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[Sabertooth]

It appears that the top two backs in this draft are comparable to the tops from last year. I'd like to see people's opinions of where to slot DeAngelo and Bush into last year's group.

I do this for a couple of reasons, I am in a keeper league (keep 2) where we keep two and I don't have many options so I am thinking of snagging one of these two this season for the future.

Plus I am curious. I'd like to see them rated on a 100 point scale like this:

100 - Reggie Bush

80 - Cadillac

75 - Cedric

73 - Ronnie

73 - DeAngelo

Pretty much just made those up off of what I've read. Feel free to add players to the list. This post is me basically being lazy but trying to get a feel for the overall talent of Bush and DeAngelo because I don't follow the college game much.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Bush - 96

Caddy - 92

Brown - 90

Williams - 87

Benson - 86

 

[Sabertooth]

6 Members: Sabertooth, wannabee, Blackjacks, Sigmund Bloom, Drinkin Buddy, Avery

 

[fruity pebbles]

Bush - 96

Caddy - 92

Brown - 90

Williams - 87

Benson - 86

That's exactly how I see them except swap Brown with Caddy.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

98 Bush

91 Brown

87 Caddy

81 Williams

79 Benson

 

[Chaos]

It appears that the top two backs in this draft are comparable to the tops from last year. I'd like to see people's opinions of where to slot DeAngelo and Bush into last year's group.

I do this for a couple of reasons, I am in a keeper league (keep 2) where we keep two and I don't have many options so I am thinking of snagging one of these two this season for the future.

Plus I am curious. I'd like to see them rated on a 100 point scale like this:

100 - Reggie Bush

80 - Cadillac

75 - Cedric

73 - Ronnie

73 - DeAngelo

Pretty much just made those up off of what I've read. Feel free to add players to the list. This post is me basically being lazy but trying to get a feel for the overall talent of Bush and DeAngelo because I don't follow the college game much.

Sorry but any scale showing a 25% dropoff in ability between Bush and DeAngello is flawed. If you want to believe the hype and put Bush as a 100 despite the obvious concerns of size, durability (never carried the mail at USC) and the fact that he was surrounded by NFL caliber talent in the putrid PAC 10, that is ok with me.

Bush 100 Per the poster

Benson 95 he offers what Bush doesn't plus some of what he does

D Williams 92, size is a concern but he is thick like Priest Holmes and played on weak teams

Caddy 89, durability still worries me as he seems to get nicked up

R Brown 85, could be all world but something bothers me and causes me to drop him down a bit

 

[dgreen]

98 Bush

91 Brown

87 Caddy

81 Williams

79 Benson

I agree, but I'd probably put Williams a little closer to Caddy. Maybe like 84.

 

[Sabertooth]

It appears that the top two backs in this draft are comparable to the tops from last year.  I'd like to see people's opinions of where to slot DeAngelo and Bush into last year's group.

I do this for a couple of reasons, I am in a keeper league (keep 2) where we keep two and I don't have many options so I am thinking of snagging one of these two this season for the future.

Plus I am curious.  I'd like to see them rated on a 100 point scale like this:

100 - Reggie Bush

80 - Cadillac

75 - Cedric

73 - Ronnie

73 - DeAngelo

Pretty much just made those up off of what I've read.  Feel free to add players to the list.  This post is me basically being lazy but trying to get a feel for the overall talent of Bush and DeAngelo because I don't follow the college game much.

Sorry but any scale showing a 25% dropoff in ability between Bush and DeAngello is flawed. If you want to believe the hype and put Bush as a 100 despite the obvious concerns of size, durability (never carried the mail at USC) and the fact that he was surrounded by NFL caliber talent in the putrid PAC 10, that is ok with me.

Bush 100 Per the poster

Benson 95 he offers what Bush doesn't plus some of what he does

D Williams 92, size is a concern but he is thick like Priest Holmes and played on weak teams

Caddy 89, durability still worries me as he seems to get nicked up

R Brown 85, could be all world but something bothers me and causes me to drop him down a bit

That's why I put this in. Who would be a 100 prospect?

 

[Reaper]

Here's the Pro Football Weekly Pre-Draft Grades..

Reggie Bush 8.5

Cedric Benson 6.75

Ronnie Brown 6.7

Caddilac 6.65

Deangelo Williams 6.3

Maroney 6.2

White 6.2

Also -

Steven Jackson 6.65

Kevin Jones 6.5

 

[Sabertooth]

Here's the Pro Football Weekly Pre-Draft Grades..

Reggie Bush 8.5

Cedric Benson 6.75

Ronnie Brown 6.7

Caddilac 6.65

Deangelo Williams 6.3

Maroney 6.2

White 6.2

So it has DeAngelo at about 75% of Bush huh? Hmmmmm....

 

[Warhogs]

Who else has been near that 8.5 in the last 10 years?

Here's the Pro Football Weekly Pre-Draft Grades..

Reggie Bush 8.5

Cedric Benson 6.75

Ronnie Brown 6.7

Caddilac 6.65

Deangelo Williams 6.3

Maroney 6.2

White 6.2

Also -

Steven Jackson 6.65

Kevin Jones 6.5

 

[TME]

R Brown 85, could be all world but something bothers me and causes me to drop him down a bit

Sorry, but do not agree. Not very well supported either. This seems way out of wack to me. Brown at the bottom of the list? He is a great talent. I would sum it up like this:Bush - 98 - Incredibly fast (4.3) and explosive (will be the fastest back in the league). Great vision. Elusive, makes his moves at full speed. Versitle, can run and catch. But, could be bigger (which hopefully comes with maturity - only a Jr. in college), but does have top notch strength.

Brown - 95 - Great size/speed ratio (4.4), very fast and big. Size that can be a workhorse back, but with homerun speed. Complete back, runs, catches and blocks all very well. Lacks the superior vision and elusiveness to take it to the house in any situation, but will still get his share of big plays.

C. Williams - 93 - Good size and great speed (4.4). Great runner in all phacets, inside, outside, whatever. Great vision and elusiveness. Not as versitle as Bush or as well rounded as Brown. Injury history.

Benson - 93 - Good size and speed (4.5). Great runner in all phacets. Probably closer to being a more complete back than Caddy, but grades out very similar to Caddy.

D. Williams - 88 - Good size/build (only 207, but a more compact frame, but the height is "smallish") and great speed (4.4). Probably the best "dancing moves" of the group - stop and start change of direction, etc. Injury history. People like to mention that Bush was surrounded by NFL talent, maybe Deangelo was an NFL talent beating up on less than as equally talented competition?

All good backs, some more versitle, explosive and/or complete than others, which is where the lines are drawn from a talent perspective.

 

[aposulli]

I think you are going to get alot of posts of people's numbers based on fantasy potential, or worse, numbers based on well... numbers.

What I mean is, obviously the better backs are not the ones who run the fastest, or are in the best situations.

I know the original post says "rank based on talent"... but that may or may not include durability, vision, field awareness, and EXPERIENCE.

I find when evaluating talent, the guys at Souts Inc. (ESPN) do a great job, and I think this is actually how players in Madden are rated.

I know, i know, that last comment makes me sound like a fish. I do not agree with all "Madden" ratings as I think the game mostly factors in last year's on-field statistics when coming up with the ratings as a whole.

With that said, I DO THINK they factor in just about everything an NFL player's "talent level" should be based on

And with THAT said...

I believe you were asking which player would be best to pick up in a dynasty league(?).... so it's hard to throw out arbitrary numbers without knowing exactly what kind of evaluation you're looking for.

Sorry that took alot to explain, but I think it had to be said.

For pure fantasy purposes (based on a dynasty league which factors in team situations), and assuming Bush goes to the Texans and D.Williams goes to either Denver or Indy

1. Brown 96

2. C.Williams 95

3. Bush 94

4. D.Williams 92

5. Benson 88

I think a league with PPR would bump up Bush to surefire #1

Why I used numbers:

100-90 = 1st round pick (in a 20 team league)

80-89 = 2nd round pick

70-79 = 3rd round pick

Stats Inc "talent"

1. Bush 100 (based on the poster's rating)

2. Brown 97

3. C.Williams 95

4. Benson 89

5. D.Wiliams 88

 

[aposulli]

I think you are going to get alot of posts of people's numbers based on fantasy potential, or worse, numbers based on well... numbers.

What I mean is, obviously the better backs are not the ones who run the fastest, or are in the best situations.

I know the original post says "rank based on talent"... but that may or may not include durability, vision, field awareness, and EXPERIENCE.

I find when evaluating talent, the guys at Souts Inc. (ESPN) do a great job, and I think this is actually how players in Madden are rated.

I know, i know, that last comment makes me sound like a fish. I do not agree with all "Madden" ratings as I think the game mostly factors in last year's on-field statistics when coming up with the ratings as a whole.

With that said, I DO THINK they factor in just about everything an NFL player's "talent level" should be based on

And with THAT said...

I believe you were asking which player would be best to pick up in a dynasty league(?).... so it's hard to throw out arbitrary numbers without knowing exactly what kind of evaluation you're looking for.

Sorry that took alot to explain, but I think it had to be said.

For pure fantasy purposes (based on a dynasty league which factors in team situations), and assuming Bush goes to the Texans and D.Williams goes to either Denver or Indy

1. Brown 96

2. C.Williams 95

3. Bush 94

4. D.Williams 92

5. Benson 88

I think a league with PPR would bump up Bush to surefire #1

Why I used numbers:

100-90 = 1st round pick (in a 20 team league)

80-89 = 2nd round pick

70-79 = 3rd round pick

Stats Inc "talent"

1. Bush 100 (based on the poster's rating)

2. Brown 97

3. C.Williams 95

4. Benson 89

5. D.Wiliams 88

Since I based my raings on Scouts Inc. I thought I'd correct myself... here are the top 20 RBs exactly two year's ago as rated by Scouts Inc...1 LaDainian Tomlinson RB SD 96

2 Jamal Lewis RB BAL 93

3 Shaun Alexander RB SEA 91

4 Clinton Portis RB WAS 90

5 Priest Holmes RB KC 89

Curtis Martin RB NYJ 89

7 Ahman Green RB GNB 87

8 Edgerrin James RB ARI 85

9 Deuce McAllister RB NO 84

10 Corey Dillon RB NE 81

11 Brian Westbrook RB PHI 79

12 Willis McGahee RB BUF 78

13 Fred Taylor RB JAC 77

14 Julius Jones RB DAL 76

15 Marshall Faulk RB STL 75

Fred Beasley RB MIA 75

Tiki Barber RB NYG 75

18 Kevin Jones RB DET 74

Domanick Davis RB HOU 74

20 Rudi Johnson RB CIN 73

Based on this I'll give Bush an 88, although some will mock me for giving Bush the same rating as HOF Curtis Martin.

Bush 88

Brown 82

C.Williams 79

Benson 72

D.Williams 72 (comparable to KJ and JJ who were going into their Rookie year)

 

[SaintLouisCardinals]

Sorry but any scale showing a 25% dropoff in ability between Bush and DeAngello is flawed.

If you want to believe the hype and put Bush as a 100 despite the obvious concerns of size, durability (never carried the mail at USC) and the fact that he was surrounded by NFL caliber talent in the putrid PAC 10, that is ok with me.

Bush 100 Per the poster

Benson 95 he offers what Bush doesn't plus some of what he does

D Williams 92, size is a concern but he is thick like Priest Holmes and played on weak teams

Caddy 89, durability still worries me as he seems to get nicked up

R Brown 85, could be all world but something bothers me and causes me to drop him down a bit

Sorry, but any scale where "something" causes you to drop a guy down is flawed ...

 

[jurb26]

Reggie Bush, 97

Cadillac, 90

Ronnie, 90

DeAngelo, 89

Cedric, 87

 

[SoFresh&SoClean]

Reggie Bush, 97

Cadillac, 90

Ronnie, 90

DeAngelo, 89

Cedric, 87

I like this list, maybe put Ronnie at 91 since I think he's more complete, but overall this is about what I think.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Here's the Pro Football Weekly Pre-Draft Grades..

Reggie Bush 8.5

Cedric Benson 6.75

Ronnie Brown 6.7

Caddilac 6.65

Deangelo Williams 6.3

Maroney 6.2

White 6.2

Also -

Steven Jackson 6.65

Kevin Jones 6.5

And people wonder why many are so high on Bush, he's grading OFF the charts. The seperation between what he's grading and what the top RB's of the past few classes have graded is huge.I understand some people like to be contrarians for the sake of it, but ignoring what all the reputable scouting services and football analysts are saying about Bush probably isn't the brightest move.

He's good, REAL good, the most surefire stud RB to come out in a long time. He has virtually no risk factors coming into the league and is a sick talent, only thing that could stop him is injury (and so far he hasn't had any major injuries). Bush is as close to a sure thing as there can be.

 

[The Shizzle]

This can't seriously be your team?????

Burning Sensation Yesterday, 11:25 AM Post #2 FootballguyGroup: MembersJoined: 14-April 03Member No.: 165 Bush - 96Caddy - 92Brown - 90Williams - 87Benson - 86 --------------------1 Team Dynasty league - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 K, 1 Def.QB- Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Tom Brady, Eli ManningRB- Larry Johnson, Ladanian Tomlinson, Shaun Alexander, Stephen Jackson, Caddy Williams, Ronnie BrownWR- Steve Smith, Larry Fitzgerald, Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Anquan BoldinTE- Antonio Gates, Jeremy Shockey, Jason WittenK- Neil Rackers, Mike VanderjagtD- Chicago Bears, Pittsburgh Steelers2006 rookie picks- 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.7, 1.11

 

[fruity pebbles]

Here's the Pro Football Weekly Pre-Draft Grades..

Reggie Bush   8.5

Cedric Benson 6.75

Ronnie Brown 6.7

Caddilac  6.65

Deangelo Williams 6.3

Maroney 6.2

White 6.2

Also -

Steven Jackson  6.65

Kevin Jones 6.5

And people wonder why many are so high on Bush, he's grading OFF the charts. The seperation between what he's grading and what the top RB's of the past few classes have graded is huge.I understand some people like to be contrarians for the sake of it, but ignoring what all the reputable scouting services and football analysts are saying about Bush probably isn't the brightest move.

He's good, REAL good, the most surefire stud RB to come out in a long time. He has virtually no risk factors coming into the league and is a sick talent, only thing that could stop him is injury (and so far he hasn't had any major injuries). Bush is as close to a sure thing as there can be.

No kidding huh? I mean the grading can be wrong but they've got him head and shoulders above some pretty talented backs. Ronnie, Caddy and Jackson are all top 10 dynasty picks in their own right.

 

[Chaos]

Sorry but any scale showing a 25% dropoff in ability between Bush and DeAngello is flawed.

If you want to believe the hype and put Bush as a 100 despite the obvious concerns of size, durability (never carried the mail at USC) and the fact that he was surrounded by NFL caliber talent in the putrid PAC 10, that is ok with me.

Bush 100 Per the poster

Benson 95 he offers what Bush doesn't plus some of what he does

D Williams 92, size is a concern but he is thick like Priest Holmes and played on weak teams

Caddy  89, durability still worries me as he seems to get nicked up

R Brown 85, could be all world but something bothers me and causes me to drop him down a bit

Sorry, but any scale where "something" causes you to drop a guy down is flawed ...

nice **** response, about what I'd expect from a Cards fanThe "something" is my own reaction to having witnessed first hand his performances. Sometimes you can't put your finger on specifically what it is because it is a complex interaction of many things.

I know you think you were being cute and using my own words against me but there is a big difference between dropping someone down based largely on the hype machine going full bore vs extensive personal observation.

 

[-OZ-]

95 - Reggie Bush (sorry, noone gets 100 until Jesus comes back and plays RB for Kansas)

88 - Cadillac

88 - DeAngelo

84 - Ronnie

82 - Cedric

 

[TLEF316]

This can't seriously be your team?????

Burning Sensation Yesterday, 11:25 AM Post #2

Footballguy

Group: Members

Joined: 14-April 03

Member No.: 165

Bush - 96

Caddy - 92

Brown - 90

Williams - 87

Benson - 86

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1 Team Dynasty league - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 K, 1 Def.

QB- Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Tom Brady, Eli Manning

RB- Larry Johnson, Ladanian Tomlinson, Shaun Alexander, Stephen Jackson, Caddy Williams, Ronnie Brown

WR- Steve Smith, Larry Fitzgerald, Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Anquan Boldin

TE- Antonio Gates, Jeremy Shockey, Jason Witten

K- Neil Rackers, Mike Vanderjagt

D- Chicago Bears, Pittsburgh Steelers

2006 rookie picks- 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.7, 1.11

read closely 1 team dynasty league

 

[Phlash]

Brown - 95 - Great size/speed ratio (4.4), very fast and big. Size that can be a workhorse back, but with homerun speed. Complete back, runs, catches and blocks all very well. Lacks the superior vision and elusiveness to take it to the house in any situation, but will still get his share of big plays.

Not to nitpick, but Ronnie Brown ran a 4.3 if IIRCHeres my rankings

Ronnie Brown - 89 overall - He won't reach 90+ until he makes an impact this year. Still, he has enormous potential.

Bush - 87 overall - He will make an immediate impact on whatever team picks him. He'll probably be 90+ imho after the season is over.

Cadillac Williams - 86 overall - Great rookie season, but plagued by injuries early on. He's talented but just needs to fix his workout regimine to maximize his playing time.

Cedric Benson - 86 overall - Yeah, I rate him the same as Caddy. People seem to forget how awesome he looked in his limited PT, and was only held back because he was 2nd string to Thomas Jones. Look out next year, I think he could be huge.

Deangelo Williams - 84 overall - If he lands in the right situation, expect his number to increase, maybe to 90+ after all is said and done. If he lands in New England or another RB starved team, he could put up a good 1k yards and maybe 10 or so TDs, which would be a great start to his NFL career.

 

[jurb26]

Brown - 95 - Great size/speed ratio (4.4), very fast and big. Size that can be a workhorse back, but with homerun speed. Complete back, runs, catches and blocks all very well. Lacks the superior vision and elusiveness to take it to the house in any situation, but will still get his share of big plays.

Not to nitpick, but Ronnie Brown ran a 4.3 if IIRCHeres my rankings

Ronnie Brown - 89 overall - He won't reach 90+ until he makes an impact this year. Still, he has enormous potential.

Bush - 87 overall - He will make an immediate impact on whatever team picks him. He'll probably be 90+ imho after the season is over.

Cadillac Williams - 86 overall - Great rookie season, but plagued by injuries early on. He's talented but just needs to fix his workout regimine to maximize his playing time.

Cedric Benson - 86 overall - Yeah, I rate him the same as Caddy. People seem to forget how awesome he looked in his limited PT, and was only held back because he was 2nd string to Thomas Jones. Look out next year, I think he could be huge.

Deangelo Williams - 84 overall - If he lands in the right situation, expect his number to increase, maybe to 90+ after all is said and done. If he lands in New England or another RB starved team, he could put up a good 1k yards and maybe 10 or so TDs, which would be a great start to his NFL career.

Not to nitpick you now, but you can't wait till after the season to gage teir talent for the purposes of this thread.

 

[Bloom]

Bush 99 - ill stop short of 100. Honestly I see no weakness. So he's not going to be a 350 carry a year bruiser, he'll more than make up for it with his big play ability and top notch receiving skills

Caddy 89 - He's not a prolific receiving back and has some durability issues, but he's one of the best backs at finishing off a defense and he runs like a larger back.

Brown 86 - He's a terrific receiving back and we've already seen his straight line speed in action (which is phenomenal for a back his size). He's also a tremendous blocker. He does lack "wiggle" and elusiveness.

Williams 86 - He's got speed and elusiveness and a nice low center of gravity. Williams has good hands despite being underused in the passing game. He does has some durability issues and I feel he has relied a little too much on bouncing runs to the outside.

Benson 83 - He's an ideal chain moving back with decent speed and a decisive running style. He's not much in the receiving game, and his motivation has been questioned. His number would have been higher at this time last year.

 

[LHUCKS]

Bush 99 - ill stop short of 100. Honestly I see no weakness. So he's not going to be a 350 carry a year bruiser, he'll more than make up for it with his big play ability and top notch receiving skills

Caddy 89 - He's not a prolific receiving back and has some durability issues, but he's one of the best backs at finishing off a defense and he runs like a larger back.

Brown 86 - He's a terrific receiving back and we've already seen his straight line speed in action (which is phenomenal for a back his size). He's also a tremendous blocker. He does lack "wiggle" and elusiveness.

Williams 86 - He's got speed and elusiveness and a nice low center of gravity. Williams has good hands despite being underused in the passing game. He does has some durability issues and I feel he has relied a little too much on bouncing runs to the outside.

Benson 83 - He's an ideal chain moving back with decent speed and a decisive running style. He's not much in the receiving game, and his motivation has been questioned. His number would have been higher at this time last year.

My exact order...

 

[Assani Fisher]

Bush 104

God 100

Brown 91

Caddy 88

Benson 88

Williams 84

 

[fruity pebbles]

Bush 104

God 100

Brown 91

Caddy 88

Benson 88

Williams 84

 

[Peyton Marino]

Ronnie - 91

Cadillac - 85

Bush - 82

Cedric - 82

DeAngelo - 80

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Bush 104

God 100

Brown 91

Caddy 88

Benson 88

Williams 84

Time for a "who's better, Chuck Norris or Reggie Bush?" poll.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Bush 104

God 100

Brown 91

Caddy 88

Benson 88

Williams 84

It is getting a little thick isn't it? I think Bloom's 99 is a little high on Reggie, and I am higher on DeAngelo than most.

Bush 98.9

Caddy 90

DeAngelo 90

Brown 88

Benson 80

 

[Sabertooth]

Excellent responses guys. Keep'em coming!

 

[AB in DC]

Ditka 105

Bush 104

God 100

Brown 91

Caddy 88

Benson 88

Williams 84

fixed

 

[Kleck.]

Ditka 105

Bush 104

God 100

Brown 91

Caddy 88

Benson 88

Williams 84

fixed

This would make a great SNL skit.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Ditka 105

Bush 104

God 100

Brown 91

Caddy 88

Benson 88

Williams 84

fixed

As soon as I saw that original post, I had the exact same thought!!

 

[-OZ-]

Ditka 105

God 100

fixed

Now I'm just confused.How is he rated twice?

 

[coco the monkey]

Bush 96

Brown 92

Caddy 90

Benson 87

Williams 86

 

[Liquid Tension]

Brown - 95 - Great size/speed ratio (4.4), very fast and big.  Size that can be a workhorse back, but with homerun speed.  Complete back, runs, catches and blocks all very well.  Lacks the superior vision and elusiveness to take it to the house in any situation, but will still get his share of big plays.

Not to nitpick, but Ronnie Brown ran a 4.3 if IIRCHeres my rankings

Ronnie Brown - 89 overall - He won't reach 90+ until he makes an impact this year. Still, he has enormous potential.

Bush - 87 overall - He will make an immediate impact on whatever team picks him. He'll probably be 90+ imho after the season is over.

Cadillac Williams - 86 overall - Great rookie season, but plagued by injuries early on. He's talented but just needs to fix his workout regimine to maximize his playing time.

Cedric Benson - 86 overall - Yeah, I rate him the same as Caddy. People seem to forget how awesome he looked in his limited PT, and was only held back because he was 2nd string to Thomas Jones. Look out next year, I think he could be huge.

Deangelo Williams - 84 overall - If he lands in the right situation, expect his number to increase, maybe to 90+ after all is said and done. If he lands in New England or another RB starved team, he could put up a good 1k yards and maybe 10 or so TDs, which would be a great start to his NFL career.

I tend to agree with the above, but would drop Benson down to 81 and Williams to 79. At the end of the day, to rate Williams at an 84 and be so ahead of dso many players in the NFL now doesn't make sense to me.One point that should be clarified is whether this is from a fantasy perspective only? Because this was based on a talent question and part of the talent question that boosts Ronnie Brown to the top is that he is an EXCELLENT blocker. he picks up blitzes like a great blocking FB. He was dancing a little too much early in the year, but was more decisive later in the year. He did have the best run of the year IMO against KC where he showed speed to turn the corner and then beat the DE around the corner than take a huge hit and then stay in bounds and immediately kick it into gear to beat guys who had angles on him. he isn't as elusive as some of the guys, but is kind of like Jamal Lewis with a little more quickness and top end speed and better pass catching ability.

 

[Burning Sensation]

This can't seriously be your team?????

Burning Sensation  Yesterday, 11:25 AM Post #2 

Footballguy

Group: Members

Joined: 14-April 03

Member No.: 165

Bush - 96

Caddy - 92

Brown - 90

Williams - 87

Benson - 86

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1 Team Dynasty league - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 K, 1 Def.

QB- Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Tom Brady, Eli Manning

RB- Larry Johnson, Ladanian Tomlinson, Shaun Alexander, Stephen Jackson, Caddy Williams, Ronnie Brown

WR- Steve Smith, Larry Fitzgerald, Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Anquan Boldin

TE- Antonio Gates, Jeremy Shockey, Jason Witten

K- Neil Rackers, Mike Vanderjagt

D- Chicago Bears, Pittsburgh Steelers

2006 rookie picks- 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.7, 1.11

Yeah, why do you ask?

 

[cracKer]

Bush 99 - ill stop short of 100. Honestly I see no weakness. So he's not going to be a 350 carry a year bruiser, he'll more than make up for it with his big play ability and top notch receiving skills

Gale Sayers averaged under 15 carries per game in his prime (16.22 touches), which, in todays games, equates to around 260 touches. Marshall Faulk has averaged 16.1 carries (20.5 touches) per game during his career, numbers that jump to 18.2 carries (23.8 touches) during the span of 98-01.

If Bush is on par with these guys, which many of us think he is, he won't have to get 300+ carries to have a major impact on the league. Giving him 350 carries would almost certainly be a detriment to his value.

Someone like Cedric Benson on the other hand...

 

[ILoveMyLions]

Bush - 96

Caddy - 92

Brown - 90

Williams - 87

Benson - 86

I would pretty much agree with this list except I would knock Benson down a slot or so. My only question is where do Lawrence Maroney and Lendale White grade out on this list?

I would think that they would be in the low 80's on my list. Any thoughts?

 

[jurb26]

Bush - 96

Caddy - 92

Brown - 90

Williams - 87

Benson - 86

I would pretty much agree with this list except I would knock Benson down a slot or so. My only question is where do Lawrence Maroney and Lendale White grade out on this list?

I would think that they would be in the low 80's on my list. Any thoughts?

Reggie Bush, 97Cadillac, 90

Ronnie, 90

DeAngelo, 89

Lendale, 88

Cedric, 87

Lawrence, 86

 

[fruity pebbles]

Bush - 96

Brown - 92

Caddy - 90

White - 88

Williams - 87

Benson - 86

Maroney - 86

 

[SoloMatisse]

So Reggie Bush draws a GALE SAYERS comparison now? Man. It just gets better and better with the Bush legend.....

Alright, about the MARSHALL FAULK comparison....Faulk stepped off the bus in Indy his rookie year and had 300plus carries and 50 something catches. The specific touches escape me, but each of his first 2 years there he had over 350 touches. I doubt they were stupid enough to put him on punt return or kick return duties, but if Houston does this it would not shock me. Though why any organization in their right mind would put a #1 overall pick as the return man on the 'smear the queer' squad completely escapes me. If Bush is used in the return game, the coaching staff needs to be fired immediately. Getting back to Faulk....he had decent #s, but Im still not sure he was a top 10 back, let alone a top 5 back. Those were his best years with the Colts if Im not mistaken. I could be wrong. Anyway, do we think the 'Reg-ister'.....$$$$$....Cha Ching.....is going to see 350plus touches each of his 1st 2 years in the league? I dont see it.

 

[coco the monkey]

So Reggie Bush draws a GALE SAYERS comparison now?  Man.  It just gets better and better with the Bush legend.....

Alright, about the MARSHALL FAULK comparison....Faulk stepped off the bus in Indy his rookie year and had 300plus carries and 50 something catches.  The specific touches escape me, but each of his first 2 years there he had over 350 touches.  I doubt they were stupid enough to put him on punt return or kick return duties, but if Houston does this it would not shock me.  Though why any organization in their right mind would put a #1 overall pick as the return man on the 'smear the queer' squad completely escapes me.  If Bush is used in the return game, the coaching staff needs to be fired immediately.  Getting back to Faulk....he had decent #s, but Im still not sure he was a top 10 back, let alone a top 5 back.  Those were his best years with the Colts if Im not mistaken.  I could be wrong.  Anyway, do we think the 'Reg-ister'.....$$$$$....Cha Ching.....is going to see 350plus touches each of his 1st 2 years in the league?  I dont see it.

300 carries is only 18 carries a game. I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility. In St. Louis Faulk was averaging about 250-260 carries a year when he was putting up the big numbers. I could see Bush getting 15-20 carries a game and 5 receptions.

 

[SoloMatisse]

So Reggie Bush draws a GALE SAYERS comparison now?  Man.  It just gets better and better with the Bush legend.....

Alright, about the MARSHALL FAULK comparison....Faulk stepped off the bus in Indy his rookie year and had 300plus carries and 50 something catches.  The specific touches escape me, but each of his first 2 years there he had over 350 touches.  I doubt they were stupid enough to put him on punt return or kick return duties, but if Houston does this it would not shock me.  Though why any organization in their right mind would put a #1 overall pick as the return man on the 'smear the queer' squad completely escapes me.  If Bush is used in the return game, the coaching staff needs to be fired immediately.  Getting back to Faulk....he had decent #s, but Im still not sure he was a top 10 back, let alone a top 5 back.  Those were his best years with the Colts if Im not mistaken.  I could be wrong.  Anyway, do we think the 'Reg-ister'.....$$$$$....Cha Ching.....is going to see 350plus touches each of his 1st 2 years in the league?  I dont see it.

300 carries is only 18 carries a game. I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility. In St. Louis Faulk was averaging about 250-260 carries a year when he was putting up the big numbers. I could see Bush getting 15-20 carries a game and 5 receptions.

one, 300 carries is 18 carries a game plus, playing ALL 16 games without fail. second, when Faulk came to St Louis, he had already been in the league for 5 or 6 years, and played with the greatest show on turf, another league MVP, 2 ALL Pro receivers, and ran behind the best Left Tackle in the game. Does Reggie Bush have ANY of this in Houston. Without a doubt......NO! NO! NO! Reggie Bush needs to be compared to some of the greatest college running backs to ever play the game...but not to legends like Gale Sayers or Marshall Faulk. Remember Charles White when he came out of USC? He was drafted by Cleveland really high....remember him?...the cant miss guy, kinda small....bad team. All American a couple of times....Rose Bowl MVP a couple of times I think. There's the guy Reggie Bush needs to be compared to.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

So Reggie Bush draws a GALE SAYERS comparison now? Man. It just gets better and better with the Bush legend.....

Alright, about the MARSHALL FAULK comparison....Faulk stepped off the bus in Indy his rookie year and had 300plus carries and 50 something catches. The specific touches escape me, but each of his first 2 years there he had over 350 touches. I doubt they were stupid enough to put him on punt return or kick return duties, but if Houston does this it would not shock me. Though why any organization in their right mind would put a #1 overall pick as the return man on the 'smear the queer' squad completely escapes me. If Bush is used in the return game, the coaching staff needs to be fired immediately. Getting back to Faulk....he had decent #s, but Im still not sure he was a top 10 back, let alone a top 5 back. Those were his best years with the Colts if Im not mistaken. I could be wrong. Anyway, do we think the 'Reg-ister'.....$$$$$....Cha Ching.....is going to see 350plus touches each of his 1st 2 years in the league? I dont see it.

This has no relevance at all. The point in bringing up Faulk was that elite numbers can be put up without a lot of carries. Whether or not Faulk could handle 350, or 450, and 1 million carries per season is irrelevant to the point that he was a fantasy god while getting well under 300.As for your point about Houston being a bad team, I don't recall Indy or STL being anything short of miserable when Faulk came out, things change. And don't look now, but the Texans franchise right now has a lot more promise than the Rams franchise did back in the mid 90's.

 

[SoloMatisse]

So Reggie Bush draws a GALE SAYERS comparison now?  Man.  It just gets better and better with the Bush legend.....

Alright, about the MARSHALL FAULK comparison....Faulk stepped off the bus in Indy his rookie year and had 300plus carries and 50 something catches.  The specific touches escape me, but each of his first 2 years there he had over 350 touches.  I doubt they were stupid enough to put him on punt return or kick return duties, but if Houston does this it would not shock me.  Though why any organization in their right mind would put a #1 overall pick as the return man on the 'smear the queer' squad completely escapes me.  If Bush is used in the return game, the coaching staff needs to be fired immediately.  Getting back to Faulk....he had decent #s, but Im still not sure he was a top 10 back, let alone a top 5 back.  Those were his best years with the Colts if Im not mistaken.  I could be wrong.  Anyway, do we think the 'Reg-ister'.....$$$$$....Cha Ching.....is going to see 350plus touches each of his 1st 2 years in the league?  I dont see it.

This has no relevance at all. The point in bringing up Faulk was that elite numbers can be put up without a lot of carries. Whether or not Faulk could handle 350, or 450, and 1 million carries per season is irrelevant to the point that he was a fantasy god while getting well under 300.

Dont tell me relevant information has no relevance at all just because its contrary to what you believe. There are many 'points' to examine.....one RELEVANT one was that Faulk played on a Superbowl calibler team with a lot of help and NEVER had less than 300 touches when he was a 'fantasy god'.

 

[coco the monkey]

So Reggie Bush draws a GALE SAYERS comparison now?  Man.  It just gets better and better with the Bush legend.....

Alright, about the MARSHALL FAULK comparison....Faulk stepped off the bus in Indy his rookie year and had 300plus carries and 50 something catches.  The specific touches escape me, but each of his first 2 years there he had over 350 touches.  I doubt they were stupid enough to put him on punt return or kick return duties, but if Houston does this it would not shock me.  Though why any organization in their right mind would put a #1 overall pick as the return man on the 'smear the queer' squad completely escapes me.  If Bush is used in the return game, the coaching staff needs to be fired immediately.  Getting back to Faulk....he had decent #s, but Im still not sure he was a top 10 back, let alone a top 5 back.  Those were his best years with the Colts if Im not mistaken.  I could be wrong.  Anyway, do we think the 'Reg-ister'.....$$$$$....Cha Ching.....is going to see 350plus touches each of his 1st 2 years in the league?  I dont see it.

300 carries is only 18 carries a game. I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility. In St. Louis Faulk was averaging about 250-260 carries a year when he was putting up the big numbers. I could see Bush getting 15-20 carries a game and 5 receptions.

one, 300 carries is 18 carries a game plus, playing ALL 16 games without fail. second, when Faulk came to St Louis, he had already been in the league for 5 or 6 years, and played with the greatest show on turf, another league MVP, 2 ALL Pro receivers, and ran behind the best Left Tackle in the game. Does Reggie Bush have ANY of this in Houston. Without a doubt......NO! NO! NO! Reggie Bush needs to be compared to some of the greatest college running backs to ever play the game...but not to legends like Gale Sayers or Marshall Faulk. Remember Charles White when he came out of USC? He was drafted by Cleveland really high....remember him?...the cant miss guy, kinda small....bad team. All American a couple of times....Rose Bowl MVP a couple of times I think. There's the guy Reggie Bush needs to be compared to.

So you think Houston's always going to suck. Seems to me their on the right path. These are dynasty drafts that he's being drafted highly in. People are looking out a few years. The Charles White comparison holds no water. He became a drug addict and that's what sunk his career. Unless you think Reggie's going to pull a Ricky. White actually got off the drugs later in his life and came back with the Rams and led the NFC in rushing.