Dr_Zaius
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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (5 Viewers)
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The Iguana
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All totally understandable. However, if I keep running more and more the odds are good I start acting like a hyped up newb again. Maybe I'll drag someone along with me or something. Not sure exactly how much I can find again of what I found before but maybe we will find out. This is week 4 and it already is feeling better with each run. I'm a long, long, LONG way from where I got 5 years ago but there's enough muscle memory that I'm starting to have fun again and am looking forward to more improvements in the near future.
gianmarco
Footballguy
The Iguana
Footballguy
xulf
Footballguy
Marathon is 10 days away - this was my last SOS run before the race.
I'm at the point where I'm nervous
excited 
but can't wait for it to be over because I'm starting to loathe running 
In other words, I'm as ready as I'm going to be.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Marathon is 10 days away - this was my last SOS run before the race.
I'm at the point where I'm nervous
In other words, I'm as ready as I'm going to be.
What time are you shooting for?
xulf
Footballguy
Marathon is 10 days away - this was my last SOS run before the race.
I'm at the point where I'm nervous
In other words, I'm as ready as I'm going to be.
What time are you shooting for?
Going for ~3:13 or so.
I started this cycle hoping to BQ for 2026. That was a 3:20 time and I knew I needed at LEAST 5-6 min buffer. I've been training at <7:20, which equates to 3:12. I figure I won't run perfect lines, so I'll probably add another 1:00-2:00 (very much hoping for the lower end).
My new BQ qualifying time is 3:15, so if I can run what I'm hoping for, I'll have a shot at it, but who knows if it's good enough.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I hope you get in. I’m planning to run Chicago next year. I will be in a new AG (55) the month prior. Maybe one last time to shoot for a PB.
The Iguana
Footballguy
I went 9 miles this morning... longest I've run at one time since the 2022 Monumental when I did my most recent HM. Next Saturday I'm doing a trail HM with a friend of mine. Will be some combo of a run/walk. The elevation changes and terrain may just do me in but we'll see how it goes. I did this race once before back in October of 2020. I also was severely undertrained for it and finished it just under 2:45. But I have no real goal for this other than not to hurt myself and to try to not fall down. We'll see how it goes.
xulf
Footballguy
The Iguana
Footballguy
Here's one thing I kind of forgot about... nipple chafing. I'm a little sensitive this afternoon.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Nipples? Talk to me when scrotal chafing becomes an issue.
Dr_Zaius
Footballguy
Groin stuff is one of my background worries for my 40 miler, particularly because I'm not sure where the potential hot spots would even be. At least with the feet I somewhat know how to deal with them. I guess I could have an unpleasant nipple surprise, but I've never been prone to issues there.
The Iguana
Footballguy
Ahh see, now I have worn compression shorts for the longest time while running and this is never an issue any longer. Actually found some under armor ones recently that are 2 in 1 compression shorts and running shorts. They rock!
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Oh I wore compression shorts, too! But you run long enough, nothing will stop the chafing!
Nice! The 40 miler part, not the groin stuff part. All I can suggest is bring some of your favorite lube just in case you need it. I used to carry either a little tube of aquaphor, or you can sometimes find little sticks of Squirrels Nut Butter or Body Glide you can stick in a pocket or your pack.
The Iguana
Footballguy
The Iguana
Footballguy
For the record, I started doing compression shorts for stuff like this AFTER doing a 50 mile hike over 3 days a number of years ago. The chafing was not pretty. And that was before I realized there were people like some of you here that would do 50 or 100 miles non-stop over the course of a day. Of course I was also lugging around a pack with more gear in it than I really needed so...
ETA - it was more my butt and my inner thighs that chafed more than my balls, however.
ETA - it was more my butt and my inner thighs that chafed more than my balls, however.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Several months ago my wife bought me a pack of new undies - Puma Sport Briefs. They don't have a fly opening, though, so I didn't like them for day-to-day wear. However, they've been fantastic to wear under my running shorts. I really don't need to body glide "down there," now, when wearing the Pumas as a base layer.
bushdocda
Footballguy
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mr. furley
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@tri-man 47 i'm still plugging along, but these kids are getting faster 
i'll take solace in the fact that those 4 girls were members of the local school's 4th grade cross country team this time
i'll take solace in the fact that those 4 girls were members of the local school's 4th grade cross country team this time
-OZ-
Footballguy
This is a thing?
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Works for me.This is a thing?
-OZ-
Footballguy
Works for me.This is a thing?
I’ve just never worn anything underneath shorts when they have a liner. I know the risk of chafing is higher when wearing underwear with bike shorts.
The Iguana
Footballguy
I'm not currently a BMF, but tonight I remembered what it feels like when you are a BMF, and I want that feeling again. Ran in a park in run periodically tonight that has a couple hills. Also the temp dropped in the last day or so. That means I was running in a cool fall day in a park going up hill, for part of the time anyway. Total memories of high school CC and my late coach.
The last mile of the 10k is steadily uphill and my thought when I started was to just coast in. But then I'm thinking about Coach and I'm feeling good. It wasn't anything fast but it was a good strong finish and my HR didn't go nuts or anything. I'm looking forward to Saturday. It's probably going to hurt when I'm done but it should be a fun experience and I don't think I'll die or anything.
The last mile of the 10k is steadily uphill and my thought when I started was to just coast in. But then I'm thinking about Coach and I'm feeling good. It wasn't anything fast but it was a good strong finish and my HR didn't go nuts or anything. I'm looking forward to Saturday. It's probably going to hurt when I'm done but it should be a fun experience and I don't think I'll die or anything.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
I don't feel like a BMF, either! I'm questioning whether to wear my new'ish super shoes in Sunday's marathon. The acclimation has just been somewhat ..off. The first week or two, I was running MP on every run without much effort at all. It was like I couldn't slow down. But now, a month in, it seems like my HR is running a little higher than it should, and I can't find a good rhythm and steady pace. My marathon DNF weighs on me, too. Were the shoes part of the cause? As I tired in the heat/humidity, was I running back on my heels, which magnified a slowing pace as I was running on the wrong end of the carbon plate? 
I'm going to try my regular training shoes on Tues/Wed ...first to see if that stride feels OK (after a month in the super shoes), and then to see how the pace and HR match up. The main thing I need is a steady-paced race, and my normal Kinvaras could be the safer route for that.
I'm going to try my regular training shoes on Tues/Wed ...first to see if that stride feels OK (after a month in the super shoes), and then to see how the pace and HR match up. The main thing I need is a steady-paced race, and my normal Kinvaras could be the safer route for that.
The Iguana
Footballguy
One day at a time. I feel like I'm being smarter than I was before. I've now done 65 miles in the last 4 weeks plus a day and gradually increasing the miles per week but mostly keeping the pace about the same, maybe creeping a little faster but not much.
The weekly total has gone 10, 13, 17, 19 and the pace has stayed just over 10 min/mile on average. Part of it is the weather cooling off but my HR has gone from averaging 160+ with spikes to 170 or 180 on 3 mile runs to averaging under 150 for 6+ tonight and only a couple of spikes to 160ish while going uphill.
This week will end up being close to 25 but some number on Saturday will be just under a walking pace. After this week, or maybe next depending on how bad I feel after the weekend, I want to start adding in a 4th day and work up to doing about 30 miles/week. I still need to just focus on dropping some pounds and building more core strength. The more I can do those things, the more fun this will be.
The Iguana
Footballguy
I pretty sure you could never not be a BMF with some of your accomplishments to date. But, you got this. Hopefully the weather cooperates and then you crush this thing! Let's go!I don't feel like a BMF, either! I'm questioning whether to wear my new'ish super shoes in Sunday's marathon. The acclimation has just been somewhat ..off. The first week or two, I was running MP on every run without much effort at all. It was like I couldn't slow down. But now, a month in, it seems like my HR is running a little higher than it should, and I can't find a good rhythm and steady pace. My marathon DNF weighs on me, too. Were the shoes part of the cause? As I tired in the heat/humidity, was I running back on my heels, which magnified a slowing pace as I was running on the wrong end of the carbon plate?
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Weather is looking good, at least. Probably 50s through the morning and moderate/falling humidity.I pretty sure you could never not be a BMF with some of your accomplishments to date. But, you got this. Hopefully the weather cooperates and then you crush this thing! Let's go!I don't feel like a BMF, either! I'm questioning whether to wear my new'ish super shoes in Sunday's marathon. The acclimation has just been somewhat ..off. The first week or two, I was running MP on every run without much effort at all. It was like I couldn't slow down. But now, a month in, it seems like my HR is running a little higher than it should, and I can't find a good rhythm and steady pace. My marathon DNF weighs on me, too. Were the shoes part of the cause? As I tired in the heat/humidity, was I running back on my heels, which magnified a slowing pace as I was running on the wrong end of the carbon plate?
bushdocda
Footballguy
Strange to go from positive to less than positive in same shoes. Could be loaded legs and overall ready to taper after extended training. Pick what you feel confident in for raceday and trust your training GB.I don't feel like a BMF, either! I'm questioning whether to wear my new'ish super shoes in Sunday's marathon. The acclimation has just been somewhat ..off. The first week or two, I was running MP on every run without much effort at all. It was like I couldn't slow down. But now, a month in, it seems like my HR is running a little higher than it should, and I can't find a good rhythm and steady pace. My marathon DNF weighs on me, too. Were the shoes part of the cause? As I tired in the heat/humidity, was I running back on my heels, which magnified a slowing pace as I was running on the wrong end of the carbon plate?
beer 30
Footballguy
I was going to remind you dolts they make something that handles all your chaffing needs, xulf beat me to it. Slather up the nether region and forget about it.
And for those of you discovering sensitive nipples in the shower after a long run, grab some of this. Works like a charm.
Dr_Zaius
Footballguy
I second this. Even if it means donning a "slower" shoe, if it's something that gives you confidence that should go a long way in keeping you in the right mindset.Strange to go from positive to less than positive in same shoes. Could be loaded legs and overall ready to taper after extended training. Pick what you feel confident in for raceday and trust your training GB.I don't feel like a BMF, either! I'm questioning whether to wear my new'ish super shoes in Sunday's marathon. The acclimation has just been somewhat ..off. The first week or two, I was running MP on every run without much effort at all. It was like I couldn't slow down. But now, a month in, it seems like my HR is running a little higher than it should, and I can't find a good rhythm and steady pace. My marathon DNF weighs on me, too. Were the shoes part of the cause? As I tired in the heat/humidity, was I running back on my heels, which magnified a slowing pace as I was running on the wrong end of the carbon plate?
Dr_Zaius
Footballguy
At least one of us is getting smarter as they age. I was feeling twinges in the side of my ankle/foot on Thursday's run and decided that I would just power through it rather than being smart and cutting it short. After things tightened up post-run I was hobbling all over the place. So I've shut things down completely for several days. I'm in the taper anyway, and there should be plenty of time between now and next Saturday for it to get back to 100%, but still I'm such an idiot sometimes. I'm tentatively planning to test it out with 3 easy miles tomorrow.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Update: I did a couple miles in my Kinvaras this a.m., and they just felt sluggish ...although the HR seemed lower. The latter could be a cool (40s) morning, though. I also noticed the lack of cushioning and was feeling a little soreness on the outer midfoot (fifth metatarsal) that I had several weeks ago. So - super shoes it is! @bushdocda , you touched on the key, which at this point is to trust my training. I did have a nice 16+ miler in the super shoes a week and a half ago (8:13/mi pace; HR below 150). That's probably the best indicator for Sunday's race. With that resolved, I'll now get to work on my mental planning. #BMF
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Sorry, I have been MIA.
Here's what my life has been.
Early September -- BQ at Tunnel Marathon. Got to hang with everyone's favorite @bushdocda . Had a great time.
4 days later, I know something is up with my heart. End up on Friday (5 days after Marathon) going to cardiologist. End up diagnosing I have Atrial Fibrillation....which is essentially, heart is not beating in rhythm....super inefficient. I felt like I was living at 12,000 feet of elevation. Out of breath going up a flight of stairs type of thing. (I had this 11 years ago as well.)
A week or so later, I had a cardioversion where they use electric shocks to get the heart back into rhythm. All is good, however, in meeting with the cardiologist, he said, "There is research going on that may indicate some longer endurance events could have a negative impact on some hearts." This was obviously nerve-racking to me. My doc is a triathlete so he understands my mentality and I trust him. The research isn't totally conclusive and we agreed since I went 11 years in between episodes, I can continue on with my racing plan.
In any event, I decided I need to continue to live my life but I'm definitely much more careful right now in what I'm asking my body to do. I used to workout and go hard....as hard as I could. I simply need to be smarter and more measured.
I just led the 4:00 pace group at a small race here in NY and will be leading the 4:05 pace group at NYC Marathon in a couple weeks. That will be the end of the 2024 race season for me.
2025 currently looking like Boston (my 8th straight), a possible 2027 BQ attempt in September (location TBD), Chicago (likely pacing), Marine Corps Marathon (pacing) and NYC (pacing). Admittedly, I'm working on getting myself back into Chicago -- was offered a pacing spot a few years ago but had already committed to another race. Now, I know I said I was being more careful, and I am. I will likely slow down my paces -- particularly for MCM and NYC since they are on back to back weekends.
If anyone will be in NYC for the marathon, let me know. I believe @bushdocda and Mrs. @bushdocda may be spending a few days in the Big Apple during that time. Perhaps a FBG meet up is in order!
Here's what my life has been.
Early September -- BQ at Tunnel Marathon. Got to hang with everyone's favorite @bushdocda . Had a great time.
4 days later, I know something is up with my heart. End up on Friday (5 days after Marathon) going to cardiologist. End up diagnosing I have Atrial Fibrillation....which is essentially, heart is not beating in rhythm....super inefficient. I felt like I was living at 12,000 feet of elevation. Out of breath going up a flight of stairs type of thing. (I had this 11 years ago as well.)
A week or so later, I had a cardioversion where they use electric shocks to get the heart back into rhythm. All is good, however, in meeting with the cardiologist, he said, "There is research going on that may indicate some longer endurance events could have a negative impact on some hearts." This was obviously nerve-racking to me. My doc is a triathlete so he understands my mentality and I trust him. The research isn't totally conclusive and we agreed since I went 11 years in between episodes, I can continue on with my racing plan.
In any event, I decided I need to continue to live my life but I'm definitely much more careful right now in what I'm asking my body to do. I used to workout and go hard....as hard as I could. I simply need to be smarter and more measured.
I just led the 4:00 pace group at a small race here in NY and will be leading the 4:05 pace group at NYC Marathon in a couple weeks. That will be the end of the 2024 race season for me.
2025 currently looking like Boston (my 8th straight), a possible 2027 BQ attempt in September (location TBD), Chicago (likely pacing), Marine Corps Marathon (pacing) and NYC (pacing). Admittedly, I'm working on getting myself back into Chicago -- was offered a pacing spot a few years ago but had already committed to another race. Now, I know I said I was being more careful, and I am. I will likely slow down my paces -- particularly for MCM and NYC since they are on back to back weekends.
If anyone will be in NYC for the marathon, let me know. I believe @bushdocda and Mrs. @bushdocda may be spending a few days in the Big Apple during that time. Perhaps a FBG meet up is in order!
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Good luck! I think you got this covered with either shoes to be honest.
Please post tracking info!
The Iguana
Footballguy
No fun at all. And hopefully it is a blip and all goes back to normal. I've known of a few people that have had that happen, both as a one off occurrence and as a chronic/recurring condition. Hopefully it's the one off thing for you.
All that pacing sounds both fun and terrifying! I know I highly appreciated the help and encouragement the couple of times I made use of pacers in races. I'm sure there are a long line of people that are grateful for your time and support. Especially since you seem to nail the target time each and every time you do it.
Zasada
Footballguy
It's too late in the game for this, but if you like Saucony, I have found the Endorphin Speed and Pro to be quite "fast". Might be worth a try for future races.
xulf
Footballguy
I always toss around the idea of going kinvaras (which I absolutely love) as my race shoe. They are light and fast and great. I have had tons of good miles in them. But, as long as I've had SOMETHING good in the super shoes, I'm going super shoes unless they are on the end of their life.
I rarely wear the unicorn of shoes, so it's always tricky to compare, but a good run in the super shoes equates to my HR being 10 bpm lower.
My race is also Sunday. Whenever I start tapering my HR is high for a few runs, then comes back. You may be dealing with some of this now.
xulf
Footballguy
For whatever reason I HATE v3 of both of these. Especially speed 3
Pro 4 is back to being really good and what I'm wearing race day.
I'll probably try speed 4 once it goes on discount.
I still think Pro 1 is the best shoe I've had.
Zasada
Footballguy
For whatever reason I HATE v3 of both of these. Especially speed 3
Pro 4 is back to being really good and what I'm wearing race day.
I'll probably try speed 4 once it goes on discount.
I still think Pro 1 is the best shoe I've had.
I have the Speed 1 and Pro 1, both of which I save just for races. So plenty of miles left in them. Love them both.
pbm107
Footballguy
Congrats on another great training cycle, the weather forecast looks great for you.
Brony
Footballguy
How do you like dem apples?I picked 36 apples off our trees yesterday before the 24 degree overnight temps.
That's all I got fellas.
The Iguana
Footballguy
How do you like dem apples?I picked 36 apples off our trees yesterday before the 24 degree overnight temps.
That's all I got fellas.
Dr_Zaius
Footballguy
Ankle check went well on my 3.5 mile run last night. Possibly relatedly, I had almost no soreness in it when I got out of bed this morning for the first time since I injured it on Thursday. I'm still slightly concerned that running on trails is going to be significantly more of a stressor to it than road running, but I've still got more than a week for it to recover, so I'm pretty confident it's not going to give me issues. Also entering the weather watch zone
tri-man 47
Footballguy
It looks like the tracking for the Grand Rapids Marathon is based on me carrying my phone, which ain’t my thing. Hopefully the morning is full of good marathon reports!
