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Ray Rice's Domestic Abuse Presser Sends Wrong Message (6 Viewers)

I think the owners all love Goodell, he gets to be the public's punching bag while the owners avoid bad press. The is very little critism out there against Steve Bisciotti right now yet he was Rice's employer and that organization basically blamed the girl that got knocked out. Valuations and profits are through the roof and Goodell takes all the arrows...owners like their puppet quite a bit.
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I do wonder if the Ravens just wish they had never had any kind of Ray Rice press conference to begin with. If they had just handled it all with press releases and such ... no interviews, getting up in front of mikes, no tweets, none of that. They ended up raising the proile of this case quite a bit.

 
As I wrote on Monday, if they can prove Goodell lied about this, he's done.

That being said, almost nothing about this story makes any sense to me. Why didn't they act on the video if they had it? Why only a 2 game suspension? Why lie about the video? The NFL is one of the smoothest best run private organizations in the USA. To put it all at risk over one running back? I don't get it.
All humans -- and all human orgnizations -- are fallible. They might bat ,999, but they don't bat 1.000.

 
As I wrote on Monday, if they can prove Goodell lied about this, he's done.

That being said, almost nothing about this story makes any sense to me. Why didn't they act on the video if they had it? Why only a 2 game suspension? Why lie about the video? The NFL is one of the smoothest best run private organizations in the USA. To put it all at risk over one running back? I don't get it.
Because the NFL didn't (and still doesn't) actually care about domestic violence. Even if, by some miracle, the NFL isn't lying, Goodell decided that the video of Rice dragging his unconscious fiance out of an elevator warranted a 2 game suspension. I don't think Goodell thought she knocked herself out.
It's not just the NFL.

The country that failed to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment has a whooole lot of tolerance for domestic violence.

 
As I wrote on Monday, if they can prove Goodell lied about this, he's done.

That being said, almost nothing about this story makes any sense to me. Why didn't they act on the video if they had it? Why only a 2 game suspension? Why lie about the video? The NFL is one of the smoothest best run private organizations in the USA. To put it all at risk over one running back? I don't get it.
Why, because they thought they could. Pride comes before a fall.

 
As I wrote on Monday, if they can prove Goodell lied about this, he's done.

That being said, almost nothing about this story makes any sense to me. Why didn't they act on the video if they had it? Why only a 2 game suspension? Why lie about the video? The NFL is one of the smoothest best run private organizations in the USA. To put it all at risk over one running back? I don't get it.
Because the NFL didn't (and still doesn't) actually care about domestic violence. Even if, by some miracle, the NFL isn't lying, Goodell decided that the video of Rice dragging his unconscious fiance out of an elevator warranted a 2 game suspension. I don't think Goodell thought she knocked herself out.
He took "protect the shield" to an absurd level. The intent was probably to bury this so the league doesn't get yet another black eye for employing thugs. The 2 game suspension sends the message that they investigated and it really wasn't that bad. An appropriate suspension would've raised red flags.
 
The second a sponsor pulls a single ad from a stadium/nfl game, you better believe these owners will quickly move on getting Goodell to go.

 
As I wrote on Monday, if they can prove Goodell lied about this, he's done.

That being said, almost nothing about this story makes any sense to me. Why didn't they act on the video if they had it? Why only a 2 game suspension? Why lie about the video? The NFL is one of the smoothest best run private organizations in the USA. To put it all at risk over one running back? I don't get it.
Because the NFL didn't (and still doesn't) actually care about domestic violence. Even if, by some miracle, the NFL isn't lying, Goodell decided that the video of Rice dragging his unconscious fiance out of an elevator warranted a 2 game suspension. I don't think Goodell thought she knocked herself out.
It's not just the NFL.

The country that failed to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment has a whooole lot of tolerance for domestic violence.
Maybe, but Americans have far less tolerance of domestic violence than most people around the world. "He hits you because he loves you" is a much more accepted sentiment throughout the world than it is in the United States.

 
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As I wrote on Monday, if they can prove Goodell lied about this, he's done.

That being said, almost nothing about this story makes any sense to me. Why didn't they act on the video if they had it? Why only a 2 game suspension? Why lie about the video? The NFL is one of the smoothest best run private organizations in the USA. To put it all at risk over one running back? I don't get it.
Because the NFL didn't (and still doesn't) actually care about domestic violence. Even if, by some miracle, the NFL isn't lying, Goodell decided that the video of Rice dragging his unconscious fiance out of an elevator warranted a 2 game suspension. I don't think Goodell thought she knocked herself out.
He took "protect the shield" to an absurd level. The intent was probably to bury this so the league doesn't get yet another black eye for employing thugs. The 2 game suspension sends the message that they investigated and it really wasn't that bad. An appropriate suspension would've raised red flags.
I would agree with you if all we heard was that there was a story saying "Ray Rice Involved in Domestic Altercation With His Fiance," but everyone knew (at the very least) that he had knocked her unconscious. I don't know how you can really bury that.

 
As I wrote on Monday, if they can prove Goodell lied about this, he's done.

That being said, almost nothing about this story makes any sense to me. Why didn't they act on the video if they had it? Why only a 2 game suspension? Why lie about the video? The NFL is one of the smoothest best run private organizations in the USA. To put it all at risk over one running back? I don't get it.
Because the NFL didn't (and still doesn't) actually care about domestic violence. Even if, by some miracle, the NFL isn't lying, Goodell decided that the video of Rice dragging his unconscious fiance out of an elevator warranted a 2 game suspension. I don't think Goodell thought she knocked herself out.
He took "protect the shield" to an absurd level. The intent was probably to bury this so the league doesn't get yet another black eye for employing thugs. The 2 game suspension sends the message that they investigated and it really wasn't that bad. An appropriate suspension would've raised red flags.
I would agree with you if all we heard was that there was a story saying "Ray Rice Involved in Domestic Altercation With His Fiance," but everyone knew (at the very least) that he had knocked her unconscious. I don't know how you can really bury that.
It was a gamble that the really bad video would remain under wraps. Goodell has some experience in that arena.
 
Absolutely amazing that Goodell and the Ravens knew about the tape, but were at worst willfully blind to it. Did they really think there was any chance that tape wouldn't eventually come out? The NFL looks so stupid here that I almost wonder if they wanted the tape to come out so they could get a "do-over" and get rid of Rice for (effectively) good, and just figured they would ride out the media firestorm. And how does Irsay get a six-game suspension for a DUI while Rice gets a two-gamer for cold-cocking his wife?

WINNERS: TMZ

LOSERS: Ravens, NFL, Goodell, ESPN etc., county prosecutors, Greg Hardy, and oh yes, Ray Rice

ONLY PERSON I FEEL SORRY FOR: Mrs. Rice
glad we are making sure people are winning or losing in here.
That doesn't help much though - I just want to know who I should start.

 
Berman's call in the SD/AZ game now being used as a perfect example of the NFL's view on domestic violence.
Reading it is funnier than when he actually said it

"It is clear to anybody playing football that the message has to go way beyond," Berman says in the Vine video above. "And some need help AND THE PUNT IS BLOCKED!"
:lmao:

That said, the writer of that article doesn't exactly seem like someone with any tolerance for football

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How the hell does Goodell manage to suspend Rice indefinitely after he just changed the domestic violence rule to 6 games for a first offense?
If he can change it on a whim why can't he change it again on a whim? The fact that he changed it the first time without a peep from the NFLPA tells me that either the penalty structure wasn't built in to the CBA itself or the players' association is smart enough to know that they probably shouldn't challenge the shift.
It shouldn't be news to anyone that the NFLPA is the NFL's palace eunuch.

 
As I wrote on Monday, if they can prove Goodell lied about this, he's done.

That being said, almost nothing about this story makes any sense to me. Why didn't they act on the video if they had it? Why only a 2 game suspension? Why lie about the video? The NFL is one of the smoothest best run private organizations in the USA. To put it all at risk over one running back? I don't get it.
All humans -- and all human orgnizations -- are fallible. They might bat ,999, but they don't bat 1.000.
The interesting thing to me in this is that it was clearly a considered position. I don't have the exact timeline, but I think the first day they sidestepped or didn't comment on the question of whether or not the NFL offices had seen the tape. That means they clearly spent time considering how to respond to the question and weighing the possible outcomes. If this story is correct and they did have the tape in April it means they decided it was better to take the risk that whoever sent the tape (apparently unsolicited) or someone internally wouldn't come forward vs. the risk of just owning up to it. This is really not looking like a good moment for the League.

Sadly, I believe this is how most corporations would handle a comparable scenario.

 
As I wrote on Monday, if they can prove Goodell lied about this, he's done.

That being said, almost nothing about this story makes any sense to me. Why didn't they act on the video if they had it? Why only a 2 game suspension? Why lie about the video? The NFL is one of the smoothest best run private organizations in the USA. To put it all at risk over one running back? I don't get it.
He did act on it. He felt a two game suspension was sufficient. It doesn't really matter if he saw the video or not. If we are to believe reports, Rice told him enough in detail that the video was not a surprise when he DID see it. He had plenty of information to make the correct decision.

 
The Commish said:
Arsenal of Doom said:
Sadly, I believe this is how most corporations would handle a comparable scenario.
Most corporations aren't built the way the NFL is. Not just one individual is judge, jury and executioner. So most corporations wouldn't be able to attempt to handle it this way.
By comparable scenario I just meant dealing with information that is potentially brand damaging.

 
Zigg said:
timschochet said:
As I wrote on Monday, if they can prove Goodell lied about this, he's done.

That being said, almost nothing about this story makes any sense to me. Why didn't they act on the video if they had it? Why only a 2 game suspension? Why lie about the video? The NFL is one of the smoothest best run private organizations in the USA. To put it all at risk over one running back? I don't get it.
Why, because they thought they could. Pride comes before a fall.
Pride always seems to come early. He should talk to his doctor.

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
I think the owners all love Goodell, he gets to be the public's punching bag while the owners avoid bad press. The is very little critism out there against Steve Bisciotti right now yet he was Rice's employer and that organization basically blamed the girl that got knocked out. Valuations and profits are through the roof and Goodell takes all the arrows...owners like their puppet quite a bit.
This is dead on. If Goodell has to be the league fall guy, then so be it. They'll cut him a nice severance check you can be sure, and then they'll hire the next fall guy.

 
timschochet said:
As I wrote on Monday, if they can prove Goodell lied about this, he's done.

That being said, almost nothing about this story makes any sense to me. Why didn't they act on the video if they had it? Why only a 2 game suspension? Why lie about the video? The NFL is one of the smoothest best run private organizations in the USA. To put it all at risk over one running back? I don't get it.
I find it funny that people don't realize that these types of charges and the resulting conviction rarely affect a person's job.

 
timschochet said:
As I wrote on Monday, if they can prove Goodell lied about this, he's done.

That being said, almost nothing about this story makes any sense to me. Why didn't they act on the video if they had it? Why only a 2 game suspension? Why lie about the video? The NFL is one of the smoothest best run private organizations in the USA. To put it all at risk over one running back? I don't get it.
I find it funny that people don't realize that these types of charges and the resulting conviction rarely affect a person's job.
All right, so laugh at me and consider me naive. Why shouldn't it affect a persons job, especially a celebrity? Why don't we punish wife beaters more severely?
 
League being pretty stupid. Ray Rice's lawyers must be celebrating. Depositions will prove that the League had possession of the video, and decided to play dumb and use the supposed new knowledge from the video to terminate Rice. Seeing as they had punished Rice already and there likely wasn't anything new in the tape, Rice has a very substantial wrongful termination suit on his hands, with possible proof the league conspired to oust him based on a pure lie.

Goodell may be felled by hubris.

 
“We have no knowledge of this. We are not aware of anyone in our office who possessed or saw the video before it was made public on Monday. We will look into it.”
"Now that we've successfully concluded our investigation of Ray Rice, we'll investigate ourselves."

This is a bit like Watergate but at a much faster pace.

And it's bunker time.

According to Michelle Boudin of WCNC in Charlotte, Goodell will not attend a banquet tonight where he was scheduled to present Panthers owner Jerry Richardson with a humanitarian award.
 
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timschochet said:
As I wrote on Monday, if they can prove Goodell lied about this, he's done.

That being said, almost nothing about this story makes any sense to me. Why didn't they act on the video if they had it? Why only a 2 game suspension? Why lie about the video? The NFL is one of the smoothest best run private organizations in the USA. To put it all at risk over one running back? I don't get it.
I find it funny that people don't realize that these types of charges and the resulting conviction rarely affect a person's job.
All right, so laugh at me and consider me naive. Why shouldn't it affect a persons job, especially a celebrity? Why don't we punish wife beaters more severely?
Where I work, the two things that matter are job performance and conduct while on the job. Everything else is irrelevant. I guess you could argue that celebrities are always on the job, but that seems like a stretch. I think the whole topic of sports leagues taking disciplinary action against its employees for off the job conduct would be an interesting discussion.

 
League being pretty stupid. Ray Rice's lawyers must be celebrating. Depositions will prove that the League had possession of the video, and decided to play dumb and use the supposed new knowledge from the video to terminate Rice. Seeing as they had punished Rice already and there likely wasn't anything new in the tape, Rice has a very substantial wrongful termination suit on his hands, with possible proof the league conspired to oust him based on a pure lie.

Goodell may be felled by hubris.
Maybe that makes sense in lawyer logic but I don't get it

 
Henry Ford said:
njherdfan said:
timschochet said:
As I wrote on Monday, if they can prove Goodell lied about this, he's done.

That being said, almost nothing about this story makes any sense to me. Why didn't they act on the video if they had it? Why only a 2 game suspension? Why lie about the video? The NFL is one of the smoothest best run private organizations in the USA. To put it all at risk over one running back? I don't get it.
Because the NFL didn't (and still doesn't) actually care about domestic violence. Even if, by some miracle, the NFL isn't lying, Goodell decided that the video of Rice dragging his unconscious fiance out of an elevator warranted a 2 game suspension. I don't think Goodell thought she knocked herself out.
It's not just the NFL.

The country that failed to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment has a whooole lot of tolerance for domestic violence.
Well, here's the other deal - the Ray Rice scenario is incredibly common and, IMO, it's really ####### hard to deal with.

Here's the steps of a standard DV case:

1. Couple, usually after several drinks of alcohol or lines of the drug of their choice, starts to argue over something stupid. It gets physical.

2. The female either calls the police if she can or the neighbors hear the dispute and call.

3. Police arrive. Woman is crying and has some injuries. Gives an account of man hitting her. Police document some injuries. Man is either gone from scene or is present but doesn't say much of anything (if he does, it's a minimalization of what occurred). Facts are such that a conviction is likely.

4. Man gets charged with a DV offense. Man speaks to a lawyer and realizes that a DV offense could net him some jail time and has some pretty significant collateral consequences, such as potential consequences with his professional license or the inability to possess a weapon.

5. Man a woman reconcile but emotion trumps rationality. Man has some tangible benefit to their family (usually financial). Woman quickly discovers that if her man gets convicted, she/her family will indirectly suffer from the collateral consequences. Plus things are pretty good now. Woman just wants case to go away.

6. Man and woman speak to man's attorney. Man's attorney advise woman to talk to prosecutor.

7. Woman goes to prosecutor and begs prosecutor to drop the case or at the very least go lenient on him. Tells story of how man is reformed, etc. Indicates that if prosecutor doesn't she will either not show up for court and, if she's subpoenaed, she'll show up and deny allegations.

8. Prosecutor gets follow up call from man's attorney who knows full well the victim's position. Looks to cut a deal.

There's literally no rock solid choice for the prosecutor here. Should he or she:

1. Prosecute the case fully knowing full well that it is against the victim's wishes, that the victim may indirectly suffer, and that he may lose if his victim doesn't cooperate?

2. Cut a deal which looks too lenient to the public whom don't understand the incredible difficulty of this situation and doesn't deter this guy from future behavior?

3. Dismiss the case, which is frankly what all parties would prefer, but really puts no check on this potential batterer?

I imagine Goodell was in a similar position. Except I'd argue that he owed even less of a duty to punish here since, you know, he doesn't represent society but instead an athletic corporation.

 
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timschochet said:
As I wrote on Monday, if they can prove Goodell lied about this, he's done.

That being said, almost nothing about this story makes any sense to me. Why didn't they act on the video if they had it? Why only a 2 game suspension? Why lie about the video? The NFL is one of the smoothest best run private organizations in the USA. To put it all at risk over one running back? I don't get it.
I find it funny that people don't realize that these types of charges and the resulting conviction rarely affect a person's job.
All right, so laugh at me and consider me naive. Why shouldn't it affect a persons job, especially a celebrity? Why don't we punish wife beaters more severely?
I didn't say that it shouldn't. I said that it rarely does.

 
There's a union and league rules. He was punished and the only basis for increasing the punishment was the lie that no one had seen the video and it changed things. That's not true. The league fabricated an excuse, which broke union rules and is therefore also grounds for wrongful termination. Unlikely the League will ensure everyone lies under oath after a voicemail leaked.

Rice won't only get them for firing him without process, but overtly conspiring to terminate him. He'll settle for many millions, paid by insurance - if any of this is true.

 
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Just in: Goodell claims entire League's judgement severely impaired by concussions.

 
I doubt he survives the month as Commissioner, unless the AP report is totally off base.

 
Yesterday Goodell said "I didn't get [the 2 week punishment] right"

So now after this whole thing comes out, guess what he'll say

"I told you yesterday I didn't it right. HELLLO????"

 
Great tweet by Scott Fujita.

@sfujita55: I guess everyone is just catching up. Credibility went out the window a long time ago.
@brianhartline: JUST RELEASED: the top rated reality TV shows goes to..... The NFL. Smh
Don't forget that the NFL was the organization that exerted pressure on ESPN to kill the popular Playmakers series a decade ago... because it portrayed players and the league too negatively. :lmao:

 
Henry Ford said:
njherdfan said:
timschochet said:
As I wrote on Monday, if they can prove Goodell lied about this, he's done.

That being said, almost nothing about this story makes any sense to me. Why didn't they act on the video if they had it? Why only a 2 game suspension? Why lie about the video? The NFL is one of the smoothest best run private organizations in the USA. To put it all at risk over one running back? I don't get it.
Because the NFL didn't (and still doesn't) actually care about domestic violence. Even if, by some miracle, the NFL isn't lying, Goodell decided that the video of Rice dragging his unconscious fiance out of an elevator warranted a 2 game suspension. I don't think Goodell thought she knocked herself out.
It's not just the NFL. The country that failed to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment has a whooole lot of tolerance for domestic violence.
Well, here's the other deal - the Ray Rice scenario is incredibly common and, IMO, it's really ####### hard to deal with. Here's the steps of a standard DV case:

1. Couple, usually after several drinks of alcohol or lines of the drug of their choice, starts to argue over something stupid. It gets physical.

2. The female either calls the police if she can or the neighbors hear the dispute and call.

3. Police arrive. Woman is crying and has some injuries. Gives an account of man hitting her. Police document some injuries. Man is either gone from scene or is present but doesn't say much of anything (if he does, it's a minimalization of what occurred). Facts are such that a conviction is likely.

4. Man gets charged with a DV offense. Man speaks to a lawyer and realizes that a DV offense could net him some jail time and has some pretty significant collateral consequences, such as potential consequences with his professional license or the inability to possess a weapon.

5. Man a woman reconcile but emotion trumps rationality. Man has some tangible benefit to their family (usually financial). Woman quickly discovers that if her man gets convicted, she/her family will indirectly suffer from the collateral consequences. Plus things are pretty good now. Woman just wants case to go away.

6. Man and woman speak to man's attorney. Man's attorney advise woman to talk to prosecutor.

7. Woman goes to prosecutor and begs prosecutor to drop the case or at the very least go lenient on him. Tells story of how man is reformed, etc. Indicates that if prosecutor doesn't she will either not show up for court and, if she's subpoenaed, she'll show up and deny allegations.

8. Prosecutor gets follow up call from man's attorney who knows full well the victim's position. Looks to cut a deal.

There's literally no rock solid choice for the prosecutor here. Should he or she:

1. Prosecute the case fully knowing full well that it is against the victim's wishes, that the victim may indirectly suffer, and that he may lose if his victim doesn't cooperate?

2. Cut a deal which looks too lenient to the public whom don't understand the incredible difficulty of this situation and doesn't deter this guy from future behavior?

3. Dismiss the case, which is frankly what all parties would prefer, but really puts no check on this potential batterer?

I imagine Goodell was in a similar position. Except I'd argue that he owed even less of a duty to punish here since, you know, he doesn't represent society but instead an athletic corporation.
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