Randy Moss close to signing ? (1 Viewer)

[BustedKnuckles]

3 years 30 million with the pats

 

[Jeff Haseley]

link?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

looking for a link...it was reported at 10 pm local sports.

 

[Wombat Killer]

I thought I heard they offered that, but he didn't sign.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

all i could find

http://boards.boston.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?...s&tid=18597

 

[BigTex]

I was just listening to ESPN radio and J. Clayton said they weren't close on the negotiation talk with Moss.

Conflicting stories.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

How is Moss not worth something in the range of a 5 yr $50-$60 million deal with about $15 million just for signing the papers?

 

[encaitar]

How is Moss not worth something in the range of a 5 yr $50-$60 million deal with about $15 million just for signing the papers?

He is, which is why NE is so intent on getting him signed before Friday hits and Dallas or Denver can offer that. If Friday hits, NE will have to dole out a lot more money.

 

[David Yudkin]

Randy Moss cannot officially be signed until Friday. The league has a rule that says each player is limited to one contract revision per NFL calender year, and Moss used his up to redo the terms of his contract to come to NE.

So the Pats cannot announce his signing until 2/29. From everything that I have heard, they will announce that he re-signed at that point. As I have been mentioning several times over the past few months, I had heard that Moss and the Pats had been working on a new deal since November and at no point did it seem that the two sides were combative.

From what I have heard, NE is not scrambling to sign Moss as many are suggesting. They CANNOT announce that he has agreed on a new deal, and I wish people in the media would understand this instead of specualting everything under the sun because a deal has not been announced.

So there can be no official link at this point because the team has not announced it. And given the amount of times that Clayton has swung and missed at Patriots news this year, I would advise people to take what he says with a grain of salt.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

How is Moss not worth something in the range of a 5 yr $50-$60 million deal with about $15 million just for signing the papers?

He is, which is why NE is so intent on getting him signed before Friday hits and Dallas or Denver can offer that. If Friday hits, NE will have to dole out a lot more money.

THis post has no basis in reality.

 

[encaitar]

How is Moss not worth something in the range of a 5 yr $50-$60 million deal with about $15 million just for signing the papers?

He is, which is why NE is so intent on getting him signed before Friday hits and Dallas or Denver can offer that. If Friday hits, NE will have to dole out a lot more money.

THis post has no basis in reality.

Why not? With the escalation of the salary cap, it's likely that Moss commands a high number. People realized this year that he can still be the most dominant receiver in league still given the right system and a good QB. The Patriots are reportedly offering 30 million over three years which isn't bad, but he's only getting 12 maybe 15 guaranteed over the contract. If Dallas or Denver(both rumored to be pursuing Moss) offer him a 5 year deal with 20+ million guaranteed it's going to make him think.One of the reasons he's expected to stay in NE is because he wants to win and he likes playing with a good QB and a good system. However, a team like Dallas could offer nearly the same in terms of chance to win and their offense without Moss clearly shows they have a good system. Romo is no Tom Brady, but he isn't an Andrew Walter or Aaron Brooks either.I think NE has the edge for signing him, but it's completely reasonable for them to be worried about another team swooping in with an offer that's too good to refuse.

 

[Road Warriors]

How is Moss not worth something in the range of a 5 yr $50-$60 million deal with about $15 million just for signing the papers?

He is, which is why NE is so intent on getting him signed before Friday hits and Dallas or Denver can offer that. If Friday hits, NE will have to dole out a lot more money.

THis post has no basis in reality.

Why not? With the escalation of the salary cap, it's likely that Moss commands a high number. People realized this year that he can still be the most dominant receiver in league still given the right system and a good QB. The Patriots are reportedly offering 30 million over three years which isn't bad, but he's only getting 12 maybe 15 guaranteed over the contract. If Dallas or Denver(both rumored to be pursuing Moss) offer him a 5 year deal with 20+ million guaranteed it's going to make him think.One of the reasons he's expected to stay in NE is because he wants to win and he likes playing with a good QB and a good system. However, a team like Dallas could offer nearly the same in terms of chance to win and their offense without Moss clearly shows they have a good system. Romo is no Tom Brady, but he isn't an Andrew Walter or Aaron Brooks either.I think NE has the edge for signing him, but it's completely reasonable for them to be worried about another team swooping in with an offer that's too good to refuse.

See D. Yudkin's response above... They can't officially sign and announc before Friday, on procedural grounds. He HAS to hit Friday unsigned.

 

[David Yudkin]

How is Moss not worth something in the range of a 5 yr $50-$60 million deal with about $15 million just for signing the papers?

He is, which is why NE is so intent on getting him signed before Friday hits and Dallas or Denver can offer that. If Friday hits, NE will have to dole out a lot more money.

THis post has no basis in reality.

Why not? With the escalation of the salary cap, it's likely that Moss commands a high number. People realized this year that he can still be the most dominant receiver in league still given the right system and a good QB. The Patriots are reportedly offering 30 million over three years which isn't bad, but he's only getting 12 maybe 15 guaranteed over the contract. If Dallas or Denver(both rumored to be pursuing Moss) offer him a 5 year deal with 20+ million guaranteed it's going to make him think.One of the reasons he's expected to stay in NE is because he wants to win and he likes playing with a good QB and a good system. However, a team like Dallas could offer nearly the same in terms of chance to win and their offense without Moss clearly shows they have a good system. Romo is no Tom Brady, but he isn't an Andrew Walter or Aaron Brooks either.I think NE has the edge for signing him, but it's completely reasonable for them to be worried about another team swooping in with an offer that's too good to refuse.

You are missing the point that there is a 99.999% Moss is already signed. Moss is happy in NE and by all accounts already signed. The team cannot by rule announce that he is signed. Someone may have been willing to offer him 5 years at $100 million for all we know, but at this point that won't matter at all.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

How is Moss not worth something in the range of a 5 yr $50-$60 million deal with about $15 million just for signing the papers?

He is, which is why NE is so intent on getting him signed before Friday hits and Dallas or Denver can offer that. If Friday hits, NE will have to dole out a lot more money.

THis post has no basis in reality.

Why not? With the escalation of the salary cap, it's likely that Moss commands a high number. People realized this year that he can still be the most dominant receiver in league still given the right system and a good QB. The Patriots are reportedly offering 30 million over three years which isn't bad, but he's only getting 12 maybe 15 guaranteed over the contract. If Dallas or Denver(both rumored to be pursuing Moss) offer him a 5 year deal with 20+ million guaranteed it's going to make him think.One of the reasons he's expected to stay in NE is because he wants to win and he likes playing with a good QB and a good system. However, a team like Dallas could offer nearly the same in terms of chance to win and their offense without Moss clearly shows they have a good system. Romo is no Tom Brady, but he isn't an Andrew Walter or Aaron Brooks either.I think NE has the edge for signing him, but it's completely reasonable for them to be worried about another team swooping in with an offer that's too good to refuse.

Yudkin down?

 

[Itchy Amos]

How is Moss not worth something in the range of a 5 yr $50-$60 million deal with about $15 million just for signing the papers?

He is, which is why NE is so intent on getting him signed before Friday hits and Dallas or Denver can offer that. If Friday hits, NE will have to dole out a lot more money.

THis post has no basis in reality.

Why not? With the escalation of the salary cap, it's likely that Moss commands a high number. People realized this year that he can still be the most dominant receiver in league still given the right system and a good QB. The Patriots are reportedly offering 30 million over three years which isn't bad, but he's only getting 12 maybe 15 guaranteed over the contract. If Dallas or Denver(both rumored to be pursuing Moss) offer him a 5 year deal with 20+ million guaranteed it's going to make him think.One of the reasons he's expected to stay in NE is because he wants to win and he likes playing with a good QB and a good system. However, a team like Dallas could offer nearly the same in terms of chance to win and their offense without Moss clearly shows they have a good system. Romo is no Tom Brady, but he isn't an Andrew Walter or Aaron Brooks either.

I think NE has the edge for signing him, but it's completely reasonable for them to be worried about another team swooping in with an offer that's too good to refuse.

Sorry, I have to agree with this guy. Moss and his agent are not working in a vacuum. They are likely well aware what his open market value is, as are the Patriots.

 

[David Yudkin]

What I love about people and the Pats, is that if NE announced they re-signed Moss before Friday, people would either (a) again be screaming that the Patriots broke the rules and heads should roll or (b) say what's the big deal they received no competitive advantage.

I am not directly suggesting that this is on par with SpyGate, but it seems like certain rules are meant to be adhered to and others not so much (in some some people's eyes).

The reason why they do not let teams re-sign players twice in one season is to avoid salary cap abuse. It seems very unlikely that NE would be able to abuse the system (at least in this singular case) and mess with the salary cap. But once the new NFL year rolls over, the books on the prior season are closed and it would be impossible to alter salary cap and accounting info for the prior season.

So the most offical word we can get on this for now is that Moss is expected to re-sign tomorrow . . . and all these other articles about who else will make a run at him are pretty silly IMO.

 

[David Yudkin]

How is Moss not worth something in the range of a 5 yr $50-$60 million deal with about $15 million just for signing the papers?

He is, which is why NE is so intent on getting him signed before Friday hits and Dallas or Denver can offer that. If Friday hits, NE will have to dole out a lot more money.

THis post has no basis in reality.

Why not? With the escalation of the salary cap, it's likely that Moss commands a high number. People realized this year that he can still be the most dominant receiver in league still given the right system and a good QB. The Patriots are reportedly offering 30 million over three years which isn't bad, but he's only getting 12 maybe 15 guaranteed over the contract. If Dallas or Denver(both rumored to be pursuing Moss) offer him a 5 year deal with 20+ million guaranteed it's going to make him think.One of the reasons he's expected to stay in NE is because he wants to win and he likes playing with a good QB and a good system. However, a team like Dallas could offer nearly the same in terms of chance to win and their offense without Moss clearly shows they have a good system. Romo is no Tom Brady, but he isn't an Andrew Walter or Aaron Brooks either.

I think NE has the edge for signing him, but it's completely reasonable for them to be worried about another team swooping in with an offer that's too good to refuse.

Sorry, I have to agree with this guy. Moss and his agent are not working in a vacuum. They are likely well aware what his open market value is, as are the Patriots.

Are people really thinking that the Patriots are total imbeciles? If there was any chance that Moss would not return they would have franchised him. If they intended not to bring him back, they would have announced that as well (they have done that REGULARLY with all players that they are not going to bring back and at the very least have updated the progress on negotiations with everyone else.)NE would not just let Moss walk and get nothing in return. Unless people truly believe the Pats are total idiots.

 

[Itchy Amos]

How is Moss not worth something in the range of a 5 yr $50-$60 million deal with about $15 million just for signing the papers?

He is, which is why NE is so intent on getting him signed before Friday hits and Dallas or Denver can offer that. If Friday hits, NE will have to dole out a lot more money.

THis post has no basis in reality.

Why not? With the escalation of the salary cap, it's likely that Moss commands a high number. People realized this year that he can still be the most dominant receiver in league still given the right system and a good QB. The Patriots are reportedly offering 30 million over three years which isn't bad, but he's only getting 12 maybe 15 guaranteed over the contract. If Dallas or Denver(both rumored to be pursuing Moss) offer him a 5 year deal with 20+ million guaranteed it's going to make him think.One of the reasons he's expected to stay in NE is because he wants to win and he likes playing with a good QB and a good system. However, a team like Dallas could offer nearly the same in terms of chance to win and their offense without Moss clearly shows they have a good system. Romo is no Tom Brady, but he isn't an Andrew Walter or Aaron Brooks either.

I think NE has the edge for signing him, but it's completely reasonable for them to be worried about another team swooping in with an offer that's too good to refuse.

Sorry, I have to agree with this guy. Moss and his agent are not working in a vacuum. They are likely well aware what his open market value is, as are the Patriots.

Are people really thinking that the Patriots are total imbeciles? If there was any chance that Moss would not return they would have franchised him. If they intended not to bring him back, they would have announced that as well (they have done that REGULARLY with all players that they are not going to bring back and at the very least have updated the progress on negotiations with everyone else.)NE would not just let Moss walk and get nothing in return. Unless people truly believe the Pats are total idiots.

This is exactly what I thought when they didnt franchise him. I would be completely stunned if friday rolls around and there are reports of Moss and his agent talking with other teams.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

How is Moss not worth something in the range of a 5 yr $50-$60 million deal with about $15 million just for signing the papers?

He is, which is why NE is so intent on getting him signed before Friday hits and Dallas or Denver can offer that. If Friday hits, NE will have to dole out a lot more money.

THis post has no basis in reality.

Why not? With the escalation of the salary cap, it's likely that Moss commands a high number. People realized this year that he can still be the most dominant receiver in league still given the right system and a good QB. The Patriots are reportedly offering 30 million over three years which isn't bad, but he's only getting 12 maybe 15 guaranteed over the contract. If Dallas or Denver(both rumored to be pursuing Moss) offer him a 5 year deal with 20+ million guaranteed it's going to make him think.One of the reasons he's expected to stay in NE is because he wants to win and he likes playing with a good QB and a good system. However, a team like Dallas could offer nearly the same in terms of chance to win and their offense without Moss clearly shows they have a good system. Romo is no Tom Brady, but he isn't an Andrew Walter or Aaron Brooks either.I think NE has the edge for signing him, but it's completely reasonable for them to be worried about another team swooping in with an offer that's too good to refuse.

I think it has been covered. He cannot sign anything before Friday, thus, NE is not intent on getting him signed before Friday. The almost assuredly have an agreement in place.

 

[Boston]

One thing to keep in mind here if the contracts details being thrown around are real. The 30 mil will probably all be real money since the length of the deal appears to only be three years. Unless Moss totally goes in the tank next year I see no reason as to why he shouldn't see every dollar of this deal. If this is a three year/30 mil deal it should work out very well for both parties. Moss gets a lot of money in a short period of time and the Pats don't have too much exposure long term.

 

[Workhorse]

I think it would be hilarious if Moss and the Patriots announced the signing tomorrow and simultaneously released tampering evidence of other teams trying to sign him.

 

[mad sweeney]

What I love about people and the Pats, is that if NE announced they re-signed Moss before Friday, people would either (a) again be screaming that the Patriots broke the rules and heads should roll or (b) say what's the big deal they received no competitive advantage.I am not directly suggesting that this is on par with SpyGate, but it seems like certain rules are meant to be adhered to and others not so much (in some some people's eyes).The reason why they do not let teams re-sign players twice in one season is to avoid salary cap abuse. It seems very unlikely that NE would be able to abuse the system (at least in this singular case) and mess with the salary cap. But once the new NFL year rolls over, the books on the prior season are closed and it would be impossible to alter salary cap and accounting info for the prior season.So the most offical word we can get on this for now is that Moss is expected to re-sign tomorrow . . . and all these other articles about who else will make a run at him are pretty silly IMO.

So what's the difference, and I'm not muckraking here, between having a deal in place and announcing a deal? "Legally" can Moss have already signed a deal? Or would he be bound by a verbal contract and he can't sign the official deal until Friday? Or is it really as simple as anything can be worked out and signed but they just can't announce anything until Friday?

 

[David Yudkin]

What I love about people and the Pats, is that if NE announced they re-signed Moss before Friday, people would either (a) again be screaming that the Patriots broke the rules and heads should roll or (b) say what's the big deal they received no competitive advantage.I am not directly suggesting that this is on par with SpyGate, but it seems like certain rules are meant to be adhered to and others not so much (in some some people's eyes).The reason why they do not let teams re-sign players twice in one season is to avoid salary cap abuse. It seems very unlikely that NE would be able to abuse the system (at least in this singular case) and mess with the salary cap. But once the new NFL year rolls over, the books on the prior season are closed and it would be impossible to alter salary cap and accounting info for the prior season.So the most offical word we can get on this for now is that Moss is expected to re-sign tomorrow . . . and all these other articles about who else will make a run at him are pretty silly IMO.

So what's the difference, and I'm not muckraking here, between having a deal in place and announcing a deal? "Legally" can Moss have already signed a deal? Or would he be bound by a verbal contract and he can't sign the official deal until Friday? Or is it really as simple as anything can be worked out and signed but they just can't announce anything until Friday?

Technically, Moss cannot sign a deal until tomorrow, so I would assume that is when he will sign it. So they agreed to terms prior to tomorrow, but it is not official until he signs it dated 2-29-08 or later.So we are to believe that (wink, wink) NE 's first offer will be made after midnight tonight and then summarily accepted by Moss just after that.Of course the Pats and Moss have been talking about this for months and likely reached the terms of a deal a long time ago, but they can't do anything about it until tomorrow.Somewhat similarly, a few years ago they reached an agreement to change the terms of Richard Seymour's contract, but it could not become official until 3/1. The difference there was that he had not reworked his deal during the season, so the team could announce it but it was not official until 3/1.

 

[mad sweeney]

What I love about people and the Pats, is that if NE announced they re-signed Moss before Friday, people would either (a) again be screaming that the Patriots broke the rules and heads should roll or (b) say what's the big deal they received no competitive advantage.

I am not directly suggesting that this is on par with SpyGate, but it seems like certain rules are meant to be adhered to and others not so much (in some some people's eyes).

The reason why they do not let teams re-sign players twice in one season is to avoid salary cap abuse. It seems very unlikely that NE would be able to abuse the system (at least in this singular case) and mess with the salary cap. But once the new NFL year rolls over, the books on the prior season are closed and it would be impossible to alter salary cap and accounting info for the prior season.

So the most offical word we can get on this for now is that Moss is expected to re-sign tomorrow . . . and all these other articles about who else will make a run at him are pretty silly IMO.

So what's the difference, and I'm not muckraking here, between having a deal in place and announcing a deal? "Legally" can Moss have already signed a deal? Or would he be bound by a verbal contract and he can't sign the official deal until Friday? Or is it really as simple as anything can be worked out and signed but they just can't announce anything until Friday?

Technically, Moss cannot sign a deal until tomorrow, so I would assume that is when he will sign it. So they agreed to terms prior to tomorrow, but it is not official until he signs it dated 2-29-08 or later.So we are to believe that (wink, wink) NE 's first offer will be made after midnight tonight and then summarily accepted by Moss just after that.

Of course the Pats and Moss have been talking about this for months and likely reached the terms of a deal a long time ago, but they can't do anything about it until tomorrow.

Somewhat similarly, a few years ago they reached an agreement to change the terms of Richard Seymour's contract, but it could not become official until 3/1. The difference there was that he had not reworked his deal during the season, so the team could announce it but it was not official until 3/1.

But negotiations are not prohibited? It's just the actual signing, and therefore the terms of the contract, that cannot happen until Friday?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Randy Moss cannot officially be signed until Friday. The league has a rule that says each player is limited to one contract revision per NFL calender year, and Moss used his up to redo the terms of his contract to come to NE.So the Pats cannot announce his signing until 2/29. From everything that I have heard, they will announce that he re-signed at that point. As I have been mentioning several times over the past few months, I had heard that Moss and the Pats had been working on a new deal since November and at no point did it seem that the two sides were combative.From what I have heard, NE is not scrambling to sign Moss as many are suggesting. They CANNOT announce that he has agreed on a new deal, and I wish people in the media would understand this instead of specualting everything under the sun because a deal has not been announced.So there can be no official link at this point because the team has not announced it. And given the amount of times that Clayton has swung and missed at Patriots news this year, I would advise people to take what he says with a grain of salt.

absolutely correct on all counts.

 

[David Yudkin]

But negotiations are not prohibited? It's just the actual signing, and therefore the terms of the contract, that cannot happen until Friday?

I cannot with any degree of certainty answer yuor question, as I do not know the exact rule and the language that is in play either (other than what I have already mentioned).Here's the thing . . . technically no free agent can sign until 2/29. Yet I expect a feeding frenzy and several annoucements of players signing with new teams as soon as the clock strikes midnight. Technically, the original teams for these players could go after other owners saying that they were tampering with their players by negotiating with their players while they were still under contract. And yet that never happens after the SB is over. Kinda like driving 56 mph in a 55 mph zone. Is anyone really going to get ticketed for that?

 

[mad sweeney]

But negotiations are not prohibited? It's just the actual signing, and therefore the terms of the contract, that cannot happen until Friday?

I cannot with any degree of certainty answer yuor question, as I do not know the exact rule and the language that is in play either (other than what I have already mentioned).Here's the thing . . . technically no free agent can sign until 2/29. Yet I expect a feeding frenzy and several annoucements of players signing with new teams as soon as the clock strikes midnight. Technically, the original teams for these players could go after other owners saying that they were tampering with their players by negotiating with their players while they were still under contract. And yet that never happens after the SB is over. Kinda like driving 56 mph in a 55 mph zone. Is anyone really going to get ticketed for that?

Thanks, I was just curious. One more question. In Moss' case, would tampering even be a charge since they'd be "tampering" with a guy that's still under contract with themselves?

 

[David Yudkin]

But negotiations are not prohibited? It's just the actual signing, and therefore the terms of the contract, that cannot happen until Friday?

I cannot with any degree of certainty answer yuor question, as I do not know the exact rule and the language that is in play either (other than what I have already mentioned).Here's the thing . . . technically no free agent can sign until 2/29. Yet I expect a feeding frenzy and several annoucements of players signing with new teams as soon as the clock strikes midnight. Technically, the original teams for these players could go after other owners saying that they were tampering with their players by negotiating with their players while they were still under contract. And yet that never happens after the SB is over. Kinda like driving 56 mph in a 55 mph zone. Is anyone really going to get ticketed for that?

Thanks, I was just curious. One more question. In Moss' case, would tampering even be a charge since they'd be "tampering" with a guy that's still under contract with themselves?

I doubt it, and again I am not sure whether the team can officially have negotiations with him or not . . . only that they can't officially sign him until the start of the 2008 NFL calendar (2/29).

 

[Stillers Jr.]

Randy Moss cannot officially be signed until Friday. The league has a rule that says each player is limited to one contract revision per NFL calender year, and Moss used his up to redo the terms of his contract to come to NE.So the Pats cannot announce his signing until 2/29. From everything that I have heard, they will announce that he re-signed at that point. As I have been mentioning several times over the past few months, I had heard that Moss and the Pats had been working on a new deal since November and at no point did it seem that the two sides were combative.From what I have heard, NE is not scrambling to sign Moss as many are suggesting. They CANNOT announce that he has agreed on a new deal, and I wish people in the media would understand this instead of specualting everything under the sun because a deal has not been announced.So there can be no official link at this point because the team has not announced it. And given the amount of times that Clayton has swung and missed at Patriots news this year, I would advise people to take what he says with a grain of salt.

absolutely correct on all counts.

This Yudkin guy is pretty smart...