Still plenty of heart and determination in stock though.The Joique store called and they're all out of talent.
Doesn't matter.Still plenty of heart and determination in stock though.The Joique store called and they're all out of talent.
I'll take the field all day every day on that.Doesn't matter.Still plenty of heart and determination in stock though.The Joique store called and they're all out of talent.
Easy pick for offensive rookie of the year as well.
Yea, hype train here we go. I see Gio 2.0 - Bell will vulture all goal-line work. Abduhllah over/under on TDS - 4.I'll take the field all day every day on that.Doesn't matter.Still plenty of heart and determination in stock though.The Joique store called and they're all out of talent.
Easy pick for offensive rookie of the year as well.
Well, for me, because he's been the best GL back at Nebraska for the last 3 years (and his backup was 6' 235lbs). He's short, but he's built like a truck for his size, he gets incredibly low, he's got incredible balance, his vision is top notch, and he never stops driving for more yards.Forgive me, as I'm sure this has been discussed in the prior ten pages, but even if the kid wins the starting job (certainly a reasonable expectation), why do we think Bell won't retain the hammer role inside the 5?
CHOOCHOOO! I'm thinking of him as a solid FLEX or RB3 in PPR, with RB2 potential. High upside, even more so in dynasty.Yea, hype train here we go. I see Gio 2.0 - Bell will vulture all goal-line work. Abduhllah over/under on TDS - 4.I'll take the field all day every day on that.Doesn't matter.Still plenty of heart and determination in stock though.The Joique store called and they're all out of talent.
Easy pick for offensive rookie of the year as well.
+1There's definitely a role for this guy but you don't want to see him become another Jahvid Best, Steve Slaton, or David Wilson.
There's also this video of every TD he scored in all 4 years in college. Good amount of GL and redzone work.Part of the reason I've been so confident in my own opinion of Abdullah is how much Waldman agreed with it. Big fan of the RSP. Were you listening to the DLF podcast?Was thinking the same thing. I have the utmost respect for Waldman's analysis of RB's and his effusive praise for Abdullah caught my attention. I was already a fan of his talent and landing spot, so his comments pushed me over the edge. I fully expect his value to go up as we get closer to August.Waldman seems really high on him on the podcast.
A few videos / plays for a lazy Saturday morning:
Some might remember Nebraska sneaking out a win at home vs Northwestern on a Hail Mary to end the game. However, that play never happens unless Ameer converts a 4th & 15 on a poorly thrown ball against 3 defenders.
One of my favorite plays of his from last season is still this ~9 yard run up the middle against Miami. Abdullah gets small and slips through a tight gap between C/RG and only gets a couple of yards before he's met by #6 Jamal Carter (6'2, 210lb 4* soph. safety) and #52 Denzel Perryman (2015 NFL 2nd round pick). Ameer stops on a dime, absorbs them with his arm/thigh and pops back with a jump cut to the outside before stiff arming his way to a few extra yards. Later in the game, he'd worn Miami's defense out enough to do this.
Then there's this gem of balance from his sophomore year (though he stopped running like that to some degree, too many fumbles contorting like that).
I'll end with a short interview detailing where he's from and his motivation to become a RB.
Bonus interview after the team nearly lost to McNeese State. Good example of why you saw those reports about high character grades.
Daniel Jeremiah ✔@MoveTheSticks
The Ameer Abdullah hype is warranted. Vision, quickness, strength and toughness...perfect fit for Lions offense too.
10:42 PM - 13 Aug 2015 · Selden, NY, United States
Lol, I'll pass3rd round ADP in competitive leagues once the preseason is over.
If he can make plays like that usage won't be a problem. They will get him on the field.That's issue #1. Bell is a proven commodity.The problem with him will be usage. Fantasy guys are going to want more touches than lions will give him.
How do you rank the rookie RBs after Gurley and Gordon?I've now seen all his runs from the game & nothing has changed about my evaluation. Nothing was likely to change with a few caries or even all of preseason. The regular season is the test. It's easy to get fooled in preseason. It doesn't mean certain prospects can't vault up your rankings in preseason, especially prospects who come out of nowhere (like Victor Cruz), but with a guy like Abdullah, my evaluation will likely stay pretty static during the preseason.
Can he have longterm success with his upright lateral move? Another concern I have is he's pretty much a one-trick pony with his quickness. He seems to have good vision, but he's not a big tackle breaker & not a home run hitter (despite the long run). I've liked smaller RBs coming out of college. They have a little bit of a disadvantage, but those guys can still be studs. I was high on both Charles & CJ coming out, but they have some attributes Abdullah doesn't possess.
I didn't take Abdullah off my board in dynasty drafts. I often do that with guys I'm sure will bust no matter how far they fall. I'd take Abdullah with the right pick, but I knew I'd likely never get him once his ADP was established. My overall general strategy is to try to hit on feature backs, #1 WRs, etc. I've been very successful doing that, but you typically pass up safer players with that strategy. I think Abdullah is a pretty safe bet to be a productive FF RB in PPR leagues as long as his situation holds up, but we're talking about another level entirely when people start calling him a stud.
It doesn't mean Abdullah can't be a stud, it just means there are too many unanswered questions for me to take him around his ADP (mostly talking dynasty here). Just the simple fact he may very well not be a GL back for much of his career is enough to have pause to not call him a potential stud. Some smaller guys can excel around the GL, but that's a huge projection for Abdullah right now. He can make up some of the potential point loss in PPR leagues if he's used enough in the passing game, but it would help if he had home run ability if he's not going to be a GL back. I simply have a lot of reservations about the stud call at this time.
Like Gordon in San Diego ?The problem with him will be usage. Fantasy guys are going to want more touches than lions will give him.
I'm leaning toward this. I had Joique Bell in a few leagues last year and I was incredibly frustrated down the stretch. He simply looked like he had no burst ... and I mean absolutely no burst. Maybe it was injuries ... maybe he somehow found a way to get out of shape in the middle of an NFL season ... I don't really know. I just know he looked like an over the hill back who couldn't hit the hole hard any more. I'm curious to see what he looks like this season but unfortunately, if I wait for that, my drafts will all be done.The Joique store called and they're all out of talent.
Great post. I'm a big AA fan but I think projecting him as a stud is betting on his absolute ceiling and possibly a ceiling that isn't even that high.I've now seen all his runs from the game & nothing has changed about my evaluation. Nothing was likely to change with a few caries or even all of preseason. The regular season is the test. It's easy to get fooled in preseason. It doesn't mean certain prospects can't vault up your rankings in preseason, especially prospects who come out of nowhere (like Victor Cruz), but with a guy like Abdullah, my evaluation will likely stay pretty static during the preseason.
Can he have longterm success with his upright lateral move? Another concern I have is he's pretty much a one-trick pony with his quickness. He seems to have good vision, but he's not a big tackle breaker & not a home run hitter (despite the long run). I've liked smaller RBs coming out of college. They have a little bit of a disadvantage, but those guys can still be studs. I was high on both Charles & CJ coming out, but they have some attributes Abdullah doesn't possess.
I didn't take Abdullah off my board in dynasty drafts. I often do that with guys I'm sure will bust no matter how far they fall. I'd take Abdullah with the right pick, but I knew I'd likely never get him once his ADP was established. My overall general strategy is to try to hit on feature backs, #1 WRs, etc. I've been very successful doing that, but you typically pass up safer players with that strategy. I think Abdullah is a pretty safe bet to be a productive FF RB in PPR leagues as long as his situation holds up, but we're talking about another level entirely when people start calling him a stud.
It doesn't mean Abdullah can't be a stud, it just means there are too many unanswered questions for me to take him around his ADP (mostly talking dynasty here). Just the simple fact he may very well not be a GL back for much of his career is enough to have pause to not call him a potential stud. Some smaller guys can excel around the GL, but that's a huge projection for Abdullah right now. He can make up some of the potential point loss in PPR leagues if he's used enough in the passing game, but it would help if he had home run ability if he's not going to be a GL back. I simply have a lot of reservations about the stud call at this time.
If he's going at 2.12 or higher in your draft, that should make you happy - better fantasy players are falling to you. I'm not bashing Abdullah at all, as I'd love to have him on a dynasty roster, but even his most adamant supporters can't be expecting second round fantasy production during his rookie season while splitting that backfield with Joique Bell. Bell is better than he's being given credit for and a grinder type back is a valuable asset in the way this offense is run.I should have done more drafts a few weeks ago, he just went at 2.12 in an FFPC slow draft I am doing. The ADP may be rising to a point where you can't really get a lot of value out of him.
Agreed, I'd love it if he went in the second round of my leagues. That near RB1 price and many will be drafting him as their RB1 I'd they take him in the second. Too many top tier players are still on the board at that point.If he's going at 2.12 or higher in your draft, that should make you happy - better fantasy players are falling to you. I'm not bashing Abdullah at all, as I'd love to have him on a dynasty roster, but even his most adamant supporters can't be expecting second round fantasy production during his rookie season while splitting that backfield with Joique Bell. Bell is better than he's being given credit for and a grinder type back is a valuable asset in the way this offense is run.I should have done more drafts a few weeks ago, he just went at 2.12 in an FFPC slow draft I am doing. The ADP may be rising to a point where you can't really get a lot of value out of him.
He looked great on those three runs - but no one should be getting carried too far away yet.
MCL sprain against Purdue in '14 knocked him out of the game. He was back next game and played through it with a brace until the USC game. Other than that, nothing that I can remember. No concussion history or major knee issues.What was his college career like? Any injuries?
As a 'Braska fan, what's your prognostication for Ameer this season in redraft leagues?MCL sprain against Purdue in '14 knocked him out of the game. He was back next game and played through it with a brace until the USC game. Other than that, nothing that I can remember. No concussion history or major knee issues.What was his college career like? Any injuries?
I just really don't get the shtick of Ameer running too high/loose hips stuff. It's contrary to pretty much everyone else's opinion of his running style without any evidence to back up that contrarian opinion. I'm going to excerpt a couple short things from Matt Waldman's RSP to try to give credence to the idea that it isn't just a Nebraska homer disagreeing (but if that isn't kosher with Matt or others, I'll happily edit and remove this, love his work). He doesn't have a "hip looseness" category, but based on what FJ says that means to him, I'd say Matt's "balance" category is the closest match:Great post. I'm a big AA fan but I think projecting him as a stud is betting on his absolute ceiling and possibly a ceiling that isn't even that high.I've now seen all his runs from the game & nothing has changed about my evaluation. Nothing was likely to change with a few caries or even all of preseason. The regular season is the test. It's easy to get fooled in preseason. It doesn't mean certain prospects can't vault up your rankings in preseason, especially prospects who come out of nowhere (like Victor Cruz), but with a guy like Abdullah, my evaluation will likely stay pretty static during the preseason.
Can he have longterm success with his upright lateral move? Another concern I have is he's pretty much a one-trick pony with his quickness. He seems to have good vision, but he's not a big tackle breaker & not a home run hitter (despite the long run). I've liked smaller RBs coming out of college. They have a little bit of a disadvantage, but those guys can still be studs. I was high on both Charles & CJ coming out, but they have some attributes Abdullah doesn't possess.
I didn't take Abdullah off my board in dynasty drafts. I often do that with guys I'm sure will bust no matter how far they fall. I'd take Abdullah with the right pick, but I knew I'd likely never get him once his ADP was established. My overall general strategy is to try to hit on feature backs, #1 WRs, etc. I've been very successful doing that, but you typically pass up safer players with that strategy. I think Abdullah is a pretty safe bet to be a productive FF RB in PPR leagues as long as his situation holds up, but we're talking about another level entirely when people start calling him a stud.
It doesn't mean Abdullah can't be a stud, it just means there are too many unanswered questions for me to take him around his ADP (mostly talking dynasty here). Just the simple fact he may very well not be a GL back for much of his career is enough to have pause to not call him a potential stud. Some smaller guys can excel around the GL, but that's a huge projection for Abdullah right now. He can make up some of the potential point loss in PPR leagues if he's used enough in the passing game, but it would help if he had home run ability if he's not going to be a GL back. I simply have a lot of reservations about the stud call at this time.
My main concern with him is the lack of speed. It will result in subpar TD's his entire career. He would have to be an exceptional GL runner at his size to get the opportunities inside the 5 and simply being the best GL back at Nebraska the last 3yrs isn't enough. If you're telling me he's the best GL back at Alabama for 3yrs, then that's telling me something.
Chances are better than 50% that he will not be a goal line back.
Chances are better than 50% that he will not break off a higher than avg number of long TD runs.
Those are two huge knocks against him right off the bat.
Even if Detroit decides not to use their 230 pound back at the goal line, AA would still be competing with Calvin Johnson who is one of the best red zone threats in the game. If Ebron continues to develop, there's another weapon near the goal line. Bell has never had more than 8 rushing TD's in a season as the primary goal line back for detroit the past 2 seasons.
I'm just not seeing the potential for him to be a stud. I do, however, think he has a very high floor which is why I'll be drafting him in dynasty for sure and redraft if he falls.
Matt then proceeds to list Ameer as his best back in this category and says the following:Balance is a core factor in effective ball carrying, denoting the combination of good foot and body placement, agility, and awareness of one’s physical space. A player with good balance can adjust to the force of a hard blow and not fall over. Football players are trained to maintain their balance when facing most head-on collisions with a defender, but special players have the rare ability to keep their balance when the direction of the blow or placement of the blow to the body is unexpected, coming from an angle or particularly forceful. Although an extreme example, Barry Sanders frequently demonstrated throughout his career that a low pad level, uncanny anticipation of defensive angles, and great balance could defeat the backfield penetration of a player with a significant height-weight advantage.
Further, he ranks Ameer as one of the top receiving backs among the class:Ameer Abdullah’s balance is borderline special. He bounces off hits well—especially for his size—but Abdullah’s balance is also notable when changing direction through contact. It also takes great balance to outrun a defense to the corner and bend that run downhill at top speed without veering too far outside. Think about how many times you’ve seen fast backs get the corner and step out of bounds just as they were in open space to turn that gain from a seven-yard run into something 5-10 times that length. Abdullah is the best I have seen cornering at top speed in a few years.
I'm not looking to get into a multi-page argument on this, but I'm legitimately confused on how we can watch the same plays and come to completely opposite conclusions.Ameer Abdullah runs routes and plucks the ball like a budding receiver. He displays good timing on perimeter routes from the slot and he adjusts well to the ball. With his burst, footwork, and hands, he could develop into a viable slot weapon like Marshall Faulk and Brian Westbrook. If he does he’ll become one of the better pass-receiving running backs in the NFL.
As a 'Braska fan, what's your prognostication for Ameer this season in redraft leagues?MCL sprain against Purdue in '14 knocked him out of the game. He was back next game and played through it with a brace until the USC game. Other than that, nothing that I can remember. No concussion history or major knee issues.What was his college career like? Any injuries?
I think Ameer is going to be overdrafted in redraft leagues if you play with people who fancy themselves "fantasy experts" (or, if he keeps making headlines, even among casual fans who can google for "sleepers"). I think he's got a legit shot to be the highest scoring rookie RB, but I've always been wary of rookie RBs in redraft and I'm not going to make an exception for my guy. As much as Iove his ceiling, you can't ignore that it sometimes take time to transition.Any 'braska fans have any insight on how his pass pro is? If he doesn't cut it in that department, you may as well call his rookie season a wash.
I agree, if he is going ahead of guys like Gore and Miller the hype has reached levels where there is no value to be found. I liked him though when he was going in rd 6 or 7, but now I won't be owning him.If he's going at 2.12 or higher in your draft, that should make you happy - better fantasy players are falling to you. I'm not bashing Abdullah at all, as I'd love to have him on a dynasty roster, but even his most adamant supporters can't be expecting second round fantasy production during his rookie season while splitting that backfield with Joique Bell. Bell is better than he's being given credit for and a grinder type back is a valuable asset in the way this offense is run.I should have done more drafts a few weeks ago, he just went at 2.12 in an FFPC slow draft I am doing. The ADP may be rising to a point where you can't really get a lot of value out of him.
He looked great on those three runs - but no one should be getting carried too far away yet.
Noted. It's only going to make his value go up even more.Revis made the tackle on the long run FYIWell, that sure didn't take long.I think Abdullah is more likely than most to flash a some sick moves and break off some stunning highlight type plays against the future UPS drivers and sky caps that he will likely be facing in the preseason. Fantasy players will start salivating over his potential and start reaching for him earlier and earlier...etc.Could you give me some insight on why you feel so confident he is going to look so good in preseason? I like him as well and have him on a few of my teams and like his upside but you are speaking so confidently about how you feel about him I just want to know what you know or why you feel this why?That's going to go up at least two rounds after a few preseason games.Fantasy Pros which I believe averages all the major sites together has him in the late 7th for standard.What mocks are you using? Fantasy Football calculator, he goes in the 5th of 12 team PPR drafts. The other mocks like Yahoo he goes later.I love him, but he is pretty much off my radar since I live in Detroit and have a couple big time homers in the league. I wonder how high I would have to reach to get him. If he flashes anything in preseason, it might be 4th round. It sucks because he is falling pretty far in mocks. I love everything I am hearing. Hopefully he can provide the offense with what Jahvid Best was before his career ended.
Kid is the real deal. He has passed every test at every turn so far.
I like any indepth analysis on players like FJ offered there. I understand I may not agree with everyone's analysis but it still has alot of value. In this particular instance, I disagree with FJ's opinion that AA has significant deficiencies running the ball but whole heartedly agree with the fact that he will struggle to put up "stud" numbers.I'm not looking to get into a multi-page argument on this, but I'm legitimately confused on how we can watch the same plays and come to completely opposite conclusions.
Frank Gore's a bellcow with Luck as his QB. He won't go higher than Gore. I definitely see Ameer settling in the 4th/5th round in 12 team leagues... unless he has another spectacular runI agree, if he is going ahead of guys like Gore and Miller the hype has reached levels where there is no value to be found. I liked him though when he was going in rd 6 or 7, but now I won't be owning him.If he's going at 2.12 or higher in your draft, that should make you happy - better fantasy players are falling to you. I'm not bashing Abdullah at all, as I'd love to have him on a dynasty roster, but even his most adamant supporters can't be expecting second round fantasy production during his rookie season while splitting that backfield with Joique Bell. Bell is better than he's being given credit for and a grinder type back is a valuable asset in the way this offense is run.I should have done more drafts a few weeks ago, he just went at 2.12 in an FFPC slow draft I am doing. The ADP may be rising to a point where you can't really get a lot of value out of him.
He looked great on those three runs - but no one should be getting carried too far away yet.
Yeah, that's fair. You kind of got lumped into the quote mostly by accidentI like any indepth analysis on players like FJ offered there. I understand I may not agree with everyone's analysis but it still has alot of value. In this particular instance, I disagree with FJ's opinion that AA has significant deficiencies running the ball but whole heartedly agree with the fact that he will struggle to put up "stud" numbers.I'm not looking to get into a multi-page argument on this, but I'm legitimately confused on how we can watch the same plays and come to completely opposite conclusions.
What are your thoughts on his chances for goal line work? Like I said in my last post. Without breakaway speed, he absolutely NEEDS goal line work to even toy with "stud" production. That will be the key. If AA is going to be somewhat exclusively used at the GL, then that takes him from a ceiling of 5 total TD's on the season to more around a ceiling of 12-15 total TD's on the season (assuming the starting role and GL work).