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[Steeler]

Anyone who disagrees has to be fishing.

Or just doesn't understand clock management.

Good point. Unless M. Tomlin is really MAC_32.

 

[The_Man]

I will make no excuses for the steelers. Ravens deserved this game.Do ravens fans believe Joe F can lead them to a championship? Hes much better than a dozen starting qbs in the league but he never really seems to step up when it's time to win. What is Flacco's signature moment? Is it yet to come?

Ravens fans feel like Flacco did his job to get the team to the Super Bowl last year, but his WR dropped the game-winning TD. His signature moments to date have been the last two games in Pittsburgh before tonight, when he's twice driven the length of the field for a game-winning TD in the final seconds vs. the NFL's best defense.

 

[Witz]

One thing I noticed in the box score about that last play of the game - it didn't capture the fact that Wallace was the first one to catch the ball (but went back a yard before he throw it backwards). I'm assuming that will get corrected later this week for those with or playing against Wallace.

 

[sporthenry]

that's why you call the safe pass and if it is not there take the sack

Sure, but that isn't a true pass play which they can call at 2:04. By holding on to your time out, you make the offense think a lot harder and take less chances. And 4 seconds quite frankly aren't that important esp. when your RB wastes 20 seconds on his own.

 

[The_Man]

Earlier this week, Football Outsiders said that the Ravens' special teams are one of the 10 best ever through 10 weeks of an NFL season. Will be interesting to see how they move up after this week. Special teams were dominant on coverage, plus the game-winning TD.

 

[Sea Duck]

Always call the timeout before the two minute warning

You're wrong.

If you don't like maximizing the time with the football, sure

If it was 1st or 2nd down, you would be correct. You are not correct given the situation in this game.

No, my point is correct. I am just more willing to rely on my defense there to save me seven seconds, get me an extra play at the end

But your method actually makes it much more difficult to "rely" on the defense, because it opens up the opponent's playbook. You're putting extra pressure on your defense just for a non-guaranteed chance of saving a few seconds.Plus, your method eliminates the possibility that Pittsburgh could get to keep the timeout.

It's not worth the risk to save 4 seconds. Pittsburgh just proved that tonight.

 

[MAC_32]

Pros and cons to both decisions, mine maximizes time on the clock with a little more risk. A sixth play instead of only having five is a big difference. You guys are more conservative and want to deflect the tough decision to someone else.

I want as much time as possible and I get that with the timeout in front of the warning. I don't think the odds that I have the extra timeout in my pocket are strong enough to justify giving up an extra play

 

[Steeler]

Would the Steelers have won the game with C. Batch at QB? I say yes... 49 - 13

 

[sporthenry]

Pros and cons to both decisions, mine maximizes time on the clock with a little more risk. A sixth play instead of only having five is a big difference. You guys are more conservative and want to deflect the tough decision to someone else. I want as much time as possible and I get that with the timeout in front of the warning. I don't think the odds that I have the extra timeout in my pocket are strong enough to justify giving up an extra play

Well in this scenario, which you can't just brush off as a veteran jumping offsides, you cost yourself 8 plays or 40 seconds. So, yes I'm minimizing that risk along with the risk I don't even touch the ball again. With 1:55 seconds or 2:00 left, if you run a good 2 minute warning, those 5 seconds won't even be felt and you'll waste more time trying to spike the ball or staying in bounds.

 

[CrossEyed]

Would the Steelers have won the game with C. Batch at QB? I say yes... 49 - 13

They may have won the game with C. Brown at QB.

 

[MAC_32]

I am a bad coach if I don't think I have my guys prepared to not jump offsides there, thought doesn't enter my mind. I would be having a meeting with them first thing Monday morning. Inexcusable

 

[GregR]

Made a thread here with a poll to discuss the handling of the timeout. Good topic.

 

[The_Man]

you know it's a boring game when there's less than 3 pages during the actual game and then three more pages talking about whether to call a timeout 5 seconds before or after the 2:00 warning

 

[Steeler]

I want as much time as possible and I get that with the timeout in front of the warning.

But this allows the Ravens to aggressively try to get the first down because the Steelers have no timeouts. Earlier you admitted that the Ravens would just call a safe pass play or eat it if the Steelers had kept the time out. Don't you see how calling the timeout first makes the Ravens options much better? It's OK to admit you are wrong even though this is the internet.

 

[CrossEyed]

I am a bad coach if I don't think I have my guys prepared to not jump offsides there, thought doesn't enter my mind. I would be having a meeting with them first thing Monday morning. Inexcusable

It was bad clock management even if they don't jump offsides.

 

[Steeler]

I am a bad coach if I don't think I have my guys prepared to not jump offsides there, thought doesn't enter my mind. I would be having a meeting with them first thing Monday morning. Inexcusable

That's irrelevant. You have to be fishing.

 

[MAC_32]

I am a bad coach if I don't think I have my guys prepared to not jump offsides there, thought doesn't enter my mind. I would be having a meeting with them first thing Monday morning. Inexcusable

That's irrelevant. You have to be fishing.

No, I am maximizing the time my offense has the ball. The only way I am not is if Baltimore throws an incomplete pass or my idiot linemen jump offsides. Likelihood, slim.

 

[Steeler]

I am a bad coach if I don't think I have my guys prepared to not jump offsides there, thought doesn't enter my mind. I would be having a meeting with them first thing Monday morning. Inexcusable

That's irrelevant. You have to be fishing.

No, I am maximizing the time my offense has the ball. The only way I am not is if Baltimore throws an incomplete pass or my idiot linemen jump offsides. Likelihood, slim.

Forget about the off sides, that is irrelevant. What you are doing is maximizing the chance the Ravens convert the 3rd and 7 because they don't have to worry about the incomplete pass stopping the clock. This is my last response to you because it's so clear that you are wrong you have to be fishing.

 

[MAC_32]

Don't think I have ever fished here so why would I start with a game between two teams i hate?

 

[bryhamm]

I am a bad coach if I don't think I have my guys prepared to not jump offsides there, thought doesn't enter my mind. I would be having a meeting with them first thing Monday morning. Inexcusable

That's irrelevant. You have to be fishing.

No, I am maximizing the time my offense has the ball. The only way I am not is if Baltimore throws an incomplete pass or my idiot linemen jump offsides. Likelihood, slim.

Forget about the off sides, that is irrelevant. What you are doing is maximizing the chance the Ravens convert the 3rd and 7 because they don't have to worry about the incomplete pass stopping the clock. This is my last response to you because it's so clear that you are wrong you have to be fishing.

This is where Mac's logic breaks down. He is giving it equal weightings when clearly it is not.

 

[Sea Duck]

I am a bad coach if I don't think I have my guys prepared to not jump offsides there, thought doesn't enter my mind. I would be having a meeting with them first thing Monday morning. Inexcusable

That's irrelevant. You have to be fishing.

No, I am maximizing the time my offense has the ball. The only way I am not is if Baltimore throws an incomplete pass or my idiot linemen jump offsides. Likelihood, slim.

Or if Baltimore runs out of bounds. Or if Baltimore fumbles. Or if Baltimore throws an interception. Or if Baltimore calls a timeout.There are multiple scenarios where it's better to wait, and just one scenario where it's better to call the timeout.

 

[Arschloch]

One thing I noticed in the box score about that last play of the game - it didn't capture the fact that Wallace was the first one to catch the ball (but went back a yard before he throw it backwards). I'm assuming that will get corrected later this week for those with or playing against Wallace.

You are correct. Believe it or not, the outcome of one game in my league depends on this being fixed. Currently, a certain team is losing; after Wallace gets credit for the last catch and 5-10 (?) yards, that team will have won. Hope this gets fixed.

 

[Sea Duck]

One thing I noticed in the box score about that last play of the game - it didn't capture the fact that Wallace was the first one to catch the ball (but went back a yard before he throw it backwards). I'm assuming that will get corrected later this week for those with or playing against Wallace.

You are correct. Believe it or not, the outcome of one game in my league depends on this being fixed. Currently, a certain team is losing; after Wallace gets credit for the last catch and 5-10 (?) yards, that team will have won. Hope this gets fixed.

The play-by-play credits Wallace for 1 catch for 0 yards.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Don't think I have ever fished here so why would I start with a game between two teams i hate?

I don't thunk you're fishing because you're a very smart poster on this site. Regardless, I firmly believe thayt you're wrong. The difference of 4 or 5 seconds is much more negligible than the difference in giving the Ravens a free opportunity to choose any play in their arsenal. I don't care how good the Steelers D is or how bad the Ravens O is. It was a terrible call.

 

[belljr]

Barely made it passed halftime :( Appears I didn't miss much

 

[Witz]

One thing I noticed in the box score about that last play of the game - it didn't capture the fact that Wallace was the first one to catch the ball (but went back a yard before he throw it backwards). I'm assuming that will get corrected later this week for those with or playing against Wallace.

You are correct. Believe it or not, the outcome of one game in my league depends on this being fixed. Currently, a certain team is losing; after Wallace gets credit for the last catch and 5-10 (?) yards, that team will have won. Hope this gets fixed.

The play-by-play credits Wallace for 1 catch for 0 yards.

They play started on the 28 yard line - Wallace caught the ball between the 30 and 31 yard lines, started to move forward but didn't quite get to the 31 yard line than moved back to the 30 yard line and tossed the ball backwards. Not sure if he would get credit for a 3 or 2 yard catch - I initially thought it was farther than that but I went back and looked at the tape. Agree though that this will impact some folks.

 

[Godsbrother]

Huge win for the Ravens even though they played like crap last night. They should have the division all sewed up now.

Steelers are in trouble if Leftwich starts at QB next week but if they do manage to beat the Browns they will be sitting at 7-4 and still be in good position for wildcard.