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RAVENS TO RUN THE BALL (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter BustedKnuckles
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Where are Deuce McAllister, Ahman Green, and Freddy Taylor on your cheatsheet? Those guys are all going 2 or 3 rounds after Lewis, and before anybody notes the different circumstances dont forget that none of them have a guy who's rushed for 1500 yards and 15 tds backing them up. My point is Lewis is not being treated like similar guys in his position are, and i cant understand why. And those guys are playing now.
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
Be careful what you wish for...I realize this is mostly coincidence, but I thought it was funny given your comment. This is what you get from 27 year old RBs with 2000 yard seasons under their belt. (and I think only T.Davis's 2000 sample could be categorized as "injury prone".) The best was OJ with 93 combined yards per game and a whopping 4 total TDs. The others were complete disasters.
T.Davis
1999 den | 4 | 67 211 3.1 2 | 3 26 8.7 0 | (Turned 27 during year)
2000 den | 5 | 78 282 3.6 2 | 2 4 2.0 0 | (27 at start of year)
E.Dickerson
1987 ram | 3 | 60 277 4.6 1 | 5 38 7.6 0 |
O.Simpson
1974 buf | 14 | 270 1125 4.2 3 | 15 189 12.6 1 |
Average using Davis 1999:
538-2 84-0.3
Average using Davis 2000:
561-2 77-0.3
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Well, part of that is how you view Lewis' injury. I'm in the camp that the Ravens saw what they needed to see and are just resting him up for the regular season.I love Mike Anderson - I took him last year as my #2 RB and his 1000 yards and 13tds were very much appreciated. But @ 33 I don't see him as a threat to Lewis - he's insurance, nothing more.
I've got the 3 guys listed above below Lewis because:
McAllister - possible lost touches to Bush
Green - Hasn't played yet in Pre-Season / just shy of 30 / GB is not very good
Taylor - G Jones is knocking on the door / he's almost 31 / the Jags draft a RB high every year
Warpig
Footballguy
Uhhh...I think the Ravens have faced 8 man fronts since Jamal has been there. They've never had a qb that scared defenses and keep them honest. It's always been about Jamal. Now that McNair is there defenses will have to play honest...no more 8 man fronts or McNair will pick them apart with Heap and Mason. I think it is very possible for Baltimore to run 500 times. I suspect Jamal will have a nice year...not great, but respectable. I just hope he stays healthy. :jamalowner: 
DoubleG
Footballguy
You're right - none of them have the wonderous Mike Anderson, who in his illustrious multi-year career put up those numbers (and anywhere close to those numbers) once - in what most agree is the most RB friendly offense EVAH. McAllister has one of the most talented RBs to come out of college in recent histroy as his "backup" - Green is coming off a more serious injury and is splitting time with 2 other backs and Taylor is much older (and much more injury prone). The fact is, the reason Lewis isn't being treated like guys in similar circumstances, is the guys you cited AREN'T in similar circumstances. In all 3 of your cases, the back of the future is the "backup" - in Jamal's case, he IS the back of the forseeable future - it's Anderson who is in the twilight of his less-than-amazing career.mbuehner said:
DoubleG
Footballguy
Ironically, people are saying "They got McNair - they aint gonna run" The fact that they got McNair is exatly WHY they will be able to run. Teams can't just put 8+ in the box - they're going to have to respect the Raven's passing game (did I just say 'Raven's passing game'?) If Billick has run 450+ times with 8 in the box - how often will he run when teams start dropping safties and LBs into coverage?I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
Banger
Footballguy
Agreed. The goal of every team (except for Martz teams) is to run the ball and play good defense. If teams can run they will. Having teams respect the pass will only open up the run. It's what they've been trying to do for years in Balt with no success.
The 1226 all purpose yards and 13 TDs he scored last year in 15 games wasnt close? You really want to talk about one year flukes in a Jamal Lewis thread? The guy who scored twice as many TDs in his big year than he ever did before or since?You throw out both their big years and they both come out 4.1 y/c lifetime.
Boy, where to start. First of all, i can hear the Musa Smith owners grousing about being left out of the conversation. Secondly, unless you think Sam Gado and Greg Jones have showcased something i dont think they have, Mike Anderson is a heck of a bigger threat. Check out their respective paychecks to see if their GMs agree. And whip on Anderson all you like, his statistics are nearly identical to Lewis's... except Anderson hasnt fallen off a full yard per carry the last 2 years running, and he isnt on the trainers table half the year.
Banger
Footballguy
he's not in Denver either...
DoubleG
Footballguy
For starters, Jamal hasn't had the benefit of playing in Denver his whole career (and Anderson no longer does either) I think Olandis Gary, Quentin Griffin, Tatum Bell, and Ron Dayne are pretty available in most drafts. Second, Jamal will be turning 27 - Anderson will be 33. Third, in Jamal's 7 year career, he has had 2 seasons when he DIDN'T have 1,000+ rushing yards, Anderson had only had 2 where he DID. I wouldn't exactly call Anderson the model of consistency. In terms of TDs - Lewis has had 6+ TD's 4 seasons, Anderson only two.
You are correct on one point here - Anderson hasn't dropped off over 1 yard per carry in the past two years - he didn't even PLAY in 2004. Again - in Taylor's case, he's on the wrong side of 30 (he's already 33) and there are other backs in the backfield's of Jacksonville and Green Bay other than Jones and Gado. Is Anderson a capable backup? Certainly. Is he a threat to steal Lewis' starting job if Lewis is remotely close to healthy? No. Are the chances of Jamal being healthy by game 1 better than Taylor's or Green's? I think so.
And I dont recall any of those guys approaching what Anderson did in 2000 or 2005. Now Reuban Droughns and Clinton Portis on the other hand seem to have done ok for themselves? So how much is the Denver scheme and how much is Denver grooming good backs?
Lewis has managed to compile some decent seasons. But he needs 300+ carries to do it. Which he cant do anymore, making the point moot.
Lewis has a TD 2.8% of the times he touches the ball. Anderson has a TD ever 4.3%. Thats a big difference in efficiency. How big? Lewis has 700 more touches than Anderson in his career and 3 less TDs.
You'll note you are putting words in my mouth to begin with. My argument isnt that a healthy Anderson will overtake a healthy Lewis, because that isnt a viable scenario. Lewis will get banged up, and its at that point that Anderson will start eating carries. because thats what happens to Lewis. And same deal with the Green, McAllister, Taylor argument- its not an argument over who is good or better, its an argument of why those guys have the high likelihood of injury factored into their projections but Lewis doesnt seem to.
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
DoubleG
Footballguy
My bad - good catch. I was arguing with someone else about Curtis Martin earlier
Taylor is already 30 
Irish
Footballguy
Last yr was your first year watching football huh?
DoubleG
Footballguy
I like your points - I even like the way you back them up with stats, but as you can likely tell by my sig, you can pretty much make stats say what you want. First off, Lewis had 269 carries last year - coming off jail time and an ankle injury (which he tried to rehab while in prison). 3 of the last 4 seasons Lewis has played in 15+ games (in 2004, he was suspended for 4 games - hence not making the 15 game plateau). I'm not exactly sure where you get the assertion that Lewis is not capable of playing through injury.Taylor, on the other hand has reached 15+ GP exactly twice in his career. Green missed 11 games last year, as did McAllister. (Taylor missed 5 games last year). The point is simply that McAllister, Taylor and Green are still all recovering from major injuries (or in Taylor's case, just a lot of them). Lewis is already recovered, therefore, he is ahead of the other 3. Certainly I am not saying that all 4 don't stand an equal chance of getting hurt - I'm simply saying that as of right now, Lewis seems to be the healthiest of the 4.
Also, Taylor is 30, Green 29 (whose YPC have dropped 2 yards over the past 2 years), Deuce will turn 28 (but he is coming off a torn ACL) and Lewis is about to turn 27. Simply put, minor nagging injuries should not affect the slightly younger body of Jamal Lewis as much as his older running mates.
I think we must agree to disagree. You think Lewis is more (or at least as much) prone to be injured than Green, Taylor or Deuce. I think, given his past record of playing through injury, younger age and the fact that he is 1 year removed from major injury, that's not the case.
You are a fine argumentator though.
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Northern Voice
Footballguy
Any idea who's going to get the goalline carries here? Mike Anderson would make the most sense to me but I could see it going to any of the 3 backs really.
Guzalot
Footballguy
But the coach said so, so it must be true.
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