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RB Alvin Kamara, NO (4 Viewers)

Until I hear that he has cleared protocol all the in between #### means nothing to me. He can say he thinks he's going to play but it's not up to him. I am cautiously optimistic however. 

 
(RotoWire) Kamara (concussion) practiced fully Wednesday, Josh Katzenstein of The New Orleans Times-Picayune reports.

Analysis: After suffering a concussion last Thursday in Atlanta, Kamara first tweeted and then outright stated he wouldn't miss any time, per Katzenstein. An uninhibited session Wednesday is a step in the right direction, but such a development doesn't mean Kamara has emerged from the protocol for head injuries. Until he gains clearance from an independent neurologist, he won't be allowed to suit up Sunday versus the Jets. That said, Kamara has plenty of time to pass this final hurdle.

 
ahartig said:
So..... does that mean he cleared?  Didn't Ertz practice fully last week but was never cleared?
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It reads as though he's back to baseline and everyone involved, including the independent consultant, signed off on him being ready to practice/play.  He then logged a full practice - the penultimate hurdle - and will be evaluated again.  I'm not sure about the Ertz story, so I could be off, but it sounds like a formality at this point.  That said, some of the practice/play language is kind of tricky.  

 
Eventually word will get around that a full practice followed by no recurring symptoms is (one of?) the final steps in the protocol and stop being confused by the timing of these reports...

 
ZWK said:
This is what Danny Trevathan was suspended for earlier this year, right? Davante Adams was a runner, not a defenseless receiver - he had taken several steps after catching the ball, broken one tackle, and was trying to fight through the safety's tackle - when Trevathan came flying in with the crown of his helmet and hit Adams in the head. Trevathan got a 15 yard penalty and a suspension for it.
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Once Adams forward progress was stopped, he was considered defenseless.  Trevathans hit came after that point.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/913743289123295233/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportingnews.com%2Fnfl%2Fnews%2Fdavante-adams-injury-update-packers-danny-trevathan-bears-helmet-to-helmet%2Fccde8rg05aww1tds2ri5rp3ay

Quickly ducks out of thread before getting yelled at yet again about rules semantics.

 
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treat88 said:
ZWK said:
This is what Danny Trevathan was suspended for earlier this year, right? Davante Adams was a runner, not a defenseless receiver - he had taken several steps after catching the ball, broken one tackle, and was trying to fight through the safety's tackle - when Trevathan came flying in with the crown of his helmet and hit Adams in the head. Trevathan got a 15 yard penalty and a suspension for it.
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Once Adams forward progress was stopped, he was considered defenseless.  Trevathans hit came after that point.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/913743289123295233/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportingnews.com%2Fnfl%2Fnews%2Fdavante-adams-injury-update-packers-danny-trevathan-bears-helmet-to-helmet%2Fccde8rg05aww1tds2ri5rp3ay

Quickly ducks out of thread before getting yelled at yet again about rules semantics.
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Oh, I hadn't realized that. Apparently it is in the rules that one type of player who counts as defenseless is "A runner already in the grasp of a tackler and whose forward progress has been stopped." I'm surprised that I didn't see that come up in discussion of the Trevathan hit.

 
ahartig said:
So..... does that mean he cleared?  Didn't Ertz practice fully last week but was never cleared?
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Josh Katzenstein‏Verified account @jkatzenstein 9h9 hours ago

Alvin Kamara and Senio Kelemete both practiced fully today, which is the final hurdle of the concussion protocol, so they've been cleared. #Saints

 
Alvin Kamara - RB - Saints

Saints coach Sean Payton said he expects Alvin Kamara (concussion) to play Week 15 against the Jets.

Kamara expects the same after getting in a full practice Wednesday, saying he is "good to go." The Saints have ridden the running game hard during their wins this season, and they are 16-point home favorites over the Jets. That means both Kamara and Mark Ingram should get more than their fair share of touches. Both are top-five fantasy options.

Source: Josh Katzenstein on Twitter

Dec 14 - 9:53 AM

 
Anybody riding him in an MFL10?  I don't remember knowing much about him back then but I somehow wound up with both Ingram and Kamara on my biggest entry.

I have a 60 point lead with 2 weeks to go. Lets go.

 
menobrown said:
Josh Katzenstein‏Verified account @jkatzenstein 9h9 hours ago

Alvin Kamara and Senio Kelemete both practiced fully today, which is the final hurdle of the concussion protocol, so they've been cleared. #Saints
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That's not accurate and does not necessarily mean they have been cleared.

 
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I absolutely LOVE the evolution this thread has taken in 8 months from "meh i'll pass he doesn't pass the eye test" to "OMG first rounder overall startup PPR dyno!!!"

some folks were saying he: (looked slow and lacked burst and goes down first hit and takes everything outside) but if you would've listened you would've known in JUNE!!! that this wasn't the case

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/755479-dynasty-redraft-rb-alvin-kamara-saints/?page=2#comment-20217909

and

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/755479-dynasty-redraft-rb-alvin-kamara-saints/?page=2#comment-20218547

I LOVED non-Tennessee Vol fans arguing with me in the thread (and if you know me you know I have never pumped up a Vol who I thought would not make an NFL impact).  Sometimes it pays to listen to folk who watched a player every snap.  Also don't forget he was a 5 star recruit by Alabama so it is not like he is a diamond in the rough, he has been good forever.  As for the ONE reason to doubt ... "Why didn't he play over Hurd?" ... that is a legitimate concern, but you see all the smart moves that Butch Jones made over the last few years right? /sarcasm

and of course I put my money where my mouth is, here is prediction of where they would finish THIS year (i slipped Kamara into the guys question because he obviously had a brain fart while listing who HE thought were the top 4)

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/757070-fournette-vs-mccaffery-vs-mixon-vs-cook-edited/?page=3#comment-20236136

anyways, hope he stays healthy as that is his only Waterloo

*separates shoulder patting self on back*  :P

 
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Alvin Kamara produced 43 yards on 11 carries while adding four catches for 62 yards and a touchdown on seven targets Sunday in the Saints' Divisional Round loss to the Vikings.

He out-touched backfield-mate Mark Ingram 15-11 including 10-3 in the second half. Kamara looked like he was shot out of a cannon on every touch and made a sensational leaping catch over Eric Kendricks for a 14-yard touchdown with 3:01 remaining in the fourth quarter. That put New Orleans ahead by one, though the Vikings would eventually end the Saints' season on a walk-off touchdown by Stefon Diggs. The 22-year-old dominated in 2017, finishing the regular season with 13 touchdowns while leading all running backs in receiving yards. The likely Rookie of the Year should be a top-five running back option in fantasy drafts next summer.

Jan 14 - 8:43 PM
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NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports the Saints were planning to make Alvin Kamara their "featured" back even before Mark Ingram's four-game suspension.

It's hardly a surprise. As Fantasy Guru's Graham Barfield points out, Kamara out-snapped Ingram over the Saints' final eight games last season. What Ingram's suspension does is give Kamara a chance to put a stranglehold on lead duties, perhaps erasing the 1A/1B workload delineation that existed last year. Ingram is headed into a contract season, and the Saints will probably be preparing to move on. Kamara will be well worth a first-round pick in this summer's fantasy drafts.

Related: Mark Ingram

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter 

May 8 - 4:48 PM
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Any Kamara owners targeting Ingram now that he can be grabbed later d/t the suspension? I think I would be alright rolling out both of them on most Sundays. 

 
Elevencents said:
Any Kamara owners targeting Ingram now that he can be grabbed later d/t the suspension? I think I would be alright rolling out both of them on most Sundays. 
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Kamara owner in 4 leagues and after some initial feelers for Ingram I'm not bothering.  His owners expect the moon and I wouldn't bother.  I don't think he'll even be used a lot when he does return.  I'm picking up Jonathon Williams everywhere and expecting him to get a lot of play the first 4 games.  Ingram's got 1 or maybe 2 years left.  I don't see the Saints keeping him around.  

 
Prinefan said:
Kamara owner in 4 leagues and after some initial feelers for Ingram I'm not bothering.  His owners expect the moon and I wouldn't bother.  I don't think he'll even be used a lot when he does return.  I'm picking up Jonathon Williams everywhere and expecting him to get a lot of play the first 4 games.  Ingram's got 1 or maybe 2 years left.  I don't see the Saints keeping him around.  
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Plus the spectre.of a much larger suspension always looms over ingram now

 
Elevencents said:
Any Kamara owners targeting Ingram now that he can be grabbed later d/t the suspension? I think I would be alright rolling out both of them on most Sundays. 
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If the price is cheap, then sure.  But I doubt that you will get him cheap enough to make it worthwhile.  As bicycle_seat_sniffer said, you have to be concerned about another longer suspension.  And if Jonathon Williams does a good job complementing Kamara, then there's no guarantee Ingram will get his usual workload.

 
Graham Barfield‏@GrahamBarfield

This probably one of my favorite stats of all-time… #Saints RBs year-end rank in total PPR points since Drew Brees became the starting QB:

2006 - 2nd

2007 - 4th

2008 - 1st

2009 - 2nd

2010 - 11th

2011 - 1st

2012 - 1st

2013 - 2nd

2014 - 1st

2015 - 2nd

2016 - 1st

2017 - 1st

10:57 AM - 6 Jun 2018

 
zeeshan2 said:
Graham Barfield‏@GrahamBarfield

This probably one of my favorite stats of all-time… #Saints RBs year-end rank in total PPR points since Drew Brees became the starting QB:

2006 - 2nd

2007 - 4th

2008 - 1st

2009 - 2nd

2010 - 11th

2011 - 1st

2012 - 1st

2013 - 2nd

2014 - 1st

2015 - 2nd

2016 - 1st

2017 - 1st

10:57 AM - 6 Jun 2018
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are we sure this is accurate?  did a quick search on pfr and see Bush as number 9 in 2006 and no NOR RB in the top 6 in 2007.

 
Saints are usually top 3 in pass attempts to RB's every year, of course they will constantly rank as one of the top overall RB production teams in PPR.

Ingram had one suspension in his life for a PED he thought he could take. That does not suddenly make him a major long term suspension risk.

 
I posted some stats like that earlier in the thread.

ZWK said:
In PPR leagues, New Orleans has had a fantasy RB1 in 2016 (Ingram), 2015 (Ingram), 2012 (Sproles), 2011 (Sproles), 2007 (Bush), and 2006 (Bush). So, about every other year. In Sean Payton's 11 seasons they've had 16 fantasy starter RB seasons (top 24 PPR RB: Ingram 3 times, Thomas 5 times, Sproles 3 times, Bush 4 times, McAllister 1 time). They can support more than one RB because they throw it to their RBs so much, and the guy who catches passes is a pretty safe bet.
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ZWK said:
Since Sean Payton took over the Saints in 2006, there have been 37 RB seasons with 4+ receptions per game (min 8 games). 10 of the 37 were Saints RBs (Ingram 1 time, Thomas 2 times, Sproles 3 times, and Bush 4 times).
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Add Kamara & Ingram 2017 to the RB1 list (bringing it up to 8 Saints RB1s in 12 seasons), and add Kamara (plus 6 non-Saints) to the 4+ receptions per game club.

 
zeeshan2 said:
Graham Barfield‏@GrahamBarfield

This probably one of my favorite stats of all-time… #Saints RBs year-end rank in total PPR points since Drew Brees became the starting QB:

2006 - 2nd

2007 - 4th

2008 - 1st

2009 - 2nd

2010 - 11th

2011 - 1st

2012 - 1st

2013 - 2nd

2014 - 1st

2015 - 2nd

2016 - 1st

2017 - 1st

10:57 AM - 6 Jun 2018
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Wow.  How have I not seen this before?

 
ZWK said:
I posted some stats like that earlier in the thread.

Add Kamara & Ingram 2017 to the RB1 list (bringing it up to 8 Saints RB1s in 12 seasons), and add Kamara (plus 6 non-Saints) to the 4+ receptions per game club.
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Ah I am sorry to step on your toes then

 
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