Ray Rice's Domestic Abuse Presser Sends Wrong Message (1 Viewer)

[Billy Bats]

Well it's only fitting that Rhianna is singing the opening song for TNF. You can't make this #### up.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

The NFL needs some good PR. Sorry Dan Snyder.

 

[Dragons]

So why isn't NOW out there calling for the police chief and DA to resign?

I'm not sure the prosecutor isn't going to see such "calls".

Horrible. :(

 

[Billy Bats]

Playbook says sponsors must start bailing.

Goodell will be gone long before that happens. There are phone calls going on right now about that I'm sure. Fire Goodell, promise reforms, and everyone saves face and continues doing business.

I think that a company will bail first, which will lead to the real pressure on Goodell.

The companies really don't want to bail on the NFL - the advertising exposure that you get via the NFL is second to none. They may issue press releases saying they're "reevaluating their relationship with the NFL", but that'll just be saber rattling and I don't even think it'll come to that. A Goodell firing will be a nice clean bow to put on this that saves everyone's face and, more importantly, their lucrative economic relationships.

Well...

@Marriott As a league partner, closely following situation. We trust NFL will address matter appropriately.

7:26pm - 10 Sep 14

 

[Fennis]

So why isn't NOW out there calling for the police chief and DA to resign?

I'm not sure the prosecutor isn't going to see such "calls".

Horrible. :(

To be fair to the prosecutor, Ray Rice is famous

 

[T Bell]

Well it's only fitting that Rhianna is singing the opening song for TNF. You can't make this #### up.

Are you serious?

 

[T Bell]

Playbook says sponsors must start bailing.

Goodell will be gone long before that happens. There are phone calls going on right now about that I'm sure. Fire Goodell, promise reforms, and everyone saves face and continues doing business.

I think that a company will bail first, which will lead to the real pressure on Goodell.

The companies really don't want to bail on the NFL - the advertising exposure that you get via the NFL is second to none. They may issue press releases saying they're "reevaluating their relationship with the NFL", but that'll just be saber rattling and I don't even think it'll come to that. A Goodell firing will be a nice clean bow to put on this that saves everyone's face and, more importantly, their lucrative economic relationships.

Well...

@Marriott As a league partner, closely following situation. We trust NFL will address matter appropriately.

7:26pm - 10 Sep 14

Yup, throat clearing. I guess it's started then. They've got female customers/clients/business owners who they need to posture for too.

 

[fatness]

Playbook says sponsors must start bailing.

Goodell will be gone long before that happens. There are phone calls going on right now about that I'm sure. Fire Goodell, promise reforms, and everyone saves face and continues doing business.

Along those lines.

League partner and hotel chain Marriott said it was "closely following the situation."

"We trust that the NFL will address the matter appropriately," a statement on Marriott's Twitter account said.

 

[Dragons]

So why isn't NOW out there calling for the police chief and DA to resign?

I'm not sure the prosecutor isn't going to see such "calls".

Horrible. :(

To be fair to the prosecutor, Ray Rice is famous

And you'd have a hard time calling him racist.

 

[Koya]

So why isn't NOW out there calling for the police chief and DA to resign?

I'm not sure the prosecutor isn't going to see such "calls".

Horrible. :(

To be fair to the prosecutor, Ray Rice is INfamous

corrected

 

[Henry Ford]

Marriott puts a lot of money toward domestic violence. They will take a stand on this if it gets too crazy.

 

[Fennis]

Marriott puts a lot of money toward domestic violence. They will take a stand on this if it gets too crazy.

who could forget their campaign, "Instead of hitting your wife, take a break... stay at a Marriott"

 

[flapgreen]

Well it's only fitting that Rhianna is singing the opening song for TNF. You can't make this #### up.

Are you serious?

 

[Henry Ford]

Marriott puts a lot of money toward domestic violence. They will take a stand on this if it gets too crazy.

who could forget their campaign, "Instead of hitting your wife, take a break... stay at a Marriott"

They spend a huge amount of money on domestic violence charities. I don't known for sure, but I suspect they donate more to domestic violence charities than any other non-charitable corporation in the country.

 

[Koya]

Marriott puts a lot of money toward domestic violence. They will take a stand on this if it gets too crazy.

who could forget their campaign, "Instead of hitting your wife, take a break... stay at a Marriott"

They spend a huge amount of money on domestic violence charities. I don't known for sure, but I suspect they donate more to domestic violence charities than any other non-charitable corporation in the country.

Marriott is also a very morally guided organization. Morman family (although they don't project their beliefs on employees, actually are quite liberal in that re: benies etc) that does try to do the "right thing" as I understand it.

The NFL is BIG exposure. But a brand as large as Marriott would not suffer much at all by looking elsewhere to spend their marketing budget.

 

[Guest]

Marriott puts a lot of money toward domestic violence. They will take a stand on this if it gets too crazy.

who could forget their campaign, "Instead of hitting your wife, take a break... stay at a Marriott"

They spend a huge amount of money on domestic violence charities. I don't known for sure, but I suspect they donate more to domestic violence charities than any other non-charitable corporation in the country.

Makes sense that their latest campaign is "Remove Roger Goodell." Started about an hour ago. Think it'll be catchy.

 

[T Bell]

Marriott puts a lot of money toward domestic violence. They will take a stand on this if it gets too crazy.

who could forget their campaign, "Instead of hitting your wife, take a break... stay at a Marriott"

They spend a huge amount of money on domestic violence charities. I don't known for sure, but I suspect they donate more to domestic violence charities than any other non-charitable corporation in the country.

It only makes sense- why sleep on the couch when you can crash at Marriott?

 

[Guest]

Marriott puts a lot of money toward domestic violence. They will take a stand on this if it gets too crazy.

who could forget their campaign, "Instead of hitting your wife, take a break... stay at a Marriott"

They spend a huge amount of money on domestic violence charities. I don't known for sure, but I suspect they donate more to domestic violence charities than any other non-charitable corporation in the country.

It only makes sense- why sleep on the couch when you can crash at Marriott?

"Our elevators have no railings."

 

[Henry Ford]

Marriott puts a lot of money toward domestic violence. They will take a stand on this if it gets too crazy.

who could forget their campaign, "Instead of hitting your wife, take a break... stay at a Marriott"

They spend a huge amount of money on domestic violence charities. I don't known for sure, but I suspect they donate more to domestic violence charities than any other non-charitable corporation in the country.

It only makes sense- why sleep on the couch when you can crash at Marriott?

More like "no beds at the shelter and we have some spare rooms? Let's call a domestic violence shelter and offer some women and their kids a place to stay while their insane husbands are getting out on bail."

 

[fatness]

NFL sponsors

 

[Henry Ford]

Marriott is the official hotel chain of the NFL, right? What would happen if they withdrew from that contract and then cancelled all NFL team reservations, do you think?

 

[T Bell]

Marriott puts a lot of money toward domestic violence. They will take a stand on this if it gets too crazy.

who could forget their campaign, "Instead of hitting your wife, take a break... stay at a Marriott"

They spend a huge amount of money on domestic violence charities. I don't known for sure, but I suspect they donate more to domestic violence charities than any other non-charitable corporation in the country.

It only makes sense- why sleep on the couch when you can crash at Marriott?

More like "no beds at the shelter and we have some spare rooms? Let's call a domestic violence shelter and offer some women and their kids a place to stay while their insane husbands are getting out on bail."

Pretty awesome if that's what they do.

 

[Koya]

Marriott is the official hotel chain of the NFL, right? What would happen if they withdrew from that contract and then cancelled all NFL team reservations, do you think?

What that would represent, imo, is the beginning of a larger exodus. If a company were to do THAT, plenty of others would likely follow.

Meaning, it would be Goddell's head before the loss of Marriot (as it would likely mean the loss of many others, the dragging out of this issue, and a threat to the "inpenatrable" NFL momo).

Remember, Goddell works for the owners. If the owners see too much downside, the game itself is as awesome as ever... you get a new captain for the #### before you let it burn down (or even have say, the engine room burn down - and sponsors represent the engine room of revenues)

 

[T Bell]

Marriott is the official hotel chain of the NFL, right? What would happen if they withdrew from that contract and then cancelled all NFL team reservations, do you think?

Marriott, who has undoubtedly pre-paid for the privilege of calling themselves a "partner", would undboutedly seek some of their money back; meanwhile the NFL might pursue them for breach of contract to the extent future payments were obligated under the contract. There'd be some negotiating and likely a settlement.

 

[Henry Ford]

Marriott is the official hotel chain of the NFL, right? What would happen if they withdrew from that contract and then cancelled all NFL team reservations, do you think?

Marriott, who has undoubtedly pre-paid for the privilege of calling themselves a "partner", would undboutedly seek some of their money back; meanwhile the NFL might pursue them for breach of contract to the extent future payments were obligated under the contract. There'd be some negotiating and likely a settlement.

Goodell would be gone before it got to that.

 

[Koya]

Well, now Congress is involved.

Regardless of your views on that (although they do hold some legit place due to their antitrust law exceptions with are Congressional mandates), ####'s getting REAL.

Senator Blumenthal from CT just laid out Goodell.

“Recent reports that the NFL had the Ray Rice battering video point to Roger Goodell’s burgeoning, insurmountable credibility gap,” Blumenthal said in a statement issued through his office. “If these reports are true, Commissioner Goodell must go, for the good of the NFL and its fans. The current leadership of the NFL cannot be trusted to fairly, genuinely implement policies that address domestic violence. As Roger Goodell himself said several years ago when allegations arose that the New Orleans Saints offered bounties for injuring opponents, ‘ignorance is not an excuse.’

That last line is key. Going to be hard for Rog to wiggle out of this one. Ignorance, is not an excuse.

(Can't deny a bit of schaudenfraude here. When you are a greater than thou, judge, jury and executioner and then you become the plaintiff, it's going to be rough and deservedly so).

 

[rockaction]

Well, now Congress is involved.

Regardless of your views on that (although they do hold some legit place due to their antitrust law exceptions with are Congressional mandates), ####'s getting REAL.

Senator Blumenthal from CT just laid out Goodell.

“Recent reports that the NFL had the Ray Rice battering video point to Roger Goodell’s burgeoning, insurmountable credibility gap,” Blumenthal said in a statement issued through his office. “If these reports are true, Commissioner Goodell must go, for the good of the NFL and its fans. The current leadership of the NFL cannot be trusted to fairly, genuinely implement policies that address domestic violence. As Roger Goodell himself said several years ago when allegations arose that the New Orleans Saints offered bounties for injuring opponents, ‘ignorance is not an excuse.’

That last line is key. Going to be hard for Rog to wiggle out of this one. Ignorance, is not an excuse.

(Can't deny a bit of schaudenfraude here. When you are a greater than thou, judge, jury and executioner and then you become the plaintiff, it's going to be rough and deservedly so).

Considering Senator Blumenthal lied about his own military service and then stuffed his presser with Legion guys that kept chanting "hooah!" on the dais while offering no apologies for lying, he really ought shut the #### up.

And I have no love for Goodell.

 

[Koya]

Marriott is the official hotel chain of the NFL, right? What would happen if they withdrew from that contract and then cancelled all NFL team reservations, do you think?

Marriott, who has undoubtedly pre-paid for the privilege of calling themselves a "partner", would undboutedly seek some of their money back; meanwhile the NFL might pursue them for breach of contract to the extent future payments were obligated under the contract. There'd be some negotiating and likely a settlement.

You really think the NFL calculations would result in math that suggests they should battle for some millions now, at the potential expense of tens of, hundreds of, thousands of millions going forward from feeding into a perspective that the NFL cares more about its brand than about the welfare of beaten women (even if that's the case?)

 

[Koya]

Well, now Congress is involved.

Regardless of your views on that (although they do hold some legit place due to their antitrust law exceptions with are Congressional mandates), ####'s getting REAL.

Senator Blumenthal from CT just laid out Goodell.

“Recent reports that the NFL had the Ray Rice battering video point to Roger Goodell’s burgeoning, insurmountable credibility gap,” Blumenthal said in a statement issued through his office. “If these reports are true, Commissioner Goodell must go, for the good of the NFL and its fans. The current leadership of the NFL cannot be trusted to fairly, genuinely implement policies that address domestic violence. As Roger Goodell himself said several years ago when allegations arose that the New Orleans Saints offered bounties for injuring opponents, ‘ignorance is not an excuse.’

That last line is key. Going to be hard for Rog to wiggle out of this one. Ignorance, is not an excuse.

(Can't deny a bit of schaudenfraude here. When you are a greater than thou, judge, jury and executioner and then you become the plaintiff, it's going to be rough and deservedly so).

Considering Senator Blumenthal lied about his own military service and then stuffed his presser with Legion guys that kept chanting "hooah!" on the dais while offering no apologies for lying, he really ought shut the #### up.

And I have no love for Goodell.

This is not about Blumenthal.

And his views are not his alone.

Oh, and he's still a ####### Senator while we are bantering on a message board.

This hurts. As of 4 hours ago, I didn't see any real way that Goodell would be at risk of actually losing his job.

As of right now? It's over.

 

[fatness]

Former FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III will conduct an independent investigation into the NFL's pursuit and handling of evidence in the Ray Rice domestic violence incident, Commissioner Roger Goodell announced Wednesday night.Director Mueller's investigation will be overseen by NFL owners John Mara of the New York Giants and Art Rooney of the Pittsburgh Steelers, and the final report will be made public. Mara and Rooney are both attorneys.

Last ditch attempt at saving Goodell's job. And at keeping a sponsor or sponsors from jumping ship. The NFL better hope no more leaks come out, and that's something they don't control. Right now the league has the public's attention, and not in the way the NFL wants.

 

[Fennis]

Well, now Congress is involved.

Regardless of your views on that (although they do hold some legit place due to their antitrust law exceptions with are Congressional mandates), ####'s getting REAL.

Senator Blumenthal from CT just laid out Goodell.

“Recent reports that the NFL had the Ray Rice battering video point to Roger Goodell’s burgeoning, insurmountable credibility gap,” Blumenthal said in a statement issued through his office. “If these reports are true, Commissioner Goodell must go, for the good of the NFL and its fans. The current leadership of the NFL cannot be trusted to fairly, genuinely implement policies that address domestic violence. As Roger Goodell himself said several years ago when allegations arose that the New Orleans Saints offered bounties for injuring opponents, ‘ignorance is not an excuse.’

That last line is key. Going to be hard for Rog to wiggle out of this one. Ignorance, is not an excuse.

(Can't deny a bit of schaudenfraude here. When you are a greater than thou, judge, jury and executioner and then you become the plaintiff, it's going to be rough and deservedly so).

I don't know the details, but IIRC the NFL has some minor anti-trust exemption something to do with broadcasting games.

An individual Senator or Congressman, can comment all they want, I don't care, but Congress has no role in this.

 

[Mister CIA]

Jon Stewart did not disappoint tonight. The League of Exculpatory Gentlemen.

No link yet.

 

[Koya]

Well, now Congress is involved.

Regardless of your views on that (although they do hold some legit place due to their antitrust law exceptions with are Congressional mandates), ####'s getting REAL.

Senator Blumenthal from CT just laid out Goodell.

“Recent reports that the NFL had the Ray Rice battering video point to Roger Goodell’s burgeoning, insurmountable credibility gap,” Blumenthal said in a statement issued through his office. “If these reports are true, Commissioner Goodell must go, for the good of the NFL and its fans. The current leadership of the NFL cannot be trusted to fairly, genuinely implement policies that address domestic violence. As Roger Goodell himself said several years ago when allegations arose that the New Orleans Saints offered bounties for injuring opponents, ‘ignorance is not an excuse.’

That last line is key. Going to be hard for Rog to wiggle out of this one. Ignorance, is not an excuse.

(Can't deny a bit of schaudenfraude here. When you are a greater than thou, judge, jury and executioner and then you become the plaintiff, it's going to be rough and deservedly so).

I don't know the details, but IIRC the NFL has some minor anti-trust exemption something to do with broadcasting games.

An individual Senator or Congressman, can comment all they want, I don't care, but Congress has no role in this.

Wow. I don't think y'all are getting it here. This has far less to do with Congress' legitimacy interjecting in this manner (seriously, Congress is pathetic at this point, moreso than Goodell) and far more with public opinoin (ya know, ratings, sponsors and advertisers and the ultimate lifeline of any entertainment gig).

And public opinion is not going the right way. Senators commenting as to that fact is not going to help. And yes, it will make it worse.

 

[rockaction]

Well, now Congress is involved.

Regardless of your views on that (although they do hold some legit place due to their antitrust law exceptions with are Congressional mandates), ####'s getting REAL.

Senator Blumenthal from CT just laid out Goodell.

“Recent reports that the NFL had the Ray Rice battering video point to Roger Goodell’s burgeoning, insurmountable credibility gap,” Blumenthal said in a statement issued through his office. “If these reports are true, Commissioner Goodell must go, for the good of the NFL and its fans. The current leadership of the NFL cannot be trusted to fairly, genuinely implement policies that address domestic violence. As Roger Goodell himself said several years ago when allegations arose that the New Orleans Saints offered bounties for injuring opponents, ‘ignorance is not an excuse.’

That last line is key. Going to be hard for Rog to wiggle out of this one. Ignorance, is not an excuse.

(Can't deny a bit of schaudenfraude here. When you are a greater than thou, judge, jury and executioner and then you become the plaintiff, it's going to be rough and deservedly so).

Considering Senator Blumenthal lied about his own military service and then stuffed his presser with Legion guys that kept chanting "hooah!" on the dais while offering no apologies for lying, he really ought shut the #### up.

And I have no love for Goodell.

This is not about Blumenthal.

And his views are not his alone.

Oh, and he's still a ####### Senator while we are bantering on a message board.

This hurts. As of 4 hours ago, I didn't see any real way that Goodell would be at risk of actually losing his job.

As of right now? It's over.

"Ought" was kind of a key word in my post.

Sure he has power. The fools in my state gave it to him. It's like Marion Barry smoking crack, saying "##### set me up!," and getting re-elected. Sure, there's power, but it has little to no moral authority. Just authority, plain and simple.

 

[fatness]

Or like Goodell saying the NFL didn't have the video.

 

[Koya]

Well, now Congress is involved.

Regardless of your views on that (although they do hold some legit place due to their antitrust law exceptions with are Congressional mandates), ####'s getting REAL.

Senator Blumenthal from CT just laid out Goodell.

“Recent reports that the NFL had the Ray Rice battering video point to Roger Goodell’s burgeoning, insurmountable credibility gap,” Blumenthal said in a statement issued through his office. “If these reports are true, Commissioner Goodell must go, for the good of the NFL and its fans. The current leadership of the NFL cannot be trusted to fairly, genuinely implement policies that address domestic violence. As Roger Goodell himself said several years ago when allegations arose that the New Orleans Saints offered bounties for injuring opponents, ‘ignorance is not an excuse.’

That last line is key. Going to be hard for Rog to wiggle out of this one. Ignorance, is not an excuse.

(Can't deny a bit of schaudenfraude here. When you are a greater than thou, judge, jury and executioner and then you become the plaintiff, it's going to be rough and deservedly so).

Considering Senator Blumenthal lied about his own military service and then stuffed his presser with Legion guys that kept chanting "hooah!" on the dais while offering no apologies for lying, he really ought shut the #### up.

And I have no love for Goodell.

This is not about Blumenthal.

And his views are not his alone.

Oh, and he's still a ####### Senator while we are bantering on a message board.

This hurts. As of 4 hours ago, I didn't see any real way that Goodell would be at risk of actually losing his job.

As of right now? It's over.

"Ought" was kind of a key word in my post.

Sure he has power. The fools in my state gave it to him. It's like Marion Barry smoking crack, saying "##### set me up!," and getting re-elected. Sure, there's power, but it has little to no moral authority. Just authority, plain and simple.

Who has legitimate moral authority aside, Blumenthal hardly rises to the level of Marion Barry. Please.

 

[Fennis]

Well, now Congress is involved.

Regardless of your views on that (although they do hold some legit place due to their antitrust law exceptions with are Congressional mandates), ####'s getting REAL.

Senator Blumenthal from CT just laid out Goodell.

“Recent reports that the NFL had the Ray Rice battering video point to Roger Goodell’s burgeoning, insurmountable credibility gap,” Blumenthal said in a statement issued through his office. “If these reports are true, Commissioner Goodell must go, for the good of the NFL and its fans. The current leadership of the NFL cannot be trusted to fairly, genuinely implement policies that address domestic violence. As Roger Goodell himself said several years ago when allegations arose that the New Orleans Saints offered bounties for injuring opponents, ‘ignorance is not an excuse.’

That last line is key. Going to be hard for Rog to wiggle out of this one. Ignorance, is not an excuse.

(Can't deny a bit of schaudenfraude here. When you are a greater than thou, judge, jury and executioner and then you become the plaintiff, it's going to be rough and deservedly so).

I don't know the details, but IIRC the NFL has some minor anti-trust exemption something to do with broadcasting games.

An individual Senator or Congressman, can comment all they want, I don't care, but Congress has no role in this.

Wow. I don't think y'all are getting it here. This has far less to do with Congress' legitimacy interjecting in this manner (seriously, Congress is pathetic at this point, moreso than Goodell) and far more with public opinoin (ya know, ratings, sponsors and advertisers and the ultimate lifeline of any entertainment gig).

And public opinion is not going the right way. Senators commenting as to that fact is not going to help. And yes, it will make it worse.

I understand, our only disagreement is with your comment that Congress is involved.

I agree with everything else you said.

 

[Koya]

Or like Goodell saying the NFL didn't have the video.

In a southern drone... "heh... Well... heh, heh... thatall dee-pends on what the meanin' of "have" is. Heh heh.

 

[Koya]

Well, now Congress is involved.

Regardless of your views on that (although they do hold some legit place due to their antitrust law exceptions with are Congressional mandates), ####'s getting REAL.

Senator Blumenthal from CT just laid out Goodell.

“Recent reports that the NFL had the Ray Rice battering video point to Roger Goodell’s burgeoning, insurmountable credibility gap,” Blumenthal said in a statement issued through his office. “If these reports are true, Commissioner Goodell must go, for the good of the NFL and its fans. The current leadership of the NFL cannot be trusted to fairly, genuinely implement policies that address domestic violence. As Roger Goodell himself said several years ago when allegations arose that the New Orleans Saints offered bounties for injuring opponents, ‘ignorance is not an excuse.’

That last line is key. Going to be hard for Rog to wiggle out of this one. Ignorance, is not an excuse.

(Can't deny a bit of schaudenfraude here. When you are a greater than thou, judge, jury and executioner and then you become the plaintiff, it's going to be rough and deservedly so).

I don't know the details, but IIRC the NFL has some minor anti-trust exemption something to do with broadcasting games.

An individual Senator or Congressman, can comment all they want, I don't care, but Congress has no role in this.

Wow. I don't think y'all are getting it here. This has far less to do with Congress' legitimacy interjecting in this manner (seriously, Congress is pathetic at this point, moreso than Goodell) and far more with public opinoin (ya know, ratings, sponsors and advertisers and the ultimate lifeline of any entertainment gig).

And public opinion is not going the right way. Senators commenting as to that fact is not going to help. And yes, it will make it worse.

I understand, our only disagreement is with your comment that Congress is involved.

I agree with everything else you said.

I meant from the public dialogue perspective, not from any actual legislative issues nor Congressional actions.

 

[T Bell]

Marriott is the official hotel chain of the NFL, right? What would happen if they withdrew from that contract and then cancelled all NFL team reservations, do you think?

Marriott, who has undoubtedly pre-paid for the privilege of calling themselves a "partner", would undboutedly seek some of their money back; meanwhile the NFL might pursue them for breach of contract to the extent future payments were obligated under the contract. There'd be some negotiating and likely a settlement.

Goodell would be gone before it got to that.

I agree and said as much before; I was writing up more what would happen if Marriott wanted to follow through on the threat regardless.

 

[Guest]

Goose, I mean Goodell, is cooked. May make it though this weekend.

 

[fatness]

"I fear the failure of the NFL to understand the scope and severity of this act of domestic violence has already led to significant damage for vulnerable members of society,'' Republican Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada said, adding that he was "highly disappointed'' that Goodell and the NFL did not take severe action against Rice until after the security video was made public.

"By waiting to act until it was made public you effectively condoned the action of the perpetrator himself,'' Heller wrote in his letter to Goodell. "I cannot and will not tolerate that position by anybody, let alone the National Football League.''

http://7online.com/sports/roddy-white-say-we-messed-up/303661/

 

[T Bell]

Marriott is the official hotel chain of the NFL, right? What would happen if they withdrew from that contract and then cancelled all NFL team reservations, do you think?

Marriott, who has undoubtedly pre-paid for the privilege of calling themselves a "partner", would undboutedly seek some of their money back; meanwhile the NFL might pursue them for breach of contract to the extent future payments were obligated under the contract. There'd be some negotiating and likely a settlement.

You really think the NFL calculations would result in math that suggests they should battle for some millions now, at the potential expense of tens of, hundreds of, thousands of millions going forward from feeding into a perspective that the NFL cares more about its brand than about the welfare of beaten women (even if that's the case?)

You mean as opposed to the circumspection they've displayed on this issue to date?

 

[rockaction]

Who has legitimate moral authority aside, Blumenthal hardly rises to the level of Marion Barry. Please.

I would rather vote for an embarrassed crack smoker than a guy that calculatedly and deliberately lies about his military service for almost forty years and then doesn't apologize for it.

YMMV.

 

[Fennis]

Who has legitimate moral authority aside, Blumenthal hardly rises to the level of Marion Barry. Please.

I would rather vote for an embarrassed crack smoker than a guy that calculatedly and deliberately lies about his military service for almost forty years and then doesn't apologize for it.

YMMV.

probably should be a spin off thread.

From wiki, what I think is a fair summary of the issue.

On May 17, 2010, prior to the Democratic convention, The New York Times published an article citing a speech delivered by Blumenthal in Norwalk, Connecticut in which he referred to having served "in Vietnam".[101] Beyond the 2006 Norwalk speech, there was evidence of a 2003 occasion when Blumenthal appeared to suggest he'd been amongst those returning from Vietnam.[102] The campaign of a prospective Blumenthal opponent, Republican Linda McMahon, briefly posted on its website that her campaign research team had found video footage of the speech and provided the story to The Times.[102][103] After the Times story was published, Rasmussen Reports indicated that Blumenthal's lead over McMahon had shrunk to three percentage points.[104]Politico covered criticism of the Times, including from the left, which noted that Blumenthal had accurately described his military service record at the outset of his Norwalk speech by saying he had "served in the military during the Vietnam era in the Marine Corps". Politico also quoted Times editor Bill Keller writing that Blumenthal's introductory statement "does not contradict his later statement that he served ‘in Vietnam’".[105] Connecticut's The Day newspaper, meanwhile, stated that its staff could find no articles in its archives with any suggestion by Blumenthal that he had served in Vietnam but also noted the 2003 and 2008 occasions. It quoted Blumenthal defending his representation of his military service: "On a few occasions, I have misspoken about my service and I regret that. I take full responsibility, but I will not allow anyone to take a few misplaced words and impugn my record of military service."[102] Blumenthal's commanding officer in 1974 and 1975, Larry Baldino of Woodbridge, CT, addressed the misspeaking in a letter to the editor to the New Haven Register. Baldino opined that the misleading statement was too 'petty' to be the basis for supporting or not supporting Blumenthal. Baldino further portrayed Blumenthal as 'good natured' and described him as 'one of the best Marines with whom I ever worked'.[106]

 

[Yankee23Fan]

This is really insane.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I didn't think this would really end up being a threat to Goodell, but it's gotten to the point where someone's head is probably going to roll and he's gotta be near the top of the list.

 

[Zow]

This is really insane.

Yep.

 

[rockaction]

Who has legitimate moral authority aside, Blumenthal hardly rises to the level of Marion Barry. Please.

I would rather vote for an embarrassed crack smoker than a guy that calculatedly and deliberately lies about his military service for almost forty years and then doesn't apologize for it.

YMMV.

probably should be a spin off thread.

From wiki, what I think is a fair summary of the issue.

On May 17, 2010, prior to the Democratic convention, The New York Times published an article citing a speech delivered by Blumenthal in Norwalk, Connecticut in which he referred to having served "in Vietnam".[101] Beyond the 2006 Norwalk speech, there was evidence of a 2003 occasion when Blumenthal appeared to suggest he'd been amongst those returning from Vietnam.[102] The campaign of a prospective Blumenthal opponent, Republican Linda McMahon, briefly posted on its website that her campaign research team had found video footage of the speech and provided the story to The Times.[102][103] After the Times story was published, Rasmussen Reports indicated that Blumenthal's lead over McMahon had shrunk to three percentage points.[104]Politico covered criticism of the Times, including from the left, which noted that Blumenthal had accurately described his military service record at the outset of his Norwalk speech by saying he had "served in the military during the Vietnam era in the Marine Corps". Politico also quoted Times editor Bill Keller writing that Blumenthal's introductory statement "does not contradict his later statement that he served ‘in Vietnam’".[105] Connecticut's The Day newspaper, meanwhile, stated that its staff could find no articles in its archives with any suggestion by Blumenthal that he had served in Vietnam but also noted the 2003 and 2008 occasions. It quoted Blumenthal defending his representation of his military service: "On a few occasions, I have misspoken about my service and I regret that. I take full responsibility, but I will not allow anyone to take a few misplaced words and impugn my record of military service."[102] Blumenthal's commanding officer in 1974 and 1975, Larry Baldino of Woodbridge, CT, addressed the misspeaking in a letter to the editor to the New Haven Register. Baldino opined that the misleading statement was too 'petty' to be the basis for supporting or not supporting Blumenthal. Baldino further portrayed Blumenthal as 'good natured' and described him as 'one of the best Marines with whom I ever worked'.[106]

It should be a spin-off, but the Wiki story was the left's story. It was perfectly replicated in a state that has no national Republican representatives at any federal level, and identifies as deep blue. And whose paper, as you can imagine, runs the same temp.

When the NYT runs a non op-ed and calls you a liar from the left, you have been lying, IMO.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/18/nyregion/18blumenthal.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

eta* I should really put these quotes here. From the NYT article.

“We have learned something important since the days that I served in Vietnam,” Mr. Blumenthal said to the group gathered in Norwalk in March 2008. “And you exemplify it. Whatever we think about the war, whatever we call it — Afghanistan or Iraq — we owe our military men and women unconditional support.”There was one problem: Mr. Blumenthal, a Democrat now running for the United States Senate, never served in Vietnam. He obtained at least five military deferments from 1965 to 1970 and took repeated steps that enabled him to avoid going to war, according to records...But what is striking about Mr. Blumenthal’s record is the contrast between the many steps he took that allowed him to avoid Vietnam, and the misleading way he often speaks about that period of his life now, especially when he is speaking at veterans’ ceremonies or other patriotic events. Sometimes his remarks have been plainly untrue, as in his speech to the group in Norwalk. At other times, he has used more ambiguous language, but the impression left on audiences can be similar...In 2003, he addressed a rally in Bridgeport, where about 100 military families gathered to express support for American troops overseas. “When we returned, we saw nothing like this,” Mr. Blumenthal said. “Let us do better by this generation of men and women.”...On a less serious matter, another flattering but untrue description of Mr. Blumenthal’s history has appeared in profiles about him. In two largely favorable profiles, the Slate article and a magazine article in The Hartford Courant in 2004 with which he cooperated, Mr. Blumenthal is described prominently as having served as captain of the swim team at Harvard. Records at the college show that he was never on the team.

 

[Koya]

This is really insane.

Yep.

Unprecedented.

Maybe this is our generations black sox incident... and by that I mean the moral perspective taking a far more prominent role, changing things moving forward as they have been in the past.

The guy that goes to the ends of the earth to unearth the cheating by the Pats and takes years of careers away for non-violent acts just misses this one? Who took a year from a coach and his team stating that "ignorance is not an excuse?"

Things gonna change 'round here. The game itself is too good, too popular, too powerful, too economically and culturally intertwined into our life, you know, like baseball had been the pastime for so long.

While this is hardly a parellel analogy, I do believe that sometimes there are chains of events so egregious in threatening the public trust in an institution (in this case sport), that not only will heads roll, but things are going to look just a little different on the other side.