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Mustang Man

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This will be a bigtime game with both teams needing a win real bad to get in the playoffs. What are the keys to the game? Who do you think will win and why? Can the Ravens get over their lose to the Steelers? Can Dallas keep Romo off his back and healthy?

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I will start it off. A big key for the Dallas win is no Turn overs to give the Ravens a short field cause that offense will have a very tough time moving the ball vs the Cowboys. The other big key for Dallas is limiting the Ravens punt return and kick off return yards. If they do both they will have a great shot at winning. Of coarse protecting Romo also. Special teams is a big deal I can't express that enough vs the Ravens who excel at that.

 
Exactly. Romo really needs to take care of the ball or Reed may be moon-walking into the end zone with the go ahead score.

Interesting that this game should play out just like the last 2.

In Pittsburgh, Romo didn't take care of the ball and they lost. The exact opposite against the Giants.

 
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I will start it off. A big key for the Dallas win is no Turn overs to give the Ravens a short field cause that offense will have a very tough time moving the ball vs the Cowboys. The other big key for Dallas is limiting the Ravens punt return and kick off return yards. If they do both they will have a great shot at winning. Of coarse protecting Romo also. Special teams is a big deal I can't express that enough vs the Ravens who excel at that.
Hmmm...so your keys to the game are: no turnovers, playing solid special teams, and providing good QB protection. I'd say those three things could be said each and every week in regards to each and every game. :unsure:
 
I will start it off. A big key for the Dallas win is no Turn overs to give the Ravens a short field cause that offense will have a very tough time moving the ball vs Cothe . The other big key for Dallas is limiting the Ravens punt return and kick off return yards. If they do both they will have a great shot at winning. Of coarse protecting Romo also. Special teams is a big deal I can't express that enough vs the Ravens who excel at that.
wboysHmmm...so your keys to the game are: no turnovers, playing solid special teams, and providing good QB protection. I'd say those three things could be said each and every week in regards to each and every game. :coffee:
Well to be more specific Dallas really needs to help Cory Procter cause he is the weak link on the offensive line. A solid special teams performance is paramount in this game, Dallas has a poor special teams in coverage and in most games they can over come it. This game it is a big concern because field position for the Ravens is a big deal and the Ravens have good return units and really need a short field to help their offense.. It is a big key to this game.
 
Exactly. Romo really needs to take care of the ball or Reed may be moon-walking into the end zone with the go ahead score. Interesting that this game should play out just like the last 2. In Pittsburgh, Romo didn't take care of the ball and they lost. The exact opposite against the Giants.
I think a lot of them TO's for Romo was the weather. I still can't believe Romo did not wear sleeves in that game. He over threw a lot in that game. The crazy thing is as bad a Romo was in that game in the 4th he is the top rated qb in the 4th quarter this year and he only has that 1 int this season.
 
This is like a playoff game. Whichever team loses is finished.
It is like a playoff game, but to say they are both out if they lose is just not a true statement it is likely but not certain. Other teams still have to play the games just like Dallas and the Ravens and nothing is a given in the NFL, things can change quick and usually do. One thing is for sure whoever wins this game will be looking good and whoever does not will be in trouble. Glad this game is in BIG D!!
 
the game being in Dallas is big. Joe Flacco, meet DeMarcus Ware!

short week for both teams. Romo may still be sore from the giants game, come saturday.

Procter is definately the weak link on the o-line. any chance Holland is back this week?

T.Newman played very solid against the g-men. i really like Scandrick too. i think this kid is gonna work out just fine.

stupid penalties kill drives. the Cowboys seem to have this down to a science. if they want to make the playoffs and do anything once there, they gotta cut down on the penalties

obviously Romo needs to take better care of the ball. his achilles heel is forcing passes wrecklessly at times. i love his playmaking ability, but throw the ball away!

Garrett needs to roll Romo out more. good things usually happen.

the Dallas D has been stellar against the run. they need to stuff the run and make Flacco beat them with his arm.

 
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I will start it off. A big key for the Dallas win is no Turn overs to give the Ravens a short field cause that offense will have a very tough time moving the ball vs Cothe . The other big key for Dallas is limiting the Ravens punt return and kick off return yards. If they do both they will have a great shot at winning. Of coarse protecting Romo also. Special teams is a big deal I can't express that enough vs the Ravens who excel at that.
wboysHmmm...so your keys to the game are: no turnovers, playing solid special teams, and providing good QB protection. I'd say those three things could be said each and every week in regards to each and every game. :rolleyes:
Well to be more specific Dallas really needs to help Cory Procter cause he is the weak link on the offensive line. A solid special teams performance is paramount in this game, Dallas has a poor special teams in coverage and in most games they can over come it. This game it is a big concern because field position for the Ravens is a big deal and the Ravens have good return units and really need a short field to help their offense.. It is a big key to this game.
Ravens Head Coach is a former ST's guy, not surprising that they are good in that area. I'm a big Dallas fan this weekend. Romo must be getting out of bed very gingerly this morning. How he is able to bounce back and shake off the cobwebs will go a long way to determine this game.
 
Any word on if Holland will play? The upgrade from Procter would be huge. With the game in Dallas in hopefully reasonable weather conditions it should favor the Cowboys as long as their defense doesn't suddenly lose their aggressive edge.

 
How bout them....I can't finish.
BELIEVE ME the last thing I want to do is help the Patriots. I am a big Dallas fan and they come first. I do live on the outskirts of Baltimore and follow them pretty close and would like nothing more (except Dallas making the playoffs) for them to make the playoffs and keep the Patriots out. I hope that can happen even with a Raven loss.
 
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24-10 Dallas

The Dallas defense is giving up 10 points a game less with Wade calling the defenses over the last 7 games.

 
I think this is one of those games where home field is the difference. Cowboys by 3.

 
Mustang Man said:
How bout them....I can't finish.
BELIEVE ME the last thing I want to do is help the Patriots. I am a big Dallas fan and they come first. I do live on the outskirts of Baltimore and follow them pretty close and would like nothing more (except Dallas making the playoffs) for them to make the playoffs and keep the Patriots out. I hope that can happen even with a Raven loss.
The Ravens can lose vs Dallas and win the following week and beat the Pats to the wildcard if the Pats lose to the Cardinals (at home) or Bills (away). Whether that is likely remains to be seen, but unfortunately Pats fans must lower themselves by rooting for the Cowgirls. Don't worry; it's one week only.If the Dallas defense continues to show up, I like the Cowboys in this game 17-10.
 
If the Ravens are healthy on defense, they will win because they're defense 1000x better than Dallas. Dallas is soft and should get manhandled. Don't be fooled by Dallas's play the last 2 weeks.

 
If the Ravens are healthy on defense, they will win because they're defense 1000x better than Dallas. Dallas is soft and should get manhandled. Don't be fooled by Dallas's play the last 2 weeks.
Again, I'm no Cowboys fan, but their defense has been as good, if not better than the defenses of the Steelers and Giants. I don't see that changing this week.
 
If the Ravens are healthy on defense, they will win because they're defense 1000x better than Dallas. Dallas is soft and should get manhandled. Don't be fooled by Dallas's play the last 2 weeks.
Again, I'm no Cowboys fan, but their defense has been as good, if not better than the defenses of the Steelers and Giants. I don't see that changing this week.
No, it hasn't been as good as Pitt. They're 7th overall in yards allowed and not even in the top 10 in points allowed. Baltimore is a more physical team. Baltimore wins 20-6
 
If the Ravens are healthy on defense, they will win because they're defense 1000x better than Dallas. Dallas is soft and should get manhandled. Don't be fooled by Dallas's play the last 2 weeks.
Again, I'm no Cowboys fan, but their defense has been as good, if not better than the defenses of the Steelers and Giants. I don't see that changing this week.
No, it hasn't been as good as Pitt. They're 7th overall in yards allowed and not even in the top 10 in points allowed. Baltimore is a more physical team. Baltimore wins 20-6
I'm talking in terms of the last 2 weeks since you mentioned that. You can't argue the fact their defense was as good as those two teams the past two weeks. Their defense has stepped up the past month compared to earlier in the year. Overall, yes the Ravens defense is better, but as much as it pains me to say it the Cowboys defense is peaking at the right time.
 
If the Ravens are healthy on defense, they will win because they're defense 1000x better than Dallas. Dallas is soft and should get manhandled. Don't be fooled by Dallas's play the last 2 weeks.
Solid analysis there. You must be an ESPN Insider. I can assure you Dallas is not soft. They are mentally fragile at times, but play a VERY physical game.
 
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If the Ravens are healthy on defense, they will win because they're defense 1000x better than Dallas. Dallas is soft and should get manhandled. Don't be fooled by Dallas's play the last 2 weeks.
Again, I'm no Cowboys fan, but their defense has been as good, if not better than the defenses of the Steelers and Giants. I don't see that changing this week.
No, it hasn't been as good as Pitt. They're 7th overall in yards allowed and not even in the top 10 in points allowed. Baltimore is a more physical team. Baltimore wins 20-6
Right now, they are playing just as good if not better then the Giant's and Steelers. Baltimore has zero offense. The onyl way I see Baltimore winning is if my man Romo throws it away, which could very likely happen.

 
There were questions about Holland earlier in this thread. I read a report that said he got out of a walking boot yesterday. But its hard to really know what that means. You'd think there's no way he'd be able to play having an ankle be that bad only a few days before a game. But Ken Hamlin wore one for much of last week, did not practice all week, and played against the Gmen.

My guess is that Proctor is going to be the starter. But we've got 5 days to see how that plays out. My guess is that Holland needs to practice to play.

 
Baltimore has zero offense. The onyl way I see Baltimore winning is if my man Romo throws it away, which could very likely happen.
:rolleyes: I think both defenses are pretty good but I like Dallas' offense a lot better than the Ravens. However as Frank pointed out Romo is capable of self destructing and the Ravens defense may score a couple TDs.
 
Baltimore has zero offense. The onyl way I see Baltimore winning is if my man Romo throws it away, which could very likely happen.
I agree. I dont think Baltimore can win this game. But Dallas can lose it very, very easily.
No guys, this is not the Raven team of the past. They can get the ball down the field at times. Flacco does not get rattled like you would think a rookie would. In the past the Ravens never even attempted to get the ball down the field, this year they take shots and hit them. Now this past week vs the Steelers they did revert back to being to conservative.The Ravens do have a decent offense that if they win the field position battle they can score points. All I am saying is, do not just think the Raven offense is terrible and the only way Dallas loses is if they turn the ball over.A bright spot for Dallas is they have the longest winning streak in the league for night games. While the Ravens collapse in the spot light of the night a lot.If Dallas plays a sound game does not turn the ball over, hits some deep shots, wins the field position game they should win.
 
The Cowboys are the better team and will win if Romo takes care of the ball. I don't see Baltimore scoring an offensive touchdown and I think they need at least one as Dallas will score at least 17 points.

 
Kinda surprised by the lack of appreciation Flacco is getting in here. Guy has been playing (lately) nearly as well as Matt Ryan. I'm pretty impressed w/ Dallas front 7, but nobody in the secondary is really a stand out. I wouldn't be surprised if they were able to connect for some deep plays via play action.

I do think Dallas wins though - but this will be a great game. (Hopefully Witten gets me a TD this week!)

 
I'm not a Dallas Fan, but all Dallas has to do is get 13+ pts and Balt is done.

Balt doesn't have a CB that can even think about covering TO so he will be doubled all day; Witten is going to see double digit targets again.

 
Baltimore has zero offense. The onyl way I see Baltimore winning is if my man Romo throws it away, which could very likely happen.
I agree. I dont think Baltimore can win this game. But Dallas can lose it very, very easily.
No guys, this is not the Raven team of the past. They can get the ball down the field at times. Flacco does not get rattled like you would think a rookie would. In the past the Ravens never even attempted to get the ball down the field, this year they take shots and hit them. Now this past week vs the Steelers they did revert back to being to conservative.The Ravens do have a decent offense that if they win the field position battle they can score points. All I am saying is, do not just think the Raven offense is terrible and the only way Dallas loses is if they turn the ball over.A bright spot for Dallas is they have the longest winning streak in the league for night games. While the Ravens collapse in the spot light of the night a lot.If Dallas plays a sound game does not turn the ball over, hits some deep shots, wins the field position game they should win.
Flacco is a very very very good rookie quarterback.However, the Steelers showed what he and the entire Ravens offense will perform like in big end of year games.Before considering the possibility of turnovers, the Cowboys have the edge because they have more of a big time offense.The game is Romo's to lose.
 
With the exception of the first Pittsburgh game, the Ratbirds haven't played well on the road against a quality opponent yet and I believe the trend will continue this week. Last game at the stadium and a playoff berth on the line -- Cowgirls will prevail but it won't be easy.

 
After looking at the Raven's schedule, the only decent team they performed well against was Philly. They got smoked by quality teams. They have benefited from placing in a weak division.

 
One significant advantage the Ravens have is in their return game. Dallas' coverage teams have been better recently, but they are far from trustworthy. A kickoff return or punt return TD is not unlikely for the Ravens.

A return TD. An Ed Reed TD. Perhaps a long bomb. These are the ways that the Ravens can win the game. I can almost guarantee they will not win the yardage or time of posession part of the game.

 
After looking at the Raven's schedule, the only decent team they performed well against was Philly. They got smoked by quality teams. They have benefited from placing in a weak division.
Dude off the top of my head they played Pitt well twice they played Tenn tough as well.
 
Baltimore has zero offense. The onyl way I see Baltimore winning is if my man Romo throws it away, which could very likely happen.
I agree. I dont think Baltimore can win this game. But Dallas can lose it very, very easily.
No guys, this is not the Raven team of the past. They can get the ball down the field at times. Flacco does not get rattled like you would think a rookie would. In the past the Ravens never even attempted to get the ball down the field, this year they take shots and hit them. Now this past week vs the Steelers they did revert back to being to conservative.The Ravens do have a decent offense that if they win the field position battle they can score points. All I am saying is, do not just think the Raven offense is terrible and the only way Dallas loses is if they turn the ball over.A bright spot for Dallas is they have the longest winning streak in the league for night games. While the Ravens collapse in the spot light of the night a lot.If Dallas plays a sound game does not turn the ball over, hits some deep shots, wins the field position game they should win.
Flacco is a very very very good rookie quarterback.However, the Steelers showed what he and the entire Ravens offense will perform like in big end of year games.Before considering the possibility of turnovers, the Cowboys have the edge because they have more of a big time offense.The game is Romo's to lose.
The game is always Romo's to lose. If he plays well NOBODY is beating the Cowboys.
 
After looking at the Raven's schedule, the only decent team they performed well against was Philly. They got smoked by quality teams. They have benefited from placing in a weak division.
Winning at Miami?Losing to the Titans by 3 on a last-second TD? Two epics vs. Pittsburgh, one in OT?

Seems like most people on this thread have seen one or two Ravens games this year and are judging their offense based on those performances. Of course, those performances happened to come vs. Pittsburgh (#1 Defense) and Washington (#5 defense). Remind me of the Cowboys' offensive performances vs. those teams.

This should be a very hard-fought physical game. A definite key will be the health of Ravens CB Fabian Washington. When he went out in the 4th quarter vs. Pittsburgh, the Steelers torched his replacement. So then the Ravens went to a 3-man rush, and the complexion of the game totally shifted on the final drive.

 
One significant advantage the Ravens have is in their return game. Dallas' coverage teams have been better recently, but they are far from trustworthy. A kickoff return or punt return TD is not unlikely for the Ravens.A return TD. An Ed Reed TD. Perhaps a long bomb. These are the ways that the Ravens can win the game. I can almost guarantee they will not win the yardage or time of posession part of the game.
Yep that is what I have been saying from the start of this thread ,the return game for the Ravens. If Dallas can keep the Ravens starting drive position inside the Raven 35 yard line it could be a long day for the Ravens.
 
One significant advantage the Ravens have is in their return game. Dallas' coverage teams have been better recently, but they are far from trustworthy. A kickoff return or punt return TD is not unlikely for the Ravens.

A return TD. An Ed Reed TD. Perhaps a long bomb. These are the ways that the Ravens can win the game. I can almost guarantee they will not win the yardage or time of posession part of the game.
This sounds like another person who has only seen the Ravens in the last couple of weeks. Baltimore's special teams have been lousy all season. They finally showed up vs. Pittsburgh, and now everyone thinks Baltimore has good special teams. They don't.Baltimore is #1 in the NFL in time of possession. Dallas is #18.

The Ravens have the #3 rush defense in the NFL. They have the #6 rush offense -- despite playing games vs. teams that rank 1, 1, 4, 5, 9, 10, and 11 vs. the run.

Not sure why people don't think the Ravens can control the ball in this game.

 
Exactly. Romo really needs to take care of the ball or Reed may be moon-walking into the end zone with the go ahead score. Interesting that this game should play out just like the last 2. In Pittsburgh, Romo didn't take care of the ball and they lost. The exact opposite against the Giants.
Don't forget the other side of the ball. Dallas D has been solid as of late and could set Romo and company up for short yardage as well. Plus Romo is playing solid at home, but the Oline def has to keep him healthy.
 
One significant advantage the Ravens have is in their return game. Dallas' coverage teams have been better recently, but they are far from trustworthy. A kickoff return or punt return TD is not unlikely for the Ravens.

A return TD. An Ed Reed TD. Perhaps a long bomb. These are the ways that the Ravens can win the game. I can almost guarantee they will not win the yardage or time of posession part of the game.
This sounds like another person who has only seen the Ravens in the last couple of weeks. Baltimore's special teams have been lousy all season. They finally showed up vs. Pittsburgh, and now everyone thinks Baltimore has good special teams. They don't.Baltimore is #1 in the NFL in time of possession. Dallas is #18.

The Ravens have the #3 rush defense in the NFL. They have the #6 rush offense -- despite playing games vs. teams that rank 1, 1, 4, 5, 9, 10, and 11 vs. the run.

Not sure why people don't think the Ravens can control the ball in this game.
Wow the Ravens don't have good return special teams. Every time I watch the Ravens that Lenard guy has a good return. You would know more then I do, so I will take your word for it. Dallas is weak in the return game so if the Ravens are also that is just one more plus for Dallas. I doubt that the Ravens can control the clock by just running the ball. If you hold the ball all day and come away with fg's that will not be good enough. Dallas is #18 cause they are a passing team so that is misleading. What are the Ravens vs the pass? Not many teams have scored on the ground vs Dallas this season.
 
I'm a little surprised at the lack of respect the Ravens offense is getting.

-They are decent on the ground.

-Mason and Clayton are under rated by NFL standards. These are the type of WR's Dallas seems to struggle against (Santana Moss, Amani Toomer etc)

-Heap is healthy and Dallas has historically had some problems against TE's. Although this has improved.

I see a conservative approach from Dallas and a 20-14 type win.

 
Baltimore has zero offense. The onyl way I see Baltimore winning is if my man Romo throws it away, which could very likely happen.
I agree. I dont think Baltimore can win this game. But Dallas can lose it very, very easily.
No guys, this is not the Raven team of the past. They can get the ball down the field at times. Flacco does not get rattled like you would think a rookie would. In the past the Ravens never even attempted to get the ball down the field, this year they take shots and hit them. Now this past week vs the Steelers they did revert back to being to conservative.The Ravens do have a decent offense that if they win the field position battle they can score points. All I am saying is, do not just think the Raven offense is terrible and the only way Dallas loses is if they turn the ball over.A bright spot for Dallas is they have the longest winning streak in the league for night games. While the Ravens collapse in the spot light of the night a lot.If Dallas plays a sound game does not turn the ball over, hits some deep shots, wins the field position game they should win.
Flacco is a very very very good rookie quarterback.However, the Steelers showed what he and the entire Ravens offense will perform like in big end of year games.Before considering the possibility of turnovers, the Cowboys have the edge because they have more of a big time offense.The game is Romo's to lose.
The game is always Romo's to lose. If he plays well NOBODY is beating the Cowboys.
The Cowboys defense was nowhere near playoff caliber until Wade went back to more of a defensive coordinator role.So let's not pretend that Romo can carry the entire team on his back...
 
Ravens will win. There is nothing that the Cowboys D will do that the Ravens haven't seen from the Steelers twice already. Romo is good, but had proven time and time again that he will find a way to lose in December. The Ravens are playing much better than the Giants right now, so throw last weeks game out.

Romo is hurt and the Ravens will punish him. I honestly do not believe he will finish the game.

The Ravens will run, run, run until they can't run anymore. Throw in a play action every once in a while and there is potential for some big plays against that secondary.

This game has disaster written all over it for the Boys. Once they start getting frustrated that they can't move the ball, guess who will start running his mouth?

I will go out on a limb and say the Ravens win this game pretty handily. Might not be reflected in the score, but the game will be dominated by them.

 
Will be keeping an eye on this one as well. Already bouncing between Owens and Housh this week, but I haven't seen the Ravens that much this year, whereas I've seen too much of the Browns.

How is the pass D this year? Are WR's getting any solid scoring opportunities or is it mostly TE's and RB's in the short and underneath stuff?

 

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