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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (4 Viewers)

Ok...what in the mother cluck is going on?!

I came in to post about slicing my hand up pretty good doing intervals yesterday (I was going so fast, the air just cameopened up my palm)...and I see this gru-sanity?!

Somebody explain.

 
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Ok...what in the mother cluck is going on?!

I came in to post about slicing my hand up pretty good doing intervals yesterday (I was going so fast, the air just cameopened up my palm)...and I see this gru-sanity?!

Somebody explain.
Grue and Steel Curtain are doing a thing - starting around suppertime yesterday, they're running 4 miles every 4 hours for 48 hours.

eta: Because Grue didn't have anything else to keep him motivated right now.

 
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So the Broad street 10 mile run was scheduled for tomorrow morning.  I'm thinking of doing a 10 mile run anyways.  Since the run was cancelled, I've stopped my training.  I still generally run twice.a week (one run around 2-3 miles and the other around 4-5 miles).  Also, I am doing some form of exercise every day to keep healthy (generally 30-60 minutes of HIIT/Body combat when I'm not running).  I did complete a 10K a few weeks ago at a 9:30 minute pace but my knee was really hurting for a few days afterwards (I think I need to slow it down to maybe 10 minute pace).  My original goal was to target a 10 minute pace for the Broad street.  Good idea or bad idea to even attempt this tomorrow?  I could always try and stop if my body disagrees with me.  
:2cents:  - my rule of thumb is that if you can do it in a week you can do it in a day. Consider putting in a few more miles per week if your goal is not suffering the days after the 10mi run

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I started a training plan on Zwift 7 weeks ago (Build me up) which starts with an FTP test then tailors a 12 week program around that. It’s been great and I definitely have workouts where my cardio is willing but the legs just aren’t there. It’s starting to catch up but some of those VO2 rides are still killer.
That’s perfect, have a lot of friends doing the same baselines even those who have been biking a long time.

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Yes. 

It started when I was researching my 5mi swim. I’m like, how do I know if I can swim 5mi?

Then when it came to my IM, all the plans have you converging on that. So now it’s my go to :)
You swam 5m?!

Somebody gave you just a little bit of wrong info about IMs gb

 
Man, while those guys have been doing all that running I've been drinking beer and getting ready to grill some burgers and deep fry some  chicken.

Their day sounds fun too!

 
Man, while those guys have been doing all that running I've been drinking beer and getting ready to grill some burgers and deep fry some  chicken.

Their day sounds fun too!
Just had some BBQ. To wash down the 2x frozen burritos I had pre run for lunch.

 
I did the trifecta of @ChiefD events for the day... ran 13.1 miles, worked on reorganizing my garage, and grilled steaks and drank beer. 

For bonus points, I bought 2 kayaks also...
This is outstanding work. 
Great role model.  
Chief would truly be pained by my garage. 

 
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:2cents:  - my rule of thumb is that if you can do it in a week you can do it in a day. Consider putting in a few more miles per week if your goal is not suffering the days after the 10mi run

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Thanks.  I really want to attempt this tomorrow.  I’m going to start slow and feel it out.  Mentally I will be fine and I’m not worried about the endurance factor.  I’m worried about the knee.  If I start to feel any pain, I’m stopping immediately.  I don’t need to push things since it’s not the actual race.

 
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This is outstanding work. 
Great role model.  
Chief would truly be pained by my garage. 
No way am I showing chief some of my tools - I'm using a pick that tends to slide down the handle (been this way for 5 years), but I haven't bothered to fix it so I just use extra care.  Also, both of my main digging shovels leave a lot to be desired.

 
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No way am I showing chief some of my tools - I'm using a pick that tends to slide down the handle (been this way for 5 years), but I haven't bothered to fix it so I just use extra care.  Also, both of my main digging shovels leave a lot to be desired.
Slides down toward your hands?  Buncha loops of duct tape would take care of that, I would think.

Started off on my run today and passed a dumpster in front of a house.  A big assortment of stuff in there ...including a shovel sticking up from the trash.  I wept.

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Grue and Steel Curtain both through leg 7!  Grue heads out for leg 8 any minute.  Steel Curtain started an hour later.  Legs 9 and 10 will be a real challenge as nighttime runs ...then legs 11 and 12 might be tough physically and mentally after two choppy nights.  You got this, crazy guys, you got this!

 
Slides down toward your hands?  Buncha loops of duct tape would take care of that, I would think.

Started off on my run today and passed a dumpster in front of a house.  A big assortment of stuff in there ...including a shovel sticking up from the trash.  I wept.

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Grue and Steel Curtain both through leg 7!  Grue heads out for leg 8 any minute.  Steel Curtain started an hour later.  Legs 9 and 10 will be a real challenge as nighttime runs ...then legs 11 and 12 might be tough physically and mentally after two choppy nights.  You got this, crazy guys, you got this!
Thanks.  Grinding away.  We are doing them at the exact same moment.

Time zone makes it look like I’m doing mine an hour later.

for example, we both just finished slot 8.  Mine started at 10 ET and @gruecd started at 9 CT.

 
Slides down toward your hands?  Buncha loops of duct tape would take care of that, I would think.
Yeah duct tape would probably work.  I've put zero effort into fixing it because it's not an issue when swinging it since inertia forces the pick to the end of the handle.  You just have to be careful not to hold it completely upright when carrying it or getting ready to swing.  But in writing about it, it does seem pretty dumb that I haven't bothered to remedy the problem.  I'll put it on my list for tomorrow.

 
Last run in the dark completed.  I’m exhausted.  Lack of sleep is catching up to me now.  Need to sleep before i need to be up again in less than 3 hours.

Only 3 runs left.  36 miles completed.  12 to go.

 
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Ugh just attempted 10 miles and only got 3 miles in and my knee started hurting.  It stinks because I felt completely fine from an endurance stand point but there is no way I could push 7 miles without doing some serious damage to my knee.  At least now I know that I will have to start up an intense training program before I attempt this again.

ETA - also it seems like this happens to me every time around when I reach the 3-4 mile marker.  And it’s alternating knees.  When I completed the 10K, I was in pain but legged out the final 2 miles.  I think I’ll be consulting with a doctor/ physical therapist? before I do this again.

 
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I did the trifecta of @ChiefD events for the day... ran 13.1 miles, worked on reorganizing my garage, and grilled steaks and drank beer. 

For bonus points, I bought 2 kayaks also...
Winning.

I still need to buy my 2nd. I've been watching FB market place but might just just hit a sporting goods store or Walmart.

 
Feeling really good so far (knock on wood) with half of the challenge completed:  

5pm - 8:10/mile, 125 AHR

9pm - 7:47/mile, 138 AHR

1am - 8:00/mile, 133 AHR

5am - 8:01/mile, 133 AHR

9am - 7:38/mile, 141 AHR

1pm - 7:47/mile, 134 AHR

Like I told my buddy, it's all downhill from here, counting down from 6.  Hoping to maybe snag a quick nap here this afternoon, then hopefully a couple of legit 2-hour sleep sessions after my 9pm and 1am runs.
Update with two legs to go:

5pm - 7:46/mile, 133 AHR

9pm - 7:50/mile, 129 AHR

1am - 7:58/mile, 125 AHR

5am - 7:50/mile, 125 AHR

Kinda weird.  I don't feel like I'm working any harder than what the low HRs suggest, and yet I don't feel like I can go a ton faster.  Is this kinda like what @JAA was talking about yesterday?

 
Ugh just attempted 10 miles and only got 3 miles in and my knee started hurting.  It stinks because I felt completely fine from an endurance stand point but there is no way I could push 7 miles without doing some serious damage to my knee.  At least now I know that I will have to start up an intense training program before I attempt this again.
Good for you for giving it a shot.  It's really all about consistency.

 
Update with two legs to go:

5pm - 7:46/mile, 133 AHR

9pm - 7:50/mile, 129 AHR

1am - 7:58/mile, 125 AHR

5am - 7:50/mile, 125 AHR

Kinda weird.  I don't feel like I'm working any harder than what the low HRs suggest, and yet I don't feel like I can go a ton faster.  Is this kinda like what @JAA was talking about yesterday?
Those paces after all those runs is nothing short of incredible.

 
Well, I'm struggling here a bit and need some advice/feedback on what I need to do going forward.

My fitness hasn't returned anywhere near as quickly as I would have hoped.  Granted, I've taken it somewhat slowly coming back to be safe, but still.  I'll get to my run later today in a bit, but if I do my planned 7-8 mile run this morning, I'll be at 25 for this week which was my goal. 

Last night's run was awful, both physically and mentally.  Worst run I've had in a long, long, long time.  I went out for 5 miles in the evening and it was a struggle from start to finish.  My legs don't feel quite right.  I'm nervous with every step I'm taking to make sure I'm landing right which makes it worse.  My ankle is starting to ache a little for trying to overcorrect a bit.  It's just not good.  On top of that, my HR has been so high lately and last night's heat and humidity (for the first time yet this year) made it all the worse.  I wanted to turn around and go home so many times.  I just feel like I'm still a bit away from having any level of fitness and even still not even approaching where I was.  I should be starting week 7 of 18 for marathon training and I can try and start it this week but I'm not sure how it's going to go. 

For the first time ever I thought of bailing on this marathon.  I just don't see how I'm going to be ready realistically.  Which, as I'm thinking of all this, is just making everything during the run much worse mentally.  I have so little interest to get out now because it just doesn't feel good when I do and don't feel like I'm making progress.  My HR was stupid high for such a slow pace.

I don't mind the mental grind of getting back into a groove if I think things will end up working out.   I have so much motivation to do so.  My wife, obviously.  Our first marathon, doing it together.  Her going for a BQ.  She's killing her training right now.  @JShare87 coming out there like he said he would.  I mean, I want to get out there and do this so badly.  But I'm starting to wonder if it's not the right idea.  I see 3 options and I'm not sure what to do:

1)  Suck it up, start my week 7 training, work as hard as I can, and toe the line with the idea of doing what I planned on doing.  My fitness will catch up soon and it'll work out.

2)  Keep running, but take it slowly, get into training when you can, and adjust your goal and just work on trying to complete the marathon but at a slower than intended pace.

3)  It's not a good idea and it's time to cut my losses and forget J&J.  Get back out there slowly and reset and pick a new first marathon like Monumental in November when I'm adequately trained.

It's a cooler, less humid morning today and I was going to go out for 8 miles.  I haven't run over 6 miles in almost 2 months.  What was turning into a regular/easy/enjoyable distance feels like a daunting task this morning.  If today doesn't go well, it's not going to be good for me moving forward.  Sigh......

ETA -- This is even more depressing.  1 1/2 months ago, same route.  :(

8:58 pace, HR 143

10:29 pace, HR 151

 
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option 2.

you've got some miles stored in your legs... get your head/body straight- take it slow, while listening to your body. don't hurt yourself, but keep putting miles on... with the goal of running a marathon to do it, not to BMF it.

I think I covered this here in the thread as it happened back in 2007, and I know I've shared the story- but I say this as a way of offering motivation... the one non-Tri marathon I did was 2 years after my last tri. I had done ZERO training until a few months before the race in those years. floppinho had just been born during my training- was doing little/bad sleep and had a ton of work. ended up doing basically 2 runs per week. 1x tempo/pacing run midweek 3-6m. 1 long run on the weekend per whatever training schedule I was using.

granted- I had a lot of miles banked from a few years of doing tris, but it was a couple years old... and I had forgotten the pincode. had a couple tri buddies who were doing it too, and we were all looking to do about the same pace- this helped. I absolutely under-trained. the race- especially the last 10k, after the three of us had split up and after I had seen wife and floppinho-baby, sucked. but I did it. you can do it too- especially being waaaaaaaaay smarter with your training than I was.

I'll also offer (again, old repeated story) that at a point in Feb/March for my July IM, my feet were literally breaking apart from the training and I had to decide if I was going to scuttle it, find a later IM to push for after shutting down and hoping things healed, or just push through it without any goals other than finishing (and proposing to the wife). I picked the latter. still sucked and hurt. and like all of you- I'm competitive, and hate not being the guy passing people. training slowly those months sucked. finishing 1-2 hours slower than I had planned sucked. but I did it. and I wouldn't trade it for anything. and I think the wife said yes.

 
Well, I'm struggling here a bit and need some advice/feedback on what I need to do going forward.

My fitness hasn't returned anywhere near as quickly as I would have hoped.  Granted, I've taken it somewhat slowly coming back to be safe, but still.  I'll get to my run later today in a bit, but if I do my planned 7-8 mile run this morning, I'll be at 25 for this week which was my goal. 

Last night's run was awful, both physically and mentally.  Worst run I've had in a long, long, long time.  I went out for 5 miles in the evening and it was a struggle from start to finish.  My legs don't feel quite right.  I'm nervous with every step I'm taking to make sure I'm landing right which makes it worse.  My ankle is starting to ache a little for trying to overcorrect a bit.  It's just not good.  On top of that, my HR has been so high lately and last night's heat and humidity (for the first time yet this year) made it all the worse.  I wanted to turn around and go home so many times.  I just feel like I'm still a bit away from having any level of fitness and even still not even approaching where I was.  I should be starting week 7 of 18 for marathon training and I can try and start it this week but I'm not sure how it's going to go. 

For the first time ever I thought of bailing on this marathon.  I just don't see how I'm going to be ready realistically.  Which, as I'm thinking of all this, is just making everything during the run much worse mentally.  I have so little interest to get out now because it just doesn't feel good when I do and don't feel like I'm making progress.  My HR was stupid high for such a slow pace.

I don't mind the mental grind of getting back into a groove if I think things will end up working out.   I have so much motivation to do so.  My wife, obviously.  Our first marathon, doing it together.  Her going for a BQ.  She's killing her training right now.  @JShare87 coming out there like he said he would.  I mean, I want to get out there and do this so badly.  But I'm starting to wonder if it's not the right idea.  I see 3 options and I'm not sure what to do:

1)  Suck it up, start my week 7 training, work as hard as I can, and toe the line with the idea of doing what I planned on doing.  My fitness will catch up soon and it'll work out.

2)  Keep running, but take it slowly, get into training when you can, and adjust your goal and just work on trying to complete the marathon but at a slower than intended pace.

3)  It's not a good idea and it's time to cut my losses and forget J&J.  Get back out there slowly and reset and pick a new first marathon like Monumental in November when I'm adequately trained.

It's a cooler, less humid morning today and I was going to go out for 8 miles.  I haven't run over 6 miles in almost 2 months.  What was turning into a regular/easy/enjoyable distance feels like a daunting task this morning.  If today doesn't go well, it's not going to be good for me moving forward.  Sigh......

ETA -- This is even more depressing.  1 1/2 months ago, same route.  :(

8:58 pace, HR 143

10:29 pace, HR 151
I vote for number 2.

 
You've ran 29 miles in the last 5 weeks. I think it's a great thing that you identified the source of the problem, but the problem also developed immediately after you raced two times in less than a week, which was some of the first something of substance you had done since...I don't remember when.

I'd focus on (easy running!) raw mileage between now and the mini taper for the 10K with plans on using that race to springboard you into the SoS workouts the plan calls for. Too much, too hard, too soon and you're gonna end up right back where you were at the end of March.
@gianmarco

I get it, you are starting behind. You think if you get further behind then it's going to snow ball. But I think you'll surprise yourself. That's why you did all of that volume from Dec-Feb. It'll be a frustrating month, but if you manage this healthy your fitness will bounce back - probably very suddenly.
It's only been 2 weeks.  Your fitness was not going to bounce back in that timeframe.

 
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Those paces after all those runs is nothing short of incredible.
To be fair, these are all just warmups for our heroes.  Pretty cool to see them do it

Since starting this on Friday at 5pm, I’ve had three solid 2-hour sleeps and a couple 20-minute naps.
And that's the reason it's a challenge. The mileage is challenging but far less than the lack of sleep imo. Especially as you could just walk the 4 miles.  

How are your last runs feeling? Could be decent training for an ultra.

I vote for number 2.
Always go #2

 
To be fair, these are all just warmups for our heroes.  Pretty cool to see them do it

And that's the reason it's a challenge. The mileage is challenging but far less than the lack of sleep imo. Especially as you could just walk the 4 miles.  

How are your last runs feeling? Could be decent training for an ultra.

Always go #2
@ChiefD

 

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