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I didn't see much diva-ness in his press conference. It seemed perfectly legit. I'm sure the press has been, and will continue to ask, about his plans following this year. So he basically gave his statement, "I like New England. They probably won't want to pay me enough to stay." Seems easy enough.
I think you are 100% correct that bill would bench him in a second if he was hurting the team, but my guess, not knowing anybody in question personally, is that randy won't 'dog it', and that bill loves and supports him as a player.again, I understand he gets a bad rap on the raider years, but the raiders /= new england --- imo, anyway.just my opinion.
Not sure what you're saying. Did the Pats play way under the cap in those years? And yes you are speculating. The Pats pay players. They don't overpay for aging stars. They're smart...for the most part.Moss probably should have kept his mouth shut if he did really want to stay here. He got paid with his last contract. Now he's getting old. But I'd take Moss' next 3 years and give him top 10 WR money no question. Doesn't matter if he goes 5 for 60.His presence changes the game. I'd hate to see him go but I don;t know if there's any turning back now. The organization will look at it like paying off the hijackers.
When the 2006 season kicked off, there was a lot of discussion about how the Pats were about $13 million under the cap. I'm sure they used some of that money over the course of the season, but I doubt they managed to find a good use to put that $13 million to.
clearly, bob kraft is a miserly old curmudgeon who, rather than paying his employees a living wage, pocketed the extra cash and forced the poor players to heat the locker room with a single lump of coal.When the 2006 season kicked off, there was a lot of discussion about how the Pats were about $13 million under the cap. I'm sure they used some of that money over the course of the season, but I doubt they managed to find a good use to put that $13 million to.
Your response makes me think you didn't know they were $13 million under the cap at that time (I didn't either). Not sure how you turned that into a lump of coal, but it does show they had plenty of cap space. How many competitive teams kept that kind of cushion (I don't know that, either)?clearly, bob kraft is a miserly old curmudgeon who, rather than paying his employees a living wage, pocketed the extra cash and forced the poor players to heat the locker room with a single lump of coal.
the fantasy land that people live in is endlessly funny.
in this thread
According to my figures the Patriots' 2006 cap figure is $99,647,347 with 68 players (53 active) signed and a 8-man practice squad. The salary cap is $102 million. The Patriots's adjusted cap adjustment is a negative $1,990,060 so their adjusted cap number will be $100,009,940. Therefore, if my calcuations are correct, the Pats are under the cap by around $400,000. Adamjt13 reported that the Patriots ended the 2006 season under the cap by just 76 cents so my numbers are off by the same 400,000 - an error of less than 1/2 of 1 percent of the Patriots' adjusted cap.http://www.patscap.com/2006capinfo.htmlWhen the 2006 season kicked off, there was a lot of discussion about how the Pats were about $13 million under the cap. I'm sure they used some of that money over the course of the season, but I doubt they managed to find a good use to put that $13 million to.
Did we just play the first game of the 2010 season?? Why is Moss already running his mouth? This will not help him now or later.
Yeah, I just don't get why so many people continually love to jump all over Moss for the silliest things in the world. He didn't blast NE in any way, shape or form. He simply stated something that we all already know to be true. Does anyone actually know what questions Moss was asked by the press? I've still yet to hear that.I took Moss' comments as smoke signal to other teams. He's saying "hey, I still want to play football and I've still got the goods. If you are in need of a dominant WR next year contact me because NE is more than likely letting me go." Moss has simply started laying the foundation for his courtship next off-season if NE doesn't bring him back.
Thanks. Guess my earlier post was wrong.Kool-Aid Larry said:According to my figures the Patriots' 2006 cap figure is $99,647,347 with 68 players (53 active) signed and a 8-man practice squad. The salary cap is $102 million. The Patriots's adjusted cap adjustment is a negative $1,990,060 so their adjusted cap number will be $100,009,940. Therefore, if my calcuations are correct, the Pats are under the cap by around $400,000. Adamjt13 reported that the Patriots ended the 2006 season under the cap by just 76 cents so my numbers are off by the same 400,000 - an error of less than 1/2 of 1 percent of the Patriots' adjusted cap.http://www.patscap.com/2006capinfo.htmlSSOG said:Clifton said:When the 2006 season kicked off, there was a lot of discussion about how the Pats were about $13 million under the cap. I'm sure they used some of that money over the course of the season, but I doubt they managed to find a good use to put that $13 million to.
*burp*
I feel like I'm flipping channels and settled on springer for 5 min before I realized what I was watching.
fact: you don't know what you're talking about.
I wouldn't be that concerned about Moss for this year. If he's healthy, he should still be a big cog in NE. It won't get him a big contract to dog it. I still think he is playing to win a ring, and if NE stays competitive that will be a bigger indicator than his contract in terms of how will he will do. Look at how much things cost Owens over the past few years. Teams won't give big money to a malcontent.His skills really have not diminished, and he was the talk of training camp in terms of how well he played. What I don't get is what Moss things he's gaining by whining about his contract. The team knows he needs an extension. BB often times prefers to let things drag on and make current market condition offers at the last minute than extending people earlier on. I don't think that that is the best way to do things, but the Pats have been one of the most competitive teams for the last decade. Harrison tailed way off because he got hurt and seemingly never got the desire to play all that much after that. I wouldn't put Moss in that situation right now, so the situations are different IMO.
Agreed. I don't think that Moss really did anything wrong here. And I think he's 100% correct. I'd be shocked if Moss were back next year, with the Patriots continuing to get younger on both sides of the ball. Remember, the Pats will have two more first round picks in the next draft.Matthias said:
Fixed.... Brady didn't have to do too much for those wins. It was mostly great defense and coaching, and a great FG kicker. Not to take away from how good Brady is as a QB, but he doesn't make his WRs, his WRs have made him. Look at this stats with those "pedestrian" WRs, compared to with Moss and Welker. Now NE needs the O to click to win, because they can't depend on their D to win games for them, and for that O to click, they need a guy like Moss.Now perhaps they think Tate or another young WR can replace Moss, or at least Moss' impact on the offense. I wouldn't question it, since they've made enough smart decisions to be given the benefit of the doubt.
The reason they were able to get up to the cap is because they front-loaded a bunch of bonuses so they'd count that year instead of the year they were supposed to count. There was a huge to-do (probably a dozen threads between June and September) in 2006 about the fact that the Patriots were $12-15 million under the cap. Someone even posted a link to that exact same Pat's Cap page you just linked to in order to prove it. They most certainly didn't sign $12-15 million worth of players, so obviously there was some number-pushing going on behind the scenes. Future cap relief is all well and good, but entering a season where you're superbowl contenders, your star QB just took a below-market contract so you could surround him with weapons, and you respond by getting him Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell... well, I don't think that exactly qualifies as putting that cap space to good use. The fact that Brady openly threw the front office under the bus in the media suggests that perhaps he agrees.Edit: Also, the fact that Brady didn't give New England the home town discount a second time also suggests that perhaps he agrees.Kool-Aid Larry said:
It is astonishing how biased and clueless you are when discussing the Patriots or the Colts.
The guy is unreal. I honestly can't tell if he's constantly fishing or not. I almost hope so because if he's not I'd feel bad for him. switz, suck it up, the Pats won 3 Super Bowls in the last decade and the Colts have won 1. Nothing is going to change that. Brady is a first ballot HOF, deal with it.SSOG, you're nuts and misinformed. The Patriots and Kraft spend money. You should go back and delete your posts and save yourself the embarrassment....highly misinformed. You'd think your post was in response to a Pirates thread. The Patriots have developed a system. They spend as much as any other team, they just spend it wisely. What that means is there not going to overpay...especially for guys in the twilight of their careers.
Except you just did. I agree that "Brady" didn't win those games, as in he didn't single-handedly carry the team. But the idea that he didn't have to do much is just false. He was an important part of the SB and playoff wins. You're thinking of Trent Dilfer. He didn't have to do much.
You misquoted me... nevertheless, in two of the three wins Brady was a relatively replaceable component. I'll give that in '03 Brady was a large part of the reason they won, he had 354 yards and 3 TDs.As for Brady's 2004 game, it ranks 41st out of the SB passing performances. There have only been 43 SBs played so far... what does that say about how much Brady did to help them win?
Kinda funny but both Dilfer's and Brady's '01 performances ranked below the performances of some backups who came into SBs to play.145 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT - Brady in the 2001 SB
Brady's rating for his game in 2004 is still higher than the year Peyton Manning won a SB. I guess we should say Manning did even less for the Colts to win that game.
I would agree... I've said in the past that the Colts can't expect to win without a defense, and just Manning.I was happy when the Colts started addressing defensive needs, and thrilled when NE decided to ignore theirs and go after high octane offensive fireworks. Defense wins championships, period.
Sorry about the misquote. My mistake. I wouldn't change anything else I wrote, though. That post definitely tried to take away how good Brady is as a QB. If you want to say "Brady didn't do too much in the 2001 Super Bowl," I'll go along with that. But Brady has a resume full of titles and playoffs, which I think mitigate your comments.
Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree.
They haven't decided not to resign Moss. Get back to us in a year if and when that happens.
I didn't say they've decided to never resign Moss. People need to stop reading into what I write, or putting words into my mouth.Have they resigned him? No. Period. Nothing in my statement went beyond the here and now.I could write "The Pats are the greatest team on earth" and some of you would find something to pick out of it to argue about...
"If Laurence Maroney rushes for 1,300 yards and 13 TD for the Patriots in 2010, I will resign my position at FBG."David, does this carry over to Denver? lolz
