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Ray Rice just re-instated. He won his appeal. (1 Viewer)

RUSF18 said:
@DVNJr: My latest for @ESPN: Ravens GM Newsome: Rice told Goodell he hit Janay http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=11832947&i=TWT&w=1ek3v
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Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome testified under oath Thursday in the Ray Rice appeal hearing that he heard the former Baltimore running back tell NFL commissioner Roger Goodell during his June 16 disciplinary hearing that he had hit his then-fiancée in a casino hotel elevator, two sources told "Outside the Lines."

... "Outside the Lines" quoted four sources in September who said that Rice had told Goodell he struck Janay -- a claim Goodell has denied, saying that Rice's account to him in the June 16 meeting was "ambiguous." Goodell spent more than two hours testifying Wednesday.

Details of what Rice and his wife testified to Thursday and what Goodell said Wednesday were not released to "Outside the Lines" because of a gag order that Jones imposed. But sources said Newsome backed Rice's previous accounts of what he told Goodell. Goodell spent the majority of his time testifying under cross-examination by outside union attorney Jeffrey Kessler, sources said.

... Also presented during the two-day hearing were dueling sets of notes taken by the union and the league during the June 16 meeting. The union's notes, sources said, clearly state that Rice told Goodell he had hit Janay; the league's notes, sources said, state that Rice used ambiguous words to describe the assault.

... It's unclear when Jones will rule in the case, but sources told "Outside the Lines" that she asked for final briefs to be filed by both sides next week ahead of any decision she will make.
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"I can trust it's a fair process," said Rice's attorney, Peter Ginsberg.
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So briefs next week (pre week 11) so maybe he's set free by week 12? Rice has the added problem of the video making him a pariah in many places where a team might pick him up. But if the Judge rules against Goodell, it will be a serious blow to his authority and image.

 
Rice knew that there was a video of the incident, and had every reason to believe the NFL could get it anytime they wanted it. And he was represented by lawyers who had seen the video and told people it was horrible.

Absolutely no angle for Rice to be lying here and it's not shocking that (so far) the only people backing Goodell's claims are the guys he employs.

 
White Lightning said:
The Newsome testimony makes this very interesting. The NFL is an F-ing Telenovela this year. Ay, dios mio!
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I'm waiting for that guy to appear who would parse every syllable to find a way to explain that Newsome never actually said that Rice told Goodell that he hit her in the elevator, although it was clear as day to everyone else.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
RUSF18 said:
@DVNJr: My latest for @ESPN: Ravens GM Newsome: Rice told Goodell he hit Janay http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=11832947&i=TWT&w=1ek3v
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Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome testified under oath Thursday in the Ray Rice appeal hearing that he heard the former Baltimore running back tell NFL commissioner Roger Goodell during his June 16 disciplinary hearing that he had hit his then-fiancée in a casino hotel elevator, two sources told "Outside the Lines."

... "Outside the Lines" quoted four sources in September who said that Rice had told Goodell he struck Janay -- a claim Goodell has denied, saying that Rice's account to him in the June 16 meeting was "ambiguous." Goodell spent more than two hours testifying Wednesday.

Details of what Rice and his wife testified to Thursday and what Goodell said Wednesday were not released to "Outside the Lines" because of a gag order that Jones imposed. But sources said Newsome backed Rice's previous accounts of what he told Goodell. Goodell spent the majority of his time testifying under cross-examination by outside union attorney Jeffrey Kessler, sources said.

... Also presented during the two-day hearing were dueling sets of notes taken by the union and the league during the June 16 meeting. The union's notes, sources said, clearly state that Rice told Goodell he had hit Janay; the league's notes, sources said, state that Rice used ambiguous words to describe the assault.

... It's unclear when Jones will rule in the case, but sources told "Outside the Lines" that she asked for final briefs to be filed by both sides next week ahead of any decision she will make.
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"I can trust it's a fair process," said Rice's attorney, Peter Ginsberg.
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So briefs next week (pre week 11) so maybe he's set free by week 12? Rice has the added problem of the video making him a pariah in many places where a team might pick him up. But if the Judge rules against Goodell, it will be a serious blow to his authority and image.
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It's true, but it's hard for me to imagine a team really thinking that it would be worth the PR hit for just 4 games, part of which he'd have to be trying to get up on the playbook (though for an RB it's easier). Just hard to imagine a playoff team trying to come together and get on a run throwing that into the mix and I don't really know what the upside would be for a team out of the race.

 
wdcrob said:
Rice knew that there was a video of the incident, and had every reason to believe the NFL could get it anytime they wanted it. And he was represented by lawyers who had seen the video and told people it was horrible.

Absolutely no angle for Rice to be lying here and it's not shocking that (so far) the only people backing Goodell's claims are the guys he employs.
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White Lightning said:
The Newsome testimony makes this very interesting. The NFL is an F-ing Telenovela this year. Ay, dios mio!
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Ozzie Newsome, and IIRC 4 others, have flat out testified that Goodell is FOS. Ozzie Newsome, a respected, HOF player and executive and generally very well respected man, has essentially said that Roger Goodell is flat out lying.

When the judge rules in Rice's favor she will essentially be saying the same thing.

 
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I don't think he ever plays in the NFL again. No team wants the bad PR.

 
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JohnnyU said:
I don't think he ever plays in the NFL again. No team wants the bad PR.
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If he were as talented as his 23 year old self, some team would accept the bad PR as a trade off. But he was starting to decline, and is now a year older and has this PR cloud to boot. Not much upside.

 
Not this year! See AP thread. This guy actually had a stronger case than AP by receiving double punishment for same crime. NFL PR trumps all.

 
Free agent Ray Rice has won his appeal and will be reinstated to the NFL.

He's free to sign with any team. Unfortunately, finding a taker is an even bigger hurdle for Rice than winning his appeal, which was expected. A team interested in the declining 28-year-old (in January) would likely have to embrace a major public relations hit after Rice was suspended for socking his drunken then-fiancee in an elevator. Rice hasn't been effective on the field in quite some time. There's no guarantee he is still capable of helping a team.
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It means he'll continue sitting on his ###, because noone in their right mind wou....

nevermind, it's the NFL

 
He could probably hide out on the Arizona Cardinals roster. News wouldn't reach the rest of us for weeks.

 
Islanders rule said:
What does it mean? ...
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It means two things:

  1. If a player gets a truly independent appeal with a truly independent arbiter, here a federal judge, then he has a real shot at a fair hearing.
  2. Roger Goodell is a flat out liar. Here he was made to testify and he was found uncredible.
Happy to hear of this ruling. And if AP ever had a shot at achieving No. 1 he would probably have a shot at showing No. 2 in his own case.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Islanders rule said:
What does it mean? ...
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It means two things:

  1. If a player gets a truly independent appeal with a truly independent arbiter, here a federal judge, then he has a real shot at a fair hearing.
  2. Roger Goodell is a flat out liar. Here he was made to testify and he was found uncredible.
Happy to hear of this ruling. And if AP ever had a shot at achieving No. 1 he would probably have a shot at showing No. 2 in his own case.
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Because they're both innocent or because Goodell is a liar?

 
Rubi said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Islanders rule said:
What does it mean? ...
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It means two things:

  1. If a player gets a truly independent appeal with a truly independent arbiter, here a federal judge, then he has a real shot at a fair hearing.
  2. Roger Goodell is a flat out liar. Here he was made to testify and he was found uncredible.
Happy to hear of this ruling. And if AP ever had a shot at achieving No. 1 he would probably have a shot at showing No. 2 in his own case.
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Because they're both innocent or because Goodell is a liar?
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As to what, happy at hearing of this ruling? Because Goodell was put on the stand and a player had the chance to independently show Goodell was full of it. Rice definitely isn't innocent.

 
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U.S. District Judge Barbara S. Jones, who heard Rice's appeal earlier this month, concluded in her decision, which was obtained by ESPN investigative reporter Don Van Natta Jr., that Rice did not lie or mislead the NFL.
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Buffaloes said:
I agree that it sheds more light on the appeal process than it does Ray Rice.

What team is going to pay a RB with declining skills, declining speed, and all the baggage (media) that comes with it?

RBs are a dime a dozen and I highly doubt any team makes a move for Rice
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I'd have to think he's done.

But look at what Forsett is doing this year in that Kubiak system, if Rice had managed to to behave like a decent human being that night in AC, what would he have been doing this year at RB?

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Buffaloes said:
I agree that it sheds more light on the appeal process than it does Ray Rice.

What team is going to pay a RB with declining skills, declining speed, and all the baggage (media) that comes with it?

RBs are a dime a dozen and I highly doubt any team makes a move for Rice
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I'd have to think he's done.

But look at what Forsett is doing this year in that Kubiak system, if Rice had managed to to behave like a decent human being that night in AC, what would he have been doing this year at RB?
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I agree. In fact, I drafted Rice as my discount #2 RB assuming Goodell's 2-game suspension was a 2-game suspension. But Forsett's success underscores how devalued Ray Rice-type RBs are now.

 
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People over-rate the general publics attention span.

There were a lot of people who said that Vick would never play again and that if he did there would be huge protests. There ended up being like 5 people with signs outside his first game back.

Teams will kick the tires on him and if they think he can help Rice will be back in the NFL in 2015. He's 27, maybe he lost all his talent at such a young age but doubt it.

I don't think he'll play this season though.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
steveski said:
Bojang0301 said:
Lol AD suspended for year Ray Rice 12 weeks. Way to go Rog.
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AD was being paid all season. He wasn't suspended. Ray Rice got the worse end of this.
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Bottom line is AP is out 15 games, 16 weeks, and his suspension is indefinite pending Goodell personally approving of Peterson' method of child rearing and his assessment of the degree of Peterson's true, personal, internal remorse.
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bottom line is how many many weeks in a year you get paid..period, end of story

 
mnmplayer said:
Not this year! See AP thread. This guy actually had a stronger case than AP by receiving double punishment for same crime. NFL PR trumps all.
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The difference in Rice's case and AP's is that Rice had an independent arbiter and a federal judge at that to hear it.

If Peterson got the same opportunity I think we would see the same result. It will never happen of course.

 
theplayer11 said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
steveski said:
Bojang0301 said:
Lol AD suspended for year Ray Rice 12 weeks. Way to go Rog.
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AD was being paid all season. He wasn't suspended. Ray Rice got the worse end of this.
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Bottom line is AP is out 15 games, 16 weeks, and his suspension is indefinite pending Goodell personally approving of Peterson' method of child rearing and his assessment of the degree of Peterson's true, personal, internal remorse.
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bottom line is how many many weeks in a year you get paid..period, end of story
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Not really, those 9 weeks have real value to Peterson.

 
Janay Rice: My apology followed the Ravens’ suggested scriptPosted by Michael David Smith on November 28, 2014, 4:19 PM EST
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APOne of the many ugly elements of the Ray Ricedomestic violence case was the way the victim, Janay Rice, was treated in some quarters like she deserved blame for the incident. That was exemplified by a press conference hosted by the Ravens in which Janay apologized for her role in the attack, an apology that was promptly trumpeted by the Ravens on Twitter.

The Ravens’ tweet, reading, “Janay Rice says she deeply regrets the role that she played the night of the incident,” became a symbol of the tone deaf way the Ravens and the NFL handled the Rice case in particular and domestic violence generally. Now Janay Rice has come forward to say it was the Ravens who scripted the apology in the first place.

Janay Rice and ESPN’s Jemele Hill have collaborated on a first-person account of Janay’s perspective of everything that has transpired since the night Ray assaulted her. In that first-person account, Rice says that the Ravens didn’t make her say anything she didn’t believe, but the Ravens did suggest a script, and that when she was apologizing for her role, she was following the Ravens’ suggestion.

“When it was my turn to speak, I said I regretted my role in the incident,” Janay Rice says. “I know some people disagreed with me publicly apologizing. I’m not saying that what Ray did wasn’t wrong. He and I both know it was wrong. It’s been made clear to him that it was wrong. But at the same time, who am I to put my hands on somebody? I had already apologized to Ray, and I felt that I should take responsibility for what I did. Even though this followed the Ravens’ suggested script, I owned my words.”

Janay Rice also said the press conference was something the Ravens wanted, although she also was glad that people could get an image of her other than the only one they had, which was that of her being dragged out of an elevator by Ray.

“The Ravens just said it was something that they felt we should do,” Janay Rice says of the press conference.

That doesn’t speak well of the Ravens. If Janay Rice wanted to speak about this case, she should have been made to feel free to do so in whatever setting she wished. She should not have been pressured by the Ravens to give a press conference at their headquarters, in which they suggested the script.
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Maybe the NFL should write a letter to itself on how to be better as a league and should be suspended until April 15th. The league has not shown that it is sorry publicly with remorse or understands what it is doing is wrong.

Sound familiar? The league and this piece of trash commish are a disgrace from a front office stand point. Hypocrites does not begin to explain this league. I'm not defending Rice, but for a league to have such harsh punishments for things it almost approved of and ignored and then let that player out to dry after it showed support is what makes any decision the league and the commish makes regarding any punishment laughable.

Fine Lynch 100k for not talking to media vultures and Jimmy Graham 30k for dunking on the posts but fine Burfict very little for trying to break ankles? The list goes on as to how this commish is out of his depth.

 
Jerry Curl said:
Janay Rice: My apology followed the Ravens’ suggested scriptPosted by Michael David Smith on November 28, 2014, 4:19 PM EST
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APOne of the many ugly elements of the Ray Ricedomestic violence case was the way the victim, Janay Rice, was treated in some quarters like she deserved blame for the incident. That was exemplified by a press conference hosted by the Ravens in which Janay apologized for her role in the attack, an apology that was promptly trumpeted by the Ravens on Twitter.

The Ravens’ tweet, reading, “Janay Rice says she deeply regrets the role that she played the night of the incident,” became a symbol of the tone deaf way the Ravens and the NFL handled the Rice case in particular and domestic violence generally. Now Janay Rice has come forward to say it was the Ravens who scripted the apology in the first place.

Janay Rice and ESPN’s Jemele Hill have collaborated on a first-person account of Janay’s perspective of everything that has transpired since the night Ray assaulted her. In that first-person account, Rice says that the Ravens didn’t make her say anything she didn’t believe, but the Ravens did suggest a script, and that when she was apologizing for her role, she was following the Ravens’ suggestion.

“When it was my turn to speak, I said I regretted my role in the incident,” Janay Rice says. “I know some people disagreed with me publicly apologizing. I’m not saying that what Ray did wasn’t wrong. He and I both know it was wrong. It’s been made clear to him that it was wrong. But at the same time, who am I to put my hands on somebody? I had already apologized to Ray, and I felt that I should take responsibility for what I did. Even though this followed the Ravens’ suggested script, I owned my words.”

Janay Rice also said the press conference was something the Ravens wanted, although she also was glad that people could get an image of her other than the only one they had, which was that of her being dragged out of an elevator by Ray.

“The Ravens just said it was something that they felt we should do,” Janay Rice says of the press conference.

That doesn’t speak well of the Ravens. If Janay Rice wanted to speak about this case, she should have been made to feel free to do so in whatever setting she wished. She should not have been pressured by the Ravens to give a press conference at their headquarters, in which they suggested the script.
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Maybe the NFL should write a letter to itself on how to be better as a league and should be suspended until April 15th. The league has not shown that it is sorry publicly with remorse or understands what it is doing is wrong.

Sound familiar? The league and this piece of trash commish are a disgrace from a front office stand point. Hypocrites does not begin to explain this league. I'm not defending Rice, but for a league to have such harsh punishments for things it almost approved of and ignored and then let that player out to dry after it showed support is what makes any decision the league and the commish makes regarding any punishment laughable.

Fine Lynch 100k for not talking to media vultures and Jimmy Graham 30k for dunking on the posts but fine Burfict very little for trying to break ankles? The list goes on as to how this commish is out of his depth.
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Those fines are so high because those guys are all repeat offenders. Do you honestly think that on first offense, ignoring the media is more of a fine then a dirty hit/play? Or are you just trying to be ignorant to prove a point?

 
steveski said:
Jerry Curl said:
Janay Rice: My apology followed the Ravens’ suggested scriptPosted by Michael David Smith on November 28, 2014, 4:19 PM EST
428c18d8a6b67eb3e2d28affe820c446.jpeg
APOne of the many ugly elements of the Ray Ricedomestic violence case was the way the victim, Janay Rice, was treated in some quarters like she deserved blame for the incident. That was exemplified by a press conference hosted by the Ravens in which Janay apologized for her role in the attack, an apology that was promptly trumpeted by the Ravens on Twitter.

The Ravens’ tweet, reading, “Janay Rice says she deeply regrets the role that she played the night of the incident,” became a symbol of the tone deaf way the Ravens and the NFL handled the Rice case in particular and domestic violence generally. Now Janay Rice has come forward to say it was the Ravens who scripted the apology in the first place.

Janay Rice and ESPN’s Jemele Hill have collaborated on a first-person account of Janay’s perspective of everything that has transpired since the night Ray assaulted her. In that first-person account, Rice says that the Ravens didn’t make her say anything she didn’t believe, but the Ravens did suggest a script, and that when she was apologizing for her role, she was following the Ravens’ suggestion.

“When it was my turn to speak, I said I regretted my role in the incident,” Janay Rice says. “I know some people disagreed with me publicly apologizing. I’m not saying that what Ray did wasn’t wrong. He and I both know it was wrong. It’s been made clear to him that it was wrong. But at the same time, who am I to put my hands on somebody? I had already apologized to Ray, and I felt that I should take responsibility for what I did. Even though this followed the Ravens’ suggested script, I owned my words.”

Janay Rice also said the press conference was something the Ravens wanted, although she also was glad that people could get an image of her other than the only one they had, which was that of her being dragged out of an elevator by Ray.

“The Ravens just said it was something that they felt we should do,” Janay Rice says of the press conference.

That doesn’t speak well of the Ravens. If Janay Rice wanted to speak about this case, she should have been made to feel free to do so in whatever setting she wished. She should not have been pressured by the Ravens to give a press conference at their headquarters, in which they suggested the script.
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Maybe the NFL should write a letter to itself on how to be better as a league and should be suspended until April 15th. The league has not shown that it is sorry publicly with remorse or understands what it is doing is wrong.

Sound familiar? The league and this piece of trash commish are a disgrace from a front office stand point. Hypocrites does not begin to explain this league. I'm not defending Rice, but for a league to have such harsh punishments for things it almost approved of and ignored and then let that player out to dry after it showed support is what makes any decision the league and the commish makes regarding any punishment laughable.

Fine Lynch 100k for not talking to media vultures and Jimmy Graham 30k for dunking on the posts but fine Burfict very little for trying to break ankles? The list goes on as to how this commish is out of his depth.
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Those fines are so high because those guys are all repeat offenders. Do you honestly think that on first offense, ignoring the media is more of a fine then a dirty hit/play? Or are you just trying to be ignorant to prove a point?
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How did you interpret from what I said me thinking that? My point is the hypocrisy of the league.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
mnmplayer said:
Not this year! See AP thread. This guy actually had a stronger case than AP by receiving double punishment for same crime. NFL PR trumps all.
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The difference in Rice's case and AP's is that Rice had an independent arbiter and a federal judge at that to hear it.

If Peterson got the same opportunity I think we would see the same result. It will never happen of course.
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Good point, but will a team sign him this year? Essentially both players are gone for 2014.

 
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