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Random Thoughts During Free Agency (1 Viewer)

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Random Thoughts on Free Agency

The second phase of our non-playing season starts Friday at midnight. All three phases are filled with great storylines this season. If you didn’t get excited about what the coaching changes might mean to the defensive landscape, maybe free agency will pique your interest. There are a bunch of things that have my interest; rather than start a new thread for each one of them, I’ll just toss them all in one post.

The next eight weeks are going to be a crazy game of musical chairs for this linebacker group. There’s a huge list of unrestricted free agents on the market, which will then be followed by what looks like a very interesting group of incoming rookies. Ray Lewis, Bart Scott, Mike Peterson, Channing Crowder, Angelo Crowell, Michael Boley, Andra Davis, Paris Lenon, Keith Brooking, Zach Thomas are available. Jonathan Vilma, Freddie Keiaho and Kevin Burnett, too. Vilma and Keiaho, probably Lewis and maybe Lenon and Burnett stay with their current teams. Every other player could be someplace else. It’s going to be nuts.

And there are some primo roles to be had. Kansas City has no linebackers and could see a ridiculous amount of tackle opportunity this season. There are big roles for the taking – potentially – in Baltimore, Cincinnati, Detroit, Miami and St. Louis. Goofy things could happen in Denver, Buffalo and Jacksonville. What if Mike Peterson lands in Detroit? How would Michael Boley look as a 3-4 WILB someplace? Could Channing Crowder end up as an ILB with Denver or Kansas City? Other than the rumors of Bart Scott in New York, none of these guys have a clear projection yet. There’ll be a long list of winners and losers here.

Two guys who got some nice play in these forums, then were mostly forgotten, might end up having huge increases in value after the music stops. Four months ago, Ray Lewis looked to be a lock to re-sign in Baltimore and Tavares Gooden was about to hit IR after getting very little practice time. If Lewis and Scott are both wearing another uniform this time next week, Gooden may end up having the value some hoped for last spring. And with Michael Boley and Keith Brooking out in Atlanta, it’s very likely time for Stephen Nicholas to move from his hardly reported nickel duties to an every-down role this season.

Then again, it’s possible that Peterson, Crowder, Crowell, Boley, Davis, Lenon, Brooking and Thomas get zero love on the market and fight for leftovers like Cato June did two seasons ago.

What would you do with Julius Peppers and Albert Haynesworth? Both arguably one of the top two or three talents at their position. Both arguably one of the top two or three flakes at their position. Would you give either a truckload of guaranteed money and picks in Peppers’ case? :goodposting:

I think the franchise tag the Rams put on OJ Atogwe means that Steve Spagnuolo sees him as his Brian Dawkins, Gibril Wilson, Kenny Phillips. I never really liked Atogwe and was surprised when he topped 70 solos last year (which may have had more to do with Will Witherspoon’s suckitude than Atogwe’s play), but I’m firmly in his corner now.

I think we find out very quickly whether Bill Belichick sees Brandon Meriweather as the true heir apparent to Rodney Harrison as his in-the-box, playmaking, all-around SS. Gibril Wilson and Sean Jones both look very much like Harrison. And Jones has plenty of experience in this playbook.

Sean Jones parallels Gibril Wilson’s recent experience in many ways, falling out of favor with the team that drafted him over coverage concerns despite seemingly making plenty of plays on the ball. Unless Jones goes to a team that’s going to ask him to play an interchangeable coverage safety role (and why would he with the glut of 4-3 teams moving to a more aggressive profile), he could have a career year in solos – just like Wilson did last year. How about Jones in Houston? Seattle? Detroit? Denver? New England?

Even though he played more of a strong safety role alongside Ed Reed, could Jim Leonhard’s potential signing in New York be enough to push Kerry Rhodes back toward the line of scrimmage. Probably wishful thinking there.

With Leroy Hill franchised, is it Kevin Burnett who jumps into an unexpectedly good situation as a very underrated all-around player? Or is he the next Landon Johnson or Niko Koutovides?

If Denver doesn’t add a big name ILB over the next few weeks, with Jamie Winborn gone, I think Wes Woodyard suddenly finds himself in a very favorable RILB spot in the 3-4 hybrid Mike Nolan is installing.

Oh, and a couple of leftover thoughts that really never made it out of the 2009 coaching and scheme change thread. How many more tackles can Barrett Ruud squeeze out of the highly favorable Jim Bates playbook? I think the arrival of John Marshall in Oakland could hurt Kirk Morrison as much as it did Lofa Tatupu. And I think Tatupu could be poised to see a big uptick in tackles with Marshall gone and Jim Mora bringing a more aggressive, downhill style to the Seattle front.

 
Some thoughts on the lesser signings and news from the weekend...

The Giants' defensive line is going to be sick. Chris Canty could become a top five defensive tackle if he plays on third down -- almost a John Henderson type player. Umenyiora, Tuck, Canty, Kiwanuka is going to be very tough to block on passing downs. Rocky Bernard has value in DT leagues, too, and we might see Fred Robbins on a different team later this month.

Brandon Mebane, as was noted in other threads, should see a bump if he plays more three-technique snaps this season. The aggressive nature of Jim Mora's scheme, who uses enough under fronts to make the three-technique a real value, will add some value, too. Still, it's a little hard to see him as a 40 solo, 8 sack guy despite his play in the second half 2008.

Kevin Burnett isn't drawing much interest on the market, including in Dallas apparently. If he doesn't return and the Cowboys don't sign enough bodies to run a dime subpackage, the signing of Keith Brooking becomes very interesting. I'm not sure Bobby Carpenter can play inside in the nickel. A healthy Keith Brooking as an every-down WILB in a one-gap 3-4 is a potential 90+ solo player. There's precedent here, as Brooking was very productive in 2002 under Wade Phillips in that role in Atlanta. Though Zach Thomas didn't end up working out as a every-down guy, that doesn't mean Brooking won't.

Reports of Tampa's pursuit of Jonathan Vilma and now Angelo Crowell strongly suggest that the team wants a better option at the OLB positions than it currently has. A free agent signing isn't necessarily going to have much more than LB3 value here, but it's a clear sign that the value of guys like Quincy Black and Geno Hayes is hanging on by the thinnest of threads.

 
I seen on a Falcon blog Crowell and Sean Jones are supposed to be in Alanta today. Things have been very quiet on the Sean Jones front.
 
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The signing of Andra Davis in Denver doesn't do anything for his value, but is a significant good news, bad news development for DJ Williams and Wes Woodyard. Davis slots into the SILB position in what's looking even more like a 3-4 front today. That assures DJ Williams will play the more productive WILB role in Mike Nolan's scheme. A good number of players in that defense have approached and topped 100 solos in recent seasons, making Williams an attractive LB1 again despite three different positions in three years. Unfortunately, that makes Wes Woodyard the odd man out inside. And Denver's pursuit of Renaldo Hill and Brian Dawkins makes it unlikely that he'll be moved to safety.
 
Jason Hatcher De Dallas, should be the name everyone puts on their radar. If Dallas doesn't address a DE in free agency or early in the draft he looks to be the man replacing Canty.

 
Jason Hatcher De Dallas, should be the name everyone puts on their radar. If Dallas doesn't address a DE in free agency or early in the draft he looks to be the man replacing Canty.
:lmao:Got so excited about the Giant DL, I forgot about Hatcher.
 
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If this is the place for Random Thoughts....

Tom Zbikowski = very likely to be the starting SS in Balt with all the turnover

 
I think the franchise tag the Rams put on OJ Atogwe means that Steve Spagnuolo sees him as his Brian Dawkins, Gibril Wilson, Kenny Phillips. I never really liked Atogwe and was surprised when he topped 70 solos last year (which may have had more to do with Will Witherspoon’s suckitude than Atogwe’s play), but I’m firmly in his corner now.
Nice to have you onboard with this guy. 65+ solos in each the last 3 years. He's also had 16 INT's and 11 FF's in that time. The Canadian can ball :)

 
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PFW / WWHI

Cleveland

March 5, 2009 By Mike Wilkening

Changes coming in Browns' secondary?

Updated at 12:51 p.m. EST Friday, March 6

The Browns’ plans in the secondary are one of the many offseason story lines to watch. The Browns reportedly hosted Bills CB Jabari Greer and Titans CB Chris Carr on March 3, apparently a signal that, at the least, bolstering their depth at the position is a priority. (Greer signed with the Saints the next day.) The Browns were not particularly deep at cornerback last season, especially after Daven Holly suffered a season-ending knee injury in the offseason. Starters Brandon McDonald and Eric Wright both had uneven second seasons, with McDonald particularly struggling before rallying late in the season. Also, if the club does not re-sign SS Sean Jones, it would open up a starting spot on the back end of the defense. That spot may be filled by Mike Adams, who has reportedly re-signed with the club. Adams started five games for the Browns last season at safety. Finally, there is considerable intrigue as to whether RS Joshua Cribbs will have a role in the secondary after head coach Eric Mangini indicated he might get a look on defense.

Mike Adams is a guy to keep an eye on. Brown don't appear interested in Sean Jones

 
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Thoughts on LB Stephen Nicholas (ATL)? He was banged up a bit the last two years and didn't get much time but with Brooking and Boley gone he should get a chance, no?

 
Thoughts on LB Stephen Nicholas (ATL)? He was banged up a bit the last two years and didn't get much time but with Brooking and Boley gone he should get a chance, no?
Random Thoughts on Free Agency

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And with Michael Boley and Keith Brooking out in Atlanta, it’s very likely time for Stephen Nicholas to move from his hardly reported nickel duties to an every-down role this season.
Yup. :excited: He still seems to be flying well under the radar, but I'd guess there'll be a lot more discussion about him this summer. I've got him ranked 45 right now, but he'll move up a bit if he gets officially slotted on the weak side after the draft.

 
Thoughts on LB Stephen Nicholas (ATL)? He was banged up a bit the last two years and didn't get much time but with Brooking and Boley gone he should get a chance, no?
Random Thoughts on Free Agency

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And with Michael Boley and Keith Brooking out in Atlanta, it’s very likely time for Stephen Nicholas to move from his hardly reported nickel duties to an every-down role this season.
Yup. :lmao: He still seems to be flying well under the radar, but I'd guess there'll be a lot more discussion about him this summer. I've got him ranked 45 right now, but he'll move up a bit if he gets officially slotted on the weak side after the draft.
WTF? I read through that post several times and didn't see it. Even after seeing this post I read through it again and couldn't find it. Too much skimming I guess. Ctrl+F is my friend. :lmao:

 
Some thoughts on the lesser signings and news from the weekend...

The Giants' defensive line is going to be sick. Chris Canty could become a top five defensive tackle if he plays on third down -- almost a John Henderson type player. Umenyiora, Tuck, Canty, Kiwanuka is going to be very tough to block on passing downs. Rocky Bernard has value in DT leagues, too, and we might see Fred Robbins on a different team later this month.
Any thoughts on Boley joining the Giants. He will end up at WLB and will get a chance to play in space behind that DL. Clearly an every down player for the giants especially with Pierce showing he can't cover anybody anymore let alone the Westbrooks of the world. I think he has a chance to be a playmaker.
 
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Some thoughts on the lesser signings and news from the weekend...

The Giants' defensive line is going to be sick. Chris Canty could become a top five defensive tackle if he plays on third down -- almost a John Henderson type player. Umenyiora, Tuck, Canty, Kiwanuka is going to be very tough to block on passing downs. Rocky Bernard has value in DT leagues, too, and we might see Fred Robbins on a different team later this month.
Any thoughts on Boley joining the Giants. He will end up at WLB and will get a chance to play in space behind that DL. Clearly an every down player for the giants especially with Pierce showing he can't cover anybody anymore let alone the Michael Westbrooks of the world. I think he has a chance to be a playmaker.
I would like to think that the DLine will keep blockers away from the LBs allowing them to make plays - but a sick line like this could blow through OLs and make plays behind the line and thus reduce the tackle opportunities - particularly in the middle. Secondary would possibly get a boost as (bad) teams could be forced to concentrate on the pass
 
Some thoughts on the lesser signings and news from the weekend...

The Giants' defensive line is going to be sick. Chris Canty could become a top five defensive tackle if he plays on third down -- almost a John Henderson type player. Umenyiora, Tuck, Canty, Kiwanuka is going to be very tough to block on passing downs. Rocky Bernard has value in DT leagues, too, and we might see Fred Robbins on a different team later this month.
Any thoughts on Boley joining the Giants. He will end up at WLB and will get a chance to play in space behind that DL. Clearly an every down player for the giants especially with Pierce showing he can't cover anybody anymore let alone the Westbrooks of the world. I think he has a chance to be a playmaker.
I think he'll finish somewhere between last season's disappointing numbers and his career year in 2007. LB3 type production. I don't think he approaches 90 solos again unless the linebacker corps falls apart.
 
Looks like Will Witherspoon is definitely moving to OLB in St. Louis per Rotoworld (quoting Spags)....

Could be drafting the future MLB this year.

 
Kevin Burnett isn't drawing much interest on the market, including in Dallas apparently. If he doesn't return and the Cowboys don't sign enough bodies to run a dime subpackage, the signing of Keith Brooking becomes very interesting. I'm not sure Bobby Carpenter can play inside in the nickel. A healthy Keith Brooking as an every-down WILB in a one-gap 3-4 is a potential 90+ solo player. There's precedent here, as Brooking was very productive in 2002 under Wade Phillips in that role in Atlanta. Though Zach Thomas didn't end up working out as a every-down guy, that doesn't mean Brooking won't.
So Doctor B, what are your thoughts about Burnett now that he's in SD? Does he finally get the 3-down role he's been pining for?
 
Kevin Burnett isn't drawing much interest on the market, including in Dallas apparently. If he doesn't return and the Cowboys don't sign enough bodies to run a dime subpackage, the signing of Keith Brooking becomes very interesting. I'm not sure Bobby Carpenter can play inside in the nickel. A healthy Keith Brooking as an every-down WILB in a one-gap 3-4 is a potential 90+ solo player. There's precedent here, as Brooking was very productive in 2002 under Wade Phillips in that role in Atlanta. Though Zach Thomas didn't end up working out as a every-down guy, that doesn't mean Brooking won't.
So Doctor B, what are your thoughts about Burnett now that he's in SD? Does he finally get the 3-down role he's been pining for?
If the early SD interviews are any indication, he's got a big chip on his shoulder and very eager to prove that he wasn't given a chance to prove himself on early downs in Dallas. None of the SD ILBs has separated himself in the past two seasons, so the opportunity is likely there. It's interesting that Burnett chose the same scheme he'd been playing in with a number of ILB competitors when he apparently had a few other options. That would certainly seem to suggest he thinks he's got a legit shot at winning the RILB slot alongside Cooper in camp. I've always liked Burnett, but it's not hard to come to the conclusion that he's been correctly pigeonholed as a part-time player and the injuries he's had in relatively limited time make it unlikely that he'll hold up over a full season. I'll be pimping him pretty hard if he looks to be in line to start, though. :goodposting:

We also talked about Burnett a little on our free agency review podcast; I think John and Sig added some thoughts too if you're interested.

 
Kevin Burnett isn't drawing much interest on the market, including in Dallas apparently. If he doesn't return and the Cowboys don't sign enough bodies to run a dime subpackage, the signing of Keith Brooking becomes very interesting. I'm not sure Bobby Carpenter can play inside in the nickel. A healthy Keith Brooking as an every-down WILB in a one-gap 3-4 is a potential 90+ solo player. There's precedent here, as Brooking was very productive in 2002 under Wade Phillips in that role in Atlanta. Though Zach Thomas didn't end up working out as a every-down guy, that doesn't mean Brooking won't.
So Doctor B, what are your thoughts about Burnett now that he's in SD? Does he finally get the 3-down role he's been pining for?
If the early SD interviews are any indication, he's got a big chip on his shoulder and very eager to prove that he wasn't given a chance to prove himself on early downs in Dallas. None of the SD ILBs has separated himself in the past two seasons, so the opportunity is likely there. It's interesting that Burnett chose the same scheme he'd been playing in with a number of ILB competitors when he apparently had a few other options. That would certainly seem to suggest he thinks he's got a legit shot at winning the RILB slot alongside Cooper in camp. I've always liked Burnett, but it's not hard to come to the conclusion that he's been correctly pigeonholed as a part-time player and the injuries he's had in relatively limited time make it unlikely that he'll hold up over a full season. I'll be pimping him pretty hard if he looks to be in line to start, though. :rolleyes:

We also talked about Burnett a little on our free agency review podcast; I think John and Sig added some thoughts too if you're interested.
Excellent, will have a listen tomorrow. I agree that it's interesting him choosing to play in SD's 3-4 scheme - would have been interesting to see what he could do playing weakside in a 4-3 somewhere (then again, not a ton of opportunity around apparently). You're right though, it does suggest that he's fairly confident about winning the starting RILB role.

I've been reading through Chargers forums to see how those guys feel the situation will play out, and while some agree with the assertion of him being pigeonholed as a part-time player and ST stud, plenty of others feel that he is a shoe-in to be starting come week 1 (although plenty of them also agree with the status quo and have Maualuga landing in SoCal).

 
Nice to have you onboard with this guy. 65+ solos in each the last 3 years. He's also had 16 INT's and 11 FF's in that time. The Canadian can ball :cry:
pretty sure that leads ALL DBs in that time (including reed & polamalu)... he has underrated ball skills, & his FF knack extends at least back to stanford (where i think he led the pac 10 in that department one year?)...he must be at or near the top in this combined INT/FF number past three years for any position...depending on who else STL gets in front seven in free agency & draft (trade?), they are one of the shakiest up the middle in the league as they stand now, so there should be no shortage of tackle opps for the safeties atogwe & butler... i'm also hoping spags turns the back seven loose on blitzes... spoon is already proven in that capacity, i think tinoisamoa could do well if he starts (SLB)... same with atogwe, & the CBs bartell & hill both have legit 4.4 speed...* atogwe hasn't always been a reliable open field tackler, but he should get the benefit of superior coaching, schemes & surrounding talent pretty soon...
 
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Looks like Will Witherspoon is definitely moving to OLB in St. Louis per Rotoworld (quoting Spags)....Could be drafting the future MLB this year.
if lauraitis fell to 2.03 that is possible (also a DL, WR, CB, maybe even OL if they don't get LT at 1.2, in which case curry possible, & he would likely man the middle?)...maybe a veteran cut post-draft?if not, i think marginal starter quality LB chris draft, who played inside & outside in ATL, CAR & STL, will get the call at MLB...witherspoon could be rejuuvenated & revitalized at WLB this season... he is borderline pro bowl caliber... stacking & shedding in the middle not his strong suit, though...
 
Rams have a LOT of holes and I think they will go LT and wait on a MLB. I think they will look to someone who is more of a 2 down thumper for MLB.

 

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