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Realizing I’m getting old but at least I think staying active helps. Was legit drunk for the first time in a while last night. A couple beers, a few Solo cups of st Elmo’s whiskey, and too much fruit soaked in alcohol. We held a “soak your own” party last night at our neighborhood pool where 4 families brought different fruits - watermelon soaked in tequila and triple sec, strawberries soaked in pineapple vodka, or bourbon or coconut rum, pineapple soaked in bourbon, pineapple soaked in coconut rum, Granny Smith apples soaked in salted caramel whiskey, perhaps others I don’t remember. That fruit sneaks up on you. Thankfully this morning was only in the 70s with 99% humidity (dropped to like 92%). sucked it up and got the ten in, SLOWLY. I feel like a lightweight but at least I wasn’t hungover. Much. 

still waiting for my damn bike to get finished! I don’t like going a month without getting on the bike 
 

 
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It was hot and a little painful out there tonight, but I'm feeling a little better each week. Still a metric crap-ton of work to do but it's kind of fun doing it in somewhat brutal conditions. Thinking about @gruecdliterally melting out there helps but is counteracted by the fact that @Juxtatarotwould run 2 min/mile faster with HR of 83.

 
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Keep that humidity south and west. Tonight's 90 wasn't pleasant, but with high 50's dew points I haven't been too impacted yet because I've not tried anything beyond 45 mins (yet).

 
MAC_32 said:
Keep that humidity south and west. Tonight's 90 wasn't pleasant, but with high 50's dew points I haven't been too impacted yet because I've not tried anything beyond 45 mins (yet).
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Glad to see you getting back out there.

On the bolded, it really is crazy how much more hot running sucks after ~45 minutes.  I've tried saturating my hair before the run, but I'm not convinced it actually pushes the pain point back at all, as it will typically dry after about ~25 minutes, and it almost seems like it might make it worse by delaying the "sweat like a pig" reflex.  If I ever do serious training in the summer, I'm going to have to drag myself kicking and screaming to doing the super early morning runs some of the other BMFs in here do.  As it is currently, I take the sleep and the pain.

 
Also, just an update for the crew as I haven't been posting much lately.  Finished Jan-Jun with 668 miles, although that's a little misleading as almost 50% of that was over two months during the HM buildup.  I've been taking it pretty easy over the summer - 3 runs a week, with the aforementioned sweaty 1hr+ long run on the weekends.  Not sure what the plan is, other than the usual holiday 5Ks later in the year. 

On the good side, I have been sticking to my lifting plan, which has added a few yards onto my golf shots if nothing else.  Not sure if it will make me any faster, but I doubt it will make me slower as I've still got a largely T-Rex build going on.

 
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On the bolded, it really is crazy how much more hot running sucks after ~45 minutes.  I've tried saturating my hair before the run, but I'm not convinced it actually pushes the pain point back at all, as it will typically dry after about ~25 minutes, and it almost seems like it might make it worse by delaying the "sweat like a pig" reflex.  If I ever do serious training in the summer, I'm going to have to drag myself kicking and screaming to doing the super early morning runs some of the other BMFs in here do.  As it is currently, I take the sleep and the pain.
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Yup, the suck curve goes exponential for me after about 90 minutes.  And it's all HR-driven.

In the spring, I would go on a long run, and my HR would either stay flat for most of it, or climb only slightly.  Now with the temps and humidity at crazy levels, my HR is on a steady climb, and around 90 minutes or so I'm in territory that I normally only see during races (despite the easy pace).  

The last three Saturdays, I have had to walk/run the last 4 miles or so just from everything shutting down.  At the same route and distance I was running in the spring (30 seconds/mile faster) and feeling great.

This, in spite of drinking a pint of water pre-run and a litre of water during the run (lately I've been using my trail/hydration vest on this run).  I get home, drink another pint, and through the day am drinking like crazy and still not getting fully rehydrated.  Garmin estimates I sweat 2.2L on Saturday, and I'll actually take the over on that.

One final observation:  My routine is a little different for my midweek 13-milers.  I do two loops, and at the start of the loop I drop an insulated 500mL water bottle, full of ice water.  After I finish the first loop, I walk a little bit and drink the entire thing.  Then start running again.  If you look at my HR trend, the Y-intercept changes as a result of the cooling drink.  The slope of increase largely remains the same, but the ice water appears to cool me and rehydrate me enough to shift my HR curve down 5-10 BPM.  Other runs where I just take a walk break doesn't drive this result.  Within minutes, my HR is right back to where it was before I took the walk break.

 
Dr_Zaius said:
Glad to see you getting back out there.

On the bolded, it really is crazy how much more hot running sucks after ~45 minutes.  I've tried saturating my hair before the run, but I'm not convinced it actually pushes the pain point back at all, as it will typically dry after about ~25 minutes, and it almost seems like it might make it worse by delaying the "sweat like a pig" reflex.  If I ever do serious training in the summer, I'm going to have to drag myself kicking and screaming to doing the super early morning runs some of the other BMFs in here do.  As it is currently, I take the sleep and the pain.
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I still chose sleep and pain. When I had long runs scheduled on hot days last summer I'd do 30-45 min laps. I'd setup everything I needed in the garage and treated it like a mini aid station.

I had a soaked cloth sitting in the fridge, my hydroflash filled with ice water, an extra bottle of water in the fridge, a sandwich bag filled with pretzels and chews, and as many honey jam sammy's as I needed that day. The moment I got back I'd pause my watch and place the soaked cloth over my head/neck. Round 1 I'd pour cold water into my bone dry hand held and grab a few ice cubes, leaving mainly just ice in the hydroflask. I'd mow down a handful of pretzels and a couple chews and chase with the water in the fridge, grab the sammy, then head on my way. Round 2 is mostly the same but I'd put the now mostly ice into the handheld then top off with the extra water bottle. I got in-and-out in about a minute each time, maybe a little less.

I don't think I exceeded 2 hours on any of these runs last year, but I did these in some pretty disgusting conditions (see the link - and iirc it was high 80's by the end) and the heat generally didn't get to me until the final 10 mins of lap 2. Lap 3 was always difficult no matter the length, but this method would buy me at least a few mins of tolerance before needing to channel DBAP mode. I tapped out a mile or so less than planned most times, but in those conditions - good enough.

 
-OZ- said:
Anyone have an opinion on the vivoactive 4? 
https://smile.amazon.com/Garmin-Vívoactive-Smartwatch-Features-Monitoring/dp/B07W7W8WBH
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Yeah, I'm looking right now at these for a possible purchase....

Garmin 945

Garmin Fenix 6

Garmin 735XT

Garmin Vivoactive 4

I welcome any positive or negative feedback about any of these watches.

My watch is okay but has started to get a bit flukey.  I'd had for it stop working the morning of a race.  Its 6-7 years old, so its been a good run (pun intended).

 
Zasada said:
One final observation:  My routine is a little different for my midweek 13-milers.  I do two loops, and at the start of the loop I drop an insulated 500mL water bottle, full of ice water.  After I finish the first loop, I walk a little bit and drink the entire thing.  Then start running again.  If you look at my HR trend, the Y-intercept changes as a result of the cooling drink.  The slope of increase largely remains the same, but the ice water appears to cool me and rehydrate me enough to shift my HR curve down 5-10 BPM.  Other runs where I just take a walk break doesn't drive this result.  Within minutes, my HR is right back to where it was before I took the walk break.
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That's interesting and I may have to try that.  I can definitely confirm that a short walk break doesn't seem to do anything to bring down a heat-induced elevated heart rate.  Sprinklers seem to help a bit, but there are rarely any around that I can utilize on my typical run, plus you can't really plan on them being there.

 
SteelCurtain said:
My concern with this one would be the 6 hour battery life in GPS mode.  And I assume that number will go down over time.  I'm not sure your triathlon goals or any ultra aspirations, but that lower number could be problematic.  I think I'm taking this one off the list for that very reason.
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Thanks. That’s a very good point. While I hope my halves stay below 6, that’s not a guarantee and I’d be rather bummed if my watch stopped before my ride was over either in training or during a full. Planning to do a full in august. 2026. 

 
So my bike is still in the shop. I’m their 1 in the queue. But they can’t find the right headset :rant:  I might need to decide whether to continue to ride. :(  or just keep an eye on Facebook marketplace, or check with my tri club and see if anyone is selling or loading wheels. 

 
Good news - Had an awesome 9-mile run in the warm rain the other night.

Bad news - Rain destroyed my "water resistant" headphones.

Since the old (good) version of the BackBeat FIT is impossible to find anymore, and since I don't want to potentially sweat my AirPods to death, last night I ordered a pair of Jaybird Vista 2 earbuds to pick up this morning.  They're on sale for $100 (from $150), and they're rated IP68 waterproof, which is literally as good as you can get.  Plus if they're good enough for @SFBayDuck, then they're good enough for this sweat monster.

 
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gruecd said:
Good news - Had an awesome 9-mile run in the warm rain the other night.

Bad news - Rain destroyed my "water resistant" headphones.

Since the old (good) version of the BackBeat FIT is impossible to find anymore, and since I don't want to potentially sweat my AirPods to death, last night I ordered a pair of Jaybird Vista 2 earbuds to pick up this morning.  They're on sale for $100 (from $150), and they're rated IP68 waterproof, which is literally as good as you can get.  Plus if they're good enough for @SFBayDuck, then they're good enough for this sweat monster.
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Probably too late for this.  I'm a fan of the BackBeat FIT as well.  But even more of a fan now of the Aftershokz Open Run.  I can even swim with them on. 30% off at Amazon today.

 
gruecd said:
Good news - Had an awesome 9-mile run in the warm rain the other night.

Bad news - Rain destroyed my "water resistant" headphones.

Since the old (good) version of the BackBeat FIT is impossible to find anymore, and since I don't want to potentially sweat my AirPods to death, last night I ordered a pair of Jaybird Vista 2 earbuds to pick up this morning.  They're on sale for $100 (from $150), and they're rated IP68 waterproof, which is literally as good as you can get.  Plus if they're good enough for @SFBayDuck, then they're good enough for this sweat monster.
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if it isn't too late, cancel that order and get a pair of Aftershokz!

 
Zasada said:
Probably too late for this.  I'm a fan of the BackBeat FIT as well.  But even more of a fan now of the Aftershokz Open Run.  I can even swim with them on. 30% off at Amazon today.
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:goodposting:

I have the Aeropex. Not sure if they are swimmable or not but they have been fine in the rain and my massive amounts of sweat many, many times and I love the open ear design instead of having earbuds in. They rock in the office and out on the streets to still hear ambient sounds as well as whatever I'm playing through them. 

 
gruecd said:
Probably true, but it has nothing to do with headphones.
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I have no comment about anything other than the headphones. But I have always hated earbuds. And then once I accepted that I had issues with my ears and got hearing aids, earbuds were really not an option. The bone conduction shokz are awesome on a lot of levels for me. 

That said, I believe the newer model hearing aids have even better bluetooth capabilities and eventually I may be able to simply use those whenever it becomes time to upgrade/get a new pair. But I will have to check on water resistance on them as well to make sure they can withstand the the massive levels of sweat I produce when running.

 
Zasada said:
Probably too late for this.  I'm a fan of the BackBeat FIT as well.  But even more of a fan now of the Aftershokz Open Run.  I can even swim with them on. 30% off at Amazon today.
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OK, should've listened to you in the first place and picked up a pair of these, too, while they were on sale.  I hate the Jaybirds, so I'm going to return them today and pick up a pair of the Shokx to try (at full price :thumbdown: ).  

Do you experience any of the buzzing/tickling at full volume that some people talk about?

 
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gruecd said:
OK, should've listened to you in the first place and picked up a pair of these, too, while they were on sale.  I hate the Jaybirds, so I'm going to return them today and pick up a pair of the Shokx to try (at full price :thumbdown: ).  

Do you experience any of the buzzing/tickling at full volume that some people talk about?
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Nope, haven't noticed that.  While the sound quality isn't as good as the BackBeat Fit, it's good enough.  I still use the BackBeat Fit on cooler days up north, but on hotter days, when I'm sweating a lot, sometimes sweat would get into my ear and that makes the Fit feel really awkward as it squishes around in there with the sweat.  No issue with the Shokx in that regard, since they don't sit in my ear at all.

No solution is perfect, but given all the options I have tried, the Shokx are what I would reach for out of them all.  The BackBeat Fit a very close second.

 
Zasada said:
Nope, haven't noticed that.  While the sound quality isn't as good as the BackBeat Fit, it's good enough.  I still use the BackBeat Fit on cooler days up north, but on hotter days, when I'm sweating a lot, sometimes sweat would get into my ear and that makes the Fit feel really awkward as it squishes around in there with the sweat.  No issue with the Shokx in that regard, since they don't sit in my ear at all.

No solution is perfect, but given all the options I have tried, the Shokx are what I would reach for out of them all.  The BackBeat Fit a very close second.
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The whole "bone conduction" thing sounds weird to me.  Isn't the sound "different?"

 
gruecd said:
The whole "bone conduction" thing sounds weird to me.  Isn't the sound "different?"
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I'm sure if you're an audiophile, you would notice the difference.  But I honestly forget sometimes that they're not sitting in my ears.  And sometimes I forget which headphones I have on my head (the BackBeat Fit or the Shokz).  That's how close they are.

ETA:  My wife, who loves her AirPods, uses Shokz when she's in the pool, and says they're fine.  

 
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Zasada said:
I'm sure if you're an audiophile, you would notice the difference.  But I honestly forget sometimes that they're not sitting in my ears.  And sometimes I forget which headphones I have on my head (the BackBeat Fit or the Shokz).  That's how close they are.

ETA:  My wife, who loves her AirPods, uses Shokz when she's in the pool, and says they're fine.  
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Gonna go grab some here in a bit when Best Buy opens.

 
gruecd said:
OK, should've listened to you in the first place and picked up a pair of these, too, while they were on sale.  I hate the Jaybirds, so I'm going to return them today and pick up a pair of the Shokx to try (at full price :thumbdown: ).  

Do you experience any of the buzzing/tickling at full volume that some people talk about?
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Didn't realize that was a huge complaint of them, but I have felt some excessive vibration from time to time - it's not often but does happen. 

 
gruecd said:
The whole "bone conduction" thing sounds weird to me.  Isn't the sound "different?"
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also like @Zasada, I wouldn't call myself an audiophile by any means so it sounds normal to me.

Bone conduction technology is interesting, imo. I actually have a friend that has some serious hearing loss and these things work amazing for him. 

They are also the best headphones I've ever had for flying, mowing the lawn, and or anything else with a lot of background noise. You pop a set of earplugs in your ears to block out the ambient noise of the mower and the music is piped into your head via bone conduction. Very, very cool, IMO. 

 
-OZ- said:
So my bike is still in the shop. I’m their 1 in the queue. But they can’t find the right headset :rant:  I might need to decide whether to continue to ride. :(  or just keep an eye on Facebook marketplace, or check with my tri club and see if anyone is selling or loading wheels. 
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Buying a new bike is the correct answer.

 
I've had the Aftershokz for ~6months and like them a lot.  I don't play them particularly loudly and definitely have no mop on my head, but I haven't noted any of the buzzing issues.  Have not tried them as ball conduction headphones, so I'll leave that portion of the review to others.

Probably for another thread but it's related so why not - has anyone looked into portable noise cancelling boxes?  Seems like there should be something out there that isn't just a white noise box that could cancel out any snoring occurring in the vicinity.

 
gruecd said:
Unboxing now.  First impression?  Super comfortable.  Can hardly tell that I'm wearing them.
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OK, I think these will work.  But I definitely felt the buzzing/tingling (by my ears, not on my balls) whenever there was a lot of bass.  "'Til I Collapse" by Eminem, for example.

 
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I am at the point where I need to figure out my training plan for Monumental.

If I recall, someone had calculated out a ratio of marathon to HM times for the group?

I'm trying to figure out some sort of pace to train at and try for.  With a 1:31:42 HM time, the calculators have me at a 7:18 pace, which is laughable.

 
xulf said:
I am at the point where I need to figure out my training plan for Monumental.

If I recall, someone had calculated out a ratio of marathon to HM times for the group?

I'm trying to figure out some sort of pace to train at and try for.  With a 1:31:42 HM time, the calculators have me at a 7:18 pace, which is laughable.
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IIRC, it is something like a 2.25x your HM pace as a goal. There was a range but I recall 2.25 being about the right number for calculating. So that would put you about a 3:25 Marathon. 

 
For reference, mine is 2.29 when I PRd my HM in October and then ran the full in November of 2019. I would shooting for about that 2.25 number (3:40-ish) and was on pace for much of it before struggling the last few miles and slowing down. 

 
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