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C'mon, why is Elway on this list?
What did he ever do without Shanahan?
Well-played. 
J. Montana
1) Joe Montana2) Tom Brady (yes, you read that right)
Politely disagree...to a point. If you are ranking QBs with similar careers (like these guys, they were ALL great)...then post season winners will get the nod everytime. Manning, Marino and Favre are probably the 2 best REGULAR season QBs of all-time...but neither comes close to matching Brady, Montana, and Elway's post-season success. Since those 3 all have been great regular season QBs as well, they rank ahead of the other 2. Aikman falls because he was great in the post-season, but was the consistent performer of the others in the regular season. You have to take both things into account.Championships are overrated when talking about the greatest at any one position (see Bart Starr
Pretty good encapsulation,
I think Manning is the most fluid of the guys on this list. If you project him to stay healthy for another five, six years, obviously he's going to be right up there, if not higher than the other stat guys on this list [Marino, Favre], but currently has the stigma of not winning the big one attached to him. RE: Favre, his 2005 aside, the guy is the only 3-time league MVP and statistically up there among the all-time greats in virtually every category.
Aikman doesn't belong on this list. It's probably too early to put Manning and Brady on it as well. Yes, Brady. Like I said, winning championships is the goal, but it takes more than 1 player. I don't think a QBs greatness should be measured by titles alone, or lack thereof.Politely disagree...to a point. If you are ranking QBs with similar careers (like these guys, they were ALL great)...then post season winners will get the nod everytime. Manning, Marino and Favre are probably the 2 best REGULAR season QBs of all-time...but neither comes close to matching Brady, Montana, and Elway's post-season success. Since those 3 all have been great regular season QBs as well, they rank ahead of the other 2. Aikman falls because he was great in the post-season, but was the consistent performer of the others in the regular season. You have to take both things into account.Championships are overrated when talking about the greatest at any one position (see Bart Starr
A QB's greatness certainly isn't measured by titles alone, or lack thereof. Marino [stats but no title] and Bradshaw [titles but ??? stats] are perfect sounding boards for just such a discussion. However, QBs and coaches are and always will be held to a higher standard. They're given more credit than they deserve and more blame, so a team's playoff/SB success is critical to the history of how QBs are remembered. Whether it SHOULD be or not, that's how it is.Aikman doesn't belong on this list. It's probably too early to put Manning and Brady on it as well. Yes, Brady. Like I said, winning championships is the goal, but it takes more than 1 player. I don't think a QBs greatness should be measured by titles alone, or lack thereof.Politely disagree...to a point. If you are ranking QBs with similar careers (like these guys, they were ALL great)...then post season winners will get the nod everytime. Manning, Marino and Favre are probably the 2 best REGULAR season QBs of all-time...but neither comes close to matching Brady, Montana, and Elway's post-season success. Since those 3 all have been great regular season QBs as well, they rank ahead of the other 2. Aikman falls because he was great in the post-season, but was the consistent performer of the others in the regular season. You have to take both things into account.Championships are overrated when talking about the greatest at any one position (see Bart Starr
Agreed. It should also be noted that a QB DOES have more of an effect on the success of a team than any other single position. Therefore, the weight of the won-loss record on a QB is heavier than it is on a WR, RB, OT, punter, etc.A QB's greatness certainly isn't measured by titles alone, or lack thereof. Marino [stats but no title] and Bradshaw [titles but ??? stats] are perfect sounding boards for just such a discussion. However, QBs and coaches are and always will be held to a higher standard. They're given more credit than they deserve and more blame, so a team's playoff/SB success is critical to the history of how QBs are remembered. Whether it SHOULD be or not, that's how it is.Aikman doesn't belong on this list. It's probably too early to put Manning and Brady on it as well. Yes, Brady. Like I said, winning championships is the goal, but it takes more than 1 player. I don't think a QBs greatness should be measured by titles alone, or lack thereof.Politely disagree...to a point. If you are ranking QBs with similar careers (like these guys, they were ALL great)...then post season winners will get the nod everytime. Manning, Marino and Favre are probably the 2 best REGULAR season QBs of all-time...but neither comes close to matching Brady, Montana, and Elway's post-season success. Since those 3 all have been great regular season QBs as well, they rank ahead of the other 2. Aikman falls because he was great in the post-season, but was the consistent performer of the others in the regular season. You have to take both things into account.Championships are overrated when talking about the greatest at any one position (see Bart Starr
What if he plays for 6 years and wins nothing else? Add 18,000, 140 TDs to his career totals so far. Then compile those stats and add on 3 Super Bowls and 2 Super Bowl MVPs (and probably a regular season MVP this year). He could be very average for 6 years and finish with an incredible resume.
In my opinion...he's already accomplished more than the people I ranked below him did. It's very, very close (esepcially with Favre)...but I give Brady the edge.He's got 9 playoff wins. 3 Super Bowls. 2 Super Bowl MVPs. A regular season MVP (when he wins this year). That trumps Favre's 1 Super Bowl, 11 playoff wins and 3 regular season MVPs. It trumps Aikman's 3 Super Bowls. It trumps Mannings 2 regular season MVPs. And it trumps Marino's regular season accomplishments.
It doesn't trump anything if he wakes up one morning with the Steve Blass disease of football. Not likely to happen, and I agree that Brady will be mentioned with the all-time greats when it's all said and done, but I will wait a few more years to include him with Joe Montana, Elway, Marino, and Favre.
It's a completely fair question, but as you know, Brady could string together another five or six years of pedestrian play and his career numbers will be "good enough" that with his 3 titles, 2 SB MVPs, and [by then] half dozen Pro Bowl appearances, he'll still measure up.When you consider that, more likely, he'll continue to put up excellent stats [versus just flatlining to mediocre], it's not hard to envision Brady ranking up among the all-time greats when people discuss the QB position ten years from now.
Not sure how being #8 on a list like this constitutes "lack of love".All the other choices have far superior numbers or somewhat better numbers (at equivalent points in their careers) + championships.
He played much more than 15 years ago.
This thread is not asking people to rank the top QB's ever. It is asking to rank the QB's I selected.
Denver did not have the number 1 defense in the NFL either season they won the Super Bowl. In fact, Denver's 'D' allowed more yards per carry (around 4.6, I think) in '97 than any Super Bowl winner had at the time. What passing records is Plummer beating?
I wasnt referring to Elways cumulative stats - if we went by career stays, Vinny Testeverde would be included in this discussion. Elway only threw for 4000 yards once in his 16 year career and never had more than 27 TD's in ANY season. In fact in his first TEN years, he only threw more than 20 TD's in a season once (22 in 1985). Combined that with the fact that Elway won his only 2 SB's at the end of his career (when Terrell Davis was setting all kinds of records) makes me believe that he is vastly overrated. JMOElways numbers by season
Elway had 28 total TDs the year he only threw for 27, and he had 30 total TDs the year before.Tom Brady has only surpassed 4000 yards once and he's never had more than 29 total TDs in a season.
an MarinoJohn ElwayBrett FavreJoe MontanaTom BradyPeyton ManningSteve YoungTroy Aikman
