed the finish line :(
Mile 13.1 -- 11:00 pace, HR 162
I was done. I couldn't help it and had to stop and walk. A few times. One mile away from finishing this damn thing and this is what I was reduced to. I wanted to walk off and say "#### it" but I promised I'd cross that line so whenever I could I started back up running. At one point, this guy I had seen earlier on came running by as I was walking and he said "let's go, man, you got half a mile left". I'll be damned if that didn't help get me through the end of the race. I started running, stayed with him the best I could and ran the last half mile. I honestly felt like I couldn't feel my legs at this point. I had nothing left for any kind of kick. I tried and I think the best I could manage was like an 8:30 sprint. Woohoo??
Final chip time -- 1:54:33, 8:45 pace, 352/2824 overall, 40/157 in AG
Disappointed to say the least. Part of it is that I could have started this race at an 8:45 pace and finished a lot more comfortably. While I know the weather was some of a factor (was 75/70 at race end), I don't think that's what did me in. I really don't know where I went wrong. Maybe I didn't do enough of the really longer runs in my training. And I know this is a new distance for me. But man, I wasn't expecting this.
There's no question at this point that I'm simply a better shorter distance runner (5K and 10K) and that my wife owns me at these longer distances. Based on our training, I should have smoked her today. By a lot. And she was fully expecting that. I'm so proud of her as she matched her time from last year in awful conditions. With better weather conditions, I'm positive she can run this at the pace I was hoping to do.
I ate well and rested well this week. I took 3 chews, hydrated at every stop plus the 11 oz bottle I had. And it would be one thing if this had happened to me in mile 11 or mile 12 or whatever, but after just 7.5 miles? Ugh.
Oh well, the one thing I can at least be happy with is staying on that course and finishing. I'll take that as a victory. I'm curious what I otherwise did wrong so feel free to critique wherever.
Wish I could have done better. I thought of this thread often while I was out there. Crossing the 15K mark really bummed me out because I knew it was going to look obvious what was happening.
Well, obviously my first HM and have worked the last 12 weeks preparing. Overall, I think prep has been fine and I felt good heading into this with the only concern being the weather. Since I can't control that, I resigned myself to the fact that I was going to try and run as good and as smart as a race as I could and let the chips fall where they may. Had a little nap yesterday in the afternoon, got to bed around 10:30 after good fueling the last couple days and actually slept really well until about 4am. Probably the best I've slept going into a race.
Got up, went for a quick little 10 min jog, came back in with wife already awake and she slept well also (she went to bed early as she wasn't feeling well last night for some reason). Ate some breakfast, business got done, and we were out the door about 5:40am. It's about a 20 min drive and this is turning into a pretty large race (over 5,000 people total) and they recommended getting there by 6am. We get there, park, hang out in the car and then make our way out. Temp was already 70 degrees to start with a dew point of 68. The announcers prior to the race with all the stuff they talk about mentioned a few times that the weather was going to make things tough and that we all needed to adjust paces and expectations. Internally, I'm thinking my 8:00 pace is almost certainly out the window. But, I wasn't sure how far to drop it. So, I figured I'd start around 8:10-8:15, check HR, and see how things were going after the first 3 miles and then go from there. There's a 1:40 pacers and 1:50 pacer. I figured the 1:50 pacer would eventually be where I ended up but I started ahead of her (who was a smokeshow, I might add). Gun goes and we're off....
Mile 1 -- 8:09 pace, HR 148
Pretty cool to start the race since this is where my 5K was last year with the same start to the course and it brought back some memories from my 1st race. There are a lot of people here and I knew I just needed to sit back and start easy. I was able to find a nice little pocket and got off to a nice start. It was super foggy and this kept fogging up my glasses as well for the first few miles. It was pretty annoying but didn't impact anything else. First mile went by uneventfully and rather quickly it seemed. So far so good.
Mile 2- 8:05 pace, HR 155
Pace quickened just a little. I actually completely missed my paces for my first 2 miles because I was looking at my HR and didn't realize the split was coming both times. But, things still felt good and I was happy with the HR in the mid 150's. Another uneventful mile other than I felt like I was still holding back some.
Mile 3 -- 8:10 pace, HR 164
I saw this split at the end and was happy that I was keeping it where I wanted to start. I still felt really good but I did notice the HR creeping up compared to the previous mile. I wanted to keep it around here but knew that if I wanted to start to push a little, here was a good chance to see how it would go. Nothing much else to report here. It felt like these first 3 miles were a comfortable "jog". I was worried with the weather if I needed to adjust more but I was trusting the HR. So, let's see how things go..
Mile 4 -- 8:01 pace, HR 166
This mile felt really good. Not much change in HR and I was able to run this right around goal pace. I'm thinking "so far so good" and the plan is working. I'm running with a couple people here and I'm letting the pacing just take care of itself.
Mile 5 -- 8:13 pace, HR 170
Well, not quite what I expected but I also remember that this is the part of the race where pace will slow unless effort increases. However, I was noticing the higher HR and started getting a little nervous with that. So I consciously started to back it down and I didn't care what the pace would end up being. I knew with weather adjustment that even an 8:20ish pace for this race would be decent and I was ok with that. So I started watching the HR more closely. Still otherwise pretty uneventful and still otherwise feeling pretty good. I also hit the water station here and walked it to make sure I drank it comfortably. I also took my first chew right before the water station and washed it down.
Mile 6 -- 8:19 pace, HR 168
Pace slowed a little bit more but I was bringing the HR back down into the 160's which was my goal. It was a comfortable pace and I was with a new little group of runners and things felt like they were going smoothly.
Mile 7 -- 8:18 pace, HR 167
Much like the previous mile, this felt like a sustainable pace and HR. I was resigned to the fact that this was what the weather was going to allow me to do and I was fine with it. If I could finish under 8:20 pace, I figured I'd be quite content with that. I also took out my own water bottle here and started hydrating some extra to try and keep up.
Mile 8 -- 8:42 pace, HR 165
And this is where it went wrong. All of a sudden, while I'm still running with this same group, I'm looking at my watch and the pace is now like 8:45. But it sure didn't feel that slow. I knew there was a water station coming up so I stopped again and tried to get started going afterward and, with some solid effort, I couldn't get the pace much lower. What almost felt like a sprint was only 8:20. Something was going very wrong and my legs started to feel really, really heavy. This was not good. Shortly after that is when the legs started burning and I knew this wasn't good at all. I looked at my HR and it was only like 160. That wasn't it. WTF is going on?
I've had fleeting moments in races where I'm like "why am I doing this?" and "it would be so much easier to stop" but I'd push those aside and never really truly considered walking off a course. Today I did. I'm looking at my watch and seeing 7.6 miles completed and that I still had a long ways to go and I could tell this was not going to go well for the rest of the race. I started trying to think of anything else but I got to the end of the mile, saw my split, and my heart and spirit just sank. I knew I was done for.
Mile 9 -- 8:36 pace, HR 164
I did everything I could to try and get things going again. I tried picking the knees up. I tried faster cadence and then slower cadence and just anything else I could to get things back on track. I took another chew. I pushed and pushed and this was the best I could manage. The only saving grace was that there was only 4 miles left. Well, I'm at least going to finish this thing. And then I remember I still have this ####### hill to contend with. ####.
Mile 10 -- 9:14 pace, HR 164
My HR was fine the rest of the race. Even up the hill, it stayed here. Which is why I couldn't figure out what I did wrong (and still can't). The start of this mile has a little hill, then back down, and towards the end is the start of the mile long steady uphill. At this point I'm just doing whatever I can to hang on. My legs are barely doing what I'm asking them. And even though my legs felt like complete death, I otherwise felt fine. It was killing me.
Mile 11 -- 9:17 pace, HR 164
Well, hello hill. It's just a long straightaway uphill and you just see this wave of runners trudging up the hill. The sight of it is just as bad as the hill itself. All things considered, I thought I did pretty well on this hill. I was just praying that once I got to the top and hit the downhill that I could feel rejuvenated and pick up some pace and finish strong. I apparently didn't pray hard enough.
Mile 12 -- 9:00 pace, HR 164
Probably the worst part of the race. Early on, as I'm going down, the 1:50 pace chick passes me. ####. That's not good. And, as much as I would have liked to stay right behind her, and I tried telling my legs to do just that, I couldn't. I simply couldn't go any faster no matter how hard I wanted to. It wasn't about making it hurt. Then, after a little bit more time, I hear "Hi, Honey". My wife that I had left long ago at the start and was going to be happy just matching her 8:34 pace from last year caught up to me. While I had some relief that she didn't die on the course like me, it was also disheartening because here she was going to beat me at another distance race. And she knew I was in trouble because this was a downhill section and I couldn't get going like I usually do. I just smiled and told her to go finish strong. I didn't see her again until after I crossed the finish line :(
Mile 13.1 -- 11:00 pace, HR 162
I was done. I couldn't help it and had to stop and walk. A few times. One mile away from finishing this damn thing and this is what I was reduced to. I wanted to walk off and say "#### it" but I promised I'd cross that line so whenever I could I started back up running. At one point, this guy I had seen earlier on came running by as I was walking and he said "let's go, man, you got half a mile left". I'll be damned if that didn't help get me through the end of the race. I started running, stayed with him the best I could and ran the last half mile. I honestly felt like I couldn't feel my legs at this point. I had nothing left for any kind of kick. I tried and I think the best I could manage was like an 8:30 sprint. Woohoo??
Final chip time -- 1:54:33, 8:45 pace, 352/2824 overall, 40/157 in AG
Disappointed to say the least. Part of it is that I could have started this race at an 8:45 pace and finished a lot more comfortably. While I know the weather was some of a factor (was 75/70 at race end), I don't think that's what did me in. I really don't know where I went wrong. Maybe I didn't do enough of the really longer runs in my training. And I know this is a new distance for me. But man, I wasn't expecting this.
There's no question at this point that I'm simply a better shorter distance runner (5K and 10K) and that my wife owns me at these longer distances. Based on our training, I should have smoked her today. By a lot. And she was fully expecting that. I'm so proud of her as she matched her time from last year in awful conditions. With better weather conditions, I'm positive she can run this at the pace I was hoping to do.
I ate well and rested well this week. I took 3 chews, hydrated at every stop plus the 11 oz bottle I had. And it would be one thing if this had happened to me in mile 11 or mile 12 or whatever, but after just 7.5 miles? Ugh.
Oh well, the one thing I can at least be happy with is staying on that course and finishing. I'll take that as a victory. I'm curious what I otherwise did wrong so feel free to critique wherever.
Wish I could have done better. I thought of this thread often while I was out there. Crossing the 15K mark really bummed me out because I knew it was going to look obvious what was happening.
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gianmarco
Footballguy
Yes, I noticed the HR at that point too and I backed it down. It was the first and only mile to even hit 170 and I noticed. I would hate to think it was too late already at that point.
It didn't feel like a fitness thing at all out there. But maybe I just don't know what I'm feeling enough to be able to tell.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Geez, looks like they are stopping the marathon because of the heat. On the FB page:
Due to increasing heat, the Medical Director has ordered marathon runners to be turned around before crossing the bridge at mile 17 to return to the finish. Runner safety is always our number one priority.
Due to increasing heat, the Medical Director has ordered marathon runners to be turned around before crossing the bridge at mile 17 to return to the finish. Runner safety is always our number one priority.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
WBGT (wet bulb global temperature) > 82 is my guess. That can be a threshold for cancellation in many marathons.
Edit: Here’s an article about how it can work: https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/crime--law/wet-bulb-globe-temperature-why-could-shutdown-the-air-force-marathon/UhvDAPdswaI6LW6f92tJbM/
This is what happened to me when my marathon was cancelled in 2012.
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ChiefD
Footballguy
I stand by my earlier assessment. That weather is no joke. To pull out a 1:54 in those conditions is pretty damn good.
Look - nobody wants to walk in a race. Raise your hands if you’ve done it.
But don’t worry about the build up. You did everything right. Don’t let this discourage you from another half. You will kill the next one under better conditions.
Look - nobody wants to walk in a race. Raise your hands if you’ve done it.
But don’t worry about the build up. You did everything right. Don’t let this discourage you from another half. You will kill the next one under better conditions.
bushdocda
Footballguy
@gianmarco we can all relate and I’m sorry you had a rough outcome. Couple things to consider in conjunction with the heat. You got right into adjusted race pace without much easing into it over the first mile or so. Probably used more energy than you realized and a the couple chews you had weren’t much (I’m assuming cliff bloks or the Gatorade chew things). You did a great job hydrating or it could have been worse. First time at a longer distance is going to be tough to pace and fuel so you have a lot to learn from to apply to next time.
One thing that sticks out here is how quickly you improve/adjust and it’s been awesome to observe. You got a hell of a gut check today and I think the prescription is going to be more miles, more longer runs and more tempo stuff that you enjoy and maybe more fuel on race day for longer stuff. Don’t beat yourself up and use it for motivation.
One thing that sticks out here is how quickly you improve/adjust and it’s been awesome to observe. You got a hell of a gut check today and I think the prescription is going to be more miles, more longer runs and more tempo stuff that you enjoy and maybe more fuel on race day for longer stuff. Don’t beat yourself up and use it for motivation.
Osaurus
Footballguy
My toe was en fuego in my first Half. I learned to tie my shoes like a big boy.I stand by my earlier assessment. That weather is no joke. To pull out a 1:54 in those conditions is pretty damn good.
Look - nobody wants to walk in a race. Raise your hands if you’ve done it.
But don’t worry about the build up. You did everything right. Don’t let this discourage you from another half. You will kill the next one under better conditions.
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tri-man 47
Footballguy
First of all, congrats on gutting out a solid HM in nasty conditions.
1 - The HR increase from mile 2 to 3 ...from 155 to 164 ...was more than it "creeping up." In hindsight, you might have needed to back off as soon as the HR started touching 160. But it's hard for any of us to back off when we know we're capable of doing better and we're not feeling the effects yet.
2 - Mile 8 ...you bonked.
3 - Top 13% or so overall? Top 30% in the AG? Comparatively, that's a great race. While you didn't enjoy the way to got to that point, those are still numbers to be proud of! So a pickle for you:
gianmarco
Footballguy
So, why the bonk?First of all, congrats on gutting out a solid HM in nasty conditions.
1 - The HR increase from mile 2 to 3 ...from 155 to 164 ...was more than it "creeping up." In hindsight, you might have needed to back off as soon as the HR started touching 160. But it's hard for any of us to back off when we know we're capable of doing better and we're not feeling the effects yet.
2 - Mile 8 ...you bonked.
3 - Top 13% or so overall? Top 30% in the AG? Comparatively, that's a great race. While you didn't enjoy the way to got to that point, those are still numbers to be proud of! So a pickle for you:
Too fast to start? Not enough fuel (yes, Cliff Bloks)? Weather? All of it?
Is there any way to know it's going to happen?
The other time it happened to me was in the final leg of a relay so I can see exactly why.
Today seemingly came out of nowhere and relatively "early" in the race.
And, just of note, I don't see HR splits after each mile. Just spot checks as I'm going. I saw the trend was higher, but I was seeing mostly low 160s when I looked in mile 3 and that seemed reasonable at that point. In hindsight, I guess I should have kept it lower for longer.
Ned
Footballguy
We’ve all done it, @gianmarco. Everyone here has underestimated the effects of heat and humidity.
You bonked simply because you ran too fast for the conditions. Your body isn’t just burning energy in your muscles, it’s also working hard to stay cool. The higher the SI goes, the more energy your going to spend staying cool. You have to counter that with slowing down the work rate or else you bonk.
I look at it this way. Do you know how a car radiator works? Your skin is the radiator. The hotter you get, the more coolant (blood) is sent to the surface to get cooled off. If your body is sending more blood to the surface to get cooled what’s that leave for your muscles doing all the hard work?
You burnt the candle at both ends today and ran outta gas. No worries - just learn from it.
Congrats on not throwing in the towel when things didn’t meet your expectations. Not everyone can say they’re mentally strong enough to soldier through like that.
You bonked simply because you ran too fast for the conditions. Your body isn’t just burning energy in your muscles, it’s also working hard to stay cool. The higher the SI goes, the more energy your going to spend staying cool. You have to counter that with slowing down the work rate or else you bonk.
I look at it this way. Do you know how a car radiator works? Your skin is the radiator. The hotter you get, the more coolant (blood) is sent to the surface to get cooled off. If your body is sending more blood to the surface to get cooled what’s that leave for your muscles doing all the hard work?
You burnt the candle at both ends today and ran outta gas. No worries - just learn from it.
Congrats on not throwing in the towel when things didn’t meet your expectations. Not everyone can say they’re mentally strong enough to soldier through like that.
