Rank the rookies after round 1 (1 Viewer)

[footballsavvy]

Assume basic dynasty value (ppr).

1. Richardson

2. RG3 (? probably depends on your team need?)

3. Blackmon?

4. Floyd?

5. Martin?

6. Wilson

7. Luck

I really have no idea at this point. Things got muddled for me. I feel like its Richardson in his own tier, then the next 4 in a tier, then the last two. I guess when we see where a couple of other guys end up, things will adjust more. At this point I'm feeling ok picking if I'm picking 1.05, but trading down out of 1.02-1.03. After 1.05 its probably going to be one giant pot luck tier into the early 2nd round.

Thoughts?

 

[eakfootball]

Martin might be the 1.2 right now.

 

[JaYz0618]

I agree with that. I hold the 1.4 in two leagues and doubt martin will b there now in either

 

[Terpman22]

Richardson

Luck

Griffin

Martin

Blackmon

Floyd

Wright

Wilson

Jenkins

Weeden

Edit: had floyd and blackmon swapped. oops.

 

[BallparkFrank]

I can guarantee you Martin will go before the QB's in my main dynasty league...

 

[JaYz0618]

Why floyd over blackmon. Floyd will b second fiddle for a while. Blackmon will b a focal point.

 

[Buck Stop]

I can guarantee you Martin will go before the QB's in my main dynasty league...

Newton's explosion last year will help the cause for QBs going earlier, but I agree with you. Martin will probably be top 3 in any league now.

 

[EBF]

First crack at it:

RB Trent Richardson, Browns

RB Doug Martin, Bucs

WR Justin Blackmon, Jaguars

WR Michael Floyd, Cardinals

QB Andrew Luck, Colts

QB Robert Griffin, Redskins

WR Kendall Wright, Titans

RB David Wilson, Giants

WR AJ Jenkins, 49ers

Tanehill and Weeden = Fuhgeddaboutit

Not sure I'd really take Martin over Blackmon, but he's surely a top 3 pick for me. Instant plug-and-play starter who can give you top 10 RB numbers right off the bat.

Hardest part of this is figuring out how to value the QBs relative to the other players. No doubt that Luck and RG3 are super elite prospects. Only question is...do you take a great QB prospect over a merely good RB/WR prospect? In other words, do you take Luck and Griffin over Wilson/Martin/Floyd? I don't think there will be a clear consensus between 1.02-1.06 because I think a lot of people are going to wrestle with this question and come up with different answers.

 

[Truman]

I can guarantee you Martin will go before the QB's in my main dynasty league...

Floyd will slide as well after going to Cards.Richardson MartinBlackmonGriffinLuckWilsonFloydWrightJenkins

 

[Time Kibitzer]

My tiered rankings for players drafted so far:

1) Trent Richardson

2) Andrew Luck

3) Robert Griffin III

4) David Wilson

5) Michael Floyd

6) Justin Blackmon

7) Doug Martin

8) AJ Jenkins

9) Kendall Wright

10) Brandon Weeden

11) Ryan Tannehill

 

[Buckna]

Martin moves to #3, possibly #2 for people scared of Jax. I think that's a mistake but you never know. Value of 4&5 are about the same except somebody will be disappointed they are stuck taking a QB in a start 1 league. Floyd and Wright's value craters, can see a few WR's or RB's going early 2nd tomorrow I would rather have.

 

[BigTex]

First crack at it:RB Trent Richardson, BrownsRB Doug Martin, BucsWR Justin Blackmon, JaguarsWR Michael Floyd, CardinalsQB Andrew Luck, ColtsQB Robert Griffin, RedskinsWR Kendall Wright, TitansRB David Wilson, GiantsWR AJ Jenkins, 49ersTanehill and Weeden = Fuhgeddaboutit Not sure I'd really take Martin over Blackmon, but he's surely a top 3 pick for me. Instant plug-and-play starter who can give you top 10 RB numbers right off the bat. Hardest part of this is figuring out how to value the QBs relative to the other players. No doubt that Luck and RG3 are super elite prospects. Only question is...do you take a great QB prospect over a merely good RB/WR prospect? In other words, do you take Luck and Griffin over Wilson/Martin/Floyd? I don't think there will be a clear consensus between 1.02-1.06 because I think a lot of people are going to wrestle with this question and come up with different answers.

Jenkins, Weeden and Wilson are the ones that have me scratching my head. Maybe not so much Wilson as Jenkins but we'll see.

 

[EBF]

Jenkins, Weeden and Wilson are the ones that have me scratching my head. Maybe not so much Wilson as Jenkins but we'll see.

Jenkins was definitely the biggest shocker of day one for me. I think Tannehill was a big reach and the Weeden pick is a big gamble, but we knew those were possibilities all along. I never thought Jenkins would sniff the first round. He looks like a Titus Young type. I thought 2nd-3rd round. My gut reaction was "reach," but I'm definitely going to go back and have a second look at him. It's not like he's a nobody. He was a productive player last season. I have a lot of respect for Harbaugh and co's football acumen, so if they liked this guy enough to stand pat and draft him then maybe he's just that good.

 

[BigTex]

Martin moves to #3, possibly #2 for people scared of Jax. I think that's a mistake but you never know. Value of 4&5 are about the same except somebody will be disappointed they are stuck taking a QB in a start 1 league. Floyd and Wright's value craters, can see a few WR's or RB's going early 2nd tomorrow I would rather have.

My thoughts exactly. We should see the TEs go off the board too.

 

[JOBOOZOSO]

Find a way into pick 1.05.

Let other teams make your pick for you. Low stress.

6 and 7 should be the WR's.

 

[BigTex]

Jenkins, Weeden and Wilson are the ones that have me scratching my head. Maybe not so much Wilson as Jenkins but we'll see.

Jenkins was definitely the biggest shocker of day one for me. I think Tannehill was a big reach and the Weeden pick is a big gamble, but we knew those were possibilities all along. I never thought Jenkins would sniff the first round. He looks like a Titus Young type. I thought 2nd-3rd round. My gut reaction was "reach," but I'm definitely going to go back and have a second look at him. It's not like he's a nobody. He was a productive player last season. I have a lot of respect for Harbaugh and co's football acumen, so if they liked this guy enough to stand pat and draft him then maybe he's just that good.

Jenkins received a lot of hype in the beginning of the year but the more games I looked at, I was not impressed at all. He looked like a possession WR to me. I agree with your 2-3 evaluation definitely not a 1st.

 

[Shawnky]

I can guarantee you Martin will go before the QB's in my main dynasty league...

Floyd will slide as well after going to Cards.Richardson MartinBlackmonGriffinLuckWilsonFloydWrightJenkins

Why would Floyd slide? Julio seems to get a great deal of hype coming from a similar situation. Most have him ranked higher than White in dynasty formats, and the situations are extremely similar.

 

[cstu]

Jenkins, Weeden and Wilson are the ones that have me scratching my head. Maybe not so much Wilson as Jenkins but we'll see.

Jenkins was definitely the biggest shocker of day one for me. I think Tannehill was a big reach and the Weeden pick is a big gamble, but we knew those were possibilities all along. I never thought Jenkins would sniff the first round. He looks like a Titus Young type. I thought 2nd-3rd round. My gut reaction was "reach," but I'm definitely going to go back and have a second look at him. It's not like he's a nobody. He was a productive player last season. I have a lot of respect for Harbaugh and co's football acumen, so if they liked this guy enough to stand pat and draft him then maybe he's just that good.

He could also be a guy who's better for the 49ers than for fantasy. With Smith at QB I don't see how he's going to be much more than a fantasy WR3.

 

[az_prof]

Martin might be the 1.2 right now.

THis is how I see it. He landed in a good spot, where he can be clear RB1, and on a team that should have a good offense. I like his talent a lot anyway on top of the situation.

 

[cstu]

Why would Floyd slide? Julio seems to get a great deal of hype coming from a similar situation. Most have him ranked higher than White in dynasty formats, and the situations are extremely similar.

First, Floyd isn't as good as Julio. Second, Julio has Matt Ryan not Kolb/Skelton. Third, Fitzgerald is a year younger than White and just signed a contract that means he'll be in AZ for the rest of his career.

 

[Truman]

I can guarantee you Martin will go before the QB's in my main dynasty league...

Floyd will slide as well after going to Cards.Richardson MartinBlackmonGriffinLuckWilsonFloydWrightJenkins

Why would Floyd slide? Julio seems to get a great deal of hype coming from a similar situation. Most have him ranked higher than White in dynasty formats, and the situations are extremely similar.

Main difference would be QB - Ryan v Kolb. Second difference would be offense - ATL v ARI. 3rd difference would be role in offense - Julio is #1 for ATL, Floyd will never overtake Fitzgerald.

 

[Truman]

Why would Floyd slide? Julio seems to get a great deal of hype coming from a similar situation. Most have him ranked higher than White in dynasty formats, and the situations are extremely similar.

First, Floyd isn't as good as Julio.

That too. My post only compares situation, not talent gap

 

[Shawnky]

Why would Floyd slide? Julio seems to get a great deal of hype coming from a similar situation. Most have him ranked higher than White in dynasty formats, and the situations are extremely similar.

First, Floyd isn't as good as Julio. Second, Julio has Matt Ryan not Kolb/Skelton. Third, Fitzgerald is a year younger than White and just signed a contract that means he'll be in AZ for the rest of his career.

To each his own, but outside of the QB situation (which could change) I don't see a difference.

 

[BigTex]

Jenkins, Weeden and Wilson are the ones that have me scratching my head. Maybe not so much Wilson as Jenkins but we'll see.

Jenkins was definitely the biggest shocker of day one for me. I think Tannehill was a big reach and the Weeden pick is a big gamble, but we knew those were possibilities all along. I never thought Jenkins would sniff the first round. He looks like a Titus Young type. I thought 2nd-3rd round. My gut reaction was "reach," but I'm definitely going to go back and have a second look at him. It's not like he's a nobody. He was a productive player last season. I have a lot of respect for Harbaugh and co's football acumen, so if they liked this guy enough to stand pat and draft him then maybe he's just that good.

He could also be a guy who's better for the 49ers than for fantasy. With Smith at QB I don't see how he's going to be much more than a fantasy WR3.

Agreed 100%

 

[BallparkFrank]

Looking head to tomorrow,the Rams have 3 second rounders including the first pick with Reuben Randle, Stephen Hill, Alshon Jeffrey, etc. still available. Gotta believe the Rams and Browns are likely to pluck 2 of those guys quickly.

 

[az_prof]

Richardson

Martin

Blackmon

Luck

Griffin

Floyd

Wright

Wilson

Jenkins

 

[Time Kibitzer]

I can guarantee you Martin will go before the QB's in my main dynasty league...

Floyd will slide as well after going to Cards.Richardson MartinBlackmonGriffinLuckWilsonFloydWrightJenkins

Why would Floyd slide? Julio seems to get a great deal of hype coming from a similar situation. Most have him ranked higher than White in dynasty formats, and the situations are extremely similar.

I don't see how Floyd's value craters at all, if anything I think Blackmon's value craters going to Jacksonville. Blackmon will have probably the worst QB in the league throwing him the ball, and he'll be getting the opposing teams CB1 more often than not. Fitzgerald will be taking the CB1 and safety help at Arizona giving Floyd lots of space to work down low, and considering Kolb has evasion problems, I'm expecting a lot of dumpoffs to Floyd in the near future; and there's already history of the WR2 opposite Fitzgerald putting up gaudy fantasy stats. I think Floyd's fantasy value increased after being drafted by Arizona, particularly in PPR leagues.

 

[BigTex]

Looking head to tomorrow,the Rams have 3 second rounders including the first pick with Reuben Randle, Stephen Hill, Alshon Jeffrey, etc. still available. Gotta believe the Rams and Browns are likely to pluck 2 of those guys quickly.

I guess the Alshon vs Blackmon debate can be put to rest now.

 

[EBF]

Looking head to tomorrow,the Rams have 3 second rounders including the first pick with Reuben Randle, Stephen Hill, Alshon Jeffrey, etc. still available. Gotta believe the Rams and Browns are likely to pluck 2 of those guys quickly.

I wonder if they were targeting Floyd at #14. I think there's a huge gap between him and guys like Hill/Randle, and I think the Rams really lost that gamble big time. I would not be too pleased about having to settle for one of the guys you listed. They're all big time gambles, whereas Floyd looks pretty close to a sure thing IMO.

 

[BigTex]

Looking head to tomorrow,the Rams have 3 second rounders including the first pick with Reuben Randle, Stephen Hill, Alshon Jeffrey, etc. still available. Gotta believe the Rams and Browns are likely to pluck 2 of those guys quickly.

I wonder if they were targeting Floyd at #14. I think there's a huge gap between him and guys like Hill/Randle, and I think the Rams really lost that gamble big time. I would not be too pleased about having to settle for one of the guys you listed. They're all big time gambles, whereas Floyd looks pretty close to a sure thing IMO.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Everyone originally had them taking Blackmon now White and Floyd are off the board. I don't think when they 1st made their trades they saw this as the likely scenario.

 

[Fallerjw]

Martin might be the 1.2 right now.

He's my 1.1Great line, NFL quality WRs on the roster, etc

 

[EBF]

Blackmon who was never an elite talent IMO going to a not so great situation.

I think some people are really selling Blackmon short.How exactly do you define elite talent?Blackmon dominated in college and convinced a pro scouting department to trade up into the top 5 of a good draft to secure his services. I know he doesn't have the height or stopwatch speed that people like to talk about, but given his collegiate production and draft pedigree I think it's a bit unfair to say he isn't an elite talent unless your definition of elite only includes Andre and Calvin Johnson.I got a chance to see Blackmon in person at the Fiesta Bowl and I can safely say that he dominated Stanford's secondary in a way that even players like Michael Floyd, Robert Woods, and Marqise Lee were unable to do this past season. He made them look like schoolboys, and there are some decent athletes in that crew. I think I'm more excited about Blackmon than most. Jacksonville has been needing a true #1 WR for a decade and he finally gives them that player. Good pick, IMO.

 

[golfguy]

Blackmon who was never an elite talent IMO going to a not so great situation.

I think some people are really selling Blackmon short.How exactly do you define elite talent?Blackmon dominated in college and convinced a pro scouting department to trade up into the top 5 of a good draft to secure his services. I know he doesn't have the height or stopwatch speed that people like to talk about, but given his collegiate production and draft pedigree I think it's a bit unfair to say he isn't an elite talent unless your definition of elite only includes Andre and Calvin Johnson.I got a chance to see Blackmon in person at the Fiesta Bowl and I can safely say that he dominated Stanford's secondary in a way that even players like Michael Floyd, Robert Woods, and Marqise Lee were unable to do this past season. He made them look like schoolboys, and there are some decent athletes in that crew. I think I'm more excited about Blackmon than most. Jacksonville has been needing a true #1 WR for a decade and he finally gives them that player. Good pick, IMO.

shhh. let them keep thinking this.

 

[Steed]

That pro scouting dept has continuously missed on wrs in the 1st round.

Matt jones, Reggie Williams, r. Jay soward,. There late round and free agent wrs outside of Jimmy smith have also been atrocious.

 

[5Rings]

Martin might be the 1.2 right now.

He's my 1.1Great line, NFL quality WRs on the roster, etc

don't be the guy who took Michael Bennett

 

[EBF]

That pro scouting dept has continuously missed on wrs in the 1st round.Matt jones, Reggie Williams, r. Jay soward,. There late round and free agent wrs outside of Jimmy smith have also been atrocious.

Sure, but when a team trades up to get a player it is usually because they have some intel that a team in that range is going to take him. It's not like the Jags made a huge reach. Blackmon has been in the top 10 of almost every mock, often in the top 6-7 picks. He is pretty unanimously considered to be an elite prospect. As for the players you named, there are many reasons why they didn't pan out, many of which have nothing to do with football. All three of them had major character issues. Soward was a complete headcase. Jones was a headcase who also had the difficult task of learning a new position. Williams is the most direct comparison because he was a productive college player with prototypical tools, and he had some success for the team. I think his lack of intelligence and focus hurt his career though. A team's track record is not irrelevant, but it doesn't mean everything either. How many elite RBs did the Chargers draft before LT? How many had the Vikings picked before Peterson? How had the Titans been doing before they got Chris Johnson? You know the old saying...sometimes even a blind squirrel finds a nut.

 

[Stitch]

1. Richardson

2. Martin

3. RG3

4. Luck

5. Wilson

6. Blackmon

7. Floyd

8. Wright

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I love Blackmon but hate Blaine Gabbert. Martin is right there with him in the top tier now.

 

[The Comedian]

I play in mainly 16 team leagues where QB's get 6 points for TD's, so for me:

1. Trent

2. Luck

3. Griffin (or swap them, whatever)

4. Martin

5. Floyd

6. Blackmon

7. Wright

8. Wilson

9. Tannehill

10. Weeden

If Miller lands in a good spot, particularly Denver, he can possibly join Martin in that second tier, otherwise he'll be in the third tier.

I have no idea where to put AJ Jenkins, but not yet.

A lot of the 2nd round guys will push Tannehill/Weeden down, even in a QB heavy league format like this.

 

[King of the Jungle]

My tiered rankings for players drafted so far:1) Trent Richardson2) Andrew Luck3) Robert Griffin III4) David Wilson5) Michael Floyd6) Justin Blackmon7) Doug Martin8) AJ Jenkins9) Kendall Wright10) Brandon Weeden11) Ryan Tannehill

I agree 100% with what you posted. People passing on elite QBs for starter RBs will be sorry in 2-3 years.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

Looking head to tomorrow,the Rams have 3 second rounders including the first pick with Reuben Randle, Stephen Hill, Alshon Jeffrey, etc. still available. Gotta believe the Rams and Browns are likely to pluck 2 of those guys quickly.

I wonder if they were targeting Floyd at #14. I think there's a huge gap between him and guys like Hill/Randle, and I think the Rams really lost that gamble big time. I would not be too pleased about having to settle for one of the guys you listed. They're all big time gambles, whereas Floyd looks pretty close to a sure thing IMO.

According to a Yahoo report the Rams wanted Blackmon, but after not getting him were hoping to get Brockers. Floyd wasn't even on the radar.

 

[renesauz]

Not sure I've ever seen a year where I was happy holding a late 1st before now. Seriously strong crop this year.

 

[renesauz]

My tiered rankings for players drafted so far:1) Trent Richardson2) Andrew Luck3) Robert Griffin III4) David Wilson5) Michael Floyd6) Justin Blackmon7) Doug Martin8) AJ Jenkins9) Kendall Wright10) Brandon Weeden11) Ryan Tannehill

I agree 100% with what you posted. People passing on elite QBs for starter RBs will be sorry in 2-3 years.

This is very highly league dependant. In many dynasty leagues, RB's 25-35 are MUCH harder and more expensive to aquire than QB's 16-25. Where you stick QB's in you rookie rankings is going to be highly reflective of the league.IN several of my leagues, I wouldn't consider Luck or RGIII until at least the 6th or 7th pick. In a couple, they'll go top five with Tannehill not that far behind.Most of us are looking at this thread for the relative rankings of RBs and WRs and will slot the QB's where appropriate for our leagues.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

love where Floyd went, I can guarnatee that Arizona will not be starting Kolb/Skelton in 2013, unless Kolb greatly improves.

Doug Martin should go at #2 in every league.

Then I can see some QB needy type squads grabbing RG3/Luck at 3/4.

Blackmon in the mix at 3/4 as well

 

[Shutout]

I can guarantee you Martin will go before the QB's in my main dynasty league...

Floyd will slide as well after going to Cards.Richardson MartinBlackmonGriffinLuckWilsonFloydWrightJenkins

Why would Floyd slide? Julio seems to get a great deal of hype coming from a similar situation. Most have him ranked higher than White in dynasty formats, and the situations are extremely similar.

I don't see how Floyd's value craters at all, if anything I think Blackmon's value craters going to Jacksonville. Blackmon will have probably the worst QB in the league throwing him the ball, and he'll be getting the opposing teams CB1 more often than not. Fitzgerald will be taking the CB1 and safety help at Arizona giving Floyd lots of space to work down low, and considering Kolb has evasion problems, I'm expecting a lot of dumpoffs to Floyd in the near future; and there's already history of the WR2 opposite Fitzgerald putting up gaudy fantasy stats. I think Floyd's fantasy value increased after being drafted by Arizona, particularly in PPR leagues.

Absolutely agree. Pus, people are overlooking the fact that Floyd gets to learn from Fitz...every day. That in itself will account for a lot. I think Floyd and Blackmon flip spots and everything else stays the same, with teams who really need RBs now being willing to take Martin and let one of the QBs slide.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Looking head to tomorrow,the Rams have 3 second rounders including the first pick with Reuben Randle, Stephen Hill, Alshon Jeffrey, etc. still available. Gotta believe the Rams and Browns are likely to pluck 2 of those guys quickly.

I wonder if they were targeting Floyd at #14. I think there's a huge gap between him and guys like Hill/Randle, and I think the Rams really lost that gamble big time. I would not be too pleased about having to settle for one of the guys you listed. They're all big time gambles, whereas Floyd looks pretty close to a sure thing IMO.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Everyone originally had them taking Blackmon now White and Floyd are off the board. I don't think when they 1st made their trades they saw this as the likely scenario.

I think they were targeting Floyd at 14 too. I wish we could have seen the Rams war room when they found out Arizona was taking Floyd. My guess is jaws hit the floor as they realized they dropped too far down. I still think Randle or Hill will be their pick early tonight. My rankings after Round 1 (based on how I think they get drafted in my main league):Richardson

Martin

Blackmon

Luck

Griffin

Floyd

Wilson

 

[belljr]

I doubt in my league both Qb's go early. Just the way it is.

I'm at 1.6 and am assuming one will be available if not both

 

[BeTheMatch]

I love Blackmon but hate Blaine Gabbert. Martin is right there with him in the top tier now.

Unless you're talking redraft, who cares? IMO, Gabbert gets one season to turn himself around. If he can't, the Jags will be terrible again and picking near the top of a draft next year that should have a number of quality QBs in the first round.

 

[humpback]

Not sure I've ever seen a year where I was happy holding a late 1st before now. Seriously strong crop this year.

I'm not seeing it- how late are you talking, and who do you think is seriously strong there?

 

[saintfool]

I love Blackmon but hate Blaine Gabbert. Martin is right there with him in the top tier now.

Unless you're talking redraft, who cares? IMO, Gabbert gets one season to turn himself around. If he can't, the Jags will be terrible again and picking near the top of a draft next year that should have a number of quality QBs in the first round.

bingo.