Randy Moss a Colt? (1 Viewer)

[TBIST]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

 

[pizzatyme]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

As a Colts fan and season ticket holder, no thanks to the thought of Moss.You obviously haven't seen Harrison like I have. You haven't seen him run amazing routes or make amazing catches only a few EVER in the game could have.The Colts don't prescribe to rent a SB appearance. The Pats got a "gift" from the Raiders and still couldn't win it. The Colts have a tendency to only take ex-Patriots if their wearing SB rings. That's not the case with Moss.

 

[TBIST]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

As a Colts fan and season ticket holder, no thanks to the thought of Moss.You obviously haven't seen Harrison like I have. You haven't seen him run amazing routes or make amazing catches only a few EVER in the game could have.The Colts don't prescribe to rent a SB appearance. The Pats got a "gift" from the Raiders and still couldn't win it. The Colts have a tendency to only take ex-Patriots if their wearing SB rings. That's not the case with Moss.

Disagree with you on Marvin... He is a great route runner and had great speed with good hands but he's undersized and is a soft player, he never shows up in the post season and he's old so his speed is diminishing. He's never been a big yards per a catch guy just catches a ton of balls because he's the primary receiver and Peyton has played with him the longest. Wayne is clearly better than him and Gonzo in his short time has looked significantly better. Marvin Harrison doesn't compare to Randy Moss talentwise and Randy is significantly younger. Harrison would not get his 1,000 + and 10+ TDs every year on another team.

 

[pizzatyme]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

As a Colts fan and season ticket holder, no thanks to the thought of Moss.You obviously haven't seen Harrison like I have. You haven't seen him run amazing routes or make amazing catches only a few EVER in the game could have.The Colts don't prescribe to rent a SB appearance. The Pats got a "gift" from the Raiders and still couldn't win it. The Colts have a tendency to only take ex-Patriots if their wearing SB rings. That's not the case with Moss.

Disagree with you on Marvin... He is a great route runner and had great speed with good hands but he's undersized and is a soft player, he never shows up in the post season and he's old so his speed is diminishing. He's never been a big yards per a catch guy just catches a ton of balls because he's the primary receiver and Peyton has played with him the longest. Wayne is clearly better than him and Gonzo in his short time has looked significantly better. Marvin Harrison doesn't compare to Randy Moss talentwise and Randy is significantly younger. Harrison would not get his 1,000 + and 10+ TDs every year on another team.

So, catching a ton of balls is a bad thing? Being the primary WR, facing the top DB, and still catching a ton of balls is not impressive? Wayne is clearly better? Did you just start watching FB this year? Gonzo looks significantly better than an injured Harrison this year? You got me there!Look, if you don't like Harrison, that's fine. He is a top 5 WR all time.There has never been another WR with the makeup of Randy Moss. That doesn't make him the best WR ever.Harrison- 1 ringMoss- ZERO ringsYou'd think for as good as he is, he'd have a ring by now?!

 

[TBIST]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

As a Colts fan and season ticket holder, no thanks to the thought of Moss.You obviously haven't seen Harrison like I have. You haven't seen him run amazing routes or make amazing catches only a few EVER in the game could have.The Colts don't prescribe to rent a SB appearance. The Pats got a "gift" from the Raiders and still couldn't win it. The Colts have a tendency to only take ex-Patriots if their wearing SB rings. That's not the case with Moss.

Disagree with you on Marvin... He is a great route runner and had great speed with good hands but he's undersized and is a soft player, he never shows up in the post season and he's old so his speed is diminishing. He's never been a big yards per a catch guy just catches a ton of balls because he's the primary receiver and Peyton has played with him the longest. Wayne is clearly better than him and Gonzo in his short time has looked significantly better. Marvin Harrison doesn't compare to Randy Moss talentwise and Randy is significantly younger. Harrison would not get his 1,000 + and 10+ TDs every year on another team.

So, catching a ton of balls is a bad thing? Being the primary WR, facing the top DB, and still catching a ton of balls is not impressive? Wayne is clearly better? Did you just start watching FB this year? Gonzo looks significantly better than an injured Harrison this year? You got me there!Look, if you don't like Harrison, that's fine. He is a top 5 WR all time.There has never been another WR with the makeup of Randy Moss. That doesn't make him the best WR ever.Harrison- 1 ringMoss- ZERO ringsYou'd think for as good as he is, he'd have a ring by now?!

Yeah, for a top 5 all-time receiver you think Marvin Harrison would have had more of an impact on the Colts winning that superbowl last year huh? And I was comparing Gonzo to Harrison before he got hurt. At least you knew better than trying to argue that Harrison wasn't soft or doesn't vanish every post season save against blowouts against broncos.

 

[pizzatyme]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

As a Colts fan and season ticket holder, no thanks to the thought of Moss.You obviously haven't seen Harrison like I have. You haven't seen him run amazing routes or make amazing catches only a few EVER in the game could have.The Colts don't prescribe to rent a SB appearance. The Pats got a "gift" from the Raiders and still couldn't win it. The Colts have a tendency to only take ex-Patriots if their wearing SB rings. That's not the case with Moss.

Disagree with you on Marvin... He is a great route runner and had great speed with good hands but he's undersized and is a soft player, he never shows up in the post season and he's old so his speed is diminishing. He's never been a big yards per a catch guy just catches a ton of balls because he's the primary receiver and Peyton has played with him the longest. Wayne is clearly better than him and Gonzo in his short time has looked significantly better. Marvin Harrison doesn't compare to Randy Moss talentwise and Randy is significantly younger. Harrison would not get his 1,000 + and 10+ TDs every year on another team.

So, catching a ton of balls is a bad thing? Being the primary WR, facing the top DB, and still catching a ton of balls is not impressive? Wayne is clearly better? Did you just start watching FB this year? Gonzo looks significantly better than an injured Harrison this year? You got me there!Look, if you don't like Harrison, that's fine. He is a top 5 WR all time.There has never been another WR with the makeup of Randy Moss. That doesn't make him the best WR ever.Harrison- 1 ringMoss- ZERO ringsYou'd think for as good as he is, he'd have a ring by now?!

Yeah, for a top 5 all-time receiver you think Marvin Harrison would have had more of an impact on the Colts winning that superbowl last year huh? And I was comparing Gonzo to Harrison before he got hurt. At least you knew better than trying to argue that Harrison wasn't soft or doesn't vanish every post season save against blowouts against broncos.

Yeah, 5/59/0 is pretty weak for a WR in a SB facing defense's top DB focused on stopping him.You do realize Harrison's YPC average is higher in the playoffs than regular season, right?And, to say Gonzo looked significantly better than Harrison pre-injury, is just silly. But, if it makes you feel better, then so be it.The bottom line is, the Colts don't sell out to for the chance to be considered one of the biggest SB choking teams of all time, so your little dream is irrelevant!Go back to sleep.

 

[FUBAR]

The bottom line is, the Colts don't sell out to for the chance to be considered one of the biggest SB choking teams of all time, so your little dream is irrelevant!

All the personal BS aside (are you having a rough day or what?) this is actually a good point.How many blue chip FAs have the Colts signed recently? How many have they brought in with trades?

 

[JohnnyU]

The bottom line is, the Colts don't sell out to for the chance to be considered one of the biggest SB choking teams of all time, so your little dream is irrelevant!

All the personal BS aside (are you having a rough day or what?) this is actually a good point.How many blue chip FAs have the Colts signed recently? How many have they brought in with trades?

The Colts don't bring in high priced FA. It's not who Polian is. If you look at the Colts roster, it is mostly build from the draft.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

Besides of course NE, theres four better teams in the AFC. Why would He sign with the Colts?

 

[JohnnyU]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

Besides of course NE, theres four better teams in the AFC. Why would He sign with the Colts?

Yeah right, and why would the Colts want Moss? They don't need him. I bet the Colts wouldn't have choked in the SB , especially if healthy.

 

[IndyHavoc]

The bottom line is, the Colts don't sell out to for the chance to be considered one of the biggest SB choking teams of all time, so your little dream is irrelevant!

All the personal BS aside (are you having a rough day or what?) this is actually a good point.How many blue chip FAs have the Colts signed recently? How many have they brought in with trades?

The Colts don't bring in high priced FA. It's not who Polian is. If you look at the Colts roster, it is mostly build from the draft.

Except for DT's And even then, it's not "blue chip" or "high priced"...but borderline. And it seems like they finally hit on a few DL's these last couple drafts; they'd been severly missing on those the prior 3-4 drafts. My $0.02. I'd rather see Ocho. That guy catches a lot of shiz, but I honestly sympathize with the guy. He's in a crap (football) city that just can't seem to get outta it's own way. He's forced to go to extremes just to stuggle to keep the Bungles "relevant" in the overall scheme of the NFL. Put that guy on the Colts, and he's a superstar who would realize he doesn't need the antics at all. He'd just be great, and would continue to build that edge/attitude that's budding in our defensive backend, but bring it to the O side of the ball.Moss...bleh, no thanks.

 

[Phurfur]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

Yeah, just what you want is a ticked off Randy Moss on your team. Go ahead NE franchise him!

 

[The Moz]

R. Moss > Harrison

Sorry as great a route runner and ball catcher he is - he not nearly as good as Randy !

 

[DoubleG]

R. Moss > Harrison Sorry as great a route runner and ball catcher he is - he not nearly as good as Randy!

Even as a Patriot detractor (which I guess makes me a Colts fan in many people's eyes) I agree. Moss has more TDs (and averages many more per year), averages more YPC, is 4 years younger and will likely end up with better carrer stats than Harrison in every category - and Moss hasn't had the benefit of playing with a HOF QB like Manning his entire career.Even in measurables: Moss 6' 4" and 215.Harrison 6' and 185.If Manning had had Moss instead of Harrison for the last 10 years, the GOAT QB question wouldn't be a question and the TD record would >>>>>50.

 

[David Yudkin]

I am amazed at the number of people who think that there is any realistic chance that Randy Moss will be on a different team next season. At this point, people might as well start threads on who will pick up Peyton Manning, as he has as much chance of being cut as Randy Moss has of being on the open market. Moss will either be re-signed or franchised.

 

[JohnnyU]

I am amazed at the number of people who think that there is any realistic chance that Randy Moss will be on a different team next season. At this point, people might as well start threads on who will pick up Peyton Manning, as he has as much chance of being cut as Randy Moss has of being on the open market. Moss will either be re-signed or franchised.

Can the Pats afford to pay Moss a top 5 salary of all WRs? Because that's exactly what they have to do if they franchise him. A far cry higher salary than what they paid him in 2007.

 

[Phurfur]

I am amazed at the number of people who think that there is any realistic chance that Randy Moss will be on a different team next season. At this point, people might as well start threads on who will pick up Peyton Manning, as he has as much chance of being cut as Randy Moss has of being on the open market. Moss will either be re-signed or franchised.

As I stated earlier:Yeah, just what you want is a ticked off Randy Moss on your team. Go ahead NE franchise him!

 

[nysfl2]

I am amazed at the number of people who think that there is any realistic chance that Randy Moss will be on a different team next season. At this point, people might as well start threads on who will pick up Peyton Manning, as he has as much chance of being cut as Randy Moss has of being on the open market. Moss will either be re-signed or franchised.

As I stated earlier:Yeah, just what you want is a ticked off Randy Moss on your team. Go ahead NE franchise him!

I agree with this, but I also think that Moss is likely to give New England a home-town discount to resign. He's made plenty of money over the course of his career, and was happier than he's been in about five years this year in New England. I would be shocked if he didn't resign with New England to make another run at a Super Bowl.

 

[David Yudkin]

I am amazed at the number of people who think that there is any realistic chance that Randy Moss will be on a different team next season. At this point, people might as well start threads on who will pick up Peyton Manning, as he has as much chance of being cut as Randy Moss has of being on the open market. Moss will either be re-signed or franchised.

Can the Pats afford to pay Moss a top 5 salary of all WRs? Because that's exactly what they have to do if they franchise him. A far cry higher salary than what they paid him in 2007.

Moss got $5 million this year. He would get $7.8 million if franchised. Asante Samuel got $7.8 million this year as a franchise player. They can't franchise Samuel again (and I highly doubt they will come close to signing Samuel). So they basically pay out the same amount of money to Moss as they did to Samuel.You don't think it's worth having a guy that set a record for TDs signed for $7.8 million? BTW, with Moss on the team, NE scored 204 more points than the season before. I don't care who they send out to replace Samuel . . . he won't cost them 200 points defensively.

 

[pizzatyme]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

Besides of course NE, theres four better teams in the AFC. Why would He sign with the Colts?

Nice trip there!

 

[David Yudkin]

I am amazed at the number of people who think that there is any realistic chance that Randy Moss will be on a different team next season. At this point, people might as well start threads on who will pick up Peyton Manning, as he has as much chance of being cut as Randy Moss has of being on the open market. Moss will either be re-signed or franchised.

As I stated earlier:Yeah, just what you want is a ticked off Randy Moss on your team. Go ahead NE franchise him!

Moss has been asked directly about being franchised, and he said that's what he would do if he were New England. He expects that he would be franchised this year AND next year.Again, I don't think it will come to that, but I am not seeing any hostility from Moss at this point. As others have said, he's the happiest he's ever been playing football. He wants to play for a winner. Sure, he might be able to get a huge pay day from a bottom feeder (if he were on the open market), but other contenders will likely have to offer him similar to what the Pats will offer him (and those teams may not have a QB that could keep him as productive as he was this year).

For those out of the loop with regard to NE's approach to signing players, the way Moss is acting currently is a far cry from the way others have acted in the past. Most ex-Patriots took a stand that they wanted out because they were getting mistreated and underpaid. Moss has not "gone there" at all and IMO it's a totally different situation (SO FAR). Things could change, but from anyone I've seen/talked to, the general prognosis is that Moss will be back and they will work something out.

 

[pizzatyme]

I am amazed at the number of people who think that there is any realistic chance that Randy Moss will be on a different team next season. At this point, people might as well start threads on who will pick up Peyton Manning, as he has as much chance of being cut as Randy Moss has of being on the open market. Moss will either be re-signed or franchised.

Can the Pats afford to pay Moss a top 5 salary of all WRs? Because that's exactly what they have to do if they franchise him. A far cry higher salary than what they paid him in 2007.

Moss got $5 million this year. He would get $7.8 million if franchised. Asante Samuel got $7.8 million this year as a franchise player. They can't franchise Samuel again (and I highly doubt they will come close to signing Samuel). So they basically pay out the same amount of money to Moss as they did to Samuel.You don't think it's worth having a guy that set a record for TDs signed for $7.8 million? BTW, with Moss on the team, NE scored 204 more points than the season before. I don't care who they send out to replace Samuel . . . he won't cost them 200 points defensively.

Ding! They can draft DB/DB/DB if they want to, after they lock up Moss.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

Besides of course NE, theres four better teams in the AFC. Why would He sign with the Colts?

Nice trip there!

1. NE2. Jack.

3. Pitt.

4. S.D.

5. Cleveland, yes Browns are better than the Colts going into next season.

Besides Miami can you name the only other team that went the season undefeated?

 

[switz]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

As a Colts fan and season ticket holder, no thanks to the thought of Moss.You obviously haven't seen Harrison like I have. You haven't seen him run amazing routes or make amazing catches only a few EVER in the game could have.The Colts don't prescribe to rent a SB appearance. The Pats got a "gift" from the Raiders and still couldn't win it. The Colts have a tendency to only take ex-Patriots if their wearing SB rings. That's not the case with Moss.

Harrison had 700 yards or so per season pre-Manning. Yes he's good, no doubt. But he's put up much better stats due to #18, than he would have w/o #18.

 

[switz]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

Besides of course NE, theres four better teams in the AFC. Why would He sign with the Colts?

Nice trip there!

1. NE2. Jack.

3. Pitt.

4. S.D.

5. Cleveland, yes Browns are better than the Colts going into next season.

Besides Miami can you name the only other team that went the season undefeated?

Well, remind me to ignore any FF ideas you put out there. I don't see how you could think ANY of those teams are better than INDY.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

Besides of course NE, theres four better teams in the AFC. Why would He sign with the Colts?

Nice trip there!

1. NE2. Jack.

3. Pitt.

4. S.D.

5. Cleveland, yes Browns are better than the Colts going into next season.

Besides Miami can you name the only other team that went the season undefeated?

Well, remind me to ignore any FF ideas you put out there. I don't see how you could think ANY of those teams are better than INDY.

Top four are already better. They proved it this year.Cleveland will prove it next year.

Watch and learn my friend. Colts are on there way to being just a average team again.

Sorry: Forgot to add, I'm 18-1 why wouldn't you listen to me.

 

[switz]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

Besides of course NE, theres four better teams in the AFC. Why would He sign with the Colts?

Nice trip there!

1. NE2. Jack.

3. Pitt.

4. S.D.

5. Cleveland, yes Browns are better than the Colts going into next season.

Besides Miami can you name the only other team that went the season undefeated?

Well, remind me to ignore any FF ideas you put out there. I don't see how you could think ANY of those teams are better than INDY.

Top four are already better. They proved it this year.

How?

Cleveland will prove it next year.

Watch and learn my friend. Colts are on there way to being just a average team again.

Only in your dreams

Sorry: Forgot to add, I'm 18-1 why wouldn't you listen to me.

I don't think you had anything to do with 18-1. In fact, even your namesake had very little to do with 18-1.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I am amazed at the number of people who think that there is any realistic chance that Randy Moss will be on a different team next season. At this point, people might as well start threads on who will pick up Peyton Manning, as he has as much chance of being cut as Randy Moss has of being on the open market. Moss will either be re-signed or franchised.

Can the Pats afford to pay Moss a top 5 salary of all WRs? Because that's exactly what they have to do if they franchise him. A far cry higher salary than what they paid him in 2007.

Moss got $5 million this year. He would get $7.8 million if franchised. Asante Samuel got $7.8 million this year as a franchise player. They can't franchise Samuel again (and I highly doubt they will come close to signing Samuel). So they basically pay out the same amount of money to Moss as they did to Samuel.You don't think it's worth having a guy that set a record for TDs signed for $7.8 million? BTW, with Moss on the team, NE scored 204 more points than the season before. I don't care who they send out to replace Samuel . . . he won't cost them 200 points defensively.

New England didn't win three Super Bowls by paying a lot of money to their skill position players. Resigning Moss will make it more difficult to upgrade the defense, which they need to, especially since Samuel is probably a goner. The Patriots can keep setting offensive records, but they aren't built to win in the playoffs like they were years ago.

 

[pizzatyme]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

Besides of course NE, theres four better teams in the AFC. Why would He sign with the Colts?

Nice trip there!

1. NE2. Jack.

3. Pitt.

4. S.D.

5. Cleveland, yes Browns are better than the Colts going into next season.

Besides Miami can you name the only other team that went the season undefeated?

Well, remind me to ignore any FF ideas you put out there. I don't see how you could think ANY of those teams are better than INDY.

Top four are already better. They proved it this year.

How?

Cleveland will prove it next year.

Watch and learn my friend. Colts are on there way to being just a average team again.

Only in your dreams

Sorry: Forgot to add, I'm 18-1 why wouldn't you listen to me.

I don't think you had anything to do with 18-1. In fact, even your namesake had very little to do with 18-1.

switz, why even humor him?

 

[pizzatyme]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

As a Colts fan and season ticket holder, no thanks to the thought of Moss.You obviously haven't seen Harrison like I have. You haven't seen him run amazing routes or make amazing catches only a few EVER in the game could have.The Colts don't prescribe to rent a SB appearance. The Pats got a "gift" from the Raiders and still couldn't win it. The Colts have a tendency to only take ex-Patriots if their wearing SB rings. That's not the case with Moss.

Harrison had 700 yards or so per season pre-Manning. Yes he's good, no doubt. But he's put up much better stats due to #18, than he would have w/o #18.

No doubt about it, but we are talking about a top 5 all-time QB and WR here. To say Gonzalez and Wayne are "clearly" better is just IMO.

 

[David Yudkin]

I am amazed at the number of people who think that there is any realistic chance that Randy Moss will be on a different team next season. At this point, people might as well start threads on who will pick up Peyton Manning, as he has as much chance of being cut as Randy Moss has of being on the open market. Moss will either be re-signed or franchised.

Can the Pats afford to pay Moss a top 5 salary of all WRs? Because that's exactly what they have to do if they franchise him. A far cry higher salary than what they paid him in 2007.

Moss got $5 million this year. He would get $7.8 million if franchised. Asante Samuel got $7.8 million this year as a franchise player. They can't franchise Samuel again (and I highly doubt they will come close to signing Samuel). So they basically pay out the same amount of money to Moss as they did to Samuel.You don't think it's worth having a guy that set a record for TDs signed for $7.8 million? BTW, with Moss on the team, NE scored 204 more points than the season before. I don't care who they send out to replace Samuel . . . he won't cost them 200 points defensively.

New England didn't win three Super Bowls by paying a lot of money to their skill position players. Resigning Moss will make it more difficult to upgrade the defense, which they need to, especially since Samuel is probably a goner. The Patriots can keep setting offensive records, but they aren't built to win in the playoffs like they were years ago.

We can agree to disagree on this one, but people are deciding things on the basis of a handful of plays in ONE GAME.Since you brought up the defense . . .In the post season, the 01 Pats allowed 14.3 ppg, the 03 team 19.0 ppg, and the 04 team gave up 17.0. The 07 Pats allowed 16.3 ppg.In terms of seasonal points allowed: 01 272, 03 238, 04 260, 07 274. They allowed only a few more points then they did in any of their title seasons.

 

[pizzatyme]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

Besides of course NE, theres four better teams in the AFC. Why would He sign with the Colts?

Nice trip there!

1. NE2. Jack.

3. Pitt.

4. S.D.

5. Cleveland, yes Browns are better than the Colts going into next season.

Besides Miami can you name the only other team that went the season undefeated?

Maroney, I try to give you respect and respond to your posts and then you come up with gems like this. Do you even know you're embarrassing yourself?

 

[Sopranos]

I am amazed at the number of people who think that there is any realistic chance that Randy Moss will be on a different team next season. At this point, people might as well start threads on who will pick up Peyton Manning, as he has as much chance of being cut as Randy Moss has of being on the open market. Moss will either be re-signed or franchised.

Can the Pats afford to pay Moss a top 5 salary of all WRs? Because that's exactly what they have to do if they franchise him. A far cry higher salary than what they paid him in 2007.

Moss got $5 million this year. He would get $7.8 million if franchised. Asante Samuel got $7.8 million this year as a franchise player. They can't franchise Samuel again (and I highly doubt they will come close to signing Samuel). So they basically pay out the same amount of money to Moss as they did to Samuel.You don't think it's worth having a guy that set a record for TDs signed for $7.8 million? BTW, with Moss on the team, NE scored 204 more points than the season before. I don't care who they send out to replace Samuel . . . he won't cost them 200 points defensively.

New England didn't win three Super Bowls by paying a lot of money to their skill position players. Resigning Moss will make it more difficult to upgrade the defense, which they need to, especially since Samuel is probably a goner. The Patriots can keep setting offensive records, but they aren't built to win in the playoffs like they were years ago.

We can agree to disagree on this one, but people are deciding things on the basis of a handful of plays in ONE GAME.Since you brought up the defense . . .In the post season, the 01 Pats allowed 14.3 ppg, the 03 team 19.0 ppg, and the 04 team gave up 17.0. The 07 Pats allowed 16.3 ppg.In terms of seasonal points allowed: 01 272, 03 238, 04 260, 07 274. They allowed only a few more points then they did in any of their title seasons.

With all do respect, they lost. They get the same credit as Chi. last season, None. Its just the way it is. Its all or nothing in the NFL. The regular season counts more in every major sport more IMO. All you have to do in the NFL is make the playoffs and you have a great chance IF your Hungry. Look at Pitts Indy and NY. Did they have home fileld, NO, they just wanted it more..

 

[David Yudkin]

I am amazed at the number of people who think that there is any realistic chance that Randy Moss will be on a different team next season. At this point, people might as well start threads on who will pick up Peyton Manning, as he has as much chance of being cut as Randy Moss has of being on the open market. Moss will either be re-signed or franchised.

Can the Pats afford to pay Moss a top 5 salary of all WRs? Because that's exactly what they have to do if they franchise him. A far cry higher salary than what they paid him in 2007.

Moss got $5 million this year. He would get $7.8 million if franchised. Asante Samuel got $7.8 million this year as a franchise player. They can't franchise Samuel again (and I highly doubt they will come close to signing Samuel). So they basically pay out the same amount of money to Moss as they did to Samuel.You don't think it's worth having a guy that set a record for TDs signed for $7.8 million? BTW, with Moss on the team, NE scored 204 more points than the season before. I don't care who they send out to replace Samuel . . . he won't cost them 200 points defensively.

New England didn't win three Super Bowls by paying a lot of money to their skill position players. Resigning Moss will make it more difficult to upgrade the defense, which they need to, especially since Samuel is probably a goner. The Patriots can keep setting offensive records, but they aren't built to win in the playoffs like they were years ago.

We can agree to disagree on this one, but people are deciding things on the basis of a handful of plays in ONE GAME.Since you brought up the defense . . .In the post season, the 01 Pats allowed 14.3 ppg, the 03 team 19.0 ppg, and the 04 team gave up 17.0. The 07 Pats allowed 16.3 ppg.In terms of seasonal points allowed: 01 272, 03 238, 04 260, 07 274. They allowed only a few more points then they did in any of their title seasons.

With all do respect, they lost. They get the same credit as Chi. last season, None. Its just the way it is. Its all or nothing in the NFL. The regular season counts more in every major sport more IMO. All you have to do in the NFL is make the playoffs and you have a great chance IF your Hungry. Look at Pitts Indy and NY. Did they have home fileld, NO, they just wanted it more..

My point was . . . they didn't lose this year in the SB because of their defense. They lost because they only scored 14 points.

 

[boilerdave]

1. NE

2. Jack.

3. Pitt.

4. S.D.

5. Cleveland, yes Browns are better than the Colts going into next season.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I am amazed at the number of people who think that there is any realistic chance that Randy Moss will be on a different team next season. At this point, people might as well start threads on who will pick up Peyton Manning, as he has as much chance of being cut as Randy Moss has of being on the open market. Moss will either be re-signed or franchised.

Can the Pats afford to pay Moss a top 5 salary of all WRs? Because that's exactly what they have to do if they franchise him. A far cry higher salary than what they paid him in 2007.

Moss got $5 million this year. He would get $7.8 million if franchised. Asante Samuel got $7.8 million this year as a franchise player. They can't franchise Samuel again (and I highly doubt they will come close to signing Samuel). So they basically pay out the same amount of money to Moss as they did to Samuel.You don't think it's worth having a guy that set a record for TDs signed for $7.8 million? BTW, with Moss on the team, NE scored 204 more points than the season before. I don't care who they send out to replace Samuel . . . he won't cost them 200 points defensively.

New England didn't win three Super Bowls by paying a lot of money to their skill position players. Resigning Moss will make it more difficult to upgrade the defense, which they need to, especially since Samuel is probably a goner. The Patriots can keep setting offensive records, but they aren't built to win in the playoffs like they were years ago.

We can agree to disagree on this one, but people are deciding things on the basis of a handful of plays in ONE GAME.Since you brought up the defense . . .In the post season, the 01 Pats allowed 14.3 ppg, the 03 team 19.0 ppg, and the 04 team gave up 17.0. The 07 Pats allowed 16.3 ppg.In terms of seasonal points allowed: 01 272, 03 238, 04 260, 07 274. They allowed only a few more points then they did in any of their title seasons.

With all do respect, they lost. They get the same credit as Chi. last season, None. Its just the way it is. Its all or nothing in the NFL. The regular season counts more in every major sport more IMO. All you have to do in the NFL is make the playoffs and you have a great chance IF your Hungry. Look at Pitts Indy and NY. Did they have home fileld, NO, they just wanted it more..

My point was . . . they didn't lose this year in the SB because of their defense. They lost because they only scored 14 points.

Right, but how much did they run the ball in the Super Bowl? It makes sense that a defense is going to wear down if they are on the field the whole game because your offense cannot keep the ball because they are trying to throw the ball all day. Running the ball, playing a good defense, and Tom Brady making plays in the passing game: those are the reasons why the Patriots won three Super Bowls. If Moss comes back, the Patriots will still have a heavy emphasis on throwing the ball, and as was shown at the Super Bowl yet again, teams that throw the ball with reckless abandon never win the Super Bowl, not to mention that they won't have as much money to work with to give the defense a much-needed upgrade.Plus, you cannot help but wonder if Moss will give his all once he gets paid. He doesn't exactly have a sparkling history of playing hard all of the time, not to mention that he didn't give much on an effort on that 3rd down bomb at the end of the Super Bowl; that was a catch he probably could have made had he tried to out-leap the DBs, but in classic Randy Moss fashion, he didn't give maximum effort.

 

[pizzatyme]

I am amazed at the number of people who think that there is any realistic chance that Randy Moss will be on a different team next season. At this point, people might as well start threads on who will pick up Peyton Manning, as he has as much chance of being cut as Randy Moss has of being on the open market. Moss will either be re-signed or franchised.

Can the Pats afford to pay Moss a top 5 salary of all WRs? Because that's exactly what they have to do if they franchise him. A far cry higher salary than what they paid him in 2007.

Moss got $5 million this year. He would get $7.8 million if franchised. Asante Samuel got $7.8 million this year as a franchise player. They can't franchise Samuel again (and I highly doubt they will come close to signing Samuel). So they basically pay out the same amount of money to Moss as they did to Samuel.You don't think it's worth having a guy that set a record for TDs signed for $7.8 million? BTW, with Moss on the team, NE scored 204 more points than the season before. I don't care who they send out to replace Samuel . . . he won't cost them 200 points defensively.

New England didn't win three Super Bowls by paying a lot of money to their skill position players. Resigning Moss will make it more difficult to upgrade the defense, which they need to, especially since Samuel is probably a goner. The Patriots can keep setting offensive records, but they aren't built to win in the playoffs like they were years ago.

We can agree to disagree on this one, but people are deciding things on the basis of a handful of plays in ONE GAME.Since you brought up the defense . . .In the post season, the 01 Pats allowed 14.3 ppg, the 03 team 19.0 ppg, and the 04 team gave up 17.0. The 07 Pats allowed 16.3 ppg.In terms of seasonal points allowed: 01 272, 03 238, 04 260, 07 274. They allowed only a few more points then they did in any of their title seasons.

With all do respect, they lost. They get the same credit as Chi. last season, None. Its just the way it is. Its all or nothing in the NFL. The regular season counts more in every major sport more IMO. All you have to do in the NFL is make the playoffs and you have a great chance IF your Hungry. Look at Pitts Indy and NY. Did they have home fileld, NO, they just wanted it more..

My point was . . . they didn't lose this year in the SB because of their defense. They lost because they only scored 14 points.

Some might say their QB choked. As much as I want to believe that, I'm not so sure.I do think their starters were tired from playing hard late into so many games this year trying to prepare for playing hard and scoring late in the SB. They either didn't learn how to score late or they were tired.

 

[David Yudkin]

I am amazed at the number of people who think that there is any realistic chance that Randy Moss will be on a different team next season. At this point, people might as well start threads on who will pick up Peyton Manning, as he has as much chance of being cut as Randy Moss has of being on the open market. Moss will either be re-signed or franchised.

Can the Pats afford to pay Moss a top 5 salary of all WRs? Because that's exactly what they have to do if they franchise him. A far cry higher salary than what they paid him in 2007.

Moss got $5 million this year. He would get $7.8 million if franchised. Asante Samuel got $7.8 million this year as a franchise player. They can't franchise Samuel again (and I highly doubt they will come close to signing Samuel). So they basically pay out the same amount of money to Moss as they did to Samuel.You don't think it's worth having a guy that set a record for TDs signed for $7.8 million? BTW, with Moss on the team, NE scored 204 more points than the season before. I don't care who they send out to replace Samuel . . . he won't cost them 200 points defensively.

New England didn't win three Super Bowls by paying a lot of money to their skill position players. Resigning Moss will make it more difficult to upgrade the defense, which they need to, especially since Samuel is probably a goner. The Patriots can keep setting offensive records, but they aren't built to win in the playoffs like they were years ago.

We can agree to disagree on this one, but people are deciding things on the basis of a handful of plays in ONE GAME.Since you brought up the defense . . .In the post season, the 01 Pats allowed 14.3 ppg, the 03 team 19.0 ppg, and the 04 team gave up 17.0. The 07 Pats allowed 16.3 ppg.In terms of seasonal points allowed: 01 272, 03 238, 04 260, 07 274. They allowed only a few more points then they did in any of their title seasons.

With all do respect, they lost. They get the same credit as Chi. last season, None. Its just the way it is. Its all or nothing in the NFL. The regular season counts more in every major sport more IMO. All you have to do in the NFL is make the playoffs and you have a great chance IF your Hungry. Look at Pitts Indy and NY. Did they have home fileld, NO, they just wanted it more..

My point was . . . they didn't lose this year in the SB because of their defense. They lost because they only scored 14 points.

Some might say their QB choked. As much as I want to believe that, I'm not so sure.I do think their starters were tired from playing hard late into so many games this year trying to prepare for playing hard and scoring late in the SB. They either didn't learn how to score late or they were tired.

Or maybe they just got outplayed in a game for once.And that's kind of my point. People are wanting to make rash decisions based on them losing a game by 3 points in the last 30 seconds.

 

[mozzy84]

I am amazed at the number of people who think that there is any realistic chance that Randy Moss will be on a different team next season. At this point, people might as well start threads on who will pick up Peyton Manning, as he has as much chance of being cut as Randy Moss has of being on the open market. Moss will either be re-signed or franchised.

Can the Pats afford to pay Moss a top 5 salary of all WRs? Because that's exactly what they have to do if they franchise him. A far cry higher salary than what they paid him in 2007.

Moss got $5 million this year. He would get $7.8 million if franchised. Asante Samuel got $7.8 million this year as a franchise player. They can't franchise Samuel again (and I highly doubt they will come close to signing Samuel). So they basically pay out the same amount of money to Moss as they did to Samuel.You don't think it's worth having a guy that set a record for TDs signed for $7.8 million? BTW, with Moss on the team, NE scored 204 more points than the season before. I don't care who they send out to replace Samuel . . . he won't cost them 200 points defensively.

New England didn't win three Super Bowls by paying a lot of money to their skill position players. Resigning Moss will make it more difficult to upgrade the defense, which they need to, especially since Samuel is probably a goner. The Patriots can keep setting offensive records, but they aren't built to win in the playoffs like they were years ago.

We can agree to disagree on this one, but people are deciding things on the basis of a handful of plays in ONE GAME.Since you brought up the defense . . .

In the post season, the 01 Pats allowed 14.3 ppg, the 03 team 19.0 ppg, and the 04 team gave up 17.0. The 07 Pats allowed 16.3 ppg.

In terms of seasonal points allowed: 01 272, 03 238, 04 260, 07 274. They allowed only a few more points then they did in any of their title seasons.

With all do respect, they lost. They get the same credit as Chi. last season, None. Its just the way it is. Its all or nothing in the NFL. The regular season counts more in every major sport more IMO. All you have to do in the NFL is make the playoffs and you have a great chance IF your Hungry. Look at Pitts Indy and NY. Did they have home fileld, NO, they just wanted it more..

My point was . . . they didn't lose this year in the SB because of their defense. They lost because they only scored 14 points.

Right, but how much did they run the ball in the Super Bowl? It makes sense that a defense is going to wear down if they are on the field the whole game because your offense cannot keep the ball because they are trying to throw the ball all day. Running the ball, playing a good defense, and Tom Brady making plays in the passing game: those are the reasons why the Patriots won three Super Bowls. If Moss comes back, the Patriots will still have a heavy emphasis on throwing the ball, and as was shown at the Super Bowl yet again, teams that throw the ball with reckless abandon never win the Super Bowl, not to mention that they won't have as much money to work with to give the defense a much-needed upgrade.Plus, you cannot help but wonder if Moss will give his all once he gets paid. He doesn't exactly have a sparkling history of playing hard all of the time, not to mention that he didn't give much on an effort on that 3rd down bomb at the end of the Super Bowl; that was a catch he probably could have made had he tried to out-leap the DBs, but in classic Randy Moss fashion, he didn't give maximum effort.

it was a bomb into double coverage

 

[Neo]

I am amazed at the number of people who think that there is any realistic chance that Randy Moss will be on a different team next season. At this point, people might as well start threads on who will pick up Peyton Manning, as he has as much chance of being cut as Randy Moss has of being on the open market. Moss will either be re-signed or franchised.

Can the Pats afford to pay Moss a top 5 salary of all WRs? Because that's exactly what they have to do if they franchise him. A far cry higher salary than what they paid him in 2007.

Moss got $5 million this year. He would get $7.8 million if franchised. Asante Samuel got $7.8 million this year as a franchise player. They can't franchise Samuel again (and I highly doubt they will come close to signing Samuel). So they basically pay out the same amount of money to Moss as they did to Samuel.You don't think it's worth having a guy that set a record for TDs signed for $7.8 million? BTW, with Moss on the team, NE scored 204 more points than the season before. I don't care who they send out to replace Samuel . . . he won't cost them 200 points defensively.

New England didn't win three Super Bowls by paying a lot of money to their skill position players. Resigning Moss will make it more difficult to upgrade the defense, which they need to, especially since Samuel is probably a goner. The Patriots can keep setting offensive records, but they aren't built to win in the playoffs like they were years ago.

We can agree to disagree on this one, but people are deciding things on the basis of a handful of plays in ONE GAME.Since you brought up the defense . . .

In the post season, the 01 Pats allowed 14.3 ppg, the 03 team 19.0 ppg, and the 04 team gave up 17.0. The 07 Pats allowed 16.3 ppg.

In terms of seasonal points allowed: 01 272, 03 238, 04 260, 07 274. They allowed only a few more points then they did in any of their title seasons.

With all do respect, they lost. They get the same credit as Chi. last season, None. Its just the way it is. Its all or nothing in the NFL. The regular season counts more in every major sport more IMO. All you have to do in the NFL is make the playoffs and you have a great chance IF your Hungry. Look at Pitts Indy and NY. Did they have home fileld, NO, they just wanted it more..

My point was . . . they didn't lose this year in the SB because of their defense. They lost because they only scored 14 points.

Right, but how much did they run the ball in the Super Bowl? It makes sense that a defense is going to wear down if they are on the field the whole game because your offense cannot keep the ball because they are trying to throw the ball all day. Running the ball, playing a good defense, and Tom Brady making plays in the passing game: those are the reasons why the Patriots won three Super Bowls. If Moss comes back, the Patriots will still have a heavy emphasis on throwing the ball, and as was shown at the Super Bowl yet again, teams that throw the ball with reckless abandon never win the Super Bowl, not to mention that they won't have as much money to work with to give the defense a much-needed upgrade.Plus, you cannot help but wonder if Moss will give his all once he gets paid. He doesn't exactly have a sparkling history of playing hard all of the time, not to mention that he didn't give much on an effort on that 3rd down bomb at the end of the Super Bowl; that was a catch he probably could have made had he tried to out-leap the DBs, but in classic Randy Moss fashion, he didn't give maximum effort.

it was a bomb into double coverage

I just rewatched the whole Super Bowl over the weekend and I remember reading multiple times posters saying how Moss dogged it in the Super Bowl. WHERE?! The guy made a couple of ridiculously good catches....was open a bunch of times deep (Brady couldn't get him the ball) and caught the game winning TD, at the time. I honestly don't know what game these people were watching.

 

[pizzatyme]

quote name='Ghost Rider' post='8182413' date='Feb 11 2008, 06:59 PM']not to mention that he didn't give much on an effort on that 3rd down bomb at the end of the Super Bowl; that was a catch he probably could have made had he tried to out-leap the DBs, but in classic Randy Moss fashion, he didn't give maximum effort.

it was a bomb into double coverage

Although I don't agree with the premise Moss wasn't trying, to be fair, I do recall most of the bombs tossed this year were into double coverage. The arrogance didn't pay off this time.

 

[twitch]

I cant figure out what's worse here. Complete and utter failure in the Superbowl due to alleged 'arrogance' or complete and utter failure in a divisional round playoff game due to, well, god only knows?? Im pretty sure Indy would have welcomed the opportunity to choke in the biggest game of the year. But of course, they simply werent good enough to make it that far. Or they simply choked. Call it what you want. But atleast New England's 'arrogance' actually earned them a couple of wins over formidable teams before their meltdown occurred. Losing their 1st playoff game simply wasnt an option.

Some of you guys need to just chill out this offseason, let go of the anti-Patriot obsession, get back to loving your own teams, give the Giants credit for actually earning a great win, and move on. Start over. Hope each of your favorite teams improve. And come gunning again next year. The 'hate' made the season a little different than any I can recently recall, but the novelty of it has expired.

Randy Moss will probably remain a Patriot. The Colts will probably draft well. They'll both be good and contend next year, but Im not sure either team is going to be clearly better than either San Diego or Jacksonville. Those 2 teams are close and coming on strong. Its gonna be anyone's game in '08.

 

[Clifton]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

As a Colts fan and season ticket holder, no thanks to the thought of Moss.You obviously haven't seen Harrison like I have. You haven't seen him run amazing routes or make amazing catches only a few EVER in the game could have.The Colts don't prescribe to rent a SB appearance. The Pats got a "gift" from the Raiders and still couldn't win it. The Colts have a tendency to only take ex-Patriots if their wearing SB rings. That's not the case with Moss.

Your avatar speaks volumes.

 

[switz]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

As a Colts fan and season ticket holder, no thanks to the thought of Moss.You obviously haven't seen Harrison like I have. You haven't seen him run amazing routes or make amazing catches only a few EVER in the game could have.The Colts don't prescribe to rent a SB appearance. The Pats got a "gift" from the Raiders and still couldn't win it. The Colts have a tendency to only take ex-Patriots if their wearing SB rings. That's not the case with Moss.

Harrison had 700 yards or so per season pre-Manning. Yes he's good, no doubt. But he's put up much better stats due to #18, than he would have w/o #18.

No doubt about it, but we are talking about a top 5 all-time QB and WR here. To say Gonzalez and Wayne are "clearly" better is just IMO.

Oh, without a doubt. I don't think either of them are better than Harrison.

 

[switz]

I cant figure out what's worse here. Complete and utter failure in the Superbowl due to alleged 'arrogance' or complete and utter failure in a divisional round playoff game due to, well, god only knows?? Im pretty sure Indy would have welcomed the opportunity to choke in the biggest game of the year. But of course, they simply werent good enough to make it that far. Or they simply choked. Call it what you want. But at least New England's 'arrogance' actually earned them a couple of wins over formidable teams before their meltdown occurred. Losing their 1st playoff game simply wasnt an option.

Delusional Pats fan at work here AS that game was hashed and rehashed here, the fault was clearly with the defense. The Chargers scored 28 points, and Indy was without some key defensive players. Manning led the offense to 24 points, no not enough to win, but clearly not "choking."On the other hand, the Patriots mustered up what 14 points? Yes it was against a good D, but 14 points? By the #1 offense in the NFL?I don't think you know the definition of choking if you think Indy did and NE didn't.As far as beating "formidable" teams? LOL!!! NE beat JAX, who were one dimensional. Then they beat SD, which was without it's top-3 offensive players. Neither of those games should have been a challenge at all.

 

[pizzatyme]

I cant figure out what's worse here. Complete and utter failure in the Superbowl due to alleged 'arrogance' or complete and utter failure in a divisional round playoff game due to, well, god only knows?? Im pretty sure Indy would have welcomed the opportunity to choke in the biggest game of the year. But of course, they simply werent good enough to make it that far. Or they simply choked. Call it what you want. But atleast New England's 'arrogance' actually earned them a couple of wins over formidable teams before their meltdown occurred. Losing their 1st playoff game simply wasnt an option. Some of you guys need to just chill out this offseason, let go of the anti-Patriot obsession, get back to loving your own teams, give the Giants credit for actually earning a great win, and move on. Start over. Hope each of your favorite teams improve. And come gunning again next year. The 'hate' made the season a little different than any I can recently recall, but the novelty of it has expired. Randy Moss will probably remain a Patriot. The Colts will probably draft well. They'll both be good and contend next year, but Im not sure either team is going to be clearly better than either San Diego or Jacksonville. Those 2 teams are close and coming on strong. Its gonna be anyone's game in '08.

Come on twitch, we have to put up with YEARS of bs from a bunch of arrogant Patriots fans and now are expected to drop it like a hot rock?The Pats choked the biggest choke in the modern football era. They:"played to win the games" not blow people out"if you don't want them to score, then stop them" when running it up on helplessly weak opponents"were going to beat your favorite team, and you're going to have to like it""were practicing (unlike the Colts of 2004) by playing starters late into blowouts" to "practice" for times like the Super BowlNeed I search for more arrogance amongst the past and present threads?You were more reasonable than most, but even you showed arrogance this season. Take your medicine like a man. The jist of this thread was to suggest that Moss, if he wanted to, could choose to play for the Colts (salary cap permitting) and they'd be giddy to have him.Some suggest I'm a homer for not agreeing with this. That is true.I honestly feel there was complete arrogance shown by the Patriots all season long, throwing jump balls deep to Moss into double teams, throwing on 4th down with fake spikes, etc. when the game was well in hand.There was no excuse for the Patriots to lose, they lost.Now you can feel what other team's fans have felt recently, and to a greater degree!18*-1 will forever be the ultimate choke job. You're right, the Patriots are the 1st loser, much better than the Colts.Let's hope it motivates them to come back and win every game next season by 50 so they can do it all over again.Bring on next season!

 

[pizzatyme]

I cant figure out what's worse here. Complete and utter failure in the Superbowl due to alleged 'arrogance' or complete and utter failure in a divisional round playoff game due to, well, god only knows?? Im pretty sure Indy would have welcomed the opportunity to choke in the biggest game of the year. But of course, they simply werent good enough to make it that far. Or they simply choked. Call it what you want. But at least New England's 'arrogance' actually earned them a couple of wins over formidable teams before their meltdown occurred. Losing their 1st playoff game simply wasnt an option.

Delusional Pats fan at work here AS that game was hashed and rehashed here, the fault was clearly with the defense. The Chargers scored 28 points, and Indy was without some key defensive players.

Manning led the offense to 24 points, no not enough to win, but clearly not "choking."

On the other hand, the Patriots mustered up what 14 points? Yes it was against a good D, but 14 points? By the #1 offense in the HISTORY of theNFL?

I don't think you know the definition of choking if you think Indy did and NE didn't.

As far as beating "formidable" teams? LOL!!! NE beat JAX, who were one dimensional. Then they beat SD, which was without it's top-3 offensive players. Neither of those games should have been a challenge at all.

fixed

 

[Donnybrook]

With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

This blows my mind.......you can't be serious.

 

[FUBAR]

The bottom line is, the Colts don't sell out to for the chance to be considered one of the biggest SB choking teams of all time, so your little dream is irrelevant!

All the personal BS aside (are you having a rough day or what?) this is actually a good point.How many blue chip FAs have the Colts signed recently? How many have they brought in with trades?

The Colts don't bring in high priced FA. It's not who Polian is. If you look at the Colts roster, it is mostly build from the draft.

Except for DT's And even then, it's not "blue chip" or "high priced"...but borderline. And it seems like they finally hit on a few DL's these last couple drafts; they'd been severly missing on those the prior 3-4 drafts. My $0.02. I'd rather see Ocho. That guy catches a lot of shiz, but I honestly sympathize with the guy. He's in a crap (football) city that just can't seem to get outta it's own way. He's forced to go to extremes just to stuggle to keep the Bungles "relevant" in the overall scheme of the NFL. Put that guy on the Colts, and he's a superstar who would realize he doesn't need the antics at all. He'd just be great, and would continue to build that edge/attitude that's budding in our defensive backend, but bring it to the O side of the ball.Moss...bleh, no thanks.

Similar to the Patriots, they don't go after overpriced players, but will take value when it's presented. Moss is not value this year. Either is 85, ergo neither will be a Colt. I'll be surprised if Indy signs anyone of note this year.

 

[Road Warriors]

There was no excuse for the Patriots to lose, they lost.

Now you can feel what other team's fans have felt recently, and to a greater degree!

18*-1 will forever be the ultimate choke job. You're right, the Patriots are the 1st loser, much better than the Colts.

Let's hope it motivates them to come back and win every game next season by 50 so they can do it all over again the last game of the season.

Bring on next season!

Thats better. See ya in '08.