Rankings the 32 starting NFL QBs (1 Viewer)

[Dr. Malo]

I would put the tiers as follows:tier one: Carson PalmerBradyManningTwo:BreesPlummerHasselbeckMcNabbBulgerThree:Big BenDelhommeTrent GreenEli ManningThe rest are pretty worthless.To think, my team this year had Brady, Brees and Plummer.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I like jwvdcw's better.  You have Brady behind Carson Palmer which is completely absurd, and your assessment of Roethlisberger could not be more off (although I would rank him closer to 7th than 2nd) 

I wouldn't call it absurd at all, but I would agree that Brady is a better quarterback. How can you not rank Palmer among the league's elite quarterbacks after the season he just had? This guy lost me after claiming that Vick has "NO ARM," as he put it.. Vick has arguably the biggest arm in the league. And his claim that Palmer made that 66-yard pass after having his knee injured is just plain wrong.

I'd like to see him do it for more than just a single season for one, and two - he hasn't proven anything on the big stage yet. Manning is clearly a better passer than Brady, but Brady makes the right plays when it counts and wins big games, while Manning has consistently come up short. I would thus rank Brady ahead of Manning, and likewise would move Palmer further down the list. I'm not trying to blast you though - a lot of your rankings were good, those are just two I disagree with.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

OK, done.  I used per game averages for each player too, in games that player started, to extrapolate stats so as not to punish for injury or differing lengths of careers.  This is the ranking which resulted, with comments :

1. Brady - Super Bowl wins put him well over the top.  Well above career average stats in '05 also helped.

2.  Roethlisberger - I don't think he belongs here, but the 4 playoff wins and huge #s in passer rating, ypa, and low turnover numbers overwhelmed a terrible yards/TDs showing.

3. Manning - Hurt badly by the poor playoff record, but his record-breaking season last year helped push his career stats way up to make him a clse 3rd.

4. Bulger - Jesus, I never realized how good his per game stats are.  Since injuries don't penalize you in these rankings, he gets pushed way up by astronomical per game yardage and TD averages.

5. McNabb - 2nd only to Brady in the playoff wins department helps make up for uneven stats.  Has some great years and some mediocre ones, but low turnovers and good per game yardage this year helped.

6. Culpepper - Had some truly explosive seasons but lack of overall playoff success and God-awful per game numbers from '05 hurt him.

7. Palmer - Great '05 numbers, but career averages are as of yet just good, not great, and no playoff wins hurts.

8. Delhomme - Good playoff wins, and some solid stats, but his #s overall are pedestrian in all categories.  Falls behind the big guns inn yards and TDs, but also doesn't dazzle in the ypa or passer rating categories.

9. Hasselbeck - Recent numbers boost his stock, career per game averages are not great.  Recent playoff success also bolsters him, he'd likely have been 11th or 12th on this list going into this year.  What that illustrates is that he's really stepped it up in '05 and is primed to move higher.

10. Brees - Not spectacular in any category - just solid.

11. Vick - If rushing stats had more to do with it, he'd be higher, but has had little playoff success and his passing numbers per game are by far the lowest of this group, even far below Ben's.

Again, this is just a fun exercise, I don't think this accurately depicts who the best QBs are, but it's something to look at.

Can you tell me what your QB rankings would be if you used your system after the 1985 season? Would you favor Jim McMahon over Dan Marino?

No, because Marino had put up the best season statistically in NFL history and had also made it to the Super Bowl at that point. McMahon's Super Bowl victory alone would not have overwhelmed Marino's huge statistical advantage.

 

[Sheriff66]

No one is ever going to convince me that Ben is a Top 3 QB.

Gee never would have guess. Nice to see such an open mind.

I'll listen, but thats like saying someone can convince you the world is flat.

Just cause someone won't be able to convince me, doesn't mean I am not open minded.

Ok how about this question then: Do you feel that it is possible for you consider Ben a top 3 qb within the next 3 years?

As long as Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Carson Palmer stay in the league, Worthlessburger will sit at least 4th for some time to come.

And the fact that he doesn't throw as much is part of the reason why he isn't a top QB. What #2 ranked QB in the league only throws 22 times a game?  If he is the 2nd best QB in the league, why wouldn't they want the ball in his hands a lot more?  Big Ben threw as many attempts a game than Kyle Orton for pete sake. 

Looking at YPA for Ben is like looking at YPC for a backup RB.  It means nothing to me if they hardly run or throw.  Have Ben play in an offense where the defense is focussed on the passing game and he has to throw 30 times.  His YPA will never be the same as it is now.  Its pretty easy to run all game and then use the play action for a lengthy pass and then credit that YPA to Ben.

Do you watch games or pay attention to what other people say here? Look at Roethlisberger's first half numbers this season. He is far more productive, meaning that they often get the lead because of his passing and then they run the ball almost the entire second half of games at times. Roethlisberger, however, has shown that when called upon to win games with his arm, he is more than capable. And to compare him to Orton just shows how little you know about football.

Some stats to support this case further :

1st half of games : 94-154 1475 yards 11 TD/4 INT passer rating of 105.8

That's in 12 games. Those numbers, projected over a full game, then times 16 games yields :

251-411 3,934 yards 30 TD 11 INT

He also has a 115.3 rating and a 9.4 ypa when the Steelers are behind (98.6 passer rating and 8.9 ypa overall), so enough of this crap about padding his ypa stats by running play action against stacked fronts when the Steelers are leading.

I bet you if you told all 30 GM's that they could pick any QB they want for one year to lead their team (except for Brady and Manning), hardly any would even consider Big Ben.

What do you base this on ? Are you a GM ? Work in the league ? What a stupid statement. You know this for sure, huh ??? Get over yourself....

Did you notice that I said "I bet" and that I didn't say "I'm a mind reader of NFL GM's and I can tell you beyond doubt".

And although I can't mind read, I would speculate that most GM's would take Carson Palmer over Big Ben in a heartbeat.

You need to read the post before you start spouting off.

You sounded pretty sure of yourself, as if you "know" something. Making a statement without any real evidence to back it up is considered "spouting off" in my book...

 

[-OZ-]

Might as well throw my hat in here.

Tier #1

1a. Tom Brady - stud, wins, Wolverine...

1b. Peyton Manning - yes, I'm taking the easy way out. Both are equal IMO.

Tier #2

3. Carson Palmer - he'll be fine

4. Matt Hasselbeck - finally convincing us that he's a winner

5. Ben Roethlisberger - will probably move to #4 soon, but not quite yet.

6. Donovan McNabb - arguably higher, but not today

7. Trent Green - constantly underrated

8. Michael Vick - off year, but still a winner.

9. Jake Plummer - I dislike putting him here, but he looked great for most of the season

Tier #3

10. Marc Bulger - Linehan may actually help him

11. Brett Favre - until he retires

12. Jake Delhomme - gets a lot of help from Smith, but also performed with Moose. Good clutch performer

13. Byron Leftwich - LEADER

14. Drew Brees - benefits from Gates and LT, but looks like a strong leader

15. Daunte Culpepper - I'd like to put him higher, can't right now

16. Eli Manning - potential, thy name is Eli

17. David Carr - only question IMO is whether he's become too nervous

18. Steve McNair - Kind of "Leftwich Sr."

Tier #4

19. Kurt Warner - came back big

20. Mark Brunell - oldie but a goodie, winner

21. Drew Bledsoe - almost the same as Brunell, differing strengths

Tier #5 - potential

22. Chad Pennington - if he ever stays healthy, possible top 10

23. Kyle Boller - came on strong late

24. Chris Simms - might just be good afterall

25. J.P. Losman - I know, he looked terrible at times. A project

26. Charlie Frye - He's a MAC guy, good HC, good weapons when healthy

27. Joey Harrington - holding on due to potential, but looks ugly

28. Rex Grossman - does he beat out Orton in camp?

Tier #6

29. Kerry Collins - what's to say?

30. Gus Frerotte - back up

31. Aaron Brooks - was once "the anti-Brady", but now that Brady produces stats, just a physically talented guy without the leadership or intelligence to consistantly use it

32. Alex Smith - :X

Honorable mentions:

xx. Jon Kitna - moves to tier 4 if he gets a starting job

xx. Billy Volek - see Kitna

 

[Sheriff66]

No one is ever going to convince me that Ben is a Top 3 QB.

Gee never would have guess. Nice to see such an open mind.

I'll listen, but thats like saying someone can convince you the world is flat. Just cause someone won't be able to convince me, doesn't mean I am not open minded.

Ok how about this question then: Do you feel that it is possible for you consider Ben a top 3 qb within the next 3 years?

As long as Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Carson Palmer stay in the league, Worthlessburger will sit at least 4th for some time to come.

Quit drinkin' the haterade son....recognize..... WHO DEY ???? WE DEY !!!!

WE DEY, and don't forget it.......