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Ray Rice's Domestic Abuse Presser Sends Wrong Message (2 Viewers)

So TMZ is saying the police and Rice's attorneys both had the tape, that the NFL asked the police for all info knowing they wouldn't give them

anything in a pending investigation, and that the

NFL then never bothered asked the casino or Rice's attorney for the tape.

All the NFL depended on was Rice's testimony

and that of Rice's now wife with Rice in the room.

Seems like willful blindness there.
You expect rice to give the tape to the nfl if it asked for it?
I wouldn't expect him to give up the tape, but not giving it up would be a significant red flag.

 
So TMZ is saying the police and Rice's attorneys both had the tape, that the NFL asked the police for all info knowing they wouldn't give them

anything in a pending investigation, and that the

NFL then never bothered asked the casino or Rice's attorney for the tape.

All the NFL depended on was Rice's testimony

and that of Rice's now wife with Rice in the room.

Seems like willful blindness there.
You expect rice to give the tape to the nfl if it asked for it?
I expect that the NFL conduct policy would require that he cooperate with any investigation into violations of the conduct policy.

 
So TMZ is saying the police and Rice's attorneys both had the tape, that the NFL asked the police for all info knowing they wouldn't give them

anything in a pending investigation, and that the

NFL then never bothered asked the casino or Rice's attorney for the tape.

All the NFL depended on was Rice's testimony

and that of Rice's now wife with Rice in the room.

Seems like willful blindness there.
You expect rice to give the tape to the nfl if it asked for it?
I'm pretty sure they would have had to (or faced further suspension)...if the NFL had asked.

 
So TMZ is saying the police and Rice's attorneys both had the tape, that the NFL asked the police for all info knowing they wouldn't give them

anything in a pending investigation, and that the

NFL then never bothered asked the casino or Rice's attorney for the tape.

All the NFL depended on was Rice's testimony

and that of Rice's now wife with Rice in the room.

Seems like willful blindness there.
Wait, that's the big news? That both the police and rice had the tape? Of course they both had the tape - there was a pending criminal case and the tape would have been exhibit 1. That said, neither of those parties would have had any interest in freely handing the tape over

to the nfl at that point. The nfl could have done a

foia request for it but that takes numerous months. So, instead, they interviewed the victim and gave the same weight to rice as a first time offender that the state did by giving him

diversion.

What people also need to realize is that cases like rice's get handled in handled by the dozens in every lower level criminal court docket in this country (I suppose the unconscious part could ratchet the level of offense up in some jurisdictions). And, in very similar cases where

the defendant has no priors and the victim was advocating for the defendant, that defendant will oftentimes get out of it with the proverbial slap on the wrist and his job in tact.

 
I don't think Goodell is an idiot. I think he is a very good sports commissioner overall. I don't think he handled this situation well, however, but not badly enough to get fired over it, because there's no evidence he watched the video or even was aware of it before yesterday.

The discipline of players is only one small aspect of Goodell's job, and it's one where his hands are the most tied, not only due to legal constraints, but because of conflicting pressures by the owners and the players' union. I have a feeling that much of the NFL's failure in this specific instance is due to systemic rules which they feel compelled to follow in such situations, rather than a deliberate coverup.

 
Looks like they're gonna talk about the NFL mishandling of the situation on tonight's TMZ.
Nothing on the segment indicating that the NFL saw the video before today (other than it seems far-fetched that they didn't).
[SIZE=10.5pt]Harvin Levin, of TMZ, said TMZ is releasing the story tomorrow morning.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]According to this story on Yahoo, TMZ is alleging the NFL went out of their way not to view the video. Bad, but not in the same ballpark as viewing the video and saying they didn't. [/SIZE]
Yeah, some dudes did that with that Holocaust thing

 
I don't think Goodell is an idiot. I think he is a very good sports commissioner overall. I don't think he handled this situation well, however, but not badly enough to get fired over it, because there's no evidence he watched the video or even was aware of it before yesterday.
I don't think he's an idiot either, but there's no "innocent" explanation of how the Rice situation was handled. Either Goodell saw the tape and lied about it (he's evil) or he didn't bother to get a copy and watch it (he's incompetent). In other words, he clearly mis-handled this, and whether he handled it dishonestly or incompetently is left to interpretation.

 
I don't think Goodell is an idiot. I think he is a very good sports commissioner overall. I don't think he handled this situation well, however, but not badly enough to get fired over it, because there's no evidence he watched the video or even was aware of it before yesterday.

The discipline of players is only one small aspect of Goodell's job, and it's one where his hands are the most tied, not only due to legal constraints, but because of conflicting pressures by the owners and the players' union. I have a feeling that much of the NFL's failure in this specific instance is due to systemic rules which they feel compelled to follow in such situations, rather than a deliberate coverup.
All that may be true, but player discipline, especially in this "rape culture/domestic abuse" area is by far the most visible to the non-sports fan. NFL players can wear pink from head to toe for the rest of the season and this issue with Rice and others will still be what resonates with women and the non-sports media.

 
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I don't think Goodell is an idiot. I think he is a very good sports commissioner overall. I don't think he handled this situation well, however, but not badly enough to get fired over it, because there's no evidence he watched the video or even was aware of it before yesterday.

The discipline of players is only one small aspect of Goodell's job, and it's one where his hands are the most tied, not only due to legal constraints, but because of conflicting pressures by the owners and the players' union. I have a feeling that much of the NFL's failure in this specific instance is due to systemic rules which they feel compelled to follow in such situations, rather than a deliberate coverup.
What makes you think they followed any systemic rules here. It certainly seems like Goodell's been making this up as he's been going along.

And please tell me what systemic rules would ever allow the accuser to be in the same interview room with the victim when the NFL was investigating.

I think the more likely explanation is the NFL just didn't really care about this issue in general and thought it would go away.

 
Then you must also believe Goodell is an idiot.
Not necessarily -- I just believe he just did an idiotic thing when backed into a corner. People will often do the retrospectively dumb thing if they can convince themselves they will never face repercussions.

 
I don't think Goodell is an idiot. I think he is a very good sports commissioner overall. I don't think he handled this situation well, however, but not badly enough to get fired over it, because there's no evidence he watched the video or even was aware of it before yesterday.

The discipline of players is only one small aspect of Goodell's job, and it's one where his hands are the most tied, not only due to legal constraints, but because of conflicting pressures by the owners and the players' union. I have a feeling that much of the NFL's failure in this specific instance is due to systemic rules which they feel compelled to follow in such situations, rather than a deliberate coverup.
What makes you think they followed any systemic rules here. It certainly seems like Goodell's been making this up as he's been going along.

And please tell me what systemic rules would ever allow the accuser to be in the same interview room with the victim when the NFL was investigating.

I think the more likely explanation is the NFL just didn't really care about this issue in general and thought it would go away.
My assumption is not based on any inside knowledge of what happens inside the NFL executive offices, but it IS based on history of similar scandals and common sense, both of which tell us that bureaucratic error, adherence of rules which don't always apply, and general incompetence at lower levels are much more the likely cause rather than deliberate cover up. This fact, however, does not stop most people from assuming deliberate cover up every time.
 
Wait, that's the big news? That both the police and rice had the tape? Of course they both had the tape - there was a pending criminal case and the tape would have been exhibit 1.
Question: since the video was presented as evidence during a court case, could the league have submitted a FOIA request for it?

EDIT: Never mind ... didn't read your whole post.

 
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I don't think Goodell is an idiot. I think he is a very good sports commissioner overall. I don't think he handled this situation well, however, but not badly enough to get fired over it, because there's no evidence he watched the video or even was aware of it before yesterday.

The discipline of players is only one small aspect of Goodell's job, and it's one where his hands are the most tied, not only due to legal constraints, but because of conflicting pressures by the owners and the players' union. I have a feeling that much of the NFL's failure in this specific instance is due to systemic rules which they feel compelled to follow in such situations, rather than a deliberate coverup.
What makes you think they followed any systemic rules here. It certainly seems like Goodell's been making this up as he's been going along.

And please tell me what systemic rules would ever allow the accuser to be in the same interview room with the victim when the NFL was investigating.

I think the more likely explanation is the NFL just didn't really care about this issue in general and thought it would go away.
My assumption is not based on any inside knowledge of what happens inside the NFL executive offices, but it IS based on history of similar scandals and common sense, both of which tell us that bureaucratic error, adherence of rules which don't always apply, and general incompetence at lower levels are much more the likely cause rather than deliberate cover up. This fact, however, does not stop most people from assuming deliberate cover up every time.
So now Goodell's a bureaucrat wedded to following his own rules when before the Rice incident he was accused of making every punishment up as he went along. Got it.

 
What people also need to realize is that cases like rice's get handled in handled by the dozens in every lower level criminal court docket in this country (I suppose the unconscious part could ratchet the level of offense up in some jurisdictions). And, in very similar cases wherethe defendant has no priors and the victim was advocating for the defendant, that defendant will oftentimes get out of it with the proverbial slap on the wrist and his job in tact.
To whom much is given, much is expected. What you're describing is not a sufficient standard for a professional athlete.

You know you'd get disbarred for a DUI? Or how a Navy Seal gets booted for a drug arrest? That's a sufficient standard.

 
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I don't think Goodell is an idiot. I think he is a very good sports commissioner overall. I don't think he handled this situation well, however, but not badly enough to get fired over it, because there's no evidence he watched the video or even was aware of it before yesterday.

The discipline of players is only one small aspect of Goodell's job, and it's one where his hands are the most tied, not only due to legal constraints, but because of conflicting pressures by the owners and the players' union. I have a feeling that much of the NFL's failure in this specific instance is due to systemic rules which they feel compelled to follow in such situations, rather than a deliberate coverup.
What makes you think they followed any systemic rules here. It certainly seems like Goodell's been making this up as he's been going along.

And please tell me what systemic rules would ever allow the accuser to be in the same interview room with the victim when the NFL was investigating.

I think the more likely explanation is the NFL just didn't really care about this issue in general and thought it would go away.
My assumption is not based on any inside knowledge of what happens inside the NFL executive offices, but it IS based on history of similar scandals and common sense, both of which tell us that bureaucratic error, adherence of rules which don't always apply, and general incompetence at lower levels are much more the likely cause rather than deliberate cover up. This fact, however, does not stop most people from assuming deliberate cover up every time.
So now Goodell's a bureaucrat wedded to following his own rules when before the Rice incident he was accused of making every punishment up as he went along. Got it.
i never made that accusation. Whoever made it was being a little foolish IMO. I think it's a reasonable assumption that Goodell, before making these decisions, is presented with not only with evidence but detailed recommendations from assistants, lawyers, union representatives, media experts, public relations guys, etc. Making it up as he goes along? Hardly,
 
I think it's a reasonable assumption that Goodell, before making these decisions, is presented with not only with evidence but detailed recommendations from assistants, lawyers, union representatives, media experts, public relations guys, etc. Making it up as he goes along? Hardly,
A good example of how a multitude of considered advice can't stave off every mistake in judgement.

 
I don't think Goodell is an idiot. I think he is a very good sports commissioner overall. I don't think he handled this situation well, however, but not badly enough to get fired over it, because there's no evidence he watched the video or even was aware of it before yesterday.

The discipline of players is only one small aspect of Goodell's job, and it's one where his hands are the most tied, not only due to legal constraints, but because of conflicting pressures by the owners and the players' union. I have a feeling that much of the NFL's failure in this specific instance is due to systemic rules which they feel compelled to follow in such situations, rather than a deliberate coverup.
All that may be true, but player discipline, especially in this "rape culture/domestic abuse" area is by far the most visible to the non-sports fan. NFL players can wear pink from head to toe for the rest of the season and this issue with Rice and others will still be what resonates with women and the non-sports media.
It's like gay marriage. 20 years ago: ewwwwww, gays want to get married? Political pressures have slowly changed the public mindset. Domestic violence used to be treated as something between a man and his wife and none of anyone else's business. Big institutions like the NFL are the slowest to come around to new ways of treating these matters.
 
What people also need to realize is that cases like rice's get handled in handled by the dozens in every lower level criminal court docket in this country (I suppose the unconscious part could ratchet the level of offense up in some jurisdictions). And, in very similar cases wherethe defendant has no priors and the victim was advocating for the defendant, that defendant will oftentimes get out of it with the proverbial slap on the wrist and his job in tact.
To whom much is given, much is expected. What you're describing is not a sufficient standard for a professional athlete.

You know you'd get disbarred for a DUI? Or how a Navy Seal gets booted for a drug arrest? That's a sufficient standard.
Who gets to make these rules?

I have a pretty different "sufficient standard" for professional athletes than what you've outlined here.

 
I don't think Goodell is an idiot. I think he is a very good sports commissioner overall. I don't think he handled this situation well, however, but not badly enough to get fired over it, because there's no evidence he watched the video or even was aware of it before yesterday.

The discipline of players is only one small aspect of Goodell's job, and it's one where his hands are the most tied, not only due to legal constraints, but because of conflicting pressures by the owners and the players' union. I have a feeling that much of the NFL's failure in this specific instance is due to systemic rules which they feel compelled to follow in such situations, rather than a deliberate coverup.
What makes you think they followed any systemic rules here. It certainly seems like Goodell's been making this up as he's been going along.

And please tell me what systemic rules would ever allow the accuser to be in the same interview room with the victim when the NFL was investigating.

I think the more likely explanation is the NFL just didn't really care about this issue in general and thought it would go away.
My assumption is not based on any inside knowledge of what happens inside the NFL executive offices, but it IS based on history of similar scandals and common sense, both of which tell us that bureaucratic error, adherence of rules which don't always apply, and general incompetence at lower levels are much more the likely cause rather than deliberate cover up. This fact, however, does not stop most people from assuming deliberate cover up every time.
So now Goodell's a bureaucrat wedded to following his own rules when before the Rice incident he was accused of making every punishment up as he went along. Got it.
i never made that accusation. Whoever made it was being a little foolish IMO. I think it's a reasonable assumption that Goodell, before making these decisions, is presented with not only with evidence but detailed recommendations from assistants, lawyers, union representatives, media experts, public relations guys, etc. Making it up as he goes along? Hardly,
The making it up as he goes along thing started with one of the talking heads on ESPN last night. Point being, Rice gets two games, there is public backlash, he changes the rule so that a first time offender gets 6 weeks, then the video comes out and he bans Rice indefinitely. While no one can argue with an indefinite ban given what's on that video, Goodell's process here obviously appears sloppy and highly subjective to public pressures rather than any rigid set of internal guidelines.
 
Sure, public pressure obviously changed his decisions after the fact . But I was referring to the initial decision which led to a 2 game suspension.

 
Besides Goodell/NFL, doesn't the Ravens ownership have a horse in this race also? They were the employer. Shouldn't they be facing the same criticism as Goodell?

Janay's instagram quote today. Seems she is blaming the media for killing the cash cow. Everyone has their definition of love: "we will continue to grow and show the world what real love is!" ???

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/national/janay-rice-posts-instagram-husbands-release-horrib/nhJcL/

"I woke up this morning feeling like I had a horrible nightmare, feeling like I'm mourning the death of my closest friend. But to have to accept the fact that it's reality is a nightmare in itself. No one knows the pain that the media & unwanted options from the public has caused my family. To make us relive a moment in our lives that we regret every day is a horrible thing. To take something away from the man I love that he has worked his ### of for all his life just to gain ratings is horrific. THIS IS OUR LIFE! What don't you all get. If your intentions were to hurt us, embarrass us, make us feel alone, take all happiness away, you've succeeded on so many levels. Just know we will continue to grow & show the world what real love is! Ravensnation we love you!"
 
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Besides Godell/NFL, doesn't the Ravens ownership have a horse in this race also? They were the employer.

Janay's instagram quote today. Seems she is blaming the media for killing the cash cow. Everyone has their definition of love: "we will continue to grow and show the world what real love is!" ???

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/national/janay-rice-posts-instagram-husbands-release-horrib/nhJcL/

"I woke up this morning feeling like I had a horrible nightmare, feeling like I'm mourning the death of my closest friend. But to have to accept the fact that it's reality is a nightmare in itself. No one knows the pain that the media & unwanted options from the public has caused my family. To make us relive a moment in our lives that we regret every day is a horrible thing. To take something away from the man I love that he has worked his ### of for all his life just to gain ratings is horrific. THIS IS OUR LIFE! What don't you all get. If your intentions were to hurt us, embarrass us, make us feel alone, take all happiness away, you've succeeded on so many levels. Just know we will continue to grow & show the world what real love is! Ravensnation we love you!"
90% chance they're divorced within 3 years IMO.
 
I don't think Goodell is an idiot. I think he is a very good sports commissioner overall. I don't think he handled this situation well, however, but not badly enough to get fired over it, because there's no evidence he watched the video or even was aware of it before yesterday.

The discipline of players is only one small aspect of Goodell's job, and it's one where his hands are the most tied, not only due to legal constraints, but because of conflicting pressures by the owners and the players' union. I have a feeling that much of the NFL's failure in this specific instance is due to systemic rules which they feel compelled to follow in such situations, rather than a deliberate coverup.
What makes you think they followed any systemic rules here. It certainly seems like Goodell's been making this up as he's been going along.

And please tell me what systemic rules would ever allow the accuser to be in the same interview room with the victim when the NFL was investigating.

I think the more likely explanation is the NFL just didn't really care about this issue in general and thought it would go away.
My assumption is not based on any inside knowledge of what happens inside the NFL executive offices, but it IS based on history of similar scandals and common sense, both of which tell us that bureaucratic error, adherence of rules which don't always apply, and general incompetence at lower levels are much more the likely cause rather than deliberate cover up. This fact, however, does not stop most people from assuming deliberate cover up every time.
So now Goodell's a bureaucrat wedded to following his own rules when before the Rice incident he was accused of making every punishment up as he went along. Got it.
i never made that accusation. Whoever made it was being a little foolish IMO. I think it's a reasonable assumption that Goodell, before making these decisions, is presented with not only with evidence but detailed recommendations from assistants, lawyers, union representatives, media experts, public relations guys, etc. Making it up as he goes along? Hardly,
The making it up as he goes along thing started with one of the talking heads on ESPN last night. Point being, Rice gets two games, there is public backlash, he changes the rule so that a first time offender gets 6 weeks, then the video comes out and he bans Rice indefinitely. While no one can argue with an indefinite ban given what's on that video, Goodell's process here obviously appears sloppy and highly subjective to public pressures rather than any rigid set of internal guidelines.
The making it up as he goes along didn't start last night, but has been a recurring subplot over the past year or two and has been gaining momentum in the media for awhile. There's a whole host of punishments he's meted out for various issues that where the punishment seemingly was made up. LeBatard's been hammering it on his radio show for awhile and Simmons has referenced it in the past as well. Granted both are ESPN employees, but it didn't start last night.

 
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@johnbreech: Looks like TMZ is going for Roger Goodell next. Harvey Levin today, "When you wake up tomorrow, you will see what the NFL didn't do."

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I have a feelng this will cost Goodell his job.
I dont Twitter......is this source legit?
Yea it's all over twitter now.I hope it's a video of Goodell watching the Rice video in May.

Edit: email or phone conversation works too and is much more likely.
I doubt Goodell watched the Rice video. I am close to 100% sure his investigators did.
Totally agree. Goodell and the NFL are being very careful saying the NFL itself didn't see it, but that still leaves people outside investigators to see it.
With the Billions that the NFL has, hiring investigators that wouldn't even ask for other tapes would be so pathetically negligent at doing ones job, that would almost be a fireable offense in itself.

 
Who gets to make these rules?

I have a pretty different "sufficient standard" for professional athletes than what you've outlined here.
Doesn't matter ... it's just the way I think things should be. The general run of sports fandom doesn't care, so whatever.

 
Besides Goodell/NFL, doesn't the Ravens ownership have a horse in this race also? They were the employer. Shouldn't they be facing the same criticism as Goodell?
:goodposting:

The Ravens organization is getting something of a pass here.
While I generally agree, it would make sense that the leagues investigation would negate the need for the Ravens to conduct one. We really don't know what they knew other than the logical assumption that a passed out wife that's dropped onto the floor like a sack of potatoes should be treated with a bit more veracity than 2 games and whateva

 
Besides Goodell/NFL, doesn't the Ravens ownership have a horse in this race also? They were the employer. Shouldn't they be facing the same criticism as Goodell?

Janay's instagram quote today. Seems she is blaming the media for killing the cash cow. Everyone has their definition of love: "we will continue to grow and show the world what real love is!" ???

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/national/janay-rice-posts-instagram-husbands-release-horrib/nhJcL/

"I woke up this morning feeling like I had a horrible nightmare, feeling like I'm mourning the death of my closest friend. But to have to accept the fact that it's reality is a nightmare in itself. No one knows the pain that the media & unwanted options from the public has caused my family. To make us relive a moment in our lives that we regret every day is a horrible thing. To take something away from the man I love that he has worked his ### of for all his life just to gain ratings is horrific. THIS IS OUR LIFE! What don't you all get. If your intentions were to hurt us, embarrass us, make us feel alone, take all happiness away, you've succeeded on so many levels. Just know we will continue to grow & show the world what real love is! Ravensnation we love you!"
There is no greater love than that expressed with a nice right hook.

 
Sure, public pressure obviously changed his decisions after the fact . But I was referring to the initial decision which led to a 2 game suspension.
I think the team lobbied heavily on his behalf based on his model behavior and all his community work before this happened. Goodell didn't anticipate the initial backlash for the 2 games, then certainly didn't foresee yesterday's events. It all looks sloppy in retrospect but I tend to agree with you that he's done a solid job overall. I don't envision his job even close to being jeopardized.
 
Who gets to make these rules?

I have a pretty different "sufficient standard" for professional athletes than what you've outlined here.
Doesn't matter ... it's just the way I think things should be. The general run of sports fandom doesn't care, so whatever.
The huge majority of sports fans are on your side. NFL fans want the league to crack the whip on its labor force.

Which is a little odd if you just think about it. We like watching the players play. But in labor negotiations and other disputes, we generally root for the guys with all the power.

 
Judging by the ESPN talking heads this morning, he's done. Mike and Mike directly asked the NFLs Birch if they saw the video 2 months ago and he declined to answer. So the NFL knew it was out there. Just disgusting.
I don't believe the NFL's account at all. I believe Goodell himself saw the full video very early on, and has since willfully participated in a cover-up.
Then you must also believe Goodell is an idiot.
Do you think Nixon was an idiot?
 
Besides Goodell/NFL, doesn't the Ravens ownership have a horse in this race also? They were the employer. Shouldn't they be facing the same criticism as Goodell?

Janay's instagram quote today. Seems she is blaming the media for killing the cash cow. Everyone has their definition of love: "we will continue to grow and show the world what real love is!" ???

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/national/janay-rice-posts-instagram-husbands-release-horrib/nhJcL/

"I woke up this morning feeling like I had a horrible nightmare, feeling like I'm mourning the death of my closest friend. But to have to accept the fact that it's reality is a nightmare in itself. No one knows the pain that the media & unwanted options from the public has caused my family. To make us relive a moment in our lives that we regret every day is a horrible thing. To take something away from the man I love that he has worked his ### of for all his life just to gain ratings is horrific. THIS IS OUR LIFE! What don't you all get. If your intentions were to hurt us, embarrass us, make us feel alone, take all happiness away, you've succeeded on so many levels. Just know we will continue to grow & show the world what real love is! Ravensnation we love you!"
There is no greater love than that expressed with a nice right hook.
If I'm not mistaken, it was a Gerry Cooney-like left hook.

 
Who gets to make these rules?

I have a pretty different "sufficient standard" for professional athletes than what you've outlined here.
Doesn't matter ... it's just the way I think things should be. The general run of sports fandom doesn't care, so whatever.
The huge majority of sports fans are on your side. NFL fans want the league to crack the whip on its labor force.

Which is a little odd if you just think about it. We like watching the players play. But in labor negotiations and other disputes, we generally root for the guys with all the power.
What might be even odder is that sports unions, from my best understanding, are generally advocating for freer labor supply markets (until, of course, a strike comes) than ownership, which is the complete opposite of real life.

 
Sure, public pressure obviously changed his decisions after the fact . But I was referring to the initial decision which led to a 2 game suspension.
I think the team lobbied heavily on his behalf based on his model behavior and all his community work before this happened. Goodell didn't anticipate the initial backlash for the 2 games, then certainly didn't foresee yesterday's events. It all looks sloppy in retrospect but I tend to agree with you that he's done a solid job overall. I don't envision his job even close to being jeopardized.
If it's ever proved the NFL had access to the tape that was released yesterday he's gone.

 
I don't understand how tmz sports got th tape several months after the incident but the nfl couldn't at the time. Where was this tape/recording all this time? Who released it? A disgruntled Bernard Pierce fantasy owner or relative?

 
Besides Goodell/NFL, doesn't the Ravens ownership have a horse in this race also? They were the employer. Shouldn't they be facing the same criticism as Goodell?

Janay's instagram quote today. Seems she is blaming the media for killing the cash cow. Everyone has their definition of love: "we will continue to grow and show the world what real love is!" ???

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/national/janay-rice-posts-instagram-husbands-release-horrib/nhJcL/

"I woke up this morning feeling like I had a horrible nightmare, feeling like I'm mourning the death of my closest friend. But to have to accept the fact that it's reality is a nightmare in itself. No one knows the pain that the media & unwanted options from the public has caused my family. To make us relive a moment in our lives that we regret every day is a horrible thing. To take something away from the man I love that he has worked his ### of for all his life just to gain ratings is horrific. THIS IS OUR LIFE! What don't you all get. If your intentions were to hurt us, embarrass us, make us feel alone, take all happiness away, you've succeeded on so many levels. Just know we will continue to grow & show the world what real love is! Ravensnation we love you!"
I find this fascinating. The woman shown unconscious in the video, the victim everyone is championing, is making this statement on her abuser's behalf. What does it mean?

1. The two of them have made great strides in therapy, Rice has taken full responsibility and is committed to being a better husband and father.

2. She is delusional. Ray still explodes with rage every so often, but that's just Ray. It's not everyone's idea of a perfect marriage, but we make it work. In other words, just playing out the stereotypical abusive relationship -- angry outbursts, violent attacks, tearful apologies, jewelry, promises to never do it again, rinse, repeat.

3. She will accept the occasional beating if it means a luxurious lifestyle. Plus all that money is providing for their kids' future. She's taking one for the team for the greater good.

4. Ray wrote that and Janay will go along with it if she knows what's good for her.

 
Goodell isn't getting fired. That's a bit much to expect.

Really the major upside here is the NFL and other scumbag organizations and leagues are finding out they just can't hide their dirty laundry anymore. They have to be more open and accountable for these actions they are taking, because there are people who don't need their money and they are going to bring all this stuff to the surface.

Never thought I would say this, but GB TMZ.
Well someone(s) at the NFL is getting fired over the handling of this.

In the grand scheme, the NFL owners' problem going forward is that Goodell has now lost all credibility with the media and fans. Every action he takes (since he's the de facto king) will now be questioned and scrutinized. Media (or more precisely TMZ, Deadspin, etc.) will continue to hammer him at every turn. On concussions, on PED use, on the Redskins, etc the media will be even more aggressive in searching for what the NFL knows and when they knew it (especially on the concussion issue). That's the bigger problem.

Goodell's a liability for NFL owners now. He's can no longer run interference and have the media lap it up with relative impunity (which is what happened with Ray Rice). You don't think that matters to Snyder or Richardson (I'm sure the Hardy thing was getting swept away as well) or Ross?
I think this is right. Look at how much cred TMZ is getting for this. Media outlets are smelling blood and wanting to be the next in line to cast a stone at the NFL. I won't be surprised if we start hearing a lot more about how insincere the NFL has been regarding other big issues.

 
Besides Goodell/NFL, doesn't the Ravens ownership have a horse in this race also? They were the employer. Shouldn't they be facing the same criticism as Goodell?
:goodposting:

The Ravens organization is getting something of a pass here.
:yes: They absolutely are. It was pretty ridiculous that they sent out Harbaugh by himself last night at the presser. Where was the owner, the GM??
:goodposting:

Kraft and Belichick were both in front of the cameras when all of the Hernandez stuff went down, IIRC.

 
I don't understand how tmz sports got th tape several months after the incident but the nfl couldn't at the time. Where was this tape/recording all this time? Who released it? A disgruntled Bernard Pierce fantasy owner or relative?
Ray Rice and his lawyer had a copy of the video the entire time. You'd think that Goodell could have asked Rice for a copy if he really wanted to see it.
 
Besides Goodell/NFL, doesn't the Ravens ownership have a horse in this race also? They were the employer. Shouldn't they be facing the same criticism as Goodell?

Janay's instagram quote today. Seems she is blaming the media for killing the cash cow. Everyone has their definition of love: "we will continue to grow and show the world what real love is!" ???

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/national/janay-rice-posts-instagram-husbands-release-horrib/nhJcL/

"I woke up this morning feeling like I had a horrible nightmare, feeling like I'm mourning the death of my closest friend. But to have to accept the fact that it's reality is a nightmare in itself. No one knows the pain that the media & unwanted options from the public has caused my family. To make us relive a moment in our lives that we regret every day is a horrible thing. To take something away from the man I love that he has worked his ### of for all his life just to gain ratings is horrific. THIS IS OUR LIFE! What don't you all get. If your intentions were to hurt us, embarrass us, make us feel alone, take all happiness away, you've succeeded on so many levels. Just know we will continue to grow & show the world what real love is! Ravensnation we love you!"
I find this fascinating. The woman shown unconscious in the video, the victim everyone is championing, is making this statement on her abuser's behalf.What does it mean?

1. The two of them have made great strides in therapy, Rice has taken full responsibility and is committed to being a better husband and father.

2. She is delusional. Ray still explodes with rage every so often, but that's just Ray. It's not everyone's idea of a perfect marriage, but we make it work. In other words, just playing out the stereotypical abusive relationship -- angry outbursts, violent attacks, tearful apologies, jewelry, promises to never do it again, rinse, repeat.

3. She will accept the occasional beating if it means a luxurious lifestyle. Plus all that money is providing for their kids' future. She's taking one for the team for the greater good.

4. Ray wrote that and Janay will go along with it if she knows what's good for her.
Do you know much about domestic abuse?

 
Besides Goodell/NFL, doesn't the Ravens ownership have a horse in this race also? They were the employer. Shouldn't they be facing the same criticism as Goodell?
:goodposting:

The Ravens organization is getting something of a pass here.
I figured this was because it's generally common knowledge that the Ravens organization is run by the worst people imaginable. It's like finding out that Hitler was covering up a sex abuse scandal in his administration. Yes, that's bad, but... c'mon, it's Hitler, what did you expect?

 
I don't understand how tmz sports got th tape several months after the incident but the nfl couldn't at the time. Where was this tape/recording all this time? Who released it? A disgruntled Bernard Pierce fantasy owner or relative?
I assume that TMZ got it from a Revel employee (remember the Revel just went under).

The NFL had three plausible avenues for trying to get the tape.

1. They could try to go through law enforcement. Obviously that would be unavailing while the criminal case was still open and there might be privacy statutes that would be in the way even after the case was over.

2. They could ask for it from Rice and his attorney (who presumably got a copy in criminal discovery). Again, I seriously doubt that this would be availing while the criminal case was active, but that wouldn't preclude them from asking in June, once the criminal case had completed.

3. They could ask for it from the Revel (or send an investigator to view the tape at the Revel). The apparent failure to do that appears to be the biggest red flag from my perspective.

Now, Ed Werder reported that the Ravens interviewed a police officer who had seen the tape. And that Ray Rice's account to the Ravens and the police officer's account was consistent with what the tape showed (i.e., Rice didn't float a different story). So I suppose its possible that the Ravens and the NFL didn't feel like they needed to see the tape. Just knowing what happened without seeing it with their own eyes, they felt 2 games was an appropriate punishment. That the NFL can now go back and apply a second disciplinary measure retroactively would disturb me if I were with the NFLPA.

 

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