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Rate the following NCAA QBs for the NFL Draft (1 Viewer)
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santo71
Footballguy
Having watched almost all of Vince Young's college games so far, I can finally say that I think he has real potential as a QB in the NFL. It took a while for me to come around, but I have.The assinine comments about his inaccuracy are just that, assinine. Vince's problems are not with any of his physical skills, they are with his ability to think. He is borderline ######ed. If Vince had the playbook that Major Applewhite had at Texas, he would be a god, but unfortunately, he isn't smart enough to understand it. I liken it to how Vick's "west coast" offense was trimmed down in order to allow him to learn the system. Sure, he's gotten a little better, but Vick's still a lunkhead when it comes to running that involved of an offense. Probably always will be.Now, having said all that, I think he will be fine and will learn things as he goes. He is a rote learner, the more he sees things, the better he is at picking the right answer. It will take no less than 4 years for him to be good, but he will survive on his ability to run and his competitveness will keep whoever drafts him in games. And no, I don't think he's as ######ed as Brooks. Brooks is probably the dumbest starting QB in the league.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Young has been on the UT Athletic Director's academic honor roll since 02. He's a bit of a goodie two shoes. Doesn't go out much, never misses class, turns in his homework on time, goes to church, voulnteers for community service. None of that equates to football smarts, but I like what I'm reading about his character.
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
If I'm reading this right, then we are in agreement again. I am saying Young is not a "WR" prospect. Others have commented that they think he may go the way of Matt Jones. I don't think it's even a remote possibility (and Young himself has said as much, fwiw). I love the guy as a future NFL QB. If asked to wager on who from the current crop of Juniors and Seniors has the best shot to make it big in the NFL, I would choose Young-- from what I have seen to date. I could certainly be wrong, and his NFL situation will have as much to do with it as anything, but he's such a natural in the pocket, and so composed under pressure. Combine that with his athleticism, surprising accuracy this year, and I see someone with great potential, growing by leaps and bounds-- fixing his flaws and displaying great upside.I'm usually a little bit of a contrarian when someone is overhyped (Leinart/Maroney), but mostly I am a doubter because the next level usually requires top shelf physical ability. I think Young has IT, whereas Leinart better really be Brady-like or he may not make it.
Young won't talk about staying in school or declaring for the draft. It depends on how this season shakes out. I think he'd be wise to keep improving in college for a year, but if he wins a national title, beats Leinart in a bowl game... well, NFL here comes the next McNabb for some rowdy group of fans to boo on draft day.
I didn't read your post right the first time, indeed we ARE in agreement re: Young. 
Call me crazy if you want, but my biggest sleeper QB for next year is Darrell Hackney out of UAB. I'm a University of Memphis homer, and I have seen this kid beat us like 4 years in a row now. The guy has good size, great intangibles (heart, leadership, clutchness), solid running ability, and an absolute CANNON. The guy throws one of the tighter spirals I have seen at the collegiate level this year, and his accuracy is well above average.
Last year I heard him talked about more, but this year he seems to be off the radar. He will be a very nice late round project for somebody. I hope it is my Titans.
Last year I heard him talked about more, but this year he seems to be off the radar. He will be a very nice late round project for somebody. I hope it is my Titans.
Croyle without any offensive line won this game for Bama. He's easily the best player in the SEC. He missed a couple of deep balls, but made the clutch pass with the game on the line. I really don't know if anyone else is as good.That's my world through crimson colored glasses. Roll Tide Roll.
Something to keep an eye on.
Croyle to wear knee brace...
http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/huntsvil...2610.xml&coll=1
Croyle to wear knee brace...
http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/huntsvil...2610.xml&coll=1
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Omar got injured on Saturday... Collarbone out 6-8 weeks. Doubt he enters now.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
It's true...
Shlon
Footballguy
That's untrue. The west coast offense was never trimmed down for Vick to learn it. No offensive system was ever trimmed down for Vick, the only thing ever trimmed down for Vick was the verbage used when Dan Reeves was coach (most complicated verbage). Instead of saying like 20 - 30 words for a play, it was cut down to half or so. The stuff about offense being trimmed down in order for him to learn the system you just made up.
-OZ-
Footballguy
FWIW, I am now sold on Vince Young's future as a QB in the NFL. He's learning a lot over the last few games, is not only a playmaker but actually seems to understand how an offense operates, and the defensive schemes against him. I'm not ready to say he's the best QB in college right now, but IMO he's closer to Culpepper than to Matt Jones.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I'm also starting to pay closer attention to Brady Quinn. Obviously his raw stats are impressive, but when you consider the respect Charlie Weis has in the NFL AND the fact that Quinn is putting up numbers running Weis' system, I think NFL GMs will be chomping at the bit to get this kid.Regardless of what the rating services say currently, I now think barring injury Quinn figures into the top 15-20 picks at a minimum when he comes out.
At VA Tech, Vick had I think 12 plays. Beamer kicked him in the butt and said go win us football games. Vick didn't even bark out a snap count for like the first half of his freshman year. To say that no offense was ever trimmed down for Vick is just silly. He has gotten a lot better with the mental part of the game since his college days, however.
sdsjr3
Footballguy
I'm with ya Hendo. I've seen enough of Leinert to know know he'll be OK in the pros, but I don't think he's got "it". Just a feeling I have about him.Quinn, Can't think of enough adjectives to describe how good I think this kid will be. Prototype comes to mind. He's a stud and will learn enough from Weiss to go in with the right mindset.
Stanton, he's gifted, but raw.
One other name I'll throw out there that I've not heard much about, but I've gotten to see him many, many times in his career is Brett Basenez (sp?). This guy will be a steal by some NFL team. He's got the tools, head, leadership qualities, and determination to win. As has been stated before, situation means a lot in the NFL but I think given the right one, this kid from Northwestern will make it.
Urinal Mint
Footballguy
Reggie McNeal (Texas A&M) has a legitimate shot at being a quality NFL QB. He has all the tools necessary to excel at the position, but needs some coaching to "tame" him a bit in the passing game.
Strengths:
- Amazing feet. Runs like Vince Young and Michael Vick in the open field. Very elusive.
- Arm strength. He can throw the ball a country mile and zip it into very tight spots.
Weaknesses:
- Pass accuracy. On short/medium passing routes, he will frequently throw high. I feel he needs to be settled a little more and this will go away. It's like he is too jazzed up about getting the ball there quickly.
- Mental fortitude. He seems to become frustrated easily and get down on himself. I think this can be handled with a little coaching and some success in adverse conditions.
That said, he plays behind a very sub-par offensive line at Texas A&M that doesn't afford him the time that other successful college QBs have had. He also looks to pass first unlike Mike Vick so that is a plus for any coach looking at his feet as an asset and not a possible liability.
Strengths:
- Amazing feet. Runs like Vince Young and Michael Vick in the open field. Very elusive.
- Arm strength. He can throw the ball a country mile and zip it into very tight spots.
Weaknesses:
- Pass accuracy. On short/medium passing routes, he will frequently throw high. I feel he needs to be settled a little more and this will go away. It's like he is too jazzed up about getting the ball there quickly.
- Mental fortitude. He seems to become frustrated easily and get down on himself. I think this can be handled with a little coaching and some success in adverse conditions.
That said, he plays behind a very sub-par offensive line at Texas A&M that doesn't afford him the time that other successful college QBs have had. He also looks to pass first unlike Mike Vick so that is a plus for any coach looking at his feet as an asset and not a possible liability.
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
This is what I've been saying for some time azgroover...Leinart is in the unenviable position of "playing with a lead." When you're so clearly considered the top NFL draft prospect going into the next season, there's nowhere to go but down. I'm not saying Leinart won't be the top pick, but every scout, GM and player/personnel executive has been spending this season figuring out reasons why he SHOULDN'T be the top pick...and those are tough odds to overcome.
pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
Sorry Mr. Urinal, but I couldn't disagree more. I'm a season ticket holder to A&M games, and feel pretty confident in saying Reggie will never play a snap as a QB in the NFL. He is no where near intelligent enough to play at the next level. He shows signs of greatness because he's a phenomenal athlete, but he doesn't have the cognitive skills to read defenses at this level, let alone the NFL.Reggie is barely completing 50% of his passes, and has a good receiving corps. He's done all of this against (at best) only a mediocre schedule. Texas flippin' State made him look bad! He consistently locks into one WR, misses wide open receivers by a long margin and has too happy of feet in the pocket. He has trouble reading the options in the option, let alone different coverages. If you want to know where Reggie is going to throw, just watch the strong side safety. More times than not Reggie will throw to that receiver. He's just not a bright kid, nor does he have the mental capacity to ever learn how to be. He has gotten worse with his decision-making as the year has progressed. As many problems as Ferguson had learning the playbook in Green Bay, Reggie will have more. And he will be learning the WR version of the playbook, not the QB version
.My .02 (and semi-personal rant),
~Liquor
Urinal Mint
Footballguy
I'm a longtime 2%-er and I feel that Reggie's shortcomings the past 2 seasons are more a sign of a very weak offensive line and too many plays run out of shotgun.
I think you would see markedly better McNeal performances if he were playing behind the monsters at UTexas. I mean, look what UT does using Vince Young and it's very, very limited playbook. McNeal can do all that and more, I feel.
And I sympathize with you being a season ticket holder. I'm very glad I didn't bite the bullet this year and pay the extortionist "donation" fee just for the right to buy tickets. It's ridiculous when you realize our season tix cost more than UTexas, Penn State, Ohio State, and other perennially top-ranked programs.
I don't mind disagreeing on McNeal's abilities. I do think he needs the benefit of more coaching and better talent surrounding him, though, before I can make a final judgment on him as a QB.
I think you would see markedly better McNeal performances if he were playing behind the monsters at UTexas. I mean, look what UT does using Vince Young and it's very, very limited playbook. McNeal can do all that and more, I feel.
And I sympathize with you being a season ticket holder. I'm very glad I didn't bite the bullet this year and pay the extortionist "donation" fee just for the right to buy tickets. It's ridiculous when you realize our season tix cost more than UTexas, Penn State, Ohio State, and other perennially top-ranked programs.
I don't mind disagreeing on McNeal's abilities. I do think he needs the benefit of more coaching and better talent surrounding him, though, before I can make a final judgment on him as a QB.
Sorry Mr. Urinal, but I couldn't disagree more. I'm a season ticket holder to A&M games, and feel pretty confident in saying Reggie will never play a snap as a QB in the NFL. He is no where near intelligent enough to play at the next level. He shows signs of greatness because he's a phenomenal athlete, but he doesn't have the cognitive skills to read defenses at this level, let alone the NFL.
Reggie is barely completing 50% of his passes, and has a good receiving corps. He's done all of this against (at best) only a mediocre schedule. Texas flippin' State made him look bad! He consistently locks into one WR, misses wide open receivers by a long margin and has too happy of feet in the pocket. He has trouble reading the options in the option, let alone different coverages. If you want to know where Reggie is going to throw, just watch the strong side safety. More times than not Reggie will throw to that receiver. He's just not a bright kid, nor does he have the mental capacity to ever learn how to be. He has gotten worse with his decision-making as the year has progressed. As many problems as Ferguson had learning the playbook in Green Bay, Reggie will have more. And he will be learning the WR version of the playbook, not the QB version
My .02 (and semi-personal rant),
~Liquor
B. Nugget
Footballguy
I'm not sure why you chose this post to take a shot at Brad Smith, I posted early in this thread that he would convert to WR and make a hell of a kick returner.FWIW, I think Reggie McNeal falls in the same category; strong arm, lacks accuracy, great open field runner.
B. Nugget
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Well I'm one who knocks Leinart "almost" as hard as any. If you think he's a guaranteed bust, well, I cannot go that far. If you see a real possibility of him busting, so do I. My guess is that he will never be a great QB, but he could land in a great situation. If he lands in a bad one, it will be ugly for him. It hasn't "become" chic for me to knock Leinart though. I have been saying the same things since his Sophomore year. And I never knocked either Manning or Palmer, but I did knock Leaf and Rivers. My very high opinion of Palmer was well-documented at another site when it was chic to knock him. But, I've abandoned that site for the more palatable discussion here.
Palmer was obviously very gifted physically. He is alot faster on his feet than he gets credit for. He has a big big arm. He is very strong physically. None of this can be said for Leinart. It's also notable that Chow preferred Cassell to Leinart, and many observers believed Booty outplayed both of them before Leinart was dubbed the heir to Palmer. Whoever emerged from that competition was destined to do what Leinart has done because of the surrounding talent, great coaching, etc. So Leinart is the golden boy, but I assure you all, this guy is no Carson Palmer, and much closer to Joey Harrington (in all aspects physical and mental). I'd much rather build a team around Kyle Orton or Aaron Rodgers. Leinart gets several years leeway from me... to prove me wrong... so we wait and see.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
Cutler absolutely carries an awful Vandy team.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
I think it's funny too. I mean not only does the guy put up huge numbers, he wins.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
What's funny to me is that people say "he wins." He has dug his team into three very deep holes this season and his team has climbed out despite Leinart's shoddy play. Does Bush win? Does White win? How about Jarrett, does he win? I never hear anyone saying that-- but two wins are White, Bush and the 0line, another is Bush and Jarrett. I cannot credit Leinart with "winning" any games this season. He's surrounded by studs who have bailed him out... against ND, against ASU, and against Oregon. Put Kyle Orton at USC and you get bigger numbers and more impressive wins.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
Orton plays QB for the Bears. Why not put Favre or Manning on USC and see if he puts up bigger numbers and more impressive wins. Ifs, wouldas, couldas, are all neat and dandy, all I know is Leinart has won like every game he ever played usually by alot, sometimes had to rally his team. I'm not saying draft him #1, but alot of people are really looking for anything against him to knock him down and I find almost comical.P.S. I am an SEC alum and avid follower of SEC football.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I used Orton as an example because he is a raw rookie who IS starting for the Bears, yet he came into the league with very little expectations. To use Favre or Manning would be stupid, and you putting Orton on a list with them is odd. Leinart is coming into the league with HUGE expectations, which I don't think is fair to him, btw. Orton at USC, LAST YEAR, would have bigger numbers and equal hype to Leinart. My point is I think Orton is a better pro prospect, and I thought so last year when he was at Purdue. He should have gone sooner than the 4th round, and Chicago made a nice pick there.
I'm not sure what your SEC association has to do with it, but I am an avid PAC 10 follower and alum. I have seen all but a couple Palmer and Leinart starts at SC. These two are night and day. If Leinart was being discussed as a 4th rounder, like Orton was, then I would have nothing to say about his grade. Grading him as a franchise QB is going to cost some team buying into the hype a ton of money for a product that is very easy to find cheaper... and better.
Again you mention Leinart winning every game he has ever played. Bush, White, the 0-line, Jarrett, have all bailed him out this season or there would be a loss or two on Leinart's head because the Trojans were trailing while relying on Matt who wasn't getting it done. I cannot think of a more talented WR duo in college than Smith and Jarrett, and while there's been some great college backfields, Bush and White are right there with most of them. Of course the QB is going to have huge numbers. Would Brodie Croyle be doing as well as Leinart if he was at SC? Sure, maybe better. He has a much much better arm, and arm strength has cost Leinart several TDs this year.
Did you see Orton's 40 yard zing to Muhammad this weekend? Leinart cannot throw that pass.
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
SeniorsMatt Leinart - Will be a pretty good NFL QB but not a top starBrodie Croyle - Should hang around as a #2 and be servicable if needed to playKellen Clemens - Jay Cutler - I like him a lot.Bruce GradkowskiReggie McNeal - Work in progress like Seneca WallaceD.J. Shockley - See McNealBrad Smith - Not as a QB. Maybe at a different positionCharlie Whitehurst - Needs a coach and some patience. Has the toolsMarques Hagans - Another Antwan Randel-El; Great hands and playmakerJuniorsReggie Ball- I'm at GT fan and he has no shot at playing QB in the NFLOmar Jacobs - STAR!!!!!Chris Leak - Should be a pretty good QBTyler Palko - Similar to Croyle, IMOJordan Palmer - Troy Smith - JunkMarcus Vick - Good athlete. Better passer than Big Bro. Will end up in Jail.Jared Zabransky - JunkSam KellerVince Young- Will be goodTrent Edwards - JunkBrady Quinn - See Croyle and PalkoDrew Tate - Drew Stanton
CharlesRoyKevin
Footballguy
I'm a little biased, but I really think Stanton has all the tools. He has cooled a little bit lately this year, but he most likely has a whole other year to keep improving. He is mobile, accurate, smart, tough, a leader. The only question I'm not sure of is arm strength, but from what I have seen this year he has plenty. I'd love to see Mooch get him in here to Detroit.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
Lucky for us we will be able to see for ourselves next fall.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
In fairness to any young QB, Leinart has three years to prove me wrong. If he goes through something like Carr has in Houston, he can have a couple more years. His situation will be as important as what he brings to the table.I'm not wishing for him to fail, just sharing my opinion. I'm old and being wrong doesn't bother me anymore. Go Matt!!
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
GT would probably be 1-6 without Reggie Ball. He still ain't an NFL QB. Whats your point?
EBF
Footballguy
My point is that he's having a pretty strong year and I suspect that you probably haven't even seen him play this season. He's a good player and, unlike Ball, is more than just an athlete playing QB. He's a good passer who's done a fine job running his team's offense despite having a very suspect supporting cast. Edwards was a five star recruit out of high school and is really starting come into his own. I don't think he's a lock to succeed in the NFL, but I think anyone who's dismissing him as "junk" might want to take a closer look.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
Anyone catch that Vandy Florida game last night?Jay Cutler is good, if he had Floridas talent I wonder what the score would have been.
