I doubt he sees the field much in the preseasonGoreRemember last year when LaMont Jordan was in everyones PPR top 10 when Norv Turner left the Raiders?I really like Gore as a RB, but I am waiting till the preseason to try and judge how many balls will be thrown his way.
I see Leon Washington and perhaps others as still being involved. Not that I wouldn't own him but not before he became a value pick. That said, I expect him to go high and he's just not someone I would reach for with expected mid RB2 numbers and the risk of less.I understand the sentiment (and agree) with regard to Benson/Lendale but why Jones? He's proven that he can be a good starting rb, they had nearly the same # of attempts as Chicago did last year, and they have a young and improving line. He's a good wr and Pennington is good at the dumpoff.I will likely not try to own Benson, LenDale, and TJones unless the value is great.
I'm curious about that ranking too. Barber has some talent, but I don't think he's clearly a better option than Julius Jones. I think it will be tough for either of those guys to have a monster year unless one of them leaves.I am torn on MB3 and would like to hear why Jeff thinks he's a RB1.
He's the same player on the same team. He'll do fine. The only reason I'd be concerned about Gore is his extensive injury history.GoreRemember last year when LaMont Jordan was in everyones PPR top 10 when Norv Turner left the Raiders?I really like Gore as a RB, but I am waiting till the preseason to try and judge how many balls will be thrown his way.
We really differ on this one then. I just can't see him outperforming 2006 as his high end with Washington likely to steal time and perhaps a GL back available too. This is also a team less likely to be grinding away late leads let alone the injury risk. I just can't see him as a RB1 but somewhere as a mid RB2 I would strongly consider him after the top WR's are gone.T. Jones is looking like a great pick in the late first round of FF drafts. I think he'll have his best year as a pro if he stays healthy.
I really think he's head-and-shoulders above Washington.We really differ on this one then. I just can't see him outperforming 2006 as his high end with Washington likely to steal time and perhaps a GL back available too. This is also a team less likely to be grinding away late leads let alone the injury risk. I just can't see him as a RB1 but somewhere as a mid RB2 I would strongly consider him after the top WR's are gone.T. Jones is looking like a great pick in the late first round of FF drafts. I think he'll have his best year as a pro if he stays healthy.
You're kidding right?17) Portis
In 2005 Jordan had 70 receptions. In 2006 Both Jordan and Fargas had 23 combined.Gore had 61 last year and Norv is gone. I'll be watching the system this preseason, regardless of who is starting.This could mean a differance of 50 or so points plus in PPR and should not be ignored.He's the same player on the same team. He'll do fine. The only reason I'd be concerned about Gore is his extensive injury history.GoreRemember last year when LaMont Jordan was in everyones PPR top 10 when Norv Turner left the Raiders?I really like Gore as a RB, but I am waiting till the preseason to try and judge how many balls will be thrown his way.
could see NYJ as a home for Goal-line guy TJ Duckett??We really differ on this one then. I just can't see him outperforming 2006 as his high end with Washington likely to steal time and perhaps a GL back available too. This is also a team less likely to be grinding away late leads let alone the injury risk. I just can't see him as a RB1 but somewhere as a mid RB2 I would strongly consider him after the top WR's are gone.T. Jones is looking like a great pick in the late first round of FF drafts. I think he'll have his best year as a pro if he stays healthy.
I don't think the Jets need more guys in the backfield with Jones, Washington and Houston. Even Brad Smith has lined up there on a few occasions.could see NYJ as a home for Goal-line guy TJ Duckett??We really differ on this one then. I just can't see him outperforming 2006 as his high end with Washington likely to steal time and perhaps a GL back available too. This is also a team less likely to be grinding away late leads let alone the injury risk. I just can't see him as a RB1 but somewhere as a mid RB2 I would strongly consider him after the top WR's are gone.T. Jones is looking like a great pick in the late first round of FF drafts. I think he'll have his best year as a pro if he stays healthy.
And it's not like it ever really began, other than one sizable TD year.I think TJ Ducketts career is about over, fantasy wise anyway
And as I was typing, it looks like the Giants have made a play for Reuben Droughns.That bumps B.Jacobs up my list a bit, since he should start over Droughns, I would think.The Giants missed out on D.Rhodes, W.McGahee, T.Jones, and A.Green, and probably won't pony up a first and third for M.Turner. But I seem to be one of the few people who think that Brandon Jacobs could be effective as an every-down back. That is a situation worth watching.
I have not done any projections yet, so these comments are just my initial impressions.Tomlinson is obviously number one. There's nothing interesting about that in leagues that use a serpentine draft. The interesting thing will be how much more he goes for than anyone else in auction leagues.Steven Jackson and Larry Johnson are two and three, and I would go with Jackson because I don't think the Chiefs will fix their offensive line problems. They lost Willie Roaf last year and will probably lose Will Shields this year plus Casey Weigmann is on his last legs, and Jordan Black really played poorly last year. (Will Kyle Turley ever be a solid tackle again?) They may be looking at four new starters, with only Brian Waters a lock to keep his starting job.I'd still take LJ third, though. He'll get too many touches to pass up at number three.I'd take Shaun Alexander fourth. I think he'll bounce back from his disappointing 2006 season. Too bad for Alexander that the Seahawks couldn't sign Kris Dielman. Still, I think Alexander will return to 4+ YPC this year, and easily over 300 carries if he stays healthy.Looking at the list in post #3, Clinton Portis really jumps out at me as being ranked way too low. Rudi Johnson is also too low.Cedric Benson has nice upside, but I don't think I'd draft him in the second round, which is where he'll go. Too much of a risk for my tastes. I would take Edgerrin James, Ronnie Brown, and Chester Taylor ahead of Benson.The Giants missed out on D.Rhodes, W.McGahee, T.Jones, and A.Green, and probably won't pony up a first and third for M.Turner. But I seem to be one of the few people who think that Brandon Jacobs could be effective as an every-down back. That is a situation worth watching.Reggie Bush is really hard to rank. He's at number six on the consensus list, which is really high for a guy who shares the backfield with Deuce McAllister. But he's one of the top few backs in the league in terms of talent. I don't know if I could bring myself to pull the trigger on him in the middle of the first round, but I love his upside potential.I like Maroney and Addai quite a bit, and would take either one in a heartbeat before Willie parker.Travis Henry is intriguing in Denver, but it's really not the same Bronco offense that made fantasy stars out Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, and Reuben Droughns. The Broncos scored only twelve rushing touchdowns last year as a team. I don't think Henry is overrated at #13, but I don't think he's underrated, either.Westbrook, Gore, and Bush all seem rated a bit high at 4, 5, and 6 -- but other than Shaun Alexander I don't know who I would take ahead of them. I think I would just hope to have one of the top picks or one of the bottom picks this year. Picking in the middle of the first round doesn't seem too enticing.
You just saved me a lot of time trying to mull over RB in redraft leagues...seriously this year there is more talent and depth at RB than I can remember in a long time. Sure the top3 are who you want...but you're telling me there are plenty of RB2 pick wise that have a chance to out perform their draft spots by a mile.I do not consider myself the expert AND was hoping to develop a Shark Pool Consensus, but here goes.....
1) Tomlinson - that I am sure of
2) S Jackson
3) Larry Johnson
4) Westbrook
5) Frank Gore
6) Reggie Bush
7) S Alexander
8) Maroney
9) Willie Parker
10) Addai
11) Thomas Jones
12) Rudi Johnson
13) Travis Henry...value
14) Benson
15) McGahee...value
16) Edge James
17) Portis...value
18) Ronnie Brown...value
19) Ahman Green
20) C Taylor
21) L Jordan
22) Caddilac Williams...value
23) T Bell
24) Jacobs
25) Jamal Lewis
I think there will be a lot of VARIATION in the rankings after the top three
But at least SF should be running basically the same offense. They're not bringing in a guy from a Bed and Breakfast to run a 1970's era scheme.I agree that it bears watching though.In 2005 Jordan had 70 receptions. In 2006 Both Jordan and Fargas had 23 combined.Gore had 61 last year and Norv is gone. I'll be watching the system this preseason, regardless of who is starting.This could mean a differance of 50 or so points plus in PPR and should not be ignored.
Last year MB3 was 19th in PPR leagues, and he wasn't the primary back.I expect that he becomes more of the feature back and JJ is minimized.Last year: 12th was 230.2 points in WCOFF scoring. 19th was 204.1. That's less than a 10 yard catch a game.He's long been rumored to become the #1 ball carrier (and receiver) RB in Dallas this season.RB1 is attainable.I'm curious about that ranking too. Barber has some talent, but I don't think he's clearly a better option than Julius Jones. I think it will be tough for either of those guys to have a monster year unless one of them leaves.I am torn on MB3 and would like to hear why Jeff thinks he's a RB1.
Jacobs is useless in any scoring system now. Droughns will be the primary. He's a proven feature RB. Jacobs hasn't had 100 carries in a season, Reuben has done that in 4-5 games.And as I was typing, it looks like the Giants have made a play for Reuben Droughns.That bumps B.Jacobs up my list a bit, since he should start over Droughns, I would think.The Giants missed out on D.Rhodes, W.McGahee, T.Jones, and A.Green, and probably won't pony up a first and third for M.Turner. But I seem to be one of the few people who think that Brandon Jacobs could be effective as an every-down back. That is a situation worth watching.
Define "proven feature RB". He had one decent season in Denver and one in Cleveland. The list is long that have accomplished that and his resume isn't nearly strong enough to hold off good competition. Whether Jacobs offers good competition or not is another story.Droughns will be the primary. He's a proven feature RB.
Provide a list of accomplished 1000 rushing yard seasons in Cleveland in the last 20 years.Define "proven feature RB". He had one decent season in Denver and one in Cleveland. The list is long that have accomplished thatDroughns will be the primary. He's a proven feature RB.
Let me expound upon this.Here are the Top 24 RBs in PPR scoring last year, with their rankings and Overall rankings, as well as Fantasy Points:Jeff Pasquino said:Last year MB3 was 19th in PPR leagues, and he wasn't the primary back.I expect that he becomes more of the feature back and JJ is minimized.Last year: 12th was 230.2 points in WCOFF scoring. 19th was 204.1. That's less than a 10 yard catch a game.He's long been rumored to become the #1 ball carrier (and receiver) RB in Dallas this season.RB1 is attainable.EBF said:I'm curious about that ranking too. Barber has some talent, but I don't think he's clearly a better option than Julius Jones. I think it will be tough for either of those guys to have a monster year unless one of them leaves.I am torn on MB3 and would like to hear why Jeff thinks he's a RB1.
# Ovr Player YTD Pts 1 1 Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB 483.3 2 2 Jackson, Steven STL RB 419.4 3 3 Johnson, Larry KCC RB 374.9 4 5 Westbrook, Brian PHI RB 334.6 5 6 Gore, Frank SFO RB 333.0 6 12 Barber, Tiki FA RB 300.7 7 14 Parker, Willie PIT RB 299.7 8 17 Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB (R) 273.7 9 22 Bush, Reggie NOS RB (R) 267.1 10 33 Betts, Ladell WAS RB 243.1 11 37 Johnson, Rudi CIN RB 238.2 12 42 Jones, Kevin DET RB 230.2 13 44 Addai, Joseph IND RB (R) 228.6 14 45 Taylor, Chester MIN RB 228.2 15 46 Green, Ahman GBP RB 226.9 16 55 McAllister, Deuce NOS RB 215.5 17 57 James, Edgerrin ARI RB 211.6 18 60 Jones, Thomas CHI RB 208.4 19 62 Barber, Marion DAL RB 204.1 20 66 Taylor, Fred JAC RB 197.9 21 67 Lewis, Jamal BAL RB 196.7 22 73 Brown, Ronnie MIA RB 191.7 23 75 Henry, Travis TEN RB 190.9 24 76 Dillon, Corey NEP RB 188.9
# Ovr Player YTD Pts Carries Rec Touches FPTs/Touch1 1 Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB 483.3 349 56 405 1.192 2 Jackson, Steven STL RB 419.4 346 90 436 0.963 3 Johnson, Larry KCC RB 374.9 416 41 457 0.824 5 Westbrook, Brian PHI RB 334.6 240 77 317 1.065 6 Gore, Frank SFO RB 333.0 313 61 374 0.896 12 Barber, Tiki FA RB 300.7 327 58 385 0.787 14 Parker, Willie PIT RB 299.7 337 31 368 0.818 17 Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB (R) 273.7 166 46 212 1.299 22 Bush, Reggie NOS RB (R) 267.1 154 89 243 1.1010 33 Betts, Ladell WAS RB 243.1 245 53 298 0.8211 37 Johnson, Rudi CIN RB 238.2 341 23 364 0.6512 42 Jones, Kevin DET RB 230.2 181 61 242 0.9513 44 Addai, Joseph IND RB (R) 228.6 226 40 266 0.8614 45 Taylor, Chester MIN RB 228.2 304 42 346 0.6615 46 Green, Ahman GBP RB 226.9 266 46 312 0.7316 55 McAllister, Deuce NOS RB 215.5 244 30 274 0.7917 57 James, Edgerrin ARI RB 211.6 337 38 375 0.5618 60 Jones, Thomas CHI RB 208.4 297 36 333 0.6319 62 Barber, Marion DAL RB 204.1 136 23 159 1.2820 66 Taylor, Fred JAC RB 197.9 231 23 254 0.7821 67 Lewis, Jamal BAL RB 196.7 314 18 332 0.5922 73 Brown, Ronnie MIA RB 191.7 242 33 275 0.7023 75 Henry, Travis TEN RB 190.9 270 18 288 0.6624 76 Dillon, Corey NEP RB 188.9 199 15 214 0.88
# Ovr Player YTD Pts Carries Rec Touches FPTs/Touch1 1 Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB 483.3 349 56 405 1.194 5 Westbrook, Brian PHI RB 334.6 240 77 317 1.068 17 Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB (R) 273.7 166 46 212 1.299 22 Bush, Reggie NOS RB (R) 267.1 154 89 243 1.1019 62 Barber, Marion DAL RB 204.1 136 23 159 1.28
Well I play in a non-ppr league with 2 Keepers (mine are Chestery & either Edge / Ronnie Brown), rest is redraft. 10 franchises, so 20 keepers, and 12 were RBs, so players with ^ after their name are off the board in my leagueI think playoff teams will have either LT, LJ, and/or 2 of the top 12 fantasy RBs on their team (ie they guess right on their #2RB like an Addai, Cadillac, Thomas Jones)1. LT^2. LJ^3. S Jackson^4. Alexander^ (forget last season)5. Rudi^ -- plays NFC west6. Westbrook (has to be high, but injury concerns**)7. Addai^8. Gore^ - (i forsee a letdown,loses Norv Turner, plays BAL/MIN, @PIT,@CAR,@ATL)9. Ronnie Brown (assuming no Ricky Williams)10. Portis (if you take him, draft Betts in 5th/6th round)11. Willie Parker12. Edge^ (Whisenhunt knows how to get his RBs TDs)13. T Henry14. Jones-Drew^ (feels like he should be higher, good value)15. Bush^16. Chester Taylor^ (if he's still feature back)17. Marion Barber^ [too many TDs to ignore]18. Mcgahee (not many catches)19. T.Jones20. Cadillac (could have top10 value- great upside)21. Deuce22. Maroney23. LenDale White24. Falcons #1 RB25. Benson (attitude & injury problems belie success)other RBs to consider-Packers #1 RB-Ahman Green-jamal lewis-Dominc Rhodes-Julius JonesWhat does the pool think of all the RB movement? Rank top 25 RBs in PPR leagues.
This is exactly what I am hoping my league thinks. What a joke. I would place money on if he isn't hurt that he is a lock top 10 in standard PPR leagues.Yo peeps...Bush finished 9th last year in ppr, you really expect a drop off this year??? Some one actually had him in the 20s???
Yeah, this knocks Jordan's value for sure. May be a RBBC now in Oak.Looks like Lamont Jordan may be splitting carries this year. 7.5 over 2 years isn't really starter $, but that's more than a pure backup would get too.Sort of stunned that Benson is not making the top 25-30 of so many. I realize his value is hurt in PPR, but I still think he should be cracking the top 25.
Also, with the new coaching in OAK, I think Jordan has the potential to have a solid year. That o-line is bad, but the offense can't get much worse than last year. When you bring in Shoop as o-coordinator to IMPROVE your offense, your offense is clearly in shambles. I just think things have to improve on that front in 07.
Why? TJ is $ at the stripe. No way Houston could do betterI could see Houston as the GL and Washington as the change of pace keeping TJ to under 70% of the touches.
Bump. lots of interesting comments back in March, what are the thoughts now?
No changes to my comments, only confirmations.H.K. Mar 9 2007, 07:55 PM Post #74 Jacobs is useless in any scoring system now.
Well since he's useless, I'll send you my 15th round pick for your Jacobs in CHUGs.Bump. lots of interesting comments back in March, what are the thoughts now?No changes to my comments, only confirmations.H.K. Mar 9 2007, 07:55 PM Post #74 Jacobs is useless in any scoring system now.
Well since he's useless, I'll send you my 15th round pick for your Jacobs in CHUGs.Bump. lots of interesting comments back in March, what are the thoughts now?No changes to my comments, only confirmations.H.K. Mar 9 2007, 07:55 PM Post #74 Jacobs is useless in any scoring system now.
Hmm ... called more right so far (Henry, TJ, Benson, etc) than I missed so far (ADP, MJD, Norwood). A few are still TBD (Addai's health) Fun thread to review to see how our predictions came true so far.I have a 12 team PPR 1 UTIL redraft with non FBG members the day of the NFL draft which is likely before most sites publish their 2007 rankings.I am almost positive the Colts will bring in another RB probably a draftee to RBBC with Addai.Norwood seems undervalued especially in a PPR and seems a great breakout candidate.I am torn on MB3 and would like to hear why Jeff thinks he's a RB1.I will likely not try to own Benson, LenDale, and TJones unless the value is great.MJD is absolutely a safe RB2 with upside.Henry should be strong but could be very overvalued especially in a PPR let alone the fact he is one strike away from a full year suspension.I would hesitate to put any of the rookie RB's in the top 25 perhaps around 20 at this early juncture.Going back to my draft in picking 2nd I am leaning SJax and then looking at some combo of the top WR's or Gates in Rounds 2-3 and then picking up RBBC upside types in 4-5 perhaps even a MB3 or Norwould could drop that far. The only caveat to that of course is if the non RB run starts early and a legit RB drops. That would give me something like SJax, CJ, Fitz, MB3, Norwood needing a TE, QB, and depth pending how values change over the next 50 days. I would think I could round out my lineup with something like Crumpler/Shockey, VY/Bulger, and/or a top DT before going for depth and sleepers.Looking at a middling spot according to this a team MIGHT be able to swing Gore and Bush/FWP and at 3-4 load up with say Gates and Walker if not any sliding RB's for their UTIL. I'd hate to be near the end and taking Rudi and Henry in this format although the guy picking 3rd gets LJ if I go SJax. In conclusion I would want to be in the top 3 or right in the middle but not near the back this year so far.