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The Iguana
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Zasada
Footballguy
This.5k
That would be like signing up for Kindergarten after getting your masters for someone with your drive and motivation. Just sign up for a half and be done with it.
5k is a whole different animal. You mostly have two types of people doing 5ks, those who just want to get out and do something physical while socializing and those who want to compete and enjoy agony. For those in the middle, the hassle of signing up, getting there and back, etc doesn't offer much reward for the investment IMO.
That said, a mock 5k isn't going to test you like a real one. Not many people are going to do a training run where you are on the verge of puking your guts out for 20 minutes give a take a few minutes. The motivation of having other people to race is huge in boosting performance.
5Ks feel like a waste of time for me. Which is why I ran to my 5K on Sunday. Just to get some distance in and make the day count for something.
My first race ever was a HM. Loved it. Next one after that was a full marathon. And then I finally did a 10K (winter race, just for training). Haven't bothered with an official/timed 5K yet, and I'm not sure I will. Just not worth the hassle.
So @AAABatteries, go sign up for a HM. Like @The Iguana, my first one was great to have something to train for. And thus I have tried to keep races on the calendar throughout the year to keep that carrot in front of me. I'm not sure what I'd do now if I didn't have a race a few months down the road to train for. Probably sit on the couch and eat Doritos. The Jalapeno Cheddar kind.
gianmarco
Footballguy
5k
That would be like signing up for Kindergarten after getting your masters for someone with your drive and motivation. Just sign up for a half and be done with it.
5k is a whole different animal. You mostly have two types of people doing 5ks, those who just want to get out and do something physical while socializing and those who want to compete and enjoy agony. For those in the middle, the hassle of signing up, getting there and back, etc doesn't offer much reward for the investment IMO.
That said, a mock 5k isn't going to test you like a real one. Not many people are going to do a training run where you are on the verge of puking your guts out for 20 minutes give a take a few minutes. The motivation of having other people to race is huge in boosting performance.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
I knew about the 50K race, so no misunderstanding there.
So you’ll pop over to G’town for a quick high five? Awesome!! We can pick a spot, such as the edge of the bridge before the turn onto M or along that park or by the corner of 34th. They’re making special shirts for us (nothing new on race day ...), and I’ll let you know the night before how I’ll be decked out. I’m excited!
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I almost feel offended by the 5K bashing. If you truly want to test yourself, your limits and compare yourself to others, there is no better distance.
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The Iguana
Footballguy
There is no distance that it is a waste to train for. They all offer different challenges. Disparaging a shorter distance does a total disservice to anyone trying to get into the sport, IMO. 5k's may not be your thing but it doesn't diminish their importance or relevance in any manner. The idea that some shorter distance is a joke is kind of insulting, IMO.
@AAABatteries has shown the ability to go a further distance but doesn't mean you have to race at a further distance if you want to start with something shorter. Again, depends on what you want to accomplish.
@AAABatteries has shown the ability to go a further distance but doesn't mean you have to race at a further distance if you want to start with something shorter. Again, depends on what you want to accomplish.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
@IvanKaramazov, I’d report that to the local/county police. They’re probably (should be) aware of who’s out and about that early. But this brings back memories of Sherry Arnold, who disappeared (and was later found murdered) during a run in Montana back in 2012. Gotta be safe.
@AAABatteries, I say sign up for a race and get the feel of a competitive event ...even if it’s a 5K
@AAABatteries, I say sign up for a race and get the feel of a competitive event ...even if it’s a 5K
The Iguana
Footballguy
And, you guys really are some kind of pusher/drug dealer. I haven't even run a marathon and am not even close to committing to running a 2nd one after the first but I still just spent time googling the BQ requirements - ETA - which I have never even cared/thought about until posted above.
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AAABatteries
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Yeah - you guys have me thinking now. I KNOW I can run a HM distance but not very fast and while my goal isn’t anything other than finish and see where I’m at I don’t think doing a HM will “help” me at this point. Maybe in the spring. I like the idea of a 5k but with several of you saying don’t bother with it maybe I should do a 10k instead. That’s something I feel I could run and not feel like I’m out of my element and would give me a baseline of sorts.
Really I don’t think I asked my question very well or maybe I don’t understand things well enough to ask it. I want to have a little more structure around my running and do some races but I have no clue what would be a good option. I don’t need couch to 5k but I’m not sure I’m ready for a plan like you guys talk about for a half or full. I wouldn’t even know what time to target.
I guess if you asked me I would say a goal I would have is to run a 10k in under an hour. Is something like that a good starting point and enough to develop a plan?
Osaurus
Footballguy
My goals for my HM in February are to tie my shoes like a big boy, not hobble the last 4 miles, not lose a toenail, and finish under my first time which was awful (for me). When I’m in my groove, I like a good 10k and 15k race. Especially when the 15k is a split 10k and 5k. Don’t overthink this stuff. Enjoy yourself and the challenge that awaits you (whatever it may be)
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The Iguana
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I popped into this thread because an old friend/former coworker and I had gotten together for dinner and drinks back in something like April of 2018. At dinner and after a couple of drinks, we were recalling a time that we talked about doing a HM years ago but ended up not doing it. That led to a discussion of doing one together in November of 2018. That did not lead to me running or training much after dinner but it was on my mind a lot. About August I called him and asked if we were going to do this thing or not. He said something like "I'm not ready for a HM but maybe we could do the 10k". I looked it up and they didn't have a 10K. It was 5k, HM, or marathon. We decided it "must be the HM, then".
I ended up with like 6 weeks to get ready and rolled my ankle pretty good when I started. But I was determined to just do the HM. Originally I dreamed of doing it under 2 hours, then I hurt my ankle and only cared about finishing. I had kind of 3 levels of goals as I went into that race in November - 1 finish. 2 do it in under 2:30. 3 Try to do it under 2:15. I ended up running it in just over 2:10.
After that I've been pretty much hooked, running a few 5ks with a couple friends over the winter just to have something to keep me moving. Then a couple of HMs in the spring to have something to motivate me during the early part of the year along with another 5k I did shortly after that to see what I could accomplish in it. Then I eventually committed to doing the full marathon in November with my HM race this past Saturday.
So, you really are further along in this journey than when I committed to doing the HM with my buddy. At this point I totally think it is just about you picking a race and a reasonable goal for yourself and then start working toward it. 5K, 10K, HM, whatever. Pick something that sounds fun, commit to it and get started planning for it!
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MAC_32
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It's a different kind of difficult, but I think 5K's and 10K's are substantially more challenging than 10 milers and half's.
Osaurus
Footballguy
The traffic alone is a considerable difference
It's a different kind of difficult, but I think 5K's and 10K's are substantially more challenging than 10 milers and half's.
The Iguana
Footballguy
@AAABatteries - 10K under an hour is a great place to start. Part of my training for the HM last November and continued running into this year was running about a 10K "course" that I have near my house. Doing it in under an hour was definitely something I worked hard toward. That is actually the original story of this thread - someone talking with a friend about going from couch to 10k and doing it in under an hour. It's a pretty interesting read to go back to the origin of this topic, IMO.
MAC_32
Footballguy
We are, but we aren't just sticking the needle in your veins to get our rocks off. You doing what you are now given your experience, if this thing sticks then you'll be there within a few years. It's just a matter of if you want to put the work in to get there. And you aren't going to have any idea if that's something you actually want to do until at least sometime after November 9th.And, you guys really are some kind of pusher/drug dealer. I haven't even run a marathon and am not even close to committing to running a 2nd one after the first but I still just spent time googling the BQ requirements - ETA - which I have never even cared/thought about until posted above.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Honestly, do both. Train for a 10K and use a 5K midway-ish as a barometer with both how things are going and potentially re-aligning your 10K goals.
bushdocda
Footballguy
I can shoot for the Key Park so I am on the right/inside as/when you turn onto M - I think I can go under the Key bridge to get there. That would give you a couple blocks to manage the approach to 2nd water stop.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
https://youtu.be/Khys7LfwT8c?t=290I can shoot for the Key Park so I am on the right/inside as/when you turn onto M - I think I can go under the Key bridge to get there. That would give you a couple blocks to manage the approach to 2nd water stop.
bushdocda
Footballguy
Next step is print/put on office wall.And, you guys really are some kind of pusher/drug dealer. I haven't even run a marathon and am not even close to committing to running a 2nd one after the first but I still just spent time googling the BQ requirements - ETA - which I have never even cared/thought about until posted above.
My comment was more on the later. Based on AAAs posts in various threads I see him as the type of person whose training habits and interests would be better suited to something longer. He’s as the most likely to be the next Iguna talent wise.
I agree. That said you and Jux and several others here are actually competing at these events. For us lower tier runners competing against ourselves there’s much less satisfaction in making the time investment in an event. I used to get jacked about competing in 20-30 min time trials on the bike. No way I would have invested the 4 hours of travel time, set up, and warm up for a 20 min event just to say I did it unless it was a causal thing for me
It's a different kind of difficult, but I think 5K's and 10K's are substantially more challenging than 10 milers and half's.
What’s different this time? You usually set the bar for training junkies.
Another question I’ve been curious about. What do you think your best possible marathon time is. Not this cycle, your life time best.
Also for you and Juxt, how do you motivate yourself after cracking 3 hrs? Does dropping your time from 2:58 to 2:55 give you the same mental accomplishment as knocking 15 secs off you 5k time?
gruecd
Footballguy
Great questions. And ones that I'm happy to answer because I don't really feel like working right now...
Nothing really different. I'm always kinda sick of training by this point. I honestly can't remember the last time I was looking forward to going out for a run. Which tells me that it's time. Plus I'm sorta itching to race after going and watching Lakefront this past weekend.
Regarding my lifetime best, I honestly don't think I've got much more improvement left. Maybe a couple of minutes (2:56-2:57), which I'm hoping to handle in Indy. Which brings me to your last question...
Really not sure what to do in terms of goals once I knock off those last couple of minutes. Breaking 3 hours was certainly the big accomplishment, and nothing else really compares for me. I certainly want to keep running marathons, but I know how important it is during that last 10K to have that "why."
Zasada
Footballguy
I didn't mean to come across as bashing 5Ks (but I can definitely see how I did).
The 5K I ran Sunday was definitely a challenge. I haven't pegged my HR at 160 for that long in months. It was 22 minutes of suffering (as @BassNBrew noted).
But also like BnB noted, all the race-associated hassles for 22 minutes of running doesn't fit with my desire or approach. It absolutely does for some. And I was probably projecting, but I felt like @AAABatteries would feel more achievement by running a HM than a 5K. At my skill level this time last year, just finishing a HM was a big challenge/appeal for me. Finishing a 5K would have been no big deal. Running a 30-minute 5K would have been an achievement for someone of my fitness level back then but it just didn't work for a goal with someone who had just got off the couch like I did.
Probably not making any sense here.
Maybe the best way to put it is that to a newish runner "just finishing a HM" feels like more of an achievement than "just finishing a 5K". For the 5K to feel like an achievement, you have to peg a time to it which is an additional qualifier.
At the end of the day, I hold a WR 5K holder in equal stead as a WR marathon holder. Both require incredible fitness and dedication, but just different kinds.
The 5K I ran Sunday was definitely a challenge. I haven't pegged my HR at 160 for that long in months. It was 22 minutes of suffering (as @BassNBrew noted).
But also like BnB noted, all the race-associated hassles for 22 minutes of running doesn't fit with my desire or approach. It absolutely does for some. And I was probably projecting, but I felt like @AAABatteries would feel more achievement by running a HM than a 5K. At my skill level this time last year, just finishing a HM was a big challenge/appeal for me. Finishing a 5K would have been no big deal. Running a 30-minute 5K would have been an achievement for someone of my fitness level back then but it just didn't work for a goal with someone who had just got off the couch like I did.
Probably not making any sense here.
Maybe the best way to put it is that to a newish runner "just finishing a HM" feels like more of an achievement than "just finishing a 5K". For the 5K to feel like an achievement, you have to peg a time to it which is an additional qualifier.
At the end of the day, I hold a WR 5K holder in equal stead as a WR marathon holder. Both require incredible fitness and dedication, but just different kinds.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
It's all good. I support peace and harmony in this thread. I understand the point you're making.
The first sentence, though, was what I objected to. My running history is a bit different that most, I guess. I qualified for Boston before running my first 5K. I had a McMillan calculator based time goal for that first one and ended up walking off the course at 2.2 miles. I dedicated the following summer to try to achieve that 5K goal and failed over and over and over before finally getting it. I was very proud after that. One of the my proudest moments in running.
But, again, I understand the point you're making. No hard feelings.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
First question: It always seems like everything resets and I'm only as good as my last race. I'm motivated by a fear of failure.BassNBrew said:
Second question: That's about the same.
Aaa dropped 70 ponds in a year and a half and transformed his diet. After nailing that he started running recent and iirc he already ran 13 miles for giggles. He now doing 25000 steps a day plus a gazillion push ups and core work. Even started that plan a week early when he was on vacation. The guy is a live billboard for achievement. He should probably train for a 5k and half at the same timeJuxtatarot said:
The Iguana
Footballguy
I waiver. Some days I want it here tomorrow to get on with it. Other days I wish I had a couple more months to "get ready". At this point I don't think I'll ever be completely "ready" so I'm just embracing the plan for the next few weeks until I have to actually get out there. After Saturday, I'm mostly pumped to do it but still not quite in a hurry yet.gruecd said:
The Iguana
Footballguy
I was thinking about this while just out for a run over lunch. Realized that I think you had all the best intentions in here, as everyone always does in here. It's easy to "read into" the statement something you didn't intend. Still considering myself a "rookie" in also this distance running thing, it probably came off different than you meant but reading it as a rookie, I can totally see someone coming in that is new and being "turned away" if they read it anywhere close to the way a couple of us saw it when posted.BassNBrew said:
Sorry for a bit of an overreaction.
The Iguana
Footballguy
Might be different for me since I ran cross country in high school so I'm competing against 18 year old me to see how close I can get to it, but I love running in a 5k from time to time. Plan to run in the "winter XC series" I ran in last year with a friend of mine again this year. Actually working on making sure we have 5+ to run with and field a team. First one is 1 week after the marathon so not sure how much I'll race that verses just "recover run" it or something but definitely looking forward to running them.BassNBrew said:
gianmarco
Footballguy
I'll chime in on this 5K discussion.
I've mentioned before that long distance running just isn't for me. I've been told multiple times that it eventually will be. That the more I do, the more I'll enjoy it. And that very well may be, but 2 years later, the idea of running a marathon still doesn't interest me much and even the idea of a HM doesn't excite me. I at least know I can run the HM distance now. But to race it and "suffer" for almost 2 hours? Just has never really appealed to me. Even with my relative "failure" when I tried my one and only HM last year, I haven't had a burning desire to get out and fix that like I initially did after the race. This 15K coming up is bad enough.
5K? Yeah, I'd really like to get out there and get close to the 22 minute mark. I don't mind the intense suffering that that race involves and far prefer that to the slow burn that the longer distances are. Being able to run as close to the red line and run a good 5K really appeals to me. My very first race was a 5K and I still remember it and love how I did, running a near perfect race with 0 experience. I don't know if I'll ever be able to replicate that but it's what I'd like to try for.
I truly think there are some people that are better short distance racers and vice versa. Some people thrive on it. You could argue "well, why train for a 100m dash in track and field when it's over in just over 10 seconds". But, that's what some love and what they enjoy training for.
Things may eventually change, but the 5k-10k distance is ideal for me and what I will likely focus on racing in the future. I'm going to run another HM at some point and maybe someday a full, but I've still yet to enjoy a run over 8 miles in length. So all the time putting into training for that distance plus the race day time for 5K? Doesn't bother me at all.
I've mentioned before that long distance running just isn't for me. I've been told multiple times that it eventually will be. That the more I do, the more I'll enjoy it. And that very well may be, but 2 years later, the idea of running a marathon still doesn't interest me much and even the idea of a HM doesn't excite me. I at least know I can run the HM distance now. But to race it and "suffer" for almost 2 hours? Just has never really appealed to me. Even with my relative "failure" when I tried my one and only HM last year, I haven't had a burning desire to get out and fix that like I initially did after the race. This 15K coming up is bad enough.
5K? Yeah, I'd really like to get out there and get close to the 22 minute mark. I don't mind the intense suffering that that race involves and far prefer that to the slow burn that the longer distances are. Being able to run as close to the red line and run a good 5K really appeals to me. My very first race was a 5K and I still remember it and love how I did, running a near perfect race with 0 experience. I don't know if I'll ever be able to replicate that but it's what I'd like to try for.
I truly think there are some people that are better short distance racers and vice versa. Some people thrive on it. You could argue "well, why train for a 100m dash in track and field when it's over in just over 10 seconds". But, that's what some love and what they enjoy training for.
Things may eventually change, but the 5k-10k distance is ideal for me and what I will likely focus on racing in the future. I'm going to run another HM at some point and maybe someday a full, but I've still yet to enjoy a run over 8 miles in length. So all the time putting into training for that distance plus the race day time for 5K? Doesn't bother me at all.
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The Iguana
Footballguy
Having known you for a while now @gianmarco, I still just don't get how you aren't more gripped by at least the HM distance to run. Based on some of your posting in here and other stuff I've seen from you over the years, I would swear you would be at least as obsessed, if not more so, with hitting certain times than I am. And I'm sure you have the ability. Everyone is different but sure would like to have the chance to be "competing" with you in these rather than you being more an observer in the process.
The Iguana
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
Not much to really compete with here. You'd smoke any time I'd be able to put up. Hell, even @ChiefD is putting up times I would struggle with.
gruecd
Footballguy
The Iguana
Footballguy
That's what your mouth says but your runs I've seen say you could do it if you had the motivation/desire to try. i.e. if you liked it more.
Zasada
Footballguy
Same here.
For the Calgary marathon, I spent ~5 miles repeating to myself "walking is failure". Over and over. Almost every step I had to choose between running and failure. And 7,000 choices later, I managed to get close enough to the finish that I could visualize success instead of fearing failure.
And that was for a ~4 hour marathon! Can't even imagine what ~3 hours would take.
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The Iguana
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"relative failure". You did a 1:55 HM the only time you tried it and that's a failure? come on, man. You may not have finished the way you wanted, but you kind of crushed that thing up to a point and you were solid through 12 miles. 13 and .1 looked like you hit a wall. If/when you decide to do another one, there's zero reason you couldn't crush those things. None. Just a matter of desire/motivation. I respect it isn't something you want to do at this time but to say you "can't" is a joke.
That 100m dash training sounds like more fun than a 5k. If you want to realize your 5k potential you're running almost as many miles as a half marathoner plus doing a buttload more intervals. It's like the worst of both worlds.
The_Man
Footballguy
I ran cross country in high school and hated 5Ks so much that it put me off of running for decades.
I thought that every workout had to be a killer and that running meant putting yourself in extreme agony as soon as possible and then seeing how long you could sustain it. Because I did all my workouts so hard, I honestly think the longest run of my life was 6 miles - I simply couldn't run any longer than that at my level of exertion.
It wasn't until turning 40 and getting into this thread that I began to run longer. And then longer and longer. I finally began to appreciate the great feeling of a long run at a comfortable pace. And then grue and a couple of other old-timers suckered me into a HM and then a full. So happy to be getting back into it again.
But you know in Jaws when Quint is telling the story of being on the Indianapolis when it sank, and the horror of how he almost died, and he says "I'll never put on a life jacket again"? That's how I feel about running a 5K.
I thought that every workout had to be a killer and that running meant putting yourself in extreme agony as soon as possible and then seeing how long you could sustain it. Because I did all my workouts so hard, I honestly think the longest run of my life was 6 miles - I simply couldn't run any longer than that at my level of exertion.
It wasn't until turning 40 and getting into this thread that I began to run longer. And then longer and longer. I finally began to appreciate the great feeling of a long run at a comfortable pace. And then grue and a couple of other old-timers suckered me into a HM and then a full. So happy to be getting back into it again.
But you know in Jaws when Quint is telling the story of being on the Indianapolis when it sank, and the horror of how he almost died, and he says "I'll never put on a life jacket again"? That's how I feel about running a 5K.
ChiefD
Footballguy
ChiefD
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
I joke, but that race report (along with your marathon just before that) are 2 of my favorite things to read here. Loved what you did there, no shtick, and not surprised at all what you were able to accomplish.
Run ultras. You only have to run three days a week, get to cross train, walking is no big deal if you feel the need, you get pizza and beer stops, and keeping your HR low is one of the main goals.
