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Randy Moss a Colt? (1 Viewer)

twitch said:
I cant figure out what's worse here. Complete and utter failure in the Superbowl due to alleged 'arrogance' or complete and utter failure in a divisional round playoff game due to, well, god only knows?? Im pretty sure Indy would have welcomed the opportunity to choke in the biggest game of the year. But of course, they simply werent good enough to make it that far. Or they simply choked. Call it what you want. But at least New England's 'arrogance' actually earned them a couple of wins over formidable teams before their meltdown occurred. Losing their 1st playoff game simply wasnt an option.
Delusional Pats fan at work here :lmao: AS that game was hashed and rehashed here, the fault was clearly with the defense. The Chargers scored 28 points, and Indy was without some key defensive players. Manning led the offense to 24 points, no not enough to win, but clearly not "choking."On the other hand, the Patriots mustered up what 14 points? Yes it was against a good D, but 14 points? By the #1 offense in the NFL?I don't think you know the definition of choking if you think Indy did and NE didn't.As far as beating "formidable" teams? LOL!!! NE beat JAX, who were one dimensional. Then they beat SD, which was without it's top-3 offensive players. Neither of those games should have been a challenge at all. :no:
Frankly, your comments about anything relative to New England football arent worth even discussing. And you forfeited any valid case to talk smack after they initially choked against New England earlier this year, then choked again looking past a team without its top 3 offensive players. Stick with a team that you like, actually know something about, and dont hate, rendering your opinions pretty much worthless. And let me save you the effort here - New England sucks, theyre arrogant cheaters, their fans are the worst and most obnoxious in football, Tom Brady is overrated and only thrives because he has the greatest Oline of all time, and they just pulled the biggest choke job in American history. That about covers it. Hate on, young fella. Oh, almost forgot. LMAO. :lmao: That'll make it seem like I actually enjoy responding to your commentary. How 'bout a thumbs up for good measure. :)
 
Isn't the juvenile stupidity (personal insults) supposed to stop in the off-season, or is it not far enough out from the SB yet?

 
Isn't the juvenile stupidity (personal insults) supposed to stop in the off-season, or is it not far enough out from the SB yet?
:goodposting: It's funny, I was always told those that try to bring you down are not worth the time of day.Plus knowledge always comes out in the end, He who makes fun of your knowledge gets an C on test.You get an A. Funny thing is that person would say He still did better than you did. :kicksrock:
 
twitch said:
I cant figure out what's worse here. Complete and utter failure in the Superbowl due to alleged 'arrogance' or complete and utter failure in a divisional round playoff game due to, well, god only knows?? Im pretty sure Indy would have welcomed the opportunity to choke in the biggest game of the year. But of course, they simply werent good enough to make it that far. Or they simply choked. Call it what you want. But at least New England's 'arrogance' actually earned them a couple of wins over formidable teams before their meltdown occurred. Losing their 1st playoff game simply wasnt an option.
Delusional Pats fan at work here :lmao: AS that game was hashed and rehashed here, the fault was clearly with the defense. The Chargers scored 28 points, and Indy was without some key defensive players.

Manning led the offense to 24 points, no not enough to win, but clearly not "choking."

On the other hand, the Patriots mustered up what 14 points? Yes it was against a good D, but 14 points? By the #1 offense in the NFL?

I don't think you know the definition of choking if you think Indy did and NE didn't.

As far as beating "formidable" teams? LOL!!! NE beat JAX, who were one dimensional. Then they beat SD, which was without it's top-3 offensive players. Neither of those games should have been a challenge at all. :no:
Frankly, your comments about anything relative to New England football arent worth even discussing. And you forfeited any valid case to talk smack after they initially choked against New England earlier this year, then choked again looking past a team without its top 3 offensive players. Stick with a team that you like, actually know something about, and dont hate, rendering your opinions pretty much worthless. And let me save you the effort here - New England sucks, theyre arrogant cheaters, their fans are the worst and most obnoxious in football, Tom Brady is overrated and only thrives because he has the greatest Oline of all time, and they just pulled the biggest choke job in American history. That about covers it. Hate on, young fella. Oh, almost forgot. LMAO. :lmao: That'll make it seem like I actually enjoy responding to your commentary. How 'bout a thumbs up for good measure. :excited:
That part is true.
 
twitch said:
I cant figure out what's worse here. Complete and utter failure in the Superbowl due to alleged 'arrogance' or complete and utter failure in a divisional round playoff game due to, well, god only knows?? Im pretty sure Indy would have welcomed the opportunity to choke in the biggest game of the year. But of course, they simply werent good enough to make it that far. Or they simply choked. Call it what you want. But at least New England's 'arrogance' actually earned them a couple of wins over formidable teams before their meltdown occurred. Losing their 1st playoff game simply wasnt an option.
Delusional Pats fan at work here :yawn: AS that game was hashed and rehashed here, the fault was clearly with the defense. The Chargers scored 28 points, and Indy was without some key defensive players.

Manning led the offense to 24 points, no not enough to win, but clearly not "choking."

On the other hand, the Patriots mustered up what 14 points? Yes it was against a good D, but 14 points? By the #1 offense in the NFL?

I don't think you know the definition of choking if you think Indy did and NE didn't.

As far as beating "formidable" teams? LOL!!! NE beat JAX, who were one dimensional. Then they beat SD, which was without it's top-3 offensive players. Neither of those games should have been a challenge at all. :no:
Frankly, your comments about anything relative to New England football arent worth even discussing. And you forfeited any valid case to talk smack after they initially choked against New England earlier this year, then choked again looking past a team without its top 3 offensive players. Stick with a team that you like, actually know something about, and dont hate, rendering your opinions pretty much worthless. And let me save you the effort here - New England sucks, theyre arrogant cheaters, their fans are the worst and most obnoxious in football, Tom Brady is overrated and only thrives because he has the greatest Oline of all time, and they just pulled the biggest choke job in American history. That about covers it. Hate on, young fella. Oh, almost forgot. LMAO. :D That'll make it seem like I actually enjoy responding to your commentary. How 'bout a thumbs up for good measure. :confused:
That part is true.
Your a fan of?
 
1. NE

2. Jack.

3. Pitt.

4. S.D.

5. Cleveland, yes Browns are better than the Colts going into next season. :popcorn:
I guess will have to wait and see.
Until then, the Indianapolis Colts are the reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions.
You bring so much to this message board. Good Job. :confused:
:bag: Thanks! I can why you think this way, since what I said is a statement of fact. Whereas what you've posted here is your opinion, which you try to state as a fact. See the difference?
 
With the Colt's salary cap situation there is no way this happens... But what if Randy Moss doesn't sign with the Patriots and the Patriots don't franchise him (stupid!) and he decided the Colts were his best chance to win a Superbowl next year with the current trend of Manning Superbowl MVPs? Could you imagine Randy Moss opposite of Wayne with Gonzo in the slot and Clark at TE? That'd be nuts... I'm also assuming that Marvin Harrison retires (I actually hope he does, I've always thought of Marvin as more of a product of 18 and now he'd just be stunting the development of Gonzo).

:football:
Besides of course NE, theres four better teams in the AFC. Why would He sign with the Colts?
Nice :fishing: trip there!
Besides Miami can you name the only other team that went the season undefeated? ;)
1948 Cleveland Browns.. There have only been 2 undefeated teams.
 
Ghost Rider said:
Maroney=Speed said:
pizzatyme said:
1. NE

2. Jack.

3. Pitt.

4. S.D.

5. Cleveland, yes Browns are better than the Colts going into next season. :lmao:
I guess will have to wait and see.
Until then, the Indianapolis Colts are the reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions.
You bring so much to this message board. Good Job. :boxing:
As do you. :boxing: :lmao: :sarcasm:
No, I just happen to see things before most do, and report here about it.Take flak for it, and than I happen to be correct.

Most like to say how wrong someone is before it happens. Without saying what they think will happen.

I guess I will call this group the 'pack', so your part of the 'pack' or just a follower.

Either way, it's all good.

So who do you think will be the six AFC teams to make the playoffs next year?

You can seed them who just list 6 teams, remember 6 teams make it in the AFC.

 
Ghost Rider said:
Maroney=Speed said:
pizzatyme said:
1. NE

2. Jack.

3. Pitt.

4. S.D.

5. Cleveland, yes Browns are better than the Colts going into next season. :lmao:
I guess will have to wait and see.
Until then, the Indianapolis Colts are the reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions.
You bring so much to this message board. Good Job. :thumbup:
As do you. :thumbup: :thumbup: :sarcasm:
No, I just happen to see things before most do, and report here about it.Take flak for it, and than I happen to be correct.

Most like to say how wrong someone is before it happens. Without saying what they think will happen.

I guess I will call this group the 'pack', so your part of the 'pack' or just a follower.

Either way, it's all good.

So who do you think will be the six AFC teams to make the playoffs next year?

You can seed them who just list 6 teams, remember 6 teams make it in the AFC.
"you're"What do you see before most do?

 
Ghost Rider said:
Maroney=Speed said:
pizzatyme said:
1. NE

2. Jack.

3. Pitt.

4. S.D.

5. Cleveland, yes Browns are better than the Colts going into next season. :lmao:
I guess will have to wait and see.
Until then, the Indianapolis Colts are the reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions.
You bring so much to this message board. Good Job. :thumbdown:
As do you. :eek: :thumbup: :sarcasm:
No, I just happen to see things before most do, and report here about it.Take flak for it, and than I happen to be correct.

Most like to say how wrong someone is before it happens. Without saying what they think will happen.

I guess I will call this group the 'pack', so your part of the 'pack' or just a follower.

Either way, it's all good.

So who do you think will be the six AFC teams to make the playoffs next year?

You can seed them who just list 6 teams, remember 6 teams make it in the AFC.
"you're"What do you see before most do?
Dead people? :shrug: Stand back everyone, we're dealing with a clairvoyant here......

 
Ghost Rider said:
Maroney=Speed said:
pizzatyme said:
1. NE

2. Jack.

3. Pitt.

4. S.D.

5. Cleveland, yes Browns are better than the Colts going into next season. :lmao:
I guess will have to wait and see.
Until then, the Indianapolis Colts are the reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions.
You bring so much to this message board. Good Job. :rolleyes:
As do you. :thumbup: :thumbup: :sarcasm:
No, I just happen to see things before most do, and report here about it.Take flak for it, and than I happen to be correct.

Most like to say how wrong someone is before it happens. Without saying what they think will happen.

I guess I will call this group the 'pack', so your part of the 'pack' or just a follower.

Either way, it's all good.

So who do you think will be the six AFC teams to make the playoffs next year?

You can seed them who just list 6 teams, remember 6 teams make it in the AFC.
Ummm, did you "see" the Patriots choking in the Super Bowl? I mean, before it really happened, that is.

 
Ghost Rider said:
Maroney=Speed said:
pizzatyme said:
1. NE

2. Jack.

3. Pitt.

4. S.D.

5. Cleveland, yes Browns are better than the Colts going into next season. :lmao:
I guess will have to wait and see.
Until then, the Indianapolis Colts are the reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions.
You bring so much to this message board. Good Job. :rolleyes:
As do you. :thumbup: :thumbup: :sarcasm:
No, I just happen to see things before most do, and report here about it.Take flak for it, and than I happen to be correct.

Most like to say how wrong someone is before it happens. Without saying what they think will happen.

I guess I will call this group the 'pack', so your part of the 'pack' or just a follower.

Either way, it's all good.

So who do you think will be the six AFC teams to make the playoffs next year?

You can seed them who just list 6 teams, remember 6 teams make it in the AFC.
Did you see your boy Maroney going off for $0.40 in the big game? Sorry, had to leave off the buck... :lol:
 
Ghost Rider said:
Maroney=Speed said:
pizzatyme said:
1. NE

2. Jack.

3. Pitt.

4. S.D.

5. Cleveland, yes Browns are better than the Colts going into next season. :lmao:
I guess will have to wait and see.
Until then, the Indianapolis Colts are the reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions.
You bring so much to this message board. Good Job. :loco:
As do you. :thumbup: :thumbup: :sarcasm:
No, I just happen to see things before most do, and report here about it.Take flak for it, and than I happen to be correct.

Most like to say how wrong someone is before it happens. Without saying what they think will happen.

I guess I will call this group the 'pack', so your part of the 'pack' or just a follower.

Either way, it's all good.

So who do you think will be the six AFC teams to make the playoffs next year?

You can seed them who just list 6 teams, remember 6 teams make it in the AFC.
Ummm, did you "see" the Patriots choking in the Super Bowl? I mean, before it really happened, that is.
My point. ThanksYou'll be a Jack, but you won't add anything by saying who you think will make the playoffs.

Get ahead, and say it now. We all know you have no clue anyways.

To think I'm a NE fan because my name is Maroney=speed shows that.

Don't get it? My team is U of Minnesota, I don't have a favorite team in the Pro's.

But whatever.

So again who's making the playoffs?

 
Ghost Rider said:
Maroney=Speed said:
pizzatyme said:
1. NE

2. Jack.

3. Pitt.

4. S.D.

5. Cleveland, yes Browns are better than the Colts going into next season. :lmao:
I guess will have to wait and see.
Until then, the Indianapolis Colts are the reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions.
You bring so much to this message board. Good Job. :loco:
As do you. :thumbup: :thumbup: :sarcasm:
No, I just happen to see things before most do, and report here about it.Take flak for it, and than I happen to be correct.

Most like to say how wrong someone is before it happens. Without saying what they think will happen.

I guess I will call this group the 'pack', so your part of the 'pack' or just a follower.

Either way, it's all good.

So who do you think will be the six AFC teams to make the playoffs next year?

You can seed them who just list 6 teams, remember 6 teams make it in the AFC.
:lmao: You are too much. Your "Cleveland is better than Indy going into next season" comment is just priceless.

And please post links to predictions you made that turned out to be correct (not counting ones that 75% of the football population also picked).

Did you pick the Chargers to win at Indy?

Did you pick the Giants to win at Dallas and/or at Green Bay?

Did you pick the Giants to beat the Patriots?

 
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Ghost Rider said:
Maroney=Speed said:
pizzatyme said:
1. NE

2. Jack.

3. Pitt.

4. S.D.

5. Cleveland, yes Browns are better than the Colts going into next season. :lmao:
I guess will have to wait and see.
Until then, the Indianapolis Colts are the reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions.
You bring so much to this message board. Good Job. :loco:
As do you. :thumbup: :thumbup: :sarcasm:
No, I just happen to see things before most do, and report here about it.Take flak for it, and than I happen to be correct.

Most like to say how wrong someone is before it happens. Without saying what they think will happen.

I guess I will call this group the 'pack', so your part of the 'pack' or just a follower.

Either way, it's all good.

So who do you think will be the six AFC teams to make the playoffs next year?

You can seed them who just list 6 teams, remember 6 teams make it in the AFC.
Did you see your boy Maroney going off for $0.40 in the big game? Sorry, had to leave off the buck... :lmao:
Jack, will you add anything in the Shark pool?If not leave. :bye:

 
Ghost Rider said:
Maroney=Speed said:
pizzatyme said:
1. NE

2. Jack.

3. Pitt.

4. S.D.

5. Cleveland, yes Browns are better than the Colts going into next season. :lmao:
I guess will have to wait and see.
Until then, the Indianapolis Colts are the reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions.
You bring so much to this message board. Good Job. :lmao:
As do you. :lmao: :thumbup: :sarcasm:
No, I just happen to see things before most do, and report here about it.Take flak for it, and than I happen to be correct.

Most like to say how wrong someone is before it happens. Without saying what they think will happen.

I guess I will call this group the 'pack', so your part of the 'pack' or just a follower.

Either way, it's all good.

So who do you think will be the six AFC teams to make the playoffs next year?

You can seed them who just list 6 teams, remember 6 teams make it in the AFC.
:lmao: You are too much. Your "Cleveland is better than Indy going into next season" comment is just priceless.

And please post links to predictions you made that turned out to be correct (not counting ones that 75% of the football population also picked).

Did you pick the Chargers to win at Indy?

Did you pick the Giants to win at Dallas and/or at Green Bay?

Did you pick the Giants to beat the Patriots?
This is funny I have or did put down who would win and the scores.Did you? No. So please don't help my case, I don't need it. :excited:

 
Ghost Rider said:
Maroney=Speed said:
pizzatyme said:
1. NE

2. Jack.

3. Pitt.

4. S.D.

5. Cleveland, yes Browns are better than the Colts going into next season. :lmao:
I guess will have to wait and see.
Until then, the Indianapolis Colts are the reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions.
You bring so much to this message board. Good Job. :scared:
As do you. :pokey: :lmao: :sarcasm:
No, I just happen to see things before most do, and report here about it.Take flak for it, and than I happen to be correct.

Most like to say how wrong someone is before it happens. Without saying what they think will happen.

I guess I will call this group the 'pack', so your part of the 'pack' or just a follower.

Either way, it's all good.

So who do you think will be the six AFC teams to make the playoffs next year?

You can seed them who just list 6 teams, remember 6 teams make it in the AFC.
:lmao: You are too much. Your "Cleveland is better than Indy going into next season" comment is just priceless.

And please post links to predictions you made that turned out to be correct (not counting ones that 75% of the football population also picked).

Did you pick the Chargers to win at Indy?

Did you pick the Giants to win at Dallas and/or at Green Bay?

Did you pick the Giants to beat the Patriots?
This is funny I have or did put down who would win and the scores.Did you? No. So please don't help my case, I don't need it. :excited:
Your grammar is making your posts more and more difficult to decipher. Please get back to us when you have completed 5th grade. TIA!
 
The Pats choked the biggest choke in the modern football era. . . . There was no excuse for the Patriots to lose, they lost.
:scared: NE lost by three points to a team they beat by three points just four weeks earlier. The same team that beat TB in TB, Dallas in Dallas and GB in GB. Quite possibly one of the best playoff runs ever.
 
Ghost Rider said:
Maroney=Speed said:
pizzatyme said:
1. NE

2. Jack.

3. Pitt.

4. S.D.

5. Cleveland, yes Browns are better than the Colts going into next season. :lmao:
I guess will have to wait and see.
Until then, the Indianapolis Colts are the reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions.
You bring so much to this message board. Good Job. :angry:
As do you. :wall: :cry: :sarcasm:
No, I just happen to see things before most do, and report here about it.Take flak for it, and than I happen to be correct.

Most like to say how wrong someone is before it happens. Without saying what they think will happen.

I guess I will call this group the 'pack', so your part of the 'pack' or just a follower.

Either way, it's all good.

So who do you think will be the six AFC teams to make the playoffs next year?

You can seed them who just list 6 teams, remember 6 teams make it in the AFC.
:lmao: You are too much. Your "Cleveland is better than Indy going into next season" comment is just priceless.

And please post links to predictions you made that turned out to be correct (not counting ones that 75% of the football population also picked).

Did you pick the Chargers to win at Indy?

Did you pick the Giants to win at Dallas and/or at Green Bay?

Did you pick the Giants to beat the Patriots?
This is funny I have or did put down who would win and the scores.Did you? No. So please don't help my case, I don't need it. :excited:
Your grammar is making your posts more and more difficult to decipher. Please get back to us when you have completed 5th grade. TIA!
Great come back. :clyde: I already know you couldn't read. It's ok.Maybe Pizzaman can read it to you. :excited:

 
pizzatyme said:
Until then, the Indianapolis Colts are the reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions.
I'm not jumping into this to support Maroney=Speed, but you're kidding me with this one, right?"Reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions?" There's a title I've never heard of. :(

The Colts are what the Pats are: also-rans. Period. The only fans of any team that can talk any ##### right now are Giants fans; deservedly so.

 
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pizzatyme said:
Until then, the Indianapolis Colts are the reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions.
I'm not jumping into this to support Maroney=speed, but you're kidding with this one, right?"Reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions?" There's a title I've never heard of. ;)

The Colts are what the Pats are: also-rans. Period. The only fans of any team that can talk any ##### right now are Giants fans, deservedly so.
It's like fighting with a 5th grader, they have to always feel that they won.Thanks. It's no point. Going to break down three tapes that just arrived. :lmao:

Be back in 10 or so days to tell ya, what I think of this rook class. :loco: :rolleyes:

 
Ghost Rider said:
Maroney=Speed said:
pizzatyme said:
1. NE

2. Jack.

3. Pitt.

4. S.D.

5. Cleveland, yes Browns are better than the Colts going into next season. :lmao:
I guess will have to wait and see.
Until then, the Indianapolis Colts are the reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions.
You bring so much to this message board. Good Job. :mellow:
As do you. :gang2: :gang2: :sarcasm:
No, I just happen to see things before most do, and report here about it.Take flak for it, and than I happen to be correct.

Most like to say how wrong someone is before it happens. Without saying what they think will happen.

I guess I will call this group the 'pack', so your part of the 'pack' or just a follower.

Either way, it's all good.

So who do you think will be the six AFC teams to make the playoffs next year?

You can seed them who just list 6 teams, remember 6 teams make it in the AFC.
Ummm, did you "see" the Patriots choking in the Super Bowl? I mean, before it really happened, that is.
My point. ThanksYou'll be a Jack, but you won't add anything by saying who you think will make the playoffs.

Get ahead, and say it now. We all know you have no clue anyways.

To think I'm a NE fan because my name is Maroney=speed shows that.

Don't get it? My team is U of Minnesota, I don't have a favorite team in the Pro's.

But whatever.

So again who's making the playoffs?
Thanks Joe (that's JOE, not JACK), for making the "ignore user" function. :thumbup:
 
I don't see the Patriots screwing up their cap and giving Moss the biggest contract a WR has ever seen, so who knows?

 
The Pats choked the biggest choke in the modern football era. . . . There was no excuse for the Patriots to lose, they lost.
:boxing: NE lost by three points to a team they beat by three points just four weeks earlier. The same team that beat TB in TB, Dallas in Dallas and GB in GB. Quite possibly one of the best playoff runs ever.
NE was a double digit favorite in Vegas. Vegas is a pretty good measuring stick by most standards. NE was the highest scoring offense in the history of the NFL. They scored 14 points. I think many would call the Giants win one of the Jets/Colts proportions. That to me is one of the biggest CHOKE jobs in modern football. To you, maybe not. I don't think I'm in the minority.Should I start a poll?
 
pizzatyme said:
Until then, the Indianapolis Colts are the reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions.
I'm not jumping into this to support Maroney=Speed, but you're kidding me with this one, right?"Reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions?" There's a title I've never heard of. :X

The Colts are what the Pats are: also-rans. Period. The only fans of any team that can talk any ##### right now are Giants fans; deservedly so.
Sounds silly doesn't it?! The point is that this is more valid than the crap Maroney is tossing out. Who is the last Super Bowl Champ from the AFC? The Colts.Umm, yes, going into next season, the Browns and Jags are clearly better than the Colts. I mean, since the Browns didn't make the playoffs this year, and the Colts swept the Jags.

I'm glad you saw the humor in this though! :shock:

 
The Pats choked the biggest choke in the modern football era. . . . There was no excuse for the Patriots to lose, they lost.
:shock: NE lost by three points to a team they beat by three points just four weeks earlier. The same team that beat TB in TB, Dallas in Dallas and GB in GB. Quite possibly one of the best playoff runs ever.
NE was a double digit favorite in Vegas. Vegas is a pretty good measuring stick by most standards. NE was the highest scoring offense in the history of the NFL. They scored 14 points. I think many would call the Giants win one of the Jets/Colts proportions. That to me is one of the biggest CHOKE jobs in modern football. To you, maybe not. I don't think I'm in the minority.Should I start a poll?
A poll will get the same answer you get for all Pats threads here. I know you want to make sure you continue to rub the final outcome of the 2007 season in for all Pats fans, but it doesn't make you right. :XFWIW, Vegas was a horrible measuring stick for the Pats for the entire 2nd half of the season. The betting sheep saw the eye popping ( or the arrogant, run it up :D ) wins early and Vegas drove lines that were over the top, and ended up making lots of money. NE covered only 2 spreads week 9 on ( IIRC )
 
pizzatyme said:
Until then, the Indianapolis Colts are the reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions.
I'm not jumping into this to support Maroney=speed, but you're kidding with this one, right?"Reigning AFC Super Bowl Champions?" There's a title I've never heard of. :lmao:

The Colts are what the Pats are: also-rans. Period. The only fans of any team that can talk any ##### right now are Giants fans, deservedly so.
It's like fighting with a 5th grader, they have to always feel that they won.Thanks. It's no point. Going to break down three tapes that just arrived. :X

Be back in 10 or so days to tell ya, what I think of this rook class. :D :shock:
Did you just renew your subscription to SI?
 
I don't see the Patriots screwing up their cap and giving Moss the biggest contract a WR has ever seen, so who knows?
Samuel got paid this year what Moss would get paid next year if the Pats franchise Moss. So their net payout would be the same.Moss got paid $5 million this year, so to have literally the same payout they would need to field a CB for $5 million. i don't see this as screwing up their cap.But since you mentioned it . . .I know that the Pats are in contact with Brady and his agent to try to reduce his nearly $15 million cap hit for this year. Brady has done this in the past, so there is not reason to think that he won't be willing to do so again.As outlined in several places, the pats are far from in terrible shape cap wise, and they do have the benefit of having some key players locked up at lower than market value and some other players willing to play for pretty cheap (Seau, Bruschi, Harrison, etc.).I also do not think that Moss will seek "the biggest contract a WR has ever seen." Moss has had the benefit of playing for big contracts in the past, so I am pretty sure he would stick around for less money (but not way less money). The Pats have shown that they will pay close to market value on guys that they consider top tier talent. It is clear that they felt that some of their other players were not top tier talent (Branch, Givens, Graham, McGinnest, etc.)I would say that it would be nearly impossible to pay Moss and Samuel each what they want, so they will have to pick one or the other. And I can't see them giving Samuel an $80 - $100 million contract.
 
The Pats choked the biggest choke in the modern football era. . . . There was no excuse for the Patriots to lose, they lost.
:rolleyes: NE lost by three points to a team they beat by three points just four weeks earlier. The same team that beat TB in TB, Dallas in Dallas and GB in GB. Quite possibly one of the best playoff runs ever.
NE was a double digit favorite in Vegas. Vegas is a pretty good measuring stick by most standards. NE was the highest scoring offense in the history of the NFL. They scored 14 points. I think many would call the Giants win one of the Jets/Colts proportions. That to me is one of the biggest CHOKE jobs in modern football. To you, maybe not. I don't think I'm in the minority.Should I start a poll?
A poll will get the same answer you get for all Pats threads here. I know you want to make sure you continue to rub the final outcome of the 2007 season in for all Pats fans, but it doesn't make you right. ;)FWIW, Vegas was a horrible measuring stick for the Pats for the entire 2nd half of the season. The betting sheep saw the eye popping ( or the arrogant, run it up :D ) wins early and Vegas drove lines that were over the top, and ended up making lots of money. NE covered only 2 spreads week 9 on ( IIRC )
RW, are you saying you thought there was a chance the Giants would win that game?If so, you are in the vast minority. For the betting public, it was a no-brainer on the side, it was just a matter of could the Pats cover.
 
The Pats choked the biggest choke in the modern football era. . . . There was no excuse for the Patriots to lose, they lost.
:goodposting: NE lost by three points to a team they beat by three points just four weeks earlier. The same team that beat TB in TB, Dallas in Dallas and GB in GB. Quite possibly one of the best playoff runs ever.
NE was a double digit favorite in Vegas. Vegas is a pretty good measuring stick by most standards. NE was the highest scoring offense in the history of the NFL. They scored 14 points. I think many would call the Giants win one of the Jets/Colts proportions. That to me is one of the biggest CHOKE jobs in modern football. To you, maybe not. I don't think I'm in the minority.Should I start a poll?
A poll will get the same answer you get for all Pats threads here. I know you want to make sure you continue to rub the final outcome of the 2007 season in for all Pats fans, but it doesn't make you right. :lol:FWIW, Vegas was a horrible measuring stick for the Pats for the entire 2nd half of the season. The betting sheep saw the eye popping ( or the arrogant, run it up :no: ) wins early and Vegas drove lines that were over the top, and ended up making lots of money. NE covered only 2 spreads week 9 on ( IIRC )
RW, are you saying you thought there was a chance the Giants would win that game?If so, you are in the vast minority. For the betting public, it was a no-brainer on the side, it was just a matter of could the Pats cover.
So, did I think the Giants had a chance? Absolutely. I was feeling queasy all week seeing the same kind of media love heaped on the Pats that the Rams circa 2001 had heaped on them. I knew how much that drove the Patriots then. I was afraid of the same type of reaction from the Giants. Most long time Boston sports fans are uncomfortable in the postion of favorites. We usually expect the worst.However, I didn't call a Giants win. I thought the Pats would pull it out, as they had all year, that their O line would play better than they did, that Brady would be more accurate. I didn't expect the Giants to completely dominate the LOS as they did. And, FWIW, I expected Eli to regress under pressure and give the game away.It makes me bristle a bit to continue to see "choke" in regards to this SB LVII... It feels like a slight of the Giants efforts and accomplishment. It, honestly, feels a whole lot like how the 2001 Patriots team was regarded, as the beneficiary of the Rams choke, rather than the outcome driven by their effort.Once comment I had in one of the post game threads was maybe this was the start of a new dynasty, that there were a lot of similarities to the SB XXXVI.
 
The Pats choked the biggest choke in the modern football era. . . . There was no excuse for the Patriots to lose, they lost.
:goodposting: NE lost by three points to a team they beat by three points just four weeks earlier. The same team that beat TB in TB, Dallas in Dallas and GB in GB. Quite possibly one of the best playoff runs ever.
NE was a double digit favorite in Vegas. Vegas is a pretty good measuring stick by most standards. NE was the highest scoring offense in the history of the NFL. They scored 14 points. I think many would call the Giants win one of the Jets/Colts proportions. That to me is one of the biggest CHOKE jobs in modern football. To you, maybe not. I don't think I'm in the minority.Should I start a poll?
A poll will get the same answer you get for all Pats threads here. I know you want to make sure you continue to rub the final outcome of the 2007 season in for all Pats fans, but it doesn't make you right. :lol:FWIW, Vegas was a horrible measuring stick for the Pats for the entire 2nd half of the season. The betting sheep saw the eye popping ( or the arrogant, run it up :no: ) wins early and Vegas drove lines that were over the top, and ended up making lots of money. NE covered only 2 spreads week 9 on ( IIRC )
RW, are you saying you thought there was a chance the Giants would win that game?If so, you are in the vast minority. For the betting public, it was a no-brainer on the side, it was just a matter of could the Pats cover.
Anybody who honestly believed the Giants didn't have a chance in that game (given the way the 2 teams had been playing over the past few weeks) was delusional. The Pats were picked to win by almost everyone (and rightfully so) but I don't think too many knowledgable football fans thought the game would be a blowout.
 
The Pats choked the biggest choke in the modern football era. . . . There was no excuse for the Patriots to lose, they lost.
:confused: NE lost by three points to a team they beat by three points just four weeks earlier. The same team that beat TB in TB, Dallas in Dallas and GB in GB. Quite possibly one of the best playoff runs ever.
NE was a double digit favorite in Vegas. Vegas is a pretty good measuring stick by most standards. NE was the highest scoring offense in the history of the NFL. They scored 14 points. I think many would call the Giants win one of the Jets/Colts proportions. That to me is one of the biggest CHOKE jobs in modern football. To you, maybe not. I don't think I'm in the minority.Should I start a poll?
A poll will get the same answer you get for all Pats threads here. I know you want to make sure you continue to rub the final outcome of the 2007 season in for all Pats fans, but it doesn't make you right. ;)FWIW, Vegas was a horrible measuring stick for the Pats for the entire 2nd half of the season. The betting sheep saw the eye popping ( or the arrogant, run it up :D ) wins early and Vegas drove lines that were over the top, and ended up making lots of money. NE covered only 2 spreads week 9 on ( IIRC )
RW, are you saying you thought there was a chance the Giants would win that game?If so, you are in the vast minority. For the betting public, it was a no-brainer on the side, it was just a matter of could the Pats cover.
So, did I think the Giants had a chance? Absolutely. I was feeling queasy all week seeing the same kind of media love heaped on the Pats that the Rams circa 2001 had heaped on them. I knew how much that drove the Patriots then. I was afraid of the same type of reaction from the Giants. Most long time Boston sports fans are uncomfortable in the postion of favorites. We usually expect the worst.However, I didn't call a Giants win. I thought the Pats would pull it out, as they had all year, that their O line would play better than they did, that Brady would be more accurate. I didn't expect the Giants to completely dominate the LOS as they did. And, FWIW, I expected Eli to regress under pressure and give the game away.It makes me bristle a bit to continue to see "choke" in regards to this SB LVII... It feels like a slight of the Giants efforts and accomplishment. It, honestly, feels a whole lot like how the 2001 Patriots team was regarded, as the beneficiary of the Rams choke, rather than the outcome driven by their effort.Once comment I had in one of the post game threads was maybe this was the start of a new dynasty, that there were a lot of similarities to the SB XXXVI.
In all honesty, I feel like the Pats choked about as much as the Colts choked in any of the past few years. (not really) The problem is, several of your brethren have labeled the Colts and particularly Manning as chokers. Well, I say, if they were chokers, then the Patriots have to be chokers. They were undefeated prior to that game and were 12 point favorites. If ever there was a choke scenario, I'd have to say that is it.Do I honestly believe it? Not really. Will I toss it out as the general sentiment? Well, considering my general dislike for the Patriots, it feels pretty good to put the shoe on the other foot.I guess as soon as I see some of your brethren show some humility on these boards, I'll let it go. It really doesn't fit me, but turnabout is fair play in cyber world. I'm just about there, it would be expedited if a thread were started to allow obnoxious Pats fans to commit to being "excellent" going forward. Then the Pats "haters" could do the same and it would be in writing. For what that's worth in cyber world. :lol:
 
The Pats choked the biggest choke in the modern football era. . . . There was no excuse for the Patriots to lose, they lost.
:confused: NE lost by three points to a team they beat by three points just four weeks earlier. The same team that beat TB in TB, Dallas in Dallas and GB in GB. Quite possibly one of the best playoff runs ever.
NE was a double digit favorite in Vegas. Vegas is a pretty good measuring stick by most standards. NE was the highest scoring offense in the history of the NFL. They scored 14 points. I think many would call the Giants win one of the Jets/Colts proportions. That to me is one of the biggest CHOKE jobs in modern football. To you, maybe not. I don't think I'm in the minority.Should I start a poll?
A poll will get the same answer you get for all Pats threads here. I know you want to make sure you continue to rub the final outcome of the 2007 season in for all Pats fans, but it doesn't make you right. :lol:FWIW, Vegas was a horrible measuring stick for the Pats for the entire 2nd half of the season. The betting sheep saw the eye popping ( or the arrogant, run it up ;) ) wins early and Vegas drove lines that were over the top, and ended up making lots of money. NE covered only 2 spreads week 9 on ( IIRC )
RW, are you saying you thought there was a chance the Giants would win that game?If so, you are in the vast minority. For the betting public, it was a no-brainer on the side, it was just a matter of could the Pats cover.
Anybody who honestly believed the Giants didn't have a chance in that game (given the way the 2 teams had been playing over the past few weeks) was delusional. The Pats were picked to win by almost everyone (and rightfully so) but I don't think too many knowledgable football fans thought the game would be a blowout.
There were billions of dollars bet by "knowledgable" fans on the Pats to cover the 12 point spread. 12 points in a SB is a blowout.
 
The Pats choked the biggest choke in the modern football era.

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There was no excuse for the Patriots to lose, they lost.
:confused: NE lost by three points to a team they beat by three points just four weeks earlier. The same team that beat TB in TB, Dallas in Dallas and GB in GB. Quite possibly one of the best playoff runs ever.
NE was a double digit favorite in Vegas. Vegas is a pretty good measuring stick by most standards. NE was the highest scoring offense in the history of the NFL. They scored 14 points. I think many would call the Giants win one of the Jets/Colts proportions.

That to me is one of the biggest CHOKE jobs in modern football. To you, maybe not. I don't think I'm in the minority.

Should I start a poll?
A poll will get the same answer you get for all Pats threads here. I know you want to make sure you continue to rub the final outcome of the 2007 season in for all Pats fans, but it doesn't make you right. :D FWIW, Vegas was a horrible measuring stick for the Pats for the entire 2nd half of the season. The betting sheep saw the eye popping ( or the arrogant, run it up :popcorn: ) wins early and Vegas drove lines that were over the top, and ended up making lots of money. NE covered only 2 spreads week 9 on ( IIRC )
RW, are you saying you thought there was a chance the Giants would win that game?If so, you are in the vast minority. For the betting public, it was a no-brainer on the side, it was just a matter of could the Pats cover.
Anybody who honestly believed the Giants didn't have a chance in that game (given the way the 2 teams had been playing over the past few weeks) was delusional. The Pats were picked to win by almost everyone (and rightfully so) but I don't think too many knowledgable football fans thought the game would be a blowout.
There were billions of dollars bet by "knowledgable" fans on the Pats to cover the 12 point spread. 12 points in a SB is a blowout.
Not necessarily. The Pats beat the Jags by 11 and the Chargers by 9 and I would consider neither of those wins a blowout. What does the fact that it's the superbowl make any difference at all? The score in a game is not always indicative of how close the game actually was.
 
I cant figure out what's worse here. Complete and utter failure in the Superbowl due to alleged 'arrogance' or complete and utter failure in a divisional round playoff game due to, well, god only knows?? Im pretty sure Indy would have welcomed the opportunity to choke in the biggest game of the year. But of course, they simply werent good enough to make it that far. Or they simply choked. Call it what you want. But at least New England's 'arrogance' actually earned them a couple of wins over formidable teams before their meltdown occurred. Losing their 1st playoff game simply wasnt an option.
Delusional Pats fan at work here ;) AS that game was hashed and rehashed here, the fault was clearly with the defense. The Chargers scored 28 points, and Indy was without some key defensive players. Manning led the offense to 24 points, no not enough to win, but clearly not "choking."On the other hand, the Patriots mustered up what 14 points? Yes it was against a good D, but 14 points? By the #1 offense in the NFL?I don't think you know the definition of choking if you think Indy did and NE didn't.As far as beating "formidable" teams? LOL!!! NE beat JAX, who were one dimensional. Then they beat SD, which was without it's top-3 offensive players. Neither of those games should have been a challenge at all. :unsure:
Frankly, your comments about anything relative to New England football arent worth even discussing.
Really? Why is that? You obviously have nothing to contend with in my comments in this post.
And you forfeited any valid case to talk smack after they initially choked against New England earlier this year, then choked again looking past a team without its top 3 offensive players.
So you think Indy choked against NE earlier this year?Let's see... Manning led them to a potentially game winning TD. Then the Pats came back and scored at 3:15 left in the game. The Colts didn't score again and the Pats won by four. And you call that choking... yet it's the same scenario as the Pats losing the SuperBowl, but that's not choking? Sure... you got it :thumbup:You do realize that Indy held NE to their lowest point total at that point in the season, right? You also realize that Indy scored 20 points on NE. NE managed FOURTEEN points in the SB, and you don't think that's choking, but you think the Colts did?You also do realize that SD was NOT without it's top three offensive players for the Colts playoff game, right? Rivers played, Gates played, and LT played. Yes, Rivers did get injured in that game, and Gate and LT were playing through injuries. But it wasn't until the following week that Gates and LT sat out most of the game - that is the next week when they played NE.
Stick with a team that you like, actually know something about, and dont hate, rendering your opinions pretty much worthless.
So you're contending that my opinions of the Pats are worthless because you claim I hate them. So, as you are obviously on the other side of the spectrum and blindly love the Patriots, your opinions are worth just about as much. You're right, we shoudl only talk about teams we like - that would be the best info. LOL
And let me save you the effort here - New England sucks, theyre arrogant cheaters, their fans are the worst and most obnoxious in football, Tom Brady is overrated and only thrives because he has the greatest Oline of all time, and they just pulled the biggest choke job in American history. That about covers it.
Well at least you are finally coming around to see reality.
Hate on, young fella. Oh, almost forgot. LMAO. :popcorn: That'll make it seem like I actually enjoy responding to your commentary. How 'bout a thumbs up for good measure. :lol:
Now you are starting to embarrass yourself.
 
...So you think Indy choked against NE earlier this year?Let's see... Manning led them to a potentially game winning TD. Then the Pats came back and scored at 3:15 left in the game. The Colts didn't score again and the Pats won by four. And you call that choking... yet it's the same scenario as the Pats losing the SuperBowl, but that's not choking? Sure... you got it :lmao:You do realize that Indy held NE to their lowest point total at that point in the season, right? You also realize that Indy scored 20 points on NE. NE managed FOURTEEN points in the SB, and you don't think that's choking, but you think the Colts did?...
Yet here you are saying the Patriots just had the biggest choke job ever, but want to refute the Colts? If you're willing to be intellectually honest, either they both choked, or they both didn't choke. It's an agenda if you contend otherwise, IMO.I lean to the side that neither case was a choke, that both teams were beaten straight up by an opponent that outplayed them that day.
 
...In all honesty, I feel like the Pats choked about as much as the Colts choked in any of the past few years. (not really) The problem is, several of your brethren have labeled the Colts and particularly Manning as chokers. Well, I say, if they were chokers, then the Patriots have to be chokers. They were undefeated prior to that game and were 12 point favorites. If ever there was a choke scenario, I'd have to say that is it.Do I honestly believe it? Not really. Will I toss it out as the general sentiment? Well, considering my general dislike for the Patriots, it feels pretty good to put the shoe on the other foot.I guess as soon as I see some of your brethren show some humility on these boards, I'll let it go. It really doesn't fit me, but turnabout is fair play in cyber world. I'm just about there, it would be expedited if a thread were started to allow obnoxious Pats fans to commit to being "excellent" going forward. Then the Pats "haters" could do the same and it would be in writing. For what that's worth in cyber world. :hophead:
Appreciate the honesty. It becomes a worthwhile conversation when both sides can get past trying to tweak the other. Here's hoping for a quality offseason. :thumbup:
 
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So you think Indy choked against NE earlier this year?

Let's see... Manning led them to a potentially game winning TD. Then the Pats came back and scored at 3:15 left in the game. The Colts didn't score again and the Pats won by four. And you call that choking... yet it's the same scenario as the Pats losing the SuperBowl, but that's not choking? Sure... you got it :lmao:

You do realize that Indy held NE to their lowest point total at that point in the season, right? You also realize that Indy scored 20 points on NE. NE managed FOURTEEN points in the SB, and you don't think that's choking, but you think the Colts did?

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Yet here you are saying the Patriots just had the biggest choke job ever, but want to refute the Colts? If you're willing to be intellectually honest, either they both choked, or they both didn't choke. It's an agenda if you contend otherwise, IMO.I lean to the side that neither case was a choke, that both teams were beaten straight up by an opponent that outplayed them that day.
What I'm saying is that: If Indy choked, as many Pats fans were saying earlier, and in past years... then the Pats choked, and they choked worse, as they were far worse compared to their norm this year.If anyone choked, it was the Patriots.

However, when not talking to Pats fans, I generally give credit to the Giants, who were hell bent on stopping the Pats, and did it.

 
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So you think Indy choked against NE earlier this year?

Let's see... Manning led them to a potentially game winning TD. Then the Pats came back and scored at 3:15 left in the game. The Colts didn't score again and the Pats won by four. And you call that choking... yet it's the same scenario as the Pats losing the SuperBowl, but that's not choking? Sure... you got it :blackdot:

You do realize that Indy held NE to their lowest point total at that point in the season, right? You also realize that Indy scored 20 points on NE. NE managed FOURTEEN points in the SB, and you don't think that's choking, but you think the Colts did?

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Yet here you are saying the Patriots just had the biggest choke job ever, but want to refute the Colts? If you're willing to be intellectually honest, either they both choked, or they both didn't choke. It's an agenda if you contend otherwise, IMO.I lean to the side that neither case was a choke, that both teams were beaten straight up by an opponent that outplayed them that day.
What I'm saying is that: If Indy choked, as many Pats fans were saying earlier, and in past years... then the Pats choked, and they choked worse, as they were far worse compared to their norm this year.If anyone choked, it was the Patriots.

However, when not talking to Pats fans, I generally give credit to the Giants, who were hell bent on stopping the Pats, and did it.
This guy's moronic Pats hate is actually starting to make me like the Pats more.......
 
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So you think Indy choked against NE earlier this year?

Let's see... Manning led them to a potentially game winning TD. Then the Pats came back and scored at 3:15 left in the game. The Colts didn't score again and the Pats won by four. And you call that choking... yet it's the same scenario as the Pats losing the SuperBowl, but that's not choking? Sure... you got it :hot:

You do realize that Indy held NE to their lowest point total at that point in the season, right? You also realize that Indy scored 20 points on NE. NE managed FOURTEEN points in the SB, and you don't think that's choking, but you think the Colts did?

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Yet here you are saying the Patriots just had the biggest choke job ever, but want to refute the Colts? If you're willing to be intellectually honest, either they both choked, or they both didn't choke. It's an agenda if you contend otherwise, IMO.I lean to the side that neither case was a choke, that both teams were beaten straight up by an opponent that outplayed them that day.
What I'm saying is that: If Indy choked, as many Pats fans were saying earlier, and in past years... then the Pats choked, and they choked worse, as they were far worse compared to their norm this year.If anyone choked, it was the Patriots.

However, when not talking to Pats fans, I generally give credit to the Giants, who were hell bent on stopping the Pats, and did it.
This guy's moronic Pats hate is actually starting to make me like the Pats more.......
:blackdot: What about that post was Pat's hate?????
 
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What I'm saying is that: If Indy choked, as many Pats fans were saying earlier, and in past years... then the Pats choked, and they choked worse, as they were far worse compared to their norm this year.

If anyone choked, it was the Patriots.

However, when not talking to Pats fans, I generally give credit to the Giants, who were hell bent on stopping the Pats, and did it.
IMO, it'd be better all around if you offered your actual analysis, which, aside from the Patriots, can be quite good, and stopped ( or at least reduced... going Cold Turkey can be a shock to the system :thumbup: ) :blackdot: with the Patriots fans.
 
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Here you go, buddy. Im dropping this old post here to make a simple point. I dont hate the Colts. It would be pretty easy to do because theyre a rival team, I have no particular love for them, and theyve been NE's greatest obstacle for the past few years. But ONE day after that loss, here's what I had to say. I wasnt bashing that team for that Chargers' loss. And I wasnt kicking anyone while they were down. If I were a hater, it would have been pretty easy to do. It's the one element worth pointing out that separates our perspectives. Now, you can choose to either get this or not. Give up the hate man. To this point, you seem to get a rise out of it. I wont even attempt to suggest that it wouldnt be understandable on some level. But just let it go. Ive read enough of some of your commentary on other topics to see you have knowledge of the game. You said I was embarassing myself? No, young buck. Anytime you open up your mouth and speak on anything relating to New England, your are the embarssment. Turn the page already. The rest of the book is worth reading, too.

The end results for Manning werent good, and he did lose, but Im not going to hammer him for the loss. Harrison's fumble early in the game when Indy was driving and in position to go up 14-0 killed. It killed the drive, it killed confidence, it killed momentum. And Im sure it killed the crowd's energy to a degree to see Harrison of all people turn it over after making his first catch in over 2 months. That was a HUGELY negative play imo, even though it was certainly early in the game, but it wasnt on Manning. But late in that game, on that final drive, the 3rd down throw to Wayne was certainly a money throw, down and low, and Wayne should have come up with it, but the crushing hit by the safety on Wayne's shoulder probably took him out for the remainder of that drive anyway. But it was a good throw in a good spot, and a good defensive play was made on a pass that probably should have been caught. And the 4th down pass to Clark was really a nice throw, again in a tough spot, but it was on a dime, over coverage, to his most reliable receiver at the most critical of times, but Clark simply dropped it. It was a ball that should have been caught. Again, not on Manning, imo.

The Colts only scored 24. Theyre a team that averages well above that, particularly later in the season when they started playing pretty good football again, after the 2 midseason losses. But I cant put it all on Manning. He'll certainly shoulder the burden, but Sanders' injury, and Addai's injury and some key drops, tips and turnovers amongst the many other key plays in that game were the cause that loss. Not a Manning choke job. jmho.

Tough loss, Colts fans. You had another great season, so nothing to be down about for too long, hopefully. Your team battled thru a lot of injuries this season, thought its never really an excuse we as fans should lean on, but they handled it as champions do, and played with a lot of heart. That's a tremendous team. Heads up.
 
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