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I'm finding it hard to get longer mileage in with the higher cadences.  I've only hit 4 miles as my max before I feel like I need to stop.  I know that I am working different muscles doing it this way (after my 4 mile race, calves, quads, hamstrings hurt, but joints felt good) but it feels like I am starting over from the beginning again.  But, I guess that is what the winter should be for - get my #### right, activate the correct muscles, don't get injured, and be ready to get things rolling.
You did two races within 12 days and are also implementing a new technique. I wouldn't sweat it. Take it easy this week (maybe 30 mins Tu, 40 W, then 30 F) then go out for something confidence building on the north side of an hour Saturday. Add on something easy Sunday then you have a weekly mileage increase, less concerns about going long, and get to next Monday feeling fresh.

 
I've been dealing with some discomfort as well over the last couple weeks.  I don't think it's running-related but both racing and subsequent non-running hasn't helped.

Started with our trip to Florida a couple weeks ago.  Developed left quad trigger points out of nowhere (plane ride) that started causing knee pain.  Did everything I could to stretch it out while there without much success.  Running while there didn't hurt at all, it was more uncomfortable when not doing much and trying to bend my left leg.  After getting back home, I finally got it stretched out with the help of a little Flexiril, but then my right hamstring has been tight causing right lower back pain (probably compensating for the left leg the previous few days).  No pain or discomfort while running, but I did do the 15K in the midst of this with some maniac yelling at me the whole race plus the mini Turkey Trot a few days later.

Yesterday was the first morning I woke up without any back pain/hammy tightness but carrying boxes of decorations and setting up the Christmas tree didn't help matters and it was all barking again last night while at work.

I haven't had this kind of tightness/back pain since before I started running when this was a common thing for me.  Over the last 2+ years, with stretching and running, this has been non-existent.  It's awful and it hurts just moving around and it's killing my motivation to get out and run as well even though, if anything, it makes it feel better. 

Anyway, enough complaining.  Last couple things to get done in the new home this week and then I can really start to get back out there (weather permitting).  It's been a busy last few months and the end is in sight.  Knowing I have two bigger races coming up requiring the miles to be put in helps, but moreso just ready to get consistent miles in regardless as it's been a while.  Going to get back to MAF for at least the next month or two until I start doing a little more specific training for the HM.

As @ChiefD just said:  getting old sucks. 
Welcome to my world. I was just thinking this morning about how I haven’t had one single day in about 2 years that I haven’t been in pain. I know I’m the young buck around here, but I swear I’m trapped in an 80 year-old body. Hope you feel better, GB.

(My first time using the term GB. How’d I do?)

 
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Forget if you’ve run some of the Rehoboth course @pbm107, threw some observations together...I’ll shoot you a message but it’s looking like we’ll arrive after your dinner reservation.  

Weather looking clear as of now with start around 33* and a NNW wind.  I am no wind expert but that seems preferable to anything coming off the ocean.  I’d guess it’s at our back first ~half and more into us coming back to Rehoboth.

Miles 1-3 From start at bandstand by boardwalk, out through main drag and right out residential street to Ocean Drive

4 -5 crushed gravel starts here, go around Gordons Pond, likely the most wind exposed and if coming off the sea this is where we eat it  

6 – 8 Henlopen Park, on a flat course one of 2 mention-worthy elevation increases will be in mile 6 short uphill section, I think the gravel ends just prior to here and paved trail starts, mile 7 looks like it might include a hill/deadend type water stop

9 – 11 out and back from the park down Cape Henlopen Drive, around Dairy Queen and back to the park

12 – 17 veer right on different trail in the park with the other noteworthy short uphill to the Lookout Tower, gravel picks up again a bit thereafter and around Gordons Pond again back to Ocean Drive

18 - 19 residential streets with a few turns before hitting gravel trail

20 – 24 out and back on Junction and Breakwater trail, this can be rutty and I expect it might be a bit crowded depending on how things spread out 

25-26.2 back to streets and some turns on the way to finish

 
I'm finding it hard to get longer mileage in with the higher cadences.  I've only hit 4 miles as my max before I feel like I need to stop.  I know that I am working different muscles doing it this way (after my 4 mile race, calves, quads, hamstrings hurt, but joints felt good) but it feels like I am starting over from the beginning again.  But, I guess that is what the winter should be for - get my #### right, activate the correct muscles, don't get injured, and be ready to get things rolling.
Yup!

 
Weather looking clear as of now with start around 33* and a NNW wind.  I am no wind expert but that seems preferable to anything coming off the ocean.  I’d guess it’s at our back first ~half and more into us coming back to Rehoboth.
I like the temperature forecast but not the 13-15 mph wind. It looks like miles 20-22 could be a challenge running into the wind and mentally running away from the finish.

 
I like the temperature forecast but not the 13-15 mph wind. It looks like miles 20-22 could be a challenge running into the wind and mentally running away from the finish.
I have a completely unfounded theory that it’s less windy earlier in the day but yeah out and back there is tough mentally and physically. I hope to be in a place where I can be killin’ not being killed. 

Relative to marine corp, philly and Richmond we are looking pretty good so yeah! 

 
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Read that.  Only thing that's unclear is how fast to do the weekly LR.  That's one of the reasons I typically like having a coach...
Try going faster than you're comfortable (MP plus 15-20 seconds) then see if you can lift the lid on your goal pace during the week. 

 
I got to say my knees still hurt I'm not injured but man they are just achy
It gets better... I promise. But it takes a while. Oh, and the achy doesn't really go away - but mine did go away from the knees and more into muscles eventually - for the most part. There's always some achy in my joints, knees and hips mostly. But as you get in better shape it gets better.

Also, I've said this about a 1000 times in here I think, but I definitely had to start focusing on stretching/maintenance a lot more now than I ever used to do so when younger... couch stretch, pigeon stretch, butterfly stretch, etc... 

 
As the new year approaches, I have been thinking some about how I want to approach stuff. As it is likely (painfully?) obvious to some, I haven't really followed a specific plan so far. Mostly just tried to get in miles with some occasional speed work, etc. Going to talk to the coach here some about coming up with a plan - actually talked a little to him but more a generic conversation - i.e. spending some time going to the gym at work for some of the fitness/crossfit-like classes for some addition strength work and alternate workouts and the like. But need to figure out what my goals are going to be for the next year and how to go about achieving them.

Probably need to figure out the goals first - last year's goals were a bit nebulous since I really was just starting this whole journey. With a full year of work out there, I might want to think about having a more concrete plan or something. Despite my propensity to ignore solid advice, I'd still love to here any that you might have. I do listen sometimes!

 
It gets better... I promise. But it takes a while. Oh, and the achy doesn't really go away - but mine did go away from the knees and more into muscles eventually - for the most part. There's always some achy in my joints, knees and hips mostly. But as you get in better shape it gets better.

Also, I've said this about a 1000 times in here I think, but I definitely had to start focusing on stretching/maintenance a lot more now than I ever used to do so when younger... couch stretch, pigeon stretch, butterfly stretch, etc... 
Oh I have quad/back/hip soreness/stiffness but my knees are more "painful" in general they throb constantly, where the other stuff is "use" based

 
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@gruecd, just to put some context to the below:

Try going faster than you're comfortable (MP plus 15-20 seconds) then see if you can lift the lid on your goal pace during the week. 
Assume all speed workouts are 5K pace give or take

W1 - 3 at 'goal pace' (6:24), 12 long (7:17), 6x800 

W2 - 4 at 'goal pace' (6:27), 13 long (7:23), 5x1K

W3 - 12 long (7:09), 4x1200, no pace run

W4 - The Grue hill/mile repeat workout, 11 long (7:21), no pace run 

W5 - 5 at 'goal pace' (6:19), 14 long (7:20), no speed workout

W6 - 12 long (7:02), no speed nor pace workouts

W7 - 15 long (7:29), 6xmile, no pace run

W8 - 5 at 'goal pace' (6:16), 12 long (6:47!!!), no speed workout

W9 - 10K race

W10 - 4x1.5 mile, 14 long (6:58), no pace run

W11 - 7 pace (6:11!!!), 3x2 mile, 16 long (6:56)

W12 - 2x5K, higdon tempo in place of HMP, 14 long (6:48!!!) - last scheduled speed workout

W13 - 7 pace (6:03!!!), 17 long (6:47!!!)

W14 - 8+ pace (6:02!!!), 13 long (6:59), 17:18 5K

W15 - taper

W16 - race prep

^^^Clearly, that's not Hanson's. There's actually even more quality up there I didn't cite. But my point is its philosophies are sprinkled throughout. The reason I'm sharing is to not settle on goal paces, especially early in the cycle. Sure, weather conditions played a role in the improved performance, but if I'm not pushing myself to my limits weeks 1-8 then I'm not in position to accomplish what I did weeks 10-14. Do more than you're comfortable doing the first half. Reset. Then see if you can take it up a notch. If your body screams uncle then you went down swinging.

I don't think it will, but you have to get out of your comfort zone to find out. Go #### some #### up  :football:

 
Oh I have quad/back/hip soreness/stiffness but my knees are more "painful" in general they throb constantly, where the other stuff is "use" based
I had the same problem when I started. As I lost some weight (and/or moved it around), my knees stopped giving me as many problems. Took some time but it's loads better today that when I started. 

 
:kicksrock:  wife called to tell me that while I'm in Memphis running the marathon (bib #30107), she'll be taking our daughter to LA, for some St Jude's fundraiser hosted by Brooks Brothers. Seems this is a pretty big deal with more than 20 celebrities.  

They would pay for both parents to fly and participate. But I'll be a little busy. 

Kind of tempted to skip out on the race. But won't.

 
Read that.  Only thing that's unclear is how fast to do the weekly LR.  That's one of the reasons I typically like having a coach...
Hanson long run is 30-45 seconds slower than goal pace.  You are used to a lot of variety in your training, Hanson is simpler in that regard.  

 
:kicksrock:  wife called to tell me that while I'm in Memphis running the marathon (bib #30107), she'll be taking our daughter to LA, for some St Jude's fundraiser hosted by Brooks Brothers. Seems this is a pretty big deal with more than 20 celebrities.  

They would pay for both parents to fly and participate. But I'll be a little busy. 

Kind of tempted to skip out on the race. But won't.
I'd be very tempted to skip out.

 
:kicksrock:  wife called to tell me that while I'm in Memphis running the marathon (bib #30107), she'll be taking our daughter to LA, for some St Jude's fundraiser hosted by Brooks Brothers. Seems this is a pretty big deal with more than 20 celebrities.  

They would pay for both parents to fly and participate. But I'll be a little busy. 

Kind of tempted to skip out on the race. But won't.
As I'm sure you're already aware this is December 14.

 
Just had some gold nuggets mined out of my quads at PT and then the strap stretch for the hip flexors that had me seeing spots.  And my day is looking up at 4pm eastern. 

 
:kicksrock:  wife called to tell me that while I'm in Memphis running the marathon (bib #30107), she'll be taking our daughter to LA, for some St Jude's fundraiser hosted by Brooks Brothers. Seems this is a pretty big deal with more than 20 celebrities.  

They would pay for both parents to fly and participate. But I'll be a little busy. 

Kind of tempted to skip out on the race. But won't.
Screw that race. 

 
Was just twittering and saw Nike cyber sale. Sure looks like it works for 25% off vaporfly 4%s using code ‘cyber’. Not working on next%. 

Carry on. 

50% at Reebok too, gotta try the float rides. Sorry late to the cyber today. 

 
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If I wasn't raising funds it would be fairly easy to skip
Ah, that adds an important perspective ...particularly that you're not just being selfish as a runner.

The glass-half full is that your wife and daughter will have a special "girls-only" weekend together, and there's a lot to be said for that.

 
Did a workout at lunch that had my legs working a bit - wall balls, box jumps, rowing as well as some dumbbell snatches and clean and jerks. Then did a somewhat brisk run this evening. Really felt strong out there... 

Was originally going to go farther, slower but right after starting, my headlamp died and it starting a slow, steady drizzle. Between water spots on my glasses and the dark, I was semi blind. 

Felt fun/ good to go fast but my heart rate was elevated more than I wish. 

 
:kicksrock:  wife called to tell me that while I'm in Memphis running the marathon (bib #30107), she'll be taking our daughter to LA, for some St Jude's fundraiser hosted by Brooks Brothers. Seems this is a pretty big deal with more than 20 celebrities.  

They would pay for both parents to fly and participate. But I'll be a little busy. 

Kind of tempted to skip out on the race. But won't.
Well, it really depends on what celebrities we are talking about here. If we are talking Halle Berry or Carrie Underwood or someone like that...well....you start doing push ups and sit ups NOW so you can be the best you in LA.

If its someone like Kathy Bates or Roseanne or someone like that...well....3:25:29.

 
Ah, that adds an important perspective ...particularly that you're not just being selfish as a runner.

The glass-half full is that your wife and daughter will have a special "girls-only" weekend together, and there's a lot to be said for that.
They're looking forward to it. 

Well, it really depends on what celebrities we are talking about here. If we are talking Halle Berry or Carrie Underwood or someone like that...well....you start doing push ups and sit ups NOW so you can be the best you in LA.

If its someone like Kathy Bates or Roseanne or someone like that...well....3:25:29.
With my luck it will be Kathy Bates and Luke Bryan. (He's the only one on my wife's "list") 

Of course as I won't go, it will be Jennifer Anniston and Lindsey Sterling (my list)

 
Did a workout at lunch that had my legs working a bit - wall balls, box jumps, rowing as well as some dumbbell snatches and clean and jerks. Then did a somewhat brisk run this evening. Really felt strong out there... 

Was originally going to go farther, slower but right after starting, my headlamp died and it starting a slow, steady drizzle. Between water spots on my glasses and the dark, I was semi blind. 

Felt fun/ good to go fast but my heart rate was elevated more than I wish. 
I’ve been (kinda) debating joining a CF gym this winter...

 
I’ve been (kinda) debating joining a CF gym this winter...
We have one right here at work. Last time I got into a shape other than "round" was doing that. I've been going out there 2 or 3 times a week for the last several weeks and plan to continue to do so for the next couple months at least. I find it a fun way to mix in some weights and to get a varied cardio workout in. 

I kind of forgot how much the workouts suck, however - every workout has been pretty much kicking my butt. Since most of the work outs are either "as many reps as possible" (AMRAP) in a given time period or "Do X rounds for time", they always suck! As you get stronger/better, you just do more reps and/or do them faster and I always hurt at the end!

They actually do a really good job here of offering classes designed for different purposes - i.e. more strength work vs more cardio, etc. I've been doing a mix of the 2. I want to add back in more weight work but it's fun to do some different stuff. We'll see how it all plays out but it's been good for me so far, I think. Here was yesterday's workout:

3 rounds doing AMRAP in 1 minute of each of the following: 1) wall balls; 2) alternating one arm dumbbell snatches; 3) box jumps; 4) alternating one arm dumbbell clean and jerks; 5) row for calories; 6) rest. Ended up being about 60 total wall balls, and 45 to 50 of each of the others. 

Big thing for me has been "easing into it". After not doing the workout for a while, I sometimes over do them and hurt bad enough to not go back. 

 
The one thing that's interesting, however, is where my HR is as compared to how I feel in these things. By the end of the workout yesterday, I was sucking wind far more than I was at the end of my "brisk" run last night. My HR at the end of the CF workout was like 130 and I was dying. At the end of the run it was like 160 and I was feeling pretty good. Makes it hard to figure out what a "sustainable rate" is during the CF workouts. 

 
The one thing that's interesting, however, is where my HR is as compared to how I feel in these things. By the end of the workout yesterday, I was sucking wind far more than I was at the end of my "brisk" run last night. My HR at the end of the CF workout was like 130 and I was dying. At the end of the run it was like 160 and I was feeling pretty good. Makes it hard to figure out what a "sustainable rate" is during the CF workouts. 
Adaptation. Running has become the new normal. Since strength training took a back seat it seems harder even though it wasn't apparent in the data. Stick with it and you will re-adapt. Totally normal too. As is the DOMS you talked about in November. I can already feel my own version of DOMS coming on. I had to skip last week's strength training session because of my ###, so yesterday was the first one in 13 days. I only did 2 sets of everything, but it's been 13 days. ####'s gonna hurt a little bit.

 
Asking "for a friend"

How bad an idea is it to run a 5k / 10k double race 7 days before your "A" HM? 
Depends on your friend.

If your friend is Halle Berry, you run the double and do it in the most bad-### way possible.

If your friend is Kathy Bates, you stay home and hide under the covers.

 
Depends on your friend.

If your friend is Halle Berry, you run the double and do it in the most bad-### way possible.

If your friend is Kathy Bates, you stay home and hide under the covers.
You seem to have a fascination with Ms Bates...

 
Asking "for a friend"

How bad an idea is it to run a 5k / 10k double race 7 days before your "A" HM? 
It's a bad idea.  I ran a 5K one week before the MCM, and while I told myself to take it somewhat easy, my legs weren't acclimated to 5K pacing.  While the marathon went well (PR), my legs were quite a mess afterwards, although they seem to be approaching normal again.  I believe the 5K did subtle damage (micro-tears), and therefore was not a smart move.  A 10K might be feasible, as the pace is slower ...you could do the 10K at something slightly better than marathon pace.  The 5K/10K double seems like a particularly bad idea as you'll do some damage in the 5K and then magnify that with a subsequent 10K.  

 
FarmGuys -- ran by a gigantic pile of root vegetables today, but don't know what kind.  If they were potatoes, they were the biggest I've ever seen (bigger than my fist for sure, probably even bigger than @Otis' as well).  Any experts able to ID (photos on Strava)?

 
FarmGuys -- ran by a gigantic pile of root vegetables today, but don't know what kind.  If they were potatoes, they were the biggest I've ever seen (bigger than my fist for sure, probably even bigger than @Otis' as well).  Any experts able to ID (photos on Strava)?
Kind of looks like a rutabaga or turnip but not sure.

 

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