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RB Breece Hall, NYJ (1 Viewer)
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It’s him or Jaylen Warren for me. Im thinking what you’re thinking. Hope they don’t abandon the run after watching Zach last week.
Banger
Footballguy
Ha, have same decision and likely going Warren.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Tough decision this week. As a Jets fan.....I have to think there's enough brains SOMEWHERE in that building (maybe not in Hackett's head, but SOMEWHERE) to realize that giving this guy 20 touches is easily their most viable path to a decent offense. And he showed in week 1 that there's enough burst there (even though he's not 100% yet) to take those touches and make something really good happen.
On the other side of the coin, I KNOW that there's enough brains in the NE locker room to realize this as well. So you have to think Bill's plan is gonna be to stack the box with an extra guy, roll coverage on the back end to Garrett Wilson and just trust that the Jets other guys (whether that's Lazzard, Conklin or whoever) wont be good enough to consistently win one on ones.(and even if they do, will Zach get it to them?)
Debating benching Breece for Josh Kelley. As a Jets fan who picked Hall early, I can't believe I'm even considering benching him. But in the post- Rodgers world, I just dont trust Hackett to do anything right. Dude is an empty suit who just happens to be friends with the cool kid in school (which is the only reason he got the job)
On the other side of the coin, I KNOW that there's enough brains in the NE locker room to realize this as well. So you have to think Bill's plan is gonna be to stack the box with an extra guy, roll coverage on the back end to Garrett Wilson and just trust that the Jets other guys (whether that's Lazzard, Conklin or whoever) wont be good enough to consistently win one on ones.(and even if they do, will Zach get it to them?)
Debating benching Breece for Josh Kelley. As a Jets fan who picked Hall early, I can't believe I'm even considering benching him. But in the post- Rodgers world, I just dont trust Hackett to do anything right. Dude is an empty suit who just happens to be friends with the cool kid in school (which is the only reason he got the job)
Weebs210
Footballguy
Just takes one touch for Breece to go off. I would not start any of those guys over him besides maybe Kelley.
I mean, that was every team's strategy last season against the Jets, and Hall (and even Knight to a lesser extent) had good weeks.
I can certainly see Kelley over Hall, based on workload and matchup, but I don't think I'd go any of those other names over him. Warren especially feels crazy to me.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m starting him. Had to when Aiyuk went down for the short week.
Fingers crossed.
Fingers crossed.
hilarious that's like my entire roster of RBs, leaning Kelley and Javonte right now b/c of matchups but still thinking it over.
rockaction
Footballguy
Me too. Just sub out Javonte for Miles Sanders, who is just as suspect if not more and you've got my RB room.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This is the Hall topic, not group therapy.
Me too. Just sub out Javonte for Miles Sanders, who is just as suspect if not more and you've got my RB room.
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh, the Hall topic is in the same therapy building, brohan.
eta* It's Therapy Hall!
The Frankman
Footballguy
The good news is he had double digit carries. The bad news is he couldn't really do anything with him. if this was pre-ACL tear Breece I fully believe he could be successful out there, but right now he is being worked back and doesn't have the same juice. I could see looking to trade for him by the deadline as he would have had another month and a half to work back into form (and maybe the Jets get a QB by then) but right now it's not looking good and you just have to hold for better days.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Chemical X
Footballguy
nothing says amazing about the pats d. heck, they gave up a td to hack wilson.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Wilson is single handedly crushing Hall's value - OL is bad too but NE stacked the box and dared Zach to throw for good reason. Saleh doubling down on Zach is even more concerning. Only optimistic item is Hall was good last year when Zach was stinking it up as well....but not sure post surgery Hall could do the same. Schedule does loosen up as well after a few weeks.
Buf, Dal, NE is probably as tough a 3-week stretch as any offense will face all season.
Its discouraging that they weren't able to get anything going at all. Like there is inefficient, and then there is non-existent and this was the later. He's a buy-low if people are just giving him away. But its really frustrating to watch this offense. Hall and G. Wilson will be useful players, but its gonna be opponent dependent for sure.
I'm really surprised they aren't running more, and that so many snaps/touches are going to Michael Carter. Like I sort of get bringing Hall along slowly (I disagree with it, but I get it), but isn't that what Cook is there for? They've had 3 years to realize that Carter is JAG.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Against the who?
Runkle
Footballguy
They are their own worst enemy
Jayded
Footballguy
He is the quintessential guy who comes out the gate struggling and we either start him stubbornly to our own dismay or finally bench him after a few lackluster weeks to see him rip off 140 yards and 2 TDs by the half in the week you bench him. What are folks doing this week vs KC? Presumably benching?
If so, when are you going to put him back in your lineup? Does he need to show a specific something in a week to trust him again or do you feel it's just a set and forget and ride the waves of Wilson figuring it out?
If so, when are you going to put him back in your lineup? Does he need to show a specific something in a week to trust him again or do you feel it's just a set and forget and ride the waves of Wilson figuring it out?
I'm pretty confident if the Jets played the Jets, they'd somehow find a way to only lose.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Next week vs the Broncos.
Not saying that it is a bad idea but part of Denver's problem last week was going from Denver climate to Miami climate
Trevor Siemien revenge game narrative my friend.
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
With incompetent offensive coaching with the worst QB in the league Breece Hall has become a nothing burger. I am going to sit him vs KC. The Jets will continue to force Zach to throw and do things he can't do while ignoring Hall. Until Siemien or anyone takes over I just can't keep starting Hall that gives me next to nothing. Murray will replace him.
Chemical X
Footballguy
the jets with wilson and saleh regularly fail to reach 20 points. wilson can’t play the position, so stack 8 in the box, take away the run. hall is still building up strength, has cook getting touches and sadly has a coaching staff that is bottom 5 in offensive game planning for what they have. hard pass on hall. id rather play scott dierking and he must be 80.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Totally get that. If Siemian can improve the passing game just a little bit that should open things up for Breece.
Got him on a few teams, had no expectations of using him the first few weeks of the season unless I was just desperate and luckily it's been rare for me to have him in a lineup. That again was the plan for the first few weeks of the season at least.
Obviously did not anticipate Rodgers injury before the season, but hearing some comments here and it makes me think some of your expectations for him out of the gate were a bit overly optimistic.
He survived bad coaching, Zach Wilson and sharing the backfield last year and if/when he gets back to full health I think he can and will again.
What would be nice is if the Jets would cut out the 3 man rotation. Dalvin looks like a crap signing but if I'm reading his contract right they can get out fairly easy as most of his pay is week to week. If they have or want to keep him then fine, eliminate Michael Carter from the plan. Having Breece availabe and paying Dalvin that much and then using Carter for about 25% reeks of some kind of participation/let's give everyone and award kind of coaching. Carter is not exactly soaking up a lot of fantasy points but I think back to stuff like when Kamara's rookie season when it started as him sharing the backfield with Ingram and AP who was getting a similar workload as Carter is now. It took them dealing AP to really allow Kamara to break loose. Three was just a crowd.
Obviously did not anticipate Rodgers injury before the season, but hearing some comments here and it makes me think some of your expectations for him out of the gate were a bit overly optimistic.
He survived bad coaching, Zach Wilson and sharing the backfield last year and if/when he gets back to full health I think he can and will again.
What would be nice is if the Jets would cut out the 3 man rotation. Dalvin looks like a crap signing but if I'm reading his contract right they can get out fairly easy as most of his pay is week to week. If they have or want to keep him then fine, eliminate Michael Carter from the plan. Having Breece availabe and paying Dalvin that much and then using Carter for about 25% reeks of some kind of participation/let's give everyone and award kind of coaching. Carter is not exactly soaking up a lot of fantasy points but I think back to stuff like when Kamara's rookie season when it started as him sharing the backfield with Ingram and AP who was getting a similar workload as Carter is now. It took them dealing AP to really allow Kamara to break loose. Three was just a crowd.
I just dont think Breece Hall is at a point where you can use him as a workhorse. Not yet.
if he was, Cook wouldnt have been signed in the first place.
I dont see Breece's carries becoming significant until late in the season and even then.... it is not guaranteed.
I do agree people were overly optimistic about Hall. his straight line speed is still there and coming back from an ACL tear that is usually the first thing to return. but the ability to make sharp cuts at high speed on the surgically repaired knee takes a while longer. it will come but likely not for a few weeks. possibly not until next year. depends how fast he rehabs it.
irish eyes
Footballguy
The coaching staff has shown they have no business having a job. STILL running out the worst QB in the history of the league and sharing the backfield 3 ways when 2 of them (Cook, Carter) would be lucky to have a roster spot anywhere else.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Look Im not defending a lot of the bad coaching by the staff but who are they supposed to run out there? The GM has to own that he drafted one of the worst QBs of all time and also has a QB in Boyle backing him up that has no business even being on a practice squad. Then to rectify the GM brings in.....Trevor Semien to save the day. Its a disaster and I cant blame Saleh for it.
As for the RBBC - it was clear they want to work Breece back slowly. I had no thoughts of him as a #1 until 2d half of the schedule where he will be healthier and the schedule opens way up. Cook is just there to absorb hits/carries until Breece is ready. Id be buying on the cheap and Breece should be much better after the bye - however the Wilson effect is there and smart coaches will stack the line and dare him to throw. ZW or Semien has to be able to keep defenses at least somewhat honest for Breece to reach full potential. Still being patient with him
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Is this a serious question?
I'm a Bears fan and we've never had a QB. We've made more rushing production with lesser talent than Breece Hall.
Especially with a defense like the Jets have. If you moved this entire operation to Chicago, dude would be averaging 80 to 100 yards a game. Something isn't right here.
I've seen lesser RB produce on teams with scrappy QB. I haven't seen a Jets game since Week 1. What in the world is going on? I mean they won Week 1. Surely that same magic is tap inable against lesser opponents?
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
I think you're underestimating how bad Z Wilson is and possibly how good the three defenses they've faced have been (BUF, DAL, NE). There is no reason for teams to not stack the box and make Wilson pass.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Ah, a Bears fan. That makes more sense in context.
Did the Bears ever have a bad QB and Nathaniel Hackett as their OC? Hackett is just so so so bad…..he’s basically the Z Wilson of OC’s. Double whammy.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Hack is right in his name too. Might as well be called Nathan Badcoachett
Wrigley
Footballguy
To be fair, the bears have had a lifetime of Hacketts.Ah, a Bears fan. That makes more sense in context.
Did the Bears ever have a bad QB and Nathaniel Hackett as their OC? Hackett is just so so so bad…..he’s basically the Z Wilson of OC’s. Double whammy.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
This is awesome.
You know it's bad when a Bears fan drops in to throw shade on the Jets.
You know it's bad when a Bears fan drops in to throw shade on the Jets.
Gjallarhorn
Footballguy
I wonder how many of these were pre-injury, as opposed to post-injury.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Great video, I wanted to make a point that Hall runs untouched into the secondary, how often has that happened for him?
I feel most RBs would find about the same amount of yards on that play and he couldn't juke the DB, decided to see if he could just run thru him or break an arm tackle perhaps
Feels like some RBs might have taken that one to the house
Last year that's an 80 yard TD run IMHO for Hall
Breece has only played10 whole games in his career and 7 have come with Zach as the primary QB.
His targets in those 7 games: 2,2,2,4, 6, 2 and 2 for a combined 20 and an average of 2.85.
His targets in the 3 games without Zach, 9, 1, and 11 for a combined 21 and average of 7.
I think your discounting his skill set/ability to find open running lanes. He's very patient, a little like a Leveon Bell with speed. RB after RB on the Jets by and large look like they are running into brick walls but he seems to so often find the open crease. At some point you got to acknowledge that's him and not just something just any ole RB is doing.
This I would agree with as well as some of his runs in week one when the explosion seemed to taper off during his runs. Things should continue to improve for him.
Runkle
Footballguy
I think I've seen enough, Hall is coming off my bench for at least week 5. It's only the tough matchup in week 6 vs Philly that is keeping me from declaring him an "every week" starter. After the week 7 bye it's a very favorable schedule.
