RB Brandon Jacobs will lose a series or two to RB Reuben Droughns each (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

(KFFL) Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Giants RB Brandon Jacobs will lose a series or two to RB Reuben Droughns each game.

Sounds like BJ is getting the Majority of touches. for pre-season

 

[DenverBroncos]

Not sure this is news. 60/40 in favor of BJ this year. I'm still cautious of the NYG backfield and won't be taking Jacobs this year, that's for sure.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Not sure this is news. 60/40 in favor of BJ this year. I'm still cautious of the NYG backfield and won't be taking Jacobs this year, that's for sure.

a series or 2 a game is more than 60/40 boss... thats more of 80/20I'm thinking that Bradshaw gets more touches than most people think

 

[Bri]

Still probably need them to add a FB......

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I don't think there is any way Jacobs gets 80% of the carries. The 60% seems more realistic in my opinion.

 

[Brutis]

I don't think there is any way Jacobs gets 80% of the carries. The 60% seems more realistic in my opinion.

And what exactly are you basing this off of?

 

[ImTheScientist]

I don't think there is any way Jacobs gets 80% of the carries. The 60% seems more realistic in my opinion.

 

[kensat30]

I don't have Brandon Jacobs very high on my draft board, but the fellow is pretty intriguing to me. It seems like everyone and their mother has made the decision that Jacobs is no Tiki Barber. I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with, is the assumption that since Jacobs is no Tiki Barber he is suddenly a poor fantasy RB pick. You can draft the guy at the very tail end of the credible RB#2s and you may be rewarded big time with that kind of pick. Honestly, all we know about Jacobs is that he is a real big guy, he pounded some TDs in last season, and he is going to be the starter this season. Jacobs to me is the kind of guy who could come out of nowhere and win a league based on where he is taken. Very much like Cedric Benson.

To get on topic, of course the guy is going to give up a few series here and there. Every RB in the NFL gives up a few series here and there. That's a non-story IMO. The real story is that "giving up a few series" almost entrenches Jacobs in the starting position. For all those pimping Drougns/Bradshaw/unknown, I think from stories like this it is clear they all have to get past Jacobs first. And Eli, Plax, Shockey, Toomer/Smith, like a decent enough surrounding cast to do some damage...

 

[Koya]

If true, this is an absolute endorsement for Jacobs. You don't lose a series or two unless you have something to lose.

That said, as a Giants fan, I am very lukewarm at best about Jacobs. Just not convinced he can produce as the #1 guy.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Bradshaw will get more carries than Rueb.....

 

[duaneok66]

Bradshaw will get more carries than Rueb.....

Bradshaw may not even dress for some games . . .

 

[H.K.]

(KFFL) Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Giants RB Brandon Jacobs will lose a series or two to RB Reuben Droughns each game.

How is this even news? Everyone on the planet knows how this whole situation will play out:Step 1) NYG fully endorses Jacobs because they have no one elseStep 2) NYG trades for a proven feature RBStep 3) NYG states Jacobs will be given a few series off each gameStep 4) NYG says they are RBBC and will go with hot handStep 5) NYG says Droughns starts, Jacobs is SD RBStep 6) Coughlin canned after NYG implodes againStep 7) New HC brings in real feature RB in 2008

 

[Traders2001]

Not sure this is news. 60/40 in favor of BJ this year. I'm still cautious of the NYG backfield and won't be taking Jacobs this year, that's for sure.

a series or 2 a game is more than 60/40 boss... thats more of 80/20I'm thinking that Bradshaw gets more touches than most people think

Agreed . Bradshaw will be worth monitoring in pre season.

 

[Traders2001]

Bradshaw will get more carries than Rueb.....

Bradshaw may not even dress for some games . . .

let s go trough pre season first .

 

[KellysHeroes]

(KFFL) Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Giants RB Brandon Jacobs will lose a series or two to RB Reuben Droughns each game.

How is this even news? Everyone on the planet knows how this whole situation will play out:Step 1) NYG fully endorses Jacobs because they have no one else

If they didn't believe in BJ's ability; they would of done better than Droughns this pre-season

Step 2) NYG trades for a proven feature RB

Droughns a proven Back; thats why Cleveland gave him to the G-Men and they cut his pay in half

Step 3) NYG states Jacobs will be given a few series off each game

Thats correct

Step 4) NYG says they are RBBC and will go with hot hand

75% of the Teams in the league say this

Step 5) NYG says Droughns starts, Jacobs is SD RB

I have never seen this stated... please LINK

Step 6) Coughlin canned after NYG implodes again



Step 7) New HC brings in real feature RB in 2008

Possible; but thats next yr... I'm living in the present.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I don't think there is any way Jacobs gets 80% of the carries. The 60% seems more realistic in my opinion.

And what exactly are you basing this off of?

I don't think Jacobs can carry a full load. I base it off of watching him play. There is no official word as to exactly how the workload will be divided, so the only thing you see is someones opinions.

 

[Balco]

I don't think there is any way Jacobs gets 80% of the carries. The 60% seems more realistic in my opinion.

And what exactly are you basing this off of?

I don't think Jacobs can carry a full load. I base it off of watching him play. There is no official word as to exactly how the workload will be divided, so the only thing you see is someones opinions.

I think the opposite after seeing him play. Jacobs is a bull who will only get better as the game goes on and he wears defenses out. Reuben Droughns just turned 74 yesterday, the thought of a 60-40 split is laughable.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I don't think there is any way Jacobs gets 80% of the carries. The 60% seems more realistic in my opinion.

And what exactly are you basing this off of?

I don't think Jacobs can carry a full load. I base it off of watching him play. There is no official word as to exactly how the workload will be divided, so the only thing you see is someones opinions. Giants beat writer Mike Garofolo was on The Audible and he said the split would be closer to even than one sided.

 

[Brutis]

I don't think there is any way Jacobs gets 80% of the carries. The 60% seems more realistic in my opinion.

And what exactly are you basing this off of?

I don't think Jacobs can carry a full load. I base it off of watching him play. There is no official word as to exactly how the workload will be divided, so the only thing you see is someones opinions.

I think the opposite after seeing him play. Jacobs is a bull who will only get better as the game goes on and he wears defenses out. Reuben Droughns just turned 74 yesterday, the thought of a 60-40 split is laughable.

I see the same thing, this will be an interesting "bump" come November.

 

[Bri]

I don't think there is any way Jacobs gets 80% of the carries. The 60% seems more realistic in my opinion.

And what exactly are you basing this off of?

I don't think Jacobs can carry a full load. I base it off of watching him play. There is no official word as to exactly how the workload will be divided, so the only thing you see is someones opinions.

I believe you're mistaken.Coughlin

Right now Brandon has continued to prove that he can be an every-down kind of guy in every kind of situation.

It would make sense to pair Brandon Jacobs with a veteran who has some third-down skills. "I think we have great confidence that Brandon Jacobs can be that guy, but we also want to make sure we have the security of having somebody else with him," coordinator Kevin Gilbride said.

There is more recent ones from Gilbride, RBs coach, and Reese but.... feel free to go to BBI or Giants.com and look when you have time.

 

[Bri]

I don't think there is any way Jacobs gets 80% of the carries. The 60% seems more realistic in my opinion.

And what exactly are you basing this off of?

I don't think Jacobs can carry a full load. I base it off of watching him play. There is no official word as to exactly how the workload will be divided, so the only thing you see is someones opinions.

I think the opposite after seeing him play. Jacobs is a bull who will only get better as the game goes on and he wears defenses out. Reuben Droughns just turned 74 yesterday, the thought of a 60-40 split is laughable.

I see the same thing, this will be an interesting "bump" come November.

Jacobs can catch the ball and take off. Most fans and DCs probably don't think he can and/or will force him to prove it. Droughns' # of carries if we're talking percentages in one game could be 60-40 but touches won't be. It seems the Giants are finding out Brandon can do more of Tiki's role than they thought and haven't had to change the O half as much as everyone expected. (Coughlin may AND june presser, similar sentiment on WFAN interview) He WILL get catches no one planned on and they really really seem to like how Droughns picks up the blitz so it does seem Droughns will be more of a 3rd down fill in than some Bradshaw fans expected too.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

Context:

"The Giants will let him run plenty this season. The plan is for him to get most of the work out of the backfield, giving up only a series or two per game to the newly-acquired Reuben Droughns. New offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride is excited about Jacobs' potential, his rare power and his faster-than-Tiki speed."

Here's the complete article FWIW:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...g_believer.html

Regardless, I wouldn't put too much stock in Vacchiano or Garofalo's opinions either way.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I don't think there is any way Jacobs gets 80% of the carries. The 60% seems more realistic in my opinion.

And what exactly are you basing this off of?

I don't think Jacobs can carry a full load. I base it off of watching him play. There is no official word as to exactly how the workload will be divided, so the only thing you see is someones opinions.

I believe you're mistaken.Coughlin

Right now Brandon has continued to prove that he can be an every-down kind of guy in every kind of situation.

It would make sense to pair Brandon Jacobs with a veteran who has some third-down skills. "I think we have great confidence that Brandon Jacobs can be that guy, but we also want to make sure we have the security of having somebody else with him," coordinator Kevin Gilbride said.

There is more recent ones from Gilbride, RBs coach, and Reese but.... feel free to go to BBI or Giants.com and look when you have time.

That says how they HOPE it plays out. Nothing says that is how it WILL play out. Until he actually proves he can handle a heavy workload, it is nothing but speculation.

 

[Bri]

I don't think there is any way Jacobs gets 80% of the carries. The 60% seems more realistic in my opinion.

And what exactly are you basing this off of?

I don't think Jacobs can carry a full load. I base it off of watching him play. There is no official word as to exactly how the workload will be divided, so the only thing you see is someones opinions.

I believe you're mistaken.Coughlin

Right now Brandon has continued to prove that he can be an every-down kind of guy in every kind of situation.

It would make sense to pair Brandon Jacobs with a veteran who has some third-down skills. "I think we have great confidence that Brandon Jacobs can be that guy, but we also want to make sure we have the security of having somebody else with him," coordinator Kevin Gilbride said.

There is more recent ones from Gilbride, RBs coach, and Reese but.... feel free to go to BBI or Giants.com and look when you have time.

That says how they HOPE it plays out. Nothing says that is how it WILL play out. Until he actually proves he can handle a heavy workload, it is nothing but speculation.

please make the word hope boldfaced

 

[radballs]

I think some people generally overestimate the percentage of carries that starting RBs receive. Jacbos getting 80% of the carries is laughable. Tomlinson "only" got 75% of the RB carries on his team last year. I can't wait to see Jacobs get a higher percentage than LT of his team's RB carries this year. Please.

 

[Bri]

I think some people generally overestimate the percentage of carries that starting RBs receive. Jacbos getting 80% of the carries is laughable. Tomlinson "only" got 75% of the RB carries on his team last year. I can't wait to see Jacobs get a higher percentage than LT of his team's RB carries this year. Please.

True, if you use touches it would probably fit better(including with LT2).

 

[radballs]

I think some people generally overestimate the percentage of carries that starting RBs receive. Jacbos getting 80% of the carries is laughable. Tomlinson "only" got 75% of the RB carries on his team last year. I can't wait to see Jacobs get a higher percentage than LT of his team's RB carries this year. Please.

True, if you use touches it would probably fit better(including with LT2).

Well, I just ran if for carries and I don't have time to do for it for touches. But, there were only 6 RBs that had over 80% of their team RB carries in 2006. Below are those RBs and the percentage that their carries represented as a percentage of the total RB carries for that team: Edgerrin James 89.4%Larry Johnson 88.5%Steven Jackson 87.4%Rudi Johnson 86.8%Frank Gore 81.9%Willie Parker 81.2%My conclusion is that it is VERY unlikely that Brandon Jacobs will become one of these guys in 2007.

 

[radballs]

I think some people generally overestimate the percentage of carries that starting RBs receive. Jacbos getting 80% of the carries is laughable. Tomlinson "only" got 75% of the RB carries on his team last year. I can't wait to see Jacobs get a higher percentage than LT of his team's RB carries this year. Please.

True, if you use touches it would probably fit better(including with LT2).

Even using total RB touches, LT was still only around 75%. Like I said, I'm not going to rerun this for every starter. But in general, people overestimate the percent of the action of "non-RBBC" backs and even studs in some cases.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I don't think there is any way Jacobs gets 80% of the carries. The 60% seems more realistic in my opinion.

And what exactly are you basing this off of?

I don't think Jacobs can carry a full load. I base it off of watching him play. There is no official word as to exactly how the workload will be divided, so the only thing you see is someones opinions.

I believe you're mistaken.Coughlin

Right now Brandon has continued to prove that he can be an every-down kind of guy in every kind of situation.

It would make sense to pair Brandon Jacobs with a veteran who has some third-down skills. "I think we have great confidence that Brandon Jacobs can be that guy, but we also want to make sure we have the security of having somebody else with him," coordinator Kevin Gilbride said.

There is more recent ones from Gilbride, RBs coach, and Reese but.... feel free to go to BBI or Giants.com and look when you have time.

That says how they HOPE it plays out. Nothing says that is how it WILL play out. Until he actually proves he can handle a heavy workload, it is nothing but speculation.

please make the word hope boldfaced

I fail too see the word HOPE in Coughlin's quote as well.... I did find Great Confidence, Has Continued to Prove, can be an every down, every situation guy in there..Maybe Anthony read it wrong

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I don't think there is any way Jacobs gets 80% of the carries. The 60% seems more realistic in my opinion.

And what exactly are you basing this off of?

I don't think Jacobs can carry a full load. I base it off of watching him play. There is no official word as to exactly how the workload will be divided, so the only thing you see is someones opinions.

I believe you're mistaken.Coughlin

Right now Brandon has continued to prove that he can be an every-down kind of guy in every kind of situation.

It would make sense to pair Brandon Jacobs with a veteran who has some third-down skills. "I think we have great confidence that Brandon Jacobs can be that guy, but we also want to make sure we have the security of having somebody else with him," coordinator Kevin Gilbride said.

There is more recent ones from Gilbride, RBs coach, and Reese but.... feel free to go to BBI or Giants.com and look when you have time.

That says how they HOPE it plays out. Nothing says that is how it WILL play out. Until he actually proves he can handle a heavy workload, it is nothing but speculation.

please make the word hope boldfaced

I fail too see the word HOPE in Coughlin's quote as well.... I did find Great Confidence, Has Continued to Prove, can be an every down, every situation guy in there..Maybe Anthony read it wrong

When you say "great confidence"...you did not use the entire phrase. that coach said "I THINK we have great confidence". I don't believe I am the one reading that wrong.

 

[Sinrman]

THey didn't seek out Droughns for no reason. With Barber's retirement, they aren't 100% convinced that Jacobs is the answer. He's been around for awhile now and is familiar with the system. However, it's the unknown that a team faces as to whether he can shoulder the full load (a la LaMont Jordan a couple years ago in Oakland, Chester Taylor last year in Minny, etc.). I like what I see in Jacobs, and think he will certainly get a majority, but I can easily see Coughlin mixing it up a bit to ease Jacobs into the role of every-down starter this year. I can easily see 60-40 or 70-30 Jacobs-Droughns this year.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Coughlin

Right now Brandon has continued to prove that he can be an every-down kind of guy in every kind of situation.

It would make sense to pair Brandon Jacobs with a veteran who has some third-down skills. "I think we have great confidence that Brandon Jacobs can be that guy, but we also want to make sure we have the security of having somebody else with him," coordinator Kevin Gilbride said.

Nope.. I read it right... the Coach of the Team (you know; the guy who says who gets the ball) has great confidence that BJ will be their Everydown / every situation Back.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Nope.. I read it right... the Coach of the Team (you know; the guy who says who gets the ball) has great confidence that BJ will be their EVerydown / every situation Back.

You keep omitting the words "I THINK" from his sentence.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Nope.. I read it right... the Coach of the Team (you know; the guy who says who gets the ball) has great confidence that BJ will be their EVerydown / every situation Back.

You keep omitting the words "I THINK" from his sentence.

I still didn't find the word Hope in it either

 

[Brutis]

Nope.. I read it right... the Coach of the Team (you know; the guy who says who gets the ball) has great confidence that BJ will be their EVerydown / every situation Back.

You keep omitting the words "I THINK" from his sentence.

I still didn't find the word Hope in it either

No offense from you so-called experts but I'll just take coughlins and reeses word for it from what i can expect from jacobs this year.

 

[ultramattman]

Gotta love this time of the fantasy season. Picking over every word of some throwaway coachspeak quote in a newspaper article and projecting a season's workload over the difference between 'hope' and 'think'.

 

[Ned]

(KFFL) Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Giants RB Brandon Jacobs will lose a series or two to RB Reuben Droughns each game.

How is this even news? Everyone on the planet knows how this whole situation will play out:Step 1) NYG fully endorses Jacobs because they have no one else

If they didn't believe in BJ's ability; they would of done better than Droughns this pre-season

Step 2) NYG trades for a proven feature RB

Droughns a proven Back; thats why Cleveland gave him to the G-Men and they cut his pay in half

Step 3) NYG states Jacobs will be given a few series off each game

Thats correct

Step 4) NYG says they are RBBC and will go with hot hand

75% of the Teams in the league say this

Step 5) NYG says Droughns starts, Jacobs is SD RB

I have never seen this stated... please LINK

Step 6) Coughlin canned after NYG implodes again



Step 7) New HC brings in real feature RB in 2008

Possible; but thats next yr... I'm living in the present.

he was predicting what happens, mcfly.i happen to agree with him. jacobs is not the answer.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Nope.. I read it right... the Coach of the Team (you know; the guy who says who gets the ball) has great confidence that BJ will be their EVerydown / every situation Back.

You keep omitting the words "I THINK" from his sentence.

I still didn't find the word Hope in it either

No offense from you so-called experts but I'll just take coughlins and reeses word for it from what i can expect from jacobs this year.

Neither has said anything conclusive yet, so this is all speculation.

 

[Bri]

Gotta love this time of the fantasy season. Picking over every word of some throwaway coachspeak quote in a newspaper article and projecting a season's workload over the difference between 'hope' and 'think'.

only one guy doing that, digging a ditch too.

 

[Bri]

Nope.. I read it right... the Coach of the Team (you know; the guy who says who gets the ball) has great confidence that BJ will be their EVerydown / every situation Back.

You keep omitting the words "I THINK" from his sentence.

I still didn't find the word Hope in it either

No offense from you so-called experts but I'll just take coughlins and reeses word for it from what i can expect from jacobs this year.

Neither has said anything conclusive yet, so this is all speculation.

Don't know when to say "oops" do ya?coach, GM, and OC can't predict the future just like every other NFL staff, but if they say he's gonna be the main guy, then for your rankings and/or projections he's gonna be the main guy. Ya know? We ALL do that. Same reason you don't give Darren Sproles a K yards in San Diego, because Turner thinks he's going with LT2. Would horrific play or an injury or crime or somesuch change a coach's mind about any player? Absolutely, that's quite possible but it is always possible and NEVER ever used as a reason to not give LT2 all the yardage.You're being extremely hypocritical and looking for some minutae to prove your point despite overwhelming eveidence to the contrary

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Nope.. I read it right... the Coach of the Team (you know; the guy who says who gets the ball) has great confidence that BJ will be their EVerydown / every situation Back.

You keep omitting the words "I THINK" from his sentence.

I still didn't find the word Hope in it either

No offense from you so-called experts but I'll just take coughlins and reeses word for it from what i can expect from jacobs this year.

Neither has said anything conclusive yet, so this is all speculation.

Don't know when to say "oops" do ya?coach, GM, and OC can't predict the future just like every other NFL staff, but if they say he's gonna be the main guy, then for your rankings and/or projections he's gonna be the main guy. Ya know? We ALL do that. Same reason you don't give Darren Sproles a K yards in San Diego, because Turner thinks he's going with LT2. Would horrific play or an injury or crime or somesuch change a coach's mind about any player? Absolutely, that's quite possible but it is always possible and NEVER ever used as a reason to not give LT2 all the yardage.You're being extremely hypocritical and looking for some minutae to prove your point despite overwhelming eveidence to the contrary

I happen to disagree. When a coach says "I think we have confidence", it sounds to me like a lot of uncertainty. It's obvious to see what they want to happen, but that is not the same as saying it will happen. And save the overwhelming evidence comment...there is none.

 

[Sweetness_34]

I think this is just a "ploy to motivate Tinker Bell"

 

[Bri]

And save the overwhelming evidence comment...there is none.

So basically you're saying, "my opinion is greater than the coach, GM, or OC"?I could get ya a quote from the RBs coach if need be but apparently you're looking for who to say he'll be their feature back? Aunt Edna?

 

[Brutis]

And save the overwhelming evidence comment...there is none.

So basically you're saying, "my opinion is greater than the coach, GM, or OC"?

Thats how i read this guy as well.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

My messed up math, working with what the article stated...

Teams average 28 attempts a game in 2006.

The Giants and Vikings are the NFLs median (16th and 17th) teams in attempts.

The had 425 carries by RBs and 388 carries by RBs last year.

813/2 = 406/16 = 25.35 attempts per game.

I believe an average game has about 8-9 possesions for each team.

25.35/8.5 = 2.98 carries per possesion by RBs.

2.98 x 6.5 = 19.38 carries a game if you lose two entire possesions.

2.98 x 2 = 5.96 carries a game if you get two possesions.

310 carries vs 95 carries.

 

[joffer]

I think the Giants are going to miss Tiki Barber more than they ever imagined.

 

[-jb-]

Can anyone comment on the OL this year? Please do not use the words hope, think, or riboflavin in your response. TIA.

 

[a_rackowski]

I see both on the field quite often. Droughns is actully a very decent FB. I think Droughns can easily beat out Robert Douglass(?).

The starting RB job in NY is Jacobs to lose. I expect to see Droughns on the field plenty but the majority of the time that will be at FB.

 

[Lash]

Jacobs will crack top-10 fantasy RB this year

you heard it here first

add whatever he does between the 20's to the 8-10 goalline TD's he has already been getting WITH tiki

 

[identikit]

Can anyone comment on the OL this year? Please do not use the words hope, think, or riboflavin in your response. TIA.