RB Brandon Jacobs will lose a series or two to RB Reuben Droughns each (1 Viewer)

[H.K.]

You disagree with H.K. We get it. Most people do. Drop it already.

Um, thanks for your support?

FWIW - Brutis didn't say anything wrong, he's just talking smack and I appreciated it. No harm, no foul.

I obviously disagree with you on jacobs but i didnt think i was rude about it.

You weren't, no worries. AnonymousBob is a good guy, too. I assume he just misread the situation. The important thing is: Football is back, baby!

 

[Construction Man Jim]

Original discussion That was not how I interpreted it.

My bad. I thought you had subsequently agreed in the following post but I guess you didn't...

Kudos to you, sir. I apologize for missing it and respect you backing up your position with Jacobs. This will be remembered when I do my 2007 Shark Pool All Pro Team.

FYI - I'll leave it open for any others who want to get in on it.

Still, the point stands. If Jacobs suffers a major injury it won't prove he's not talented or a feature back.

 

[KellysHeroes]

So your (H.K.) saying that BJ won't even break the top 20 of RBs; I'll take the Sig Bet as well..

i'd say it's a statistical impossibility

Why you say that.....Look at the top 21 RBs from last yr... I really doubt A Green, F Taylor, J Lewis, & Chester Taylor. If K Jones misses times then hes off the list. Take Tiki out (and I think Dillon was in there too) and thats about 5 too 7 open spots from last yrs list. Add in Maroney, R Brown, McGahee, SA & Benson who should break the top 21 if healthy. So after its all said and done; that finally spots is going to be between BJ, Caddy, an Atl RB would have a good chance if one took control.I don't see a Hou / GB / Buf / Car / Min / Oak RB really coming close... I say it very possible BJ makes it

 

[TheFanatic]

What is the exact nature of the sig part of the sig bet. I happen to own Jacobs in a PPR league and think he will finish higher than 21st overall. But the sig bet can't be ridiculous like, I have to keep the sig for a year or anything...What's the exact parameters and I could be a taker....Of course we have to call the bet void should he miss significant time with injuries or suspension (not sure if he is a candidate for suspension at all, but you never know these days)....

Post 72 covers it.

OK, that looks pretty good, but what about a) injury suspension stuff? If he misses more than 3 games due to injury or suspension the bet is null? b) if you lose you put in the same sig you list if we lose except you drop in our names where yours is?If you agree to those stipulations I'm in.....

He's got to finish RB21 or better, that's the whole point of the discussion, so no additional stipulations are necessary. He either finishes better than that or he doesn't.Its a silly sig bet anyway, this is just for fun and gloating.

Then I'll pass. If I take the bet and then he has some fluke accident like performing stunts on his motorcycle, steps in a hole on the golf course and blows and ACL, turns out to be a major accomplice in the Vick dog fighting investigation, or something else that has nothing to do with him performing on Sundays then you win the bet. This is about on the field performance. If he's not on the field due to something he cannot control then you win the bet and that skews the bet in your favor for something that has nothing to do with what we are discussing. I offered to to take the fluke factor out of the bet but you would rather keep it in. Would you feel good about winning the bet if the guy died in a plane crash tomorrow? Would you feel good about winning the bet if he pulled a Rae Carruth next week? Are you the type of person who would gloat because the guy went down with a career ending injury which proves your point that he didn't finish in the top 20 and you knew it all along....I think I'll pass. I think I sort of understand all the HK hate on the board.....Good luck with your bet....

 

[H.K.]

Then I'll pass. If I take the bet and then he has some fluke accident like performing stunts on his motorcycle, steps in a hole on the golf course and blows and ACL, turns out to be a major accomplice in the Vick dog fighting investigation, or something else that has nothing to do with him performing on Sundays then you win the bet.

This is about on the field performance. If he's not on the field due to something he cannot control then you win the bet and that skews the bet in your favor for something that has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

I offered to to take the fluke factor out of the bet but you would rather keep it in. Would you feel good about winning the bet if the guy died in a plane crash tomorrow? Would you feel good about winning the bet if he pulled a Rae Carruth next week?

Are you the type of person who would gloat because the guy went down with a career ending injury which proves your point that he didn't finish in the top 20 and you knew it all along....

I think I'll pass. I think I sort of understand all the HK hate on the board.....Good luck with your bet....

I see you around here a lot and you post good stuff. I respect you and will try to make the intent of the bet more understandable, frankly because you deserve that much.This is simply about on field performance, nothing more. Is injury part of the equation? Yes, and it should be because some of the major concerns about Jacobs come directly from the Giants' coaching staff regarding his ability to stay healthy if he has a full time role.

When a 3rd or 4th round ff pick is spent on someone, anyone, owners need to get return from that investment. My way of establishing a return in this scenario was for Jacobs to play all year and perform as a mid to low RB2. That should be the expectation typical for a player chosen in a range when viable starters are still being selected.

With that in mind, there is no reason for an injury clause to be added. I've never heard of an FF league that has one. If your first round pick gets hurt after eight weeks, do you know of any leagues that let you keep starting him and use his PPG average that season for the rest of the year? Me neither. I also have never heard of leagues that give money back or allow "do overs" for mid-season injury. That's why the terms were set up the way they were. The bet is about how well he'll do for the season, which lasts 16 games. His ability to play in 16 is every bit a factor in this equation though, just as it would be for forecasting any other player.

People who have faith in Jacobs think he'll do it, so they agreed to a sig bet. Pretty low stakes and nothing to wish injury or death on anyone over, IMO...

 

[buckyben]

I would like to get the conversation back to where people think Jacobs presents good value.

I don't want this to appear to be a what should i do type of response, but I wanted to throw a general idea out there and see what people think about it. If this isn't a proper type of post, let me know.

My dream scenario (in a 2 RB/2 WR/1 Flex, non-PPR, 12 teamer) would be to go RB, RB, RB in the first 3 rounds with Jacobs being my target in the 3rd. To me the ideal situation would be to get a top 3 pick and get one sure thing and then gamble a bit with the next two, maybe Ced Benson late 2 and Jacobs early 3rd.

It is my opinion that his downside, barring injury, is 1,000-1200 total yards and 6-7 TDs. But I also think he has more upside than almost any other guy who might be around in the 3rd round. I could easily envision 1500 total yards and 10-12 TDs.

I guess then that my opinion is that there are safer bets in the 2nd round for a RB2, but that Jacobs is far and away the best guy who might be available in rd 3 and that if you can get him in the 3rd and he does pan out, you could really have a potentially dominant team.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I liked Jacobs alot when he was being draft in the 4th rds... usually after Duece... now I've seen him moved up to an early 3rd... I haven't drafted Jacobs in awhile.