Ray Rice's Domestic Abuse Presser Sends Wrong Message (1 Viewer)

[Sinn Fein]

Why does it matter to anyone, other than the players, who is the commissioner?

Saints fans care, for sure. We might be full of it, but the collective fan base down here feels like Roger Goodell capriciously robbed the Saints of one of their prime seasons during the Brees-led window of opportunity. The evidence always felt trumped up and tenuous, and he backtracked off the player suspensions quickly once a court case was imminent (Jonathan Vilma et al sued Goodell personally, and would have had their day in court).

The hope is that someone with a more finely-tuned moral compass will not cut down a team like that in the same manner. More generally, many don't want someone like that in charge of a competitive enterprise.

Absolutely. It was arbitrary, capricious, unfair and damned near slander and maybe more than that. It also affected the whole city because the Saints had a legit shot at a home town Super Bowl that year.

#neverforget

#pours40out

 

[Todd Andrews]

Why does it matter to anyone, other than the players, who is the commissioner?

Saints fans care, for sure. We might be full of it, but the collective fan base down here feels like Roger Goodell capriciously robbed the Saints of one of their prime seasons during the Brees-led window of opportunity. The evidence always felt trumped up and tenuous, and he backtracked off the player suspensions quickly once a court case was imminent (Jonathan Vilma et al sued Goodell personally, and would have had their day in court).

The hope is that someone with a more finely-tuned moral compass will not cut down a team like that in the same manner. More generally, many don't want someone like that in charge of a competitive enterprise.

Absolutely. It was arbitrary, capricious, unfair and damned near slander and maybe more than that. It also affected the whole city because the Saints had a legit shot at a home town Super Bowl that year.

Heinous shame. He also screwed my Redskins. So Goodell has burned both of my favorite teams badly. He should be tarred and feathered.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Why does it matter to anyone, other than the players, who is the commissioner?

Saints fans care, for sure. We might be full of it, but the collective fan base down here feels like Roger Goodell capriciously robbed the Saints of one of their prime seasons during the Brees-led window of opportunity. The evidence always felt trumped up and tenuous, and he backtracked off the player suspensions quickly once a court case was imminent (Jonathan Vilma et al sued Goodell personally, and would have had their day in court).

The hope is that someone with a more finely-tuned moral compass will not cut down a team like that in the same manner. More generally, many don't want someone like that in charge of a competitive enterprise.

Absolutely. It was arbitrary, capricious, unfair and damned near slander and maybe more than that. It also affected the whole city because the Saints had a legit shot at a home town Super Bowl that year.

Heinous shame. He also screwed my Redskins. So Goodell has burned both of my favorite teams badly. He should be tarred and feathered.

racist

:reported:

 

[Dexter]

I think if the video shows what we've heard it does -- once it gets leaked to the public that people are going to be pretty disgusted with the presser from last night and disgusted with the lesser charges he's getting.

You called it

 

[fatness]

Qwners are harrumphing their way towards getting rid of Goodell.

Though NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell continues to have the solid support of many of the league’s 32 owners, the group is prepared to act against Goodell, potentially considering his dismissal, if the investigation by former FBI director Robert S. Mueller III concludes that Goodell was guilty of willful and egregious misconduct in the handling of the Ray Rice case, several people familiar with owners’ views said Thursday.

An official with another NFL team who had been briefed on the views of the owner of his franchise said of that owner: “He supports the commissioner.” Asked what it would take for that owner’s support of Goodell to be withdrawn, the official said: “If the investigation concludes that the commissioner saw more and knew more than he has said, and he was not truthful about that to the clubs, things would change.”

According to that executive, owners would have little choice but to consider firing Goodell if Mueller’s report concludes that Goodell acted improperly in a significant way.

“The integrity of the league would have to be protected at a certain point,” the executive said, relating what he called the thoughts of that team’s owner. “The trust of the public would have to be maintained. But, again, that’s not the expectation here.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2014/09/11/owners-prepared-to-oust-roger-goodell-if-investigation-shows-egregious-misconduct/

 

[fatness]

oops lie

Ray Rice told NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on June 16 that he punched then-fiancee in a casino elevator, four sources have told "Outside the Lines," an assertion that contradicts Goodell's statement this week that "when we met with Ray Rice and his representatives, it was ambiguous about what actually happened."

Goodell made the statement Tuesday during an interview with CBS News, saying the latest video released by TMZ Sports about the incident was "inconsistent" with what the former Baltimore Ravens running back had told him. But four sources close to Rice say that during the disciplinary meeting in the commissioner's office on June 16, Rice told Goodell he had hit Janay Rice, then his fiancee, in the face inside a Revel Casino Hotel elevator in Atlantic City, New Jersey, and had knocked her unconscious.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Qwners are harrumphing their way towards getting rid of Goodell.

Though NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell continues to have the solid support of many of the league’s 32 owners, the group is prepared to act against Goodell, potentially considering his dismissal, if the investigation by former FBI director Robert S. Mueller III concludes that Goodell was guilty of willful and egregious misconduct in the handling of the Ray Rice case, several people familiar with owners’ views said Thursday.

An official with another NFL team who had been briefed on the views of the owner of his franchise said of that owner: “He supports the commissioner.” Asked what it would take for that owner’s support of Goodell to be withdrawn, the official said: “If the investigation concludes that the commissioner saw more and knew more than he has said, and he was not truthful about that to the clubs, things would change.”

According to that executive, owners would have little choice but to consider firing Goodell if Mueller’s report concludes that Goodell acted improperly in a significant way.

“The integrity of the league would have to be protected at a certain point,” the executive said, relating what he called the thoughts of that team’s owner. “The trust of the public would have to be maintained. But, again, that’s not the expectation here.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2014/09/11/owners-prepared-to-oust-roger-goodell-if-investigation-shows-egregious-misconduct/

Goodell has laid out his strategy:

1) Ray Rice lied to him in the meeting (not true and I expect Rice will sue the NFL and this will be proven)

2) He gave Rice light punishment for Janay (whoops!)

3) He never saw video and NFL didnt have video (I think that is a total lie)

I expect that Goodell is going to get badly burned in the end, but he is going to fight hard and his owner cronies (Mara, Rooney, Kraft, Biscotti, etc.) will do everything they can to help him.

 

[T Bell]

Espn hd right now has that old guy former gm of the colts... looks like a ghoul from fallout 3

http://deadspin.com/bill-polian-disagrees-with-bill-polians-insider-opinion-1633593081?rev=1410461754420&utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

That's just fascinating, innit?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Espn hd right now has that old guy former gm of the colts... looks like a ghoul from fallout 3

http://deadspin.com/bill-polian-disagrees-with-bill-polians-insider-opinion-1633593081?rev=1410461754420&utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

That's just fascinating, innit?

I'm wondering if there's an nfl guy on set or if he has to make a phone call.

 

[T Bell]

Espn hd right now has that old guy former gm of the colts... looks like a ghoul from fallout 3

http://deadspin.com/bill-polian-disagrees-with-bill-polians-insider-opinion-1633593081?rev=1410461754420&utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

That's just fascinating, innit?

I'm wondering if there's an nfl guy on set or if he has to make a phone call.

I'm thinking he GOT a phone call.

 

[Christo]

oops lie

Ray Rice told NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on June 16 that he punched then-fiancee in a casino elevator, four sources have told "Outside the Lines," an assertion that contradicts Goodell's statement this week that "when we met with Ray Rice and his representatives, it was ambiguous about what actually happened."

Goodell made the statement Tuesday during an interview with CBS News, saying the latest video released by TMZ Sports about the incident was "inconsistent" with what the former Baltimore Ravens running back had told him. But four sources close to Rice say that during the disciplinary meeting in the commissioner's office on June 16, Rice told Goodell he had hit Janay Rice, then his fiancee, in the face inside a Revel Casino Hotel elevator in Atlantic City, New Jersey, and had knocked her unconscious.

That particular statement doesn't contradict Goodell's statement. Even if Rice admitted hitting her and knocking her out his recitation of the entire event could still have been ambiguous. Hit doesn't necessarily mean punch. And he still could have been pushing the she asked for it angle--which she confirmed.

 

[T Bell]

oops lie

Ray Rice told NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on June 16 that he punched then-fiancee in a casino elevator, four sources have told "Outside the Lines," an assertion that contradicts Goodell's statement this week that "when we met with Ray Rice and his representatives, it was ambiguous about what actually happened."

Goodell made the statement Tuesday during an interview with CBS News, saying the latest video released by TMZ Sports about the incident was "inconsistent" with what the former Baltimore Ravens running back had told him. But four sources close to Rice say that during the disciplinary meeting in the commissioner's office on June 16, Rice told Goodell he had hit Janay Rice, then his fiancee, in the face inside a Revel Casino Hotel elevator in Atlantic City, New Jersey, and had knocked her unconscious.

That particular statement doesn't contradict Goodell's statement. Even if Rice admitted hitting her and knocking her out his recitation of the entire event could still have been ambiguous. Hit doesn't necessarily mean punch. And he still could have been pushing the she asked for it angle--which she confirmed.

If Rice told Goodell that he punched his fiancee, and Goodell had the exterior video showing her out cold, it doesn't take much math to figure out what the interior elevator video would show, right? This sounds like quibbling, which it is (by the commissioner).

 

[Christo]

oops lie

Ray Rice told NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on June 16 that he punched then-fiancee in a casino elevator, four sources have told "Outside the Lines," an assertion that contradicts Goodell's statement this week that "when we met with Ray Rice and his representatives, it was ambiguous about what actually happened."

Goodell made the statement Tuesday during an interview with CBS News, saying the latest video released by TMZ Sports about the incident was "inconsistent" with what the former Baltimore Ravens running back had told him. But four sources close to Rice say that during the disciplinary meeting in the commissioner's office on June 16, Rice told Goodell he had hit Janay Rice, then his fiancee, in the face inside a Revel Casino Hotel elevator in Atlantic City, New Jersey, and had knocked her unconscious.

That particular statement doesn't contradict Goodell's statement. Even if Rice admitted hitting her and knocking her out his recitation of the entire event could still have been ambiguous. Hit doesn't necessarily mean punch. And he still could have been pushing the she asked for it angle--which she confirmed.

If Rice told Goodell that he punched his fiancee, and Goodell had the exterior video showing her out cold, it doesn't take much math to figure out what the interior elevator video would show, right? This sounds like quibbling, which it is (by the commissioner).

That's not what it says

 

[T Bell]

oops lie

Ray Rice told NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on June 16 that he punched then-fiancee in a casino elevator, four sources have told "Outside the Lines," an assertion that contradicts Goodell's statement this week that "when we met with Ray Rice and his representatives, it was ambiguous about what actually happened."

Goodell made the statement Tuesday during an interview with CBS News, saying the latest video released by TMZ Sports about the incident was "inconsistent" with what the former Baltimore Ravens running back had told him. But four sources close to Rice say that during the disciplinary meeting in the commissioner's office on June 16, Rice told Goodell he had hit Janay Rice, then his fiancee, in the face inside a Revel Casino Hotel elevator in Atlantic City, New Jersey, and had knocked her unconscious.

That particular statement doesn't contradict Goodell's statement. Even if Rice admitted hitting her and knocking her out his recitation of the entire event could still have been ambiguous. Hit doesn't necessarily mean punch. And he still could have been pushing the she asked for it angle--which she confirmed.

If Rice told Goodell that he punched his fiancee, and Goodell had the exterior video showing her out cold, it doesn't take much math to figure out what the interior elevator video would show, right? This sounds like quibbling, which it is (by the commissioner).

That's not what it says

Let me help you out a little.

If Goodell's account is different than this, he's now got four people who say he's lying or at least minimizing. This ain't good news for him.

 

[Christo]

oops lie

Ray Rice told NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on June 16 that he punched then-fiancee in a casino elevator, four sources have told "Outside the Lines," an assertion that contradicts Goodell's statement this week that "when we met with Ray Rice and his representatives, it was ambiguous about what actually happened."

Goodell made the statement Tuesday during an interview with CBS News, saying the latest video released by TMZ Sports about the incident was "inconsistent" with what the former Baltimore Ravens running back had told him. But four sources close to Rice say that during the disciplinary meeting in the commissioner's office on June 16, Rice told Goodell he had hit Janay Rice, then his fiancee, in the face inside a Revel Casino Hotel elevator in Atlantic City, New Jersey, and had knocked her unconscious.

That particular statement doesn't contradict Goodell's statement. Even if Rice admitted hitting her and knocking her out his recitation of the entire event could still have been ambiguous. Hit doesn't necessarily mean punch. And he still could have been pushing the she asked for it angle--which she confirmed.

If Rice told Goodell that he punched his fiancee, and Goodell had the exterior video showing her out cold, it doesn't take much math to figure out what the interior elevator video would show, right? This sounds like quibbling, which it is (by the commissioner).

That's not what it says

Let me help you out a little.

If Goodell's account is different than this, he's now got four people who say he's lying or at least minimizing. This ain't good news for him.

How about you read the next paragraph where it says Rice told Goodell he "hit" Janay.

 

[Tom Servo]

oops lie

Ray Rice told NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on June 16 that he punched then-fiancee in a casino elevator, four sources have told "Outside the Lines," an assertion that contradicts Goodell's statement this week that "when we met with Ray Rice and his representatives, it was ambiguous about what actually happened."

Goodell made the statement Tuesday during an interview with CBS News, saying the latest video released by TMZ Sports about the incident was "inconsistent" with what the former Baltimore Ravens running back had told him. But four sources close to Rice say that during the disciplinary meeting in the commissioner's office on June 16, Rice told Goodell he had hit Janay Rice, then his fiancee, in the face inside a Revel Casino Hotel elevator in Atlantic City, New Jersey, and had knocked her unconscious.

That particular statement doesn't contradict Goodell's statement. Even if Rice admitted hitting her and knocking her out his recitation of the entire event could still have been ambiguous. Hit doesn't necessarily mean punch. And he still could have been pushing the she asked for it angle--which she confirmed.

If Rice told Goodell that he punched his fiancee, and Goodell had the exterior video showing her out cold, it doesn't take much math to figure out what the interior elevator video would show, right? This sounds like quibbling, which it is (by the commissioner).

That's not what it says

Let me help you out a little.

If Goodell's account is different than this, he's now got four people who say he's lying or at least minimizing. This ain't good news for him.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Christo is right here - there is a lot of room between Rice saying he punched her with an open fist, after she attacked Rice, and knocked her into the railing, knocking her out - and what was shown in the video.

Maybe its just me, but Goodell has made a metric ####-ton of money as commissioner - if he really thought he ####ed up here, he'd fall on his sword and walk away. Love him or hate him, he does not think he has done anything wrong other than not get all the facts before issuing the suspension. He is not acting like someone who has intentionally misled anyone here.

He may have been incompetent in the investigation, but I doubt it was a willful coverup, or that he is lying about it now.

 

[Christo]

As a matter of fact, the source's quote says "hit" not punched.

"Ray didn't lie to the commissioner," a source with knowledge of the meeting told "Outside the Lines." "He told the full truth to Goodell -- he made it clear he had hit her, and he told Goodell he was sorry and that it wouldn't happen again."

 

[Christo]

And

a fifth source with knowledge of the meeting said Rice told Goodell he had "slapped" his fiancee.

 

[Christo]

That's kind of ambiguous.

 

[Christo]

 

[Todd Andrews]

All the more reason to get the video....

 

[Christo]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

 

[Koya]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Yeah, that sounds kosher.

Curious what the meaning of 'ask' was

 

[timschochet]

Just had a meeting with an attorney who specializes in workman's comp cases against the NFL. He represents a number of players, mostly 2nd and 3rd teamers on the Chargers, Raiders, Cardinals, and 49ers. (I'm possibly helping him look to buy an office building.)

Anyhow, we started talking about Goodell and he guaranteed me that Goodell would never be fired or forced to resign over this. "It won't happen", he said. Obviously it's one guy's opinion, so take it for what it's worth, but it's from a guy who spent the last several years in lawsuits against the NFL.

 

[Bucky86]

@ the interviews of the people wearing Rice's jersey. I'm convinced their combined IQ is less than 27.

ETA: The chunky lady is exhibit A on who defense attorneys want on a jury.

 

[comfortably numb]

Just had a meeting with an attorney who specializes in workman's comp cases against the NFL. He represents a number of players, mostly 2nd and 3rd teamers on the Chargers, Raiders, Cardinals, and 49ers. (I'm possibly helping him look to buy an office building.)

Anyhow, we started talking about Goodell and he guaranteed me that Goodell would never be fired or forced to resign over this. "It won't happen", he said. Obviously it's one guy's opinion, so take it for what it's worth, but it's from a guy who spent the last several years in lawsuits against the NFL.

Thanks for the tip. I'm gonna start goodell this weekend with confidence.

 

[Todd Andrews]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Your dim bulb is getting dimmer.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Yeah, that sounds kosher.

Curious what the meaning of 'ask' was

Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither TMZ nor the supposed video received by the NFL was obtained from the casino's management, or law enforcement (in an official capacity), or the prosecutors office.

 

[Christo]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Your dim bulb is getting dimmer.

 

[Christo]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Yeah, that sounds kosher.

Curious what the meaning of 'ask' was

Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither TMZ nor the supposed video received by the NFL was obtained from the casino's management, or law enforcement (in an official capacity), or the prosecutors office.

What's your point?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Yeah, that sounds kosher.

Curious what the meaning of 'ask' was

Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither TMZ nor the supposed video received by the NFL was obtained from the casino's management, or law enforcement (in an official capacity), or the prosecutors office.

What's your point?

That assuming the statement was factually correct, it is not like that all it took was "really" asking to get the video.

 

[Christo]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Yeah, that sounds kosher.

Curious what the meaning of 'ask' was

Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither TMZ nor the supposed video received by the NFL was obtained from the casino's management, or law enforcement (in an official capacity), or the prosecutors office.

What's your point?

That assuming the statement was factually correct, it is not like that all it took was "really" asking to get the video.

So they were just supposed to wait until someone leaked it?

 

[avoiding injuries]

Rice named his daughter Rayven.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Yeah, that sounds kosher.

Curious what the meaning of 'ask' was

Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither TMZ nor the supposed video received by the NFL was obtained from the casino's management, or law enforcement (in an official capacity), or the prosecutors office.

What's your point?

That assuming the statement was factually correct, it is not like that all it took was "really" asking to get the video.

So they were just supposed to wait until someone leaked it?

No, according to their statements they asked for help from Giants and the Jets and when that failed their efforts ended - mainly because they (as they said) started to believe what they wanted to believe.

 

[Koya]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Yeah, that sounds kosher.

Curious what the meaning of 'ask' was

Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither TMZ nor the supposed video received by the NFL was obtained from the casino's management, or law enforcement (in an official capacity), or the prosecutors office.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard on radio or some 'legit'-ish media that there were about 30 Revel security staff who watched the video and statements to the fact that the recording could easily been obtained if it was even somewhat wanted, not to say REALLY wanted.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Yeah, that sounds kosher.

Curious what the meaning of 'ask' was

Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither TMZ nor the supposed video received by the NFL was obtained from the casino's management, or law enforcement (in an official capacity), or the prosecutors office.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard on radio or some 'legit'-ish media that there were about 30 Revel security staff who watched the video and statements to the fact that the recording could easily been obtained if it was even somewhat wanted, not to say REALLY wanted.

I don't know what you heard on the radio.

ETA: And I'm also not sure how kosher it would be to use video "stolen" by an employee of the casino (or whoever provided the security). Maybe that would be OK to use this as evidence against Rice if they were so inclined, but the team admits that they were giving Rice every benefit of the doubt so I don't think they would be inclined to seek stolen property,

 

[Billy Bats]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Yeah, that sounds kosher.

Curious what the meaning of 'ask' was

Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither TMZ nor the supposed video received by the NFL was obtained from the casino's management, or law enforcement (in an official capacity), or the prosecutors office.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard on radio or some 'legit'-ish media that there were about 30 Revel security staff who watched the video and statements to the fact that the recording could easily been obtained if it was even somewhat wanted, not to say REALLY wanted.

This is what I heard, and that the NFL never asked the Revel for any video. This is why Goodell emphasized during that sham of an interview on Tuesday that they only asked the police for the video because they're the most credible/reliable.

 

[Koya]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Yeah, that sounds kosher.

Curious what the meaning of 'ask' was

Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither TMZ nor the supposed video received by the NFL was obtained from the casino's management, or law enforcement (in an official capacity), or the prosecutors office.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard on radio or some 'legit'-ish media that there were about 30 Revel security staff who watched the video and statements to the fact that the recording could easily been obtained if it was even somewhat wanted, not to say REALLY wanted.

I don't know what you heard on the radio.

ETA: And I'm also not sure how kosher it would be to use video "stolen" by an employee of the casino (or whoever provided the security). Maybe that would be OK to use this as evidence against Rice if they were so inclined, but the team admits that they were giving Rice every benefit of the doubt so I don't think they would be inclined to seek stolen property,

Why do you jump to the conclusion that said property (the video) would be stolen? Seems to be quite a jump to make.

Also, what about, I don't know... Interviews with said 30 security staff and realize, oh ####, we need to dig deeper than relying on the word of an abject abuser and a wife who "supports" him, but by most objective accounts is likely suffering from battered wife syndrome?

I think the team and ESPECIALLY the league really wanted to give Rice every benefit, as they realized more and more that not doing so could open a MAJOR can of worms.

I dont think this ends at rice. I do believe a more broad conversation / recognition now comes into focus about the NFL and Domestic Abuse.

And goodness knows where that may lead.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Yeah, that sounds kosher.

Curious what the meaning of 'ask' was

Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither TMZ nor the supposed video received by the NFL was obtained from the casino's management, or law enforcement (in an official capacity), or the prosecutors office.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard on radio or some 'legit'-ish media that there were about 30 Revel security staff who watched the video and statements to the fact that the recording could easily been obtained if it was even somewhat wanted, not to say REALLY wanted.

I don't know what you heard on the radio.

ETA: And I'm also not sure how kosher it would be to use video "stolen" by an employee of the casino (or whoever provided the security). Maybe that would be OK to use this as evidence against Rice if they were so inclined, but the team admits that they were giving Rice every benefit of the doubt so I don't think they would be inclined to seek stolen property,

Why do you jump to the conclusion that said property (the video) would be stolen? Seems to be quite a jump to make.

Also, what about, I don't know... Interviews with said 30 security staff and realize, oh ####, we need to dig deeper than relying on the word of an abject abuser and a wife who "supports" him, but by most objective accounts is likely suffering from battered wife syndrome?

I think the team and ESPECIALLY the league really wanted to give Rice every benefit, as they realized more and more that not doing so could open a MAJOR can of worms.

I dont think this ends at rice. I do believe a more broad conversation / recognition now comes into focus about the NFL and Domestic Abuse.

And goodness knows where that may lead.

The Ravens' owner flat out states that they gave Rice every benefit of the doubt and that they thought Rice had earned that. They were wrong with the facts, wrong with their willingness to stop investigating, but I'm not going to agree that they were wrong thinking the best of someone they knew until they couldn't. I'm not sure that the NFL had quite the same relationship with Rice so I think their reasoning might be different. Maybe for the reason you say.

And if an employee of the casino provided the Ravens a copy of the video "stolen" might not be the legally correct word, but it is close enough. Or, are you saying that the casino would have been willing to release a copy? Maybe the Ravens are lying about this, but if so they have dragged the Jets and the Giants into this claiming to ask for their help with the same dead end.

 

[Guest]

Real issue here is tone deafness. World evolves. NFL's views on player health and treatment of women don't. Goodell is a caveman and the league needs to evolve too or lose sponsors.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Real issue here is tone deafness. World evolves. NFL's views on player health and treatment of women don't. Goodell is a caveman and the league needs to evolve too or lose sponsors.

And along the same lines this isn't the first half the twentieth century where the media can be counted on to hush this up.

 

[parasaurolophus]

oops lie

Ray Rice told NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on June 16 that he punched then-fiancee in a casino elevator, four sources have told "Outside the Lines," an assertion that contradicts Goodell's statement this week that "when we met with Ray Rice and his representatives, it was ambiguous about what actually happened."

Goodell made the statement Tuesday during an interview with CBS News, saying the latest video released by TMZ Sports about the incident was "inconsistent" with what the former Baltimore Ravens running back had told him. But four sources close to Rice say that during the disciplinary meeting in the commissioner's office on June 16, Rice told Goodell he had hit Janay Rice, then his fiancee, in the face inside a Revel Casino Hotel elevator in Atlantic City, New Jersey, and had knocked her unconscious.

That particular statement doesn't contradict Goodell's statement. Even if Rice admitted hitting her and knocking her out his recitation of the entire event could still have been ambiguous. Hit doesn't necessarily mean punch. And he still could have been pushing the she asked for it angle--which she confirmed.

If Rice told Goodell that he punched his fiancee, and Goodell had the exterior video showing her out cold, it doesn't take much math to figure out what the interior elevator video would show, right? This sounds like quibbling, which it is (by the commissioner).

So what you are saying is that the video that came out this week doesnt matter at all, right? Perhaps you did, but did you call for his head back in may? I mean it was obvious and there was no wiggle room right?

 

[fatness]

That video was like Ebola. The league didn't want to see it. The Ravens didn't want to see it.

“Of course we knew that there was other video and our security did the steps that they normally would,” Bisciotti told James Brown of CBS.

“They called the casino and they would not release it. They called the Jets and the Giants and said, ‘Do you have any influence, is there any way that you can help us?’ They called back and said, ‘No, that they would not release it.’ The prosecutor said yesterday that would have been illegal. If I had said to Ray [Rice] and his attorney, ‘I can’t keep you on this team until I see that tape,’ I would have seen the tape and I would have sent it to Roger [Goodell] and said, ‘You have to look at this tape before you render your decision.'”

For reasons still not known, Bisciotti didn’t ask for the tape. No one asked for the tape.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

 

[fatness]

NFL finally contacts casino according to TMZ.

To find out who leaked the video.

NFL officials belatedly contacted the Revel Casino Wednesday ... attempting to find out if someone sent the Ray Rice elevator attack video to a League official back in April.

We're told the NFL is trying to find who was in a position to send a video to the League.

Sources familiar with the internal investigation tell TMZ ... the NFL was told casino employees burned 3 DVDs for distribution shortly after the incident. One DVD was burned for the Risk Management department at the Casino.

A second DVD was burned for Casino Security Investigations. We're told this DVD was supposed to be forwarded to local police.

As for the third DVD ... it's curious. We're told it went to a state law enforcement agency. Our sources would not reveal which agency or why the State of New Jersey was involved.

Our sources say just before the casino closed down ... the original version -- not the dub -- was sent over to Risk Management so it could be secured. We're told the risk manager who had received the first copy had left the casino, so her replacement received the original. We do not know if the replacement ever got the dub her predecessor received.

We're told the NFL contacted the casino Wednesday AFTER a report surfaced that someone at the NFL received a DVD back in April.

 

[fatness]

Goodell said Tuesday he did not contact the Revel Casino because it was his understanding "the casino is prohibited from turning over material to a third party during a law enforcement proceeding" -- namely the criminal case against Rice.

But Paul Loriquet, the Director of Communications for the New Jersey Attorney General, tells TMZ bluntly, "No, it's not illegal."

To be clear ... our question was very specific: "Is it illegal for the casino to show or provide this material to a private entity in an ongoing investigation." His answer, "No, it's not illegal."

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/10/roger-goodell-video-casino-ray-rice/

 

[Koya]

Curiouser and curiouser.

 

[Guest]

I think the pertinent issue here that will move things along is that in light of all of this, America should really be asking, "Why is there an anti-trust exemption again?" for a league that injurs our boys, relegates our girls to backseat cheerleaders and minimizes violence towards women? Roger Goodell has me asking some very uncomfortable questions.

 

[McGarnicle]

Rice named his daughter Rayven.

I predict next year he changes it to Rayder.

 

[otello]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/09/11/will-sponsors-and-women-desert-the-nfl-over-roger-goodells-handling-of-ray-rice-video-controversy/