Hmm, let's see he had 107 rushes and 33 catches last year. Let's just say he gets 225 rushes this year. I think it's safe to say that he gets over 50 catches...I think that's pretty good for a RB in a PPR league format.What's everyone's take on Ray Rice this year?Looks like he could be a nice pick in later rounds. Should be more valuable in a PPR league.Just wondering if he would be a RB to target if i were to go RB/WR/WR on draft day.
barber has, um, potential, too. and TDs. take barber.I was just offered Barber for Rice, not quite sure if I should take it. Rice definitely has potential in PPR.
First, Ray Rice. Why all the love for him? Because the Ravens simply run the ball, and that will not change. Flacco should be somewhat improved, but this team will keep the same game plan and that's playing defense and running the ball. A slight improvement from Flacco will be a positive, not a negative. Not to mention Cam Cameron, who gets the most out of his RBs (see: LT 2002-2006, Ronnie Brown 2007). Check out McClain, McGahee, and Rice combined last year:
509 rushes, 2027 yards, 17 TDs
76 receptions, 569 yards, 1 TD
443 fantasy pointsAll signs point to an increase for Rice, and it's fairly easy to see this coming. He's their best runner: last year his YPC was 4.2 compared to 3.9 for McClain and McGahee, and his YPR was 8.3 compared to 7.2 and 6.3. The Ravens lost FB Lorenzo Neal to the Raiders, so McClain will have to play FB. When McClain is at RB, they will have to go with a Jumbo package... that will only be effective for 3rd-and-1, 4th-and-1, and Goal Line (inside the 5). I don't think they will use McClain on something like 3rd-and-5 or even 3rd-and-3... and they won't use McClain in the Red Zone except inside the 5.
McGahee had not one but two lower leg surgeries this offseason... knee and ankle I think. Reports from camp suggest that he is looking good, but I just don't see it. He will play second fiddle... he would've already been cut if his contract didn't cause so much of a cap hit. And don't forget, he will be banged up and miss some time. Count on it.
Give Rice half of those 500 carries at his 4.2 YPC... looking at 250 for 1050 yards. He's shown that he's a talented reciever as he led the team in receptions last year with 33. 40 receptions at 8.5 YPR for 340 yards. I don't think his TDs will be spectacular, but 6 rushing and 2 receiving is reasonable. Almost 1400 total yards, 40 receptions, 8 TDs => 228 points. He's only 5'8'' but bulked up to about 215... plenty big to carry the load. Not to mention he was a workhorse at Rutgers. He's not a scatback.
Why in the world would you not accept this deal as soon as it popped up on your screen?karmarooster said:barber has, um, potential, too. and TDs. take barber.jswalker1981 said:I was just offered Barber for Rice, not quite sure if I should take it. Rice definitely has potential in PPR.
against a fairly good Jets rush defense..Rice will catch 60+ balls, and carry the ball about 275-300 times in 2009...and I know it is just preseason,but the Ravens didn't take Rice out when they were at the goalline, they let him score from within the 5..that is an impressive sign of things to come..don't sleep on Cam Cameron's RB's..this guy is going to be a workhorse RB, and what's not to like when you play Cincy and Cle 2x each/yr?!I've only seen Rice once in pre-season, last night. He doesn't strike me as the most talented RB, but runs hard and determined. Lays good blocks also.I drafted on Saturday and got him in the 8th. There were a couple groans....as in he would not have made it out of that round.
there's a chance you could get rice in the 5th, depends on how savvy your league is.would 4:06 be too early in a 12 team PPR ? I want Andre with my 1:07 pick, then probably Jennings or Wayne with me 2nd, then the top RB on the board with my 3rd, possibly Ronnie Brown, then Rice in the 4th. Is this a good strategy ?
I have a similar plan, best or WR/RB with 1.08, then the opposite position in rd 2, then another RB/WR in rd 3, and at rd 4 if I took WR in rd 3, and Rice is the best of the bunch, I will take him, then QB in 5, I like a few, so hopefully one is there at 5.08.Obviously if someone drops a bit and is too good to pass up RB-wise in rd 3, I wont pass that guy to get Rice.I hope to get something like DeAngelo, Moss, P Thomas, D Jackson, Rodgers...maybe thats all wishful thinking but we do IDP and LBs start popping in late rd 3 or early 4, so some top offensive players fall a bit.would 4:06 be too early in a 12 team PPR ? I want Andre with my 1:07 pick, then probably Jennings or Wayne with me 2nd, then the top RB on the board with my 3rd, possibly Ronnie Brown, then Rice in the 4th. Is this a good strategy ?
I have a similar plan, best or WR/RB with 1.08, then the opposite position in rd 2, then another RB/WR in rd 3, and at rd 4 if I took WR in rd 3, and Rice is the best of the bunch, I will take him, then QB in 5, I like a few, so hopefully one is there at 5.08.Obviously if someone drops a bit and is too good to pass up RB-wise in rd 3, I wont pass that guy to get Rice.I hope to get something like DeAngelo, Moss, P Thomas, D Jackson, Rodgers...maybe thats all wishful thinking but we do IDP and LBs start popping in late rd 3 or early 4, so some top offensive players fall a bit.would 4:06 be too early in a 12 team PPR ? I want Andre with my 1:07 pick, then probably Jennings or Wayne with me 2nd, then the top RB on the board with my 3rd, possibly Ronnie Brown, then Rice in the 4th. Is this a good strategy ?
This is why I was upset his game was on Monday night - lots of people got to see him play and he didn't disappoint. Heck, Kuselius was talking him up today on Mike & Mike as well. He's no longer under the radar even for the casual fantasy football player.when I first started my ffb research Rice was just a sleeper and barely making it out of the 5/6th round. The cat is out of the bag gents and if you want him take him no later than the 4th. If you draft near the end you better take him early in the 4th or you won't see him. I have him along with forte and jacobs in my 12 man ppr league, and yes my wrs suck! I'm hoping brady and my rbs will make up for it. If you want a player you have to reach for him.
I have a similar plan, best or WR/RB with 1.08, then the opposite position in rd 2, then another RB/WR in rd 3, and at rd 4 if I took WR in rd 3, and Rice is the best of the bunch, I will take him, then QB in 5, I like a few, so hopefully one is there at 5.08.Obviously if someone drops a bit and is too good to pass up RB-wise in rd 3, I wont pass that guy to get Rice.would 4:06 be too early in a 12 team PPR ? I want Andre with my 1:07 pick, then probably Jennings or Wayne with me 2nd, then the top RB on the board with my 3rd, possibly Ronnie Brown, then Rice in the 4th. Is this a good strategy ?
I hope to get something like DeAngelo, Moss, P Thomas, D Jackson, Rodgers...maybe thats all wishful thinking but we do IDP and LBs start popping in late rd 3 or early 4, so some top offensive players fall a bit.
Whats the risk here?Hes a starting RBIts only a risk if u listen to what cheat sheets or analysts say, plus listening to them is death to a title anyways, how often have they been right!No risk here at all, none whats so ever.....injury is the only one and that goes for everyone!Start using common sense, stop using analyst rankings!I like Rice a lot, but 4th or 5th would be too rich for my blood. High risk, high reward though......
WHAT DO LAST YEARS STATS HAVE TO WITH THIS YEARS POTENTIAL?NOTHIN, MCGAHEE WAS THE STARTER LAST YEAR, NOW ITS RICE!Dont get me wrong, Im a big fan of Rice and see lots of positives for him. Especially in the receiving area. I even plan on drafting him and for the most part I agree with you.But the risk with him (when compared to the people dafted around him) is that he scored 0 touchdowns last year on 100+rush/140+ touches. Zero TDs on 140 is almost as bad as his 33 catches is good in ppr. No other RB did that. A serious lack of scoring could sting.Whats the risk here?I like Rice a lot, but 4th or 5th would be too rich for my blood. High risk, high reward though......
Why are you yelling? You're a foot from me.WHAT DO LAST YEARS STATS HAVE TO WITH THIS YEARS POTENTIAL?NOTHIN, MCGAHEE WAS THE STARTER LAST YEAR, NOW ITS RICE!Dont get me wrong, Im a big fan of Rice and see lots of positives for him. Especially in the receiving area. I even plan on drafting him and for the most part I agree with you.But the risk with him (when compared to the people dafted around him) is that he scored 0 touchdowns last year on 100+rush/140+ touches. Zero TDs on 140 is almost as bad as his 33 catches is good in ppr. No other RB did that. A serious lack of scoring could sting.Whats the risk here?I like Rice a lot, but 4th or 5th would be too rich for my blood. High risk, high reward though......
My work requires DOS, which makes me use all caps at times, not gonna worry about changin it from not caps, cuz at the end of the day it still says the same thing....Why are you yelling? You're a foot from me.WHAT DO LAST YEARS STATS HAVE TO WITH THIS YEARS POTENTIAL?NOTHIN, MCGAHEE WAS THE STARTER LAST YEAR, NOW ITS RICE!Dont get me wrong, Im a big fan of Rice and see lots of positives for him. Especially in the receiving area. I even plan on drafting him and for the most part I agree with you.But the risk with him (when compared to the people dafted around him) is that he scored 0 touchdowns last year on 100+rush/140+ touches. Zero TDs on 140 is almost as bad as his 33 catches is good in ppr. No other RB did that. A serious lack of scoring could sting.Whats the risk here?I like Rice a lot, but 4th or 5th would be too rich for my blood. High risk, high reward though......
Dude Relax and get off your beat box. I do what I want and I certainly dont need you telling me who and what I listen too. You dont even know me so zip it. I have already made it more than clear that I am a fan of Rice these days (In the past not so much). Rice is a risky pick in the 4th in MY MIND. There are 3 capable running backs on that team and they will all be involved. FACT. Do what you want with that info, but dont cry when Rice isnt performing like a 4th round pick around week 10 and McClain has 10 TD's.Whats the risk here?Hes a starting RBIts only a risk if u listen to what cheat sheets or analysts say, plus listening to them is death to a title anyways, how often have they been right!No risk here at all, none whats so ever.....injury is the only one and that goes for everyone!Start using common sense, stop using analyst rankings!I like Rice a lot, but 4th or 5th would be too rich for my blood. High risk, high reward though......
The Ravens will do whatever is most effective. If they think Rice getting 70% of the carries/catches, then they'll lean that way, But if Willis McGahee shows his 2007 form and what he did for a few plays last year, he'll get plenty of action, closer to 40%. As for Le'Ron Mclain, this wont be as static from last year. he is limited to short yardage carries with the amount depending on two things..who else plays FB and the health of Rice and McGahee.There is no way Baltimore has a workhorse back this year provided they all stay healthy. Rice is getting too hyped up. Baltimore is the MODEL for the 3 headed RBBC. Rice may put up the best numbers of the bunch, especially in PPR, but expecting a top 10 RB from Baltimore seems a bit of a reach. I do like Rice, I think he's very talented and in 2010 very well could be a top 10 back. I'm just not sold on THAT yet. But the RB2's around R4-5 are so muddled that if someone is high on him, they should go for it I suppose. Who's to say he doesn't do better than Addai or Moreno or Parker.. or even as good as Lynch in PPR.. so he could be a solid RB2 IF things fall his way.Bottom line.. I can see him going for 1400 total and 8 td's (similar split to MJD, but less TD's b/c he's not the goalline back, he's 3rd for that) as a CEILING. Good solid RB2 numbers. I can also see him going for 1000 total and 5 TD's with 40 receptions, which would be a high end #3 as a floor.
Well im glad u know all this and told me, now i can disregard my source in the Ravens organization! Thank you!Dude Relax and get off your beat box. I do what I want and I certainly dont need you telling me who and what I listen too. You dont even know me so zip it. I have already made it more than clear that I am a fan of Rice these days (In the past not so much). Rice is a risky pick in the 4th in MY MIND. There are 3 capable running backs on that team and they will all be involved. FACT. Do what you want with that info, but dont cry when Rice isnt performing like a 4th round pick around week 10 and McClain has 10 TD's.Whats the risk here?Hes a starting RBIts only a risk if u listen to what cheat sheets or analysts say, plus listening to them is death to a title anyways, how often have they been right!No risk here at all, none whats so ever.....injury is the only one and that goes for everyone!Start using common sense, stop using analyst rankings!I like Rice a lot, but 4th or 5th would be too rich for my blood. High risk, high reward though......
Don't go by college stats.Garrett Wolfe scored 34 TD's in 2 years, but he's definately NOT a goal line RB in the NFL.I've seen just about every game Rice ever played at Rutgers, so I understand why some people who've seen him play with Baltimore come away unimpressed. His signature move is to read and react to a hole, and many times will slow up to wait for his blocking to set. It's not flashy and makes it appear he is doing alot less than he is. Many times I sat in Rutgers Stadium thinking he had 20 carries for 80 yards only to go home and see 28 for 150.Also, I would ignore the TD stats from last year. With McClain and McGahee, there wasn't much reason to put him in at the goalline, especially when he was dinged up later in the season. But he's a great goalline back. He just always found a way to get into the endzone. 44 times over his last 2 years, 20 in 2006 even with Brian Leonard in the same backfield.Bottom line to me, by the end of the year, McGahee will be a non-factor.
Unless your source is the coach or the Off Coord. then im going to trust my instincts and what history has told me. Maybe if you werent so rude in the way you told people how much you like Rice, then people wouldnt snap at you. Thanks Chief.Well im glad u know all this and told me, now i can disregard my source in the Ravens organization! Thank you!Dude Relax and get off your beat box. I do what I want and I certainly dont need you telling me who and what I listen too. You dont even know me so zip it. I have already made it more than clear that I am a fan of Rice these days (In the past not so much). Rice is a risky pick in the 4th in MY MIND. There are 3 capable running backs on that team and they will all be involved. FACT. Do what you want with that info, but dont cry when Rice isnt performing like a 4th round pick around week 10 and McClain has 10 TD's.Whats the risk here?Hes a starting RBIts only a risk if u listen to what cheat sheets or analysts say, plus listening to them is death to a title anyways, how often have they been right!No risk here at all, none whats so ever.....injury is the only one and that goes for everyone!Start using common sense, stop using analyst rankings!I like Rice a lot, but 4th or 5th would be too rich for my blood. High risk, high reward though......
is he still returning kicks this year? i'd def swoop him in a return league ppr. he was a nice pick up last season in mine.Got him 7th in a PPR return league. Definately low risk high reward.
Starting back doesn't mean feature back.Whats the risk here?Hes a starting RBIts only a risk if u listen to what cheat sheets or analysts say, plus listening to them is death to a title anyways, how often have they been right!No risk here at all, none whats so ever.....injury is the only one and that goes for everyone!Start using common sense, stop using analyst rankings!I like Rice a lot, but 4th or 5th would be too rich for my blood. High risk, high reward though......
6 team league?tonight in a PPRMcFad 8.01Rice 9.10just to temper the desire to draft him in round five.
No, that's a hell of a night in PPR that I would take any week from any of my RBs.8 receptions 67 yards, 10 carries 32 yards. Bad night for normal scoring. Okay night for PPR leagues.
McFadden in the 8th. I doubt that is representative of the majority of leagues.tonight in a PPRMcFad 8.01Rice 9.10just to temper the desire to draft him in round five.
Yeah I take that back. That's like a 110 yards rushing and a TD. Not bad not bad.No, that's a hell of a night in PPR that I would take any week from any of my RBs.8 receptions 67 yards, 10 carries 32 yards. Bad night for normal scoring. Okay night for PPR leagues.
No thats not the point at all. Why would you want to waste 3 roster spots? The skark move is to get Rice and fill your other 2 roster spots with non-bums. Rice is clearly the feature RB for the Ravens, Willis will spell him occasionally, and McClain is the FB, who may get some goal line carries.I think people are missing the point...you want to secure the ravens running GAME, not just one back. I just got Rice in my 12 team Keep 3 local FBGs draft at the end of the second round (which basically equals 5th round, and I can keep him now if I like). I thought it was early but it is a league with 2 flex positions, .5 PPR for RBs. Everyone "atta boy'ed" me when I got him, but I think the coup for me was when I secured McGahee in the 12th round (basically 15th considering keep 3). We do know Rice is starting, but McGahee rufuses to roll over. Now some may think McClain is the guy to have (to each their own) with Rice, but 5th round is too early IMO, if you do not walk away with who you perceive to be the #2 on that team later in your draft. Worst case scenario for me is Rice does not perform, gets benched and i have the "between the 20s guy" (although McGahee is not bad at the goalline).
I was new here once, too. Why even post if it's something negative?I have been thinking about Rice a lot - if I feel like I could get him in the 7th, I might go wr wr to start the draft. Hard to tell though.6 team league?tonight in a PPRMcFad 8.01Rice 9.10just to temper the desire to draft him in round five.