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RB Breece Hall, NYJ (2 Viewers)

TripItUp said:
I have to admit, the Dalvin Cook news freaks me out. Wasn't expecting that.
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I wouldn't call it "news", as it seems mostly to be speculation by some in the media. The Jets front office has been very good at controlling leaks under Douglas and Saleh, but I have not heard any talk coming from the Jets about any contact at all with Cook and/or his agent.

I never speak in absolutes about football but I don't see how Cook makes much sense for the Jets - they have plenty of depth behind Hall - and I doubt it happens. I'd put my money on Miami.
 
There seems to be an incredible amount of drool happening with Hall this year…but I can’t shake my skepticism. I get that he’s still young, surgical/rehab techniques have evolved, etc., but the odds are still against him this year.

Are people drooling because they think he’s going to be incredible, or just that he presents ADP value?

For me, this year looks a lot like 10ish solid early round RB bets, followed by about 12 bets that are indistinguishable in terms of overall outlook (albeit for varied reasons).

Yet the Twitter cesspool has him all over the never ending list of hot takes as being can’t miss (yes I realize that they are indeed just hot takes, but Hall is the name that just keeps showing up).

Make it make sense.
 
-jb- said:
There seems to be an incredible amount of drool happening with Hall this year…but I can’t shake my skepticism. I get that he’s still young, surgical/rehab techniques have evolved, etc., but the odds are still against him this year.

Are people drooling because they think he’s going to be incredible, or just that he presents ADP value?

For me, this year looks a lot like 10ish solid early round RB bets, followed by about 12 bets that are indistinguishable in terms of overall outlook (albeit for varied reasons).

Yet the Twitter cesspool has him all over the never ending list of hot takes as being can’t miss (yes I realize that they are indeed just hot takes, but Hall is the name that just keeps showing up).

Make it make sense.
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The world has over 8 billion people and over 50 million of them play fantasy football so you can likely find an opinion on everything so I'm sure there are some people crazy over Hall but in a general sense I'm just not getting this "drool" hype feel on Breece from people you are talking about. His ADP in FFPC leagues over the last few days is a mid third, RB11 and no one has pulled him before round 3. And this type of format, the large scale national type contests, are probably more conducive for taking shots on a homerun.

Considering he was arguably as good as any RB in the league on a per touch basis, they added a 4 time MVP QB over a QB who played like a turd and the OL projects as improved this all just seems more like cautious optimism then drooling.
 
Breece Hall (ACL) said, “I’ll be ready for the first game.”

Hall said this on an interview with NFL Network and he has been optimistic about his recovery throughout the offseason. He suffered a torn ACL in Week 7 last year. Before the injury, Hall had 463 rushing yards and 218 receiving yards. He appeared to be well on his way to claiming the NFL’s Offensive Rookie of the Year award before going down. Hall is currently going as the RB11 in best ball drafts. He could quickly rise up the ranks if more positive reports on him come out early in training camp.
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menobrown said:
-jb- said:
There seems to be an incredible amount of drool happening with Hall this year…but I can’t shake my skepticism. I get that he’s still young, surgical/rehab techniques have evolved, etc., but the odds are still against him this year.

Are people drooling because they think he’s going to be incredible, or just that he presents ADP value?

For me, this year looks a lot like 10ish solid early round RB bets, followed by about 12 bets that are indistinguishable in terms of overall outlook (albeit for varied reasons).

Yet the Twitter cesspool has him all over the never ending list of hot takes as being can’t miss (yes I realize that they are indeed just hot takes, but Hall is the name that just keeps showing up).

Make it make sense.
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The world has over 8 billion people and over 50 million of them play fantasy football so you can likely find an opinion on everything so I'm sure there are some people crazy over Hall but in a general sense I'm just not getting this "drool" hype feel on Breece from people you are talking about. His ADP in FFPC leagues over the last few days is a mid third, RB11 and no one has pulled him before round 3. And this type of format, the large scale national type contests, are probably more conducive for taking shots on a homerun.

Considering he was arguably as good as any RB in the league on a per touch basis, they added a 4 time MVP QB over a QB who played like a turd and the OL projects as improved this all just seems more like cautious optimism then drooling.
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FF “pundits” on Twitter call him out as “the guy to draft in the third” or “league winner” or “priority target” or whatever. It’s his name that I see most consistently. As we get into training camp and the beat reporter clickbait starts kicking in, he will be mid second. Could it be worth it? Sure. Maybe he’s the next AP or JC…but the odds are against him. They’re the exceptions that prove the rule. For my liking (I certainly don’t speak for everyone), “cautious optimism should be a late 4th early 5th thing. With other healthy options in the third the juice ain’t worth the squeeze for me.
 
Jets placed RB Breece Hall (knee) on the active/PUP list.

Hall suffered a torn ACL in Week 7 last year and will be on the sidelines to begin training camp. The Jets can remove him from the PUP list at any time before the start of the season. If he isn’t ready to go by the cutdown deadline at the end of August, they will move him to the reserve/PUP list. He will be required to miss at least four games if that happens. His initial placement on the PUP list wasn’t much of a surprise, so fantasy drafters remain stuck in a holding pattern for now. If healthy, Hall looks like a good bet for a breakout season after totaling 681 yards from scrimmage across seven games as a rookie.
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Jets HC Robert Saleh said Breece Hall “looks really good” as he continues to recover from a torn ACL.

Hall was placed on the PUP list to start training camp, but he’s been working to get back on the field. Hall reportedly hit 23 MPH on GPS the other day, with Saleh acknowledging the second-year running back is “in really good shape.” Hall is already on record saying he expects to play in Week 1, but Saleh has taken a more measured approach when answering questions about Hall’s impending return. It sounds like Hall is trending in the right direction, and the Jets have little need to rush him back to the field at this point. We’ll continue to remain optimistic on Hall’s status barring any news of a setback.
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Deamon said:
How much does the imminent Cook signing hurt Breece this year?
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Going to be a heavily debated topic on how it impacts them both if he signs with the Jets.

One thing for sure the only owners of any of those two who might be remotely happy with it is some Hall dynasty owners whose teams may not be in a position to compete and they might welcome the ability for the Jets to give Hall more ample time to heal before ramping him up and in general lessen his wear and tear for the long haul. I'm a Hall dynasty owner who is not in that camp, I don't want to see Dalvin, and somewhat ironically I got Hall in one league by trading Dalvin for him last year.

Have not seen anything in last day or two since the signing started to look more like a real possibility from any Jets beat writers I follow about usage but almost all of them in the past few weeks seemed to indicate that Dalvin would spell Breece once he's fully back. That runs counter to the CBS report yesterday. I reserve the right to change my opinion based on updated reporting and coach speak but I tend to believe the earlier reports from the Jets beat writers, that once Breece is up to speed he'll be the 1A. Opinions will vary but I'd guess the least popular one will be where someone thinks there is a clear cut 1 and a 2, I'm sure most will think it's a 1A/1B type of situation while both are healthy.

Unlike Cook, Hall will be a big part of the teams future and I think the team will need to be cautious of how they treat Hall, depressed RB market or not. From some post social activity from Hall he did not seem to at all mind the Jets interest in Dalvin. That's smart because he's got 3 years left on his contract and two years before the Jets can make an adjustment to his contract. The only extra pay he can earn in 24-25 is performance incentives, similar to what Taylor earned, which basically got him an extra $2.6m this year, which is not chump change for a RB. But bottom line is this allows Hall time to recover without as much pressure and can lessen his wear and tear and put him in a better situation when he can get an extension. BUT, it's human nature to that that Hall might feel a little uneasy at times over fact Dalvin's going to be making a lot more money then he will be in 2023, that the Jet's can't do anything about that will soften most of that blow but still can be hard to take. You try and make Dalvin the clear cut 1 to a healthy Breece, as CBS suggested, that's one sure fire way to cause immense contempt from Hall and alienate him. I feel fairly strong that's not at all what they want to do.

My thought right now is when both are healthy that either both will mid to low end RB'2s or a mid RB2 with a high end RB3 kind of thing and my guess is Dalvin starts the year as the better producer and Hall takes over as that guy, something in that range. I do expect them both to be heavily involved in the passing game since they don't have a whole lot other then Wilson which always helps in RBBC. I expect better out of the second RB then Hackett got out of Dillon due to pass catching role.

Still hoping someone else steps up and steals Dalvin away but losing hope. Not end of the world for Dalvin, but you can pour one out for the 2023 outlook for Israel, Bam and Carter.
 
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If the Jets sign Dalvin, that should allow the team time to ease Hall back in, at minimum, and likely to share the load down the stretch. It is a good football move by the Jets, but not necessarily a great fantasy arrangement if you were hoping either for (1) Hall to return this season to a heavy workload, or (2) Cook to secure a season-long bell cow job.

If you are a Hall dynasty manager, this is arguably a long-term positive, but it may put a damper on his 2023 value.

If you are a Cook manager, there are not any situations that are especially more attractive, to be honest. Miami? Perhaps he would be the lead in a RBBC. New England? Meh, RBBC. Buffalo? Possibly, but again, it is a RBBC. Waiting to see if there is a camp injury could open up a better situation, but Hunt, Fournette, and Zeke are also competing for the same scraps, and they might be cheaper options.
 
I thought I had a sweet team I built on Sunday as I got Hall in the 5th round...so much for that. I should known considering I was told on May 30th that Cook would either sign with the Jets or the Bills. I should have listened.
 
socrates said:
If the Jets sign Dalvin, that should allow the team time to ease Hall back in, at minimum, and likely to share the load down the stretch. It is a good football move by the Jets, but not necessarily a great fantasy arrangement if you were hoping either for (1) Hall to return this season to a heavy workload, or (2) Cook to secure a season-long bell cow job.

If you are a Hall dynasty manager, this is arguably a long-term positive, but it may put a damper on his 2023 value.
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I dunno - I thought that between Carter, Izzy & Knight they’d have plenty of viable RBs to ease Hall back in if that indeed is the plan.

I think Cook makes much more sense for MIA considering they have methuselah Mostert, Jeffery Mr Glass, and tiny Achane.

Izzy would make so much mote sense as a bridge / committee guy if Hall needs more time.
socrates said:
If you are a Cook manager, there are not any situations that are especially more attractive, to be honest. Miami? Perhaps he would be the lead in a RBBC. New England? Meh, RBBC. Buffalo? Possibly, but again, it is a RBBC. Waiting to see if there is a camp injury could open up a better situation, but Hunt, Fournette, and Zeke are also competing for the same scraps, and they might be cheaper options.
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He’d be the lead dog in Miami. That’s about it. None of those other situations seem likely to produce a larger share of the touches.

But like I said earlier, it might just be that Cook wants to go where he believes his best shot at a ring is, of his available options.

Or, as others have said, maybe he’s using NYJ to drive up Miami’s price. Seems like the wrong time of year for that, but teams can and do get creative.
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
socrates said:
If the Jets sign Dalvin, that should allow the team time to ease Hall back in, at minimum, and likely to share the load down the stretch. It is a good football move by the Jets, but not necessarily a great fantasy arrangement if you were hoping either for (1) Hall to return this season to a heavy workload, or (2) Cook to secure a season-long bell cow job.

If you are a Hall dynasty manager, this is arguably a long-term positive, but it may put a damper on his 2023 value.
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I dunno - I thought that between Carter, Izzy & Knight they’d have plenty of viable RBs to ease Hall back in if that indeed is the plan.

I think Cook makes much more sense for MIA considering they have methuselah Mostert, Jeffery Mr Glass, and tiny Achane.

Izzy would make so much mote sense as a bridge / committee guy if Hall needs more time.
socrates said:
If you are a Cook manager, there are not any situations that are especially more attractive, to be honest. Miami? Perhaps he would be the lead in a RBBC. New England? Meh, RBBC. Buffalo? Possibly, but again, it is a RBBC. Waiting to see if there is a camp injury could open up a better situation, but Hunt, Fournette, and Zeke are also competing for the same scraps, and they might be cheaper options.
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He’d be the lead dog in Miami. That’s about it. None of those other situations seem likely to produce a larger share of the touches.

But like I said earlier, it might just be that Cook wants to go where he believes his best shot at a ring is, of his available options.

Or, as others have said, maybe he’s using NYJ to drive up Miami’s price. Seems like the wrong time of year for that, but teams can and do get creative.
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Neither Carter nor Knight is lead-back material, IMO. Izzy may be a decent stop-gap, but his NFL value is speculative. You don't bring in Aaron Rodgers to lead your team and hang your running game hopes on a 5th Rd. rookie. The Jets are all in on the 2023 season, so, from the team's perspective, it makes sense to add Dalvin Cook. Are there better options for Cook? Perhaps Miami offers a clearer path to a season-long RB1 gig, although the Dolphins also seem destined for some sort of platoon at RB. Tampa, on paper, looks like a good opportunity, but they just parted with another veteran back in Fournette. Buffalo already has Cook's baby brother, plus they brought in Harris. In New England, Rhamondre Stevenson is going to be the lead back, although the depth chart behind him is not established. For at least half a season, the Jets job is fairly secure for Cook. He would undoubtedly face some competition for carries from Carter, Knight, and Izzy, but clearly, Cook would be favored as the lead dog until Hall returns.
 
socrates said:
Neither Carter nor Knight is lead-back material, IMO. Izzy may be a decent stop-gap, but his NFL value is speculative. You don't bring in Aaron Rodgers to lead your team and hang your running game hopes on a 5th Rd. rookie. The Jets are all in on the 2023 season, so, from the team's perspective, it makes sense to add Dalvin Cook. Are there better options for Cook? Perhaps Miami offers a clearer path to a season-long RB1 gig, although the Dolphins also seem destined for some sort of platoon at RB. Tampa, on paper, looks like a good opportunity, but they just parted with another veteran back in Fournette. Buffalo already has Cook's baby brother, plus they brought in Harris. In New England, Rhamondre Stevenson is going to be the lead back, although the depth chart behind him is not established. For at least half a season, the Jets job is fairly secure for Cook. He would undoubtedly face some competition for carries from Carter, Knight, and Izzy, but clearly, Cook would be favored as the lead dog until Hall returns.
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that’s assuming Hall is out for 1/2 a season.

To date all the word has been that he’ll be ready for game 1 so it would seem like a bit of overkill.

Even if he’s expected to be held out weeks 1-3, Izzy, Carter & Knight could surely hold down the fort with a great defense & vastly improved passing game.

Just seems like a roster spot/money that could better be spent elsewhere than a semi-washed Cook.
 
I’m a cook owner, and I’m totally confused why he would want to go there, hall will be back and it will be a split, there not winning a superbowl in my opinion, so I don’t get it.
 
cantstop1999 said:
I’m a cook owner, and I’m totally confused why he would want to go there, hall will be back and it will be a split, there not winning a superbowl in my opinion, so I don’t get it.
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Money. In the end these guys realize they have a short wick. They can say they want to win but especially as an RB you have to believe it is about the benjamin’s. My money is on NYJ signing him as they seem to think they have a shot this year.
 
rockaction said:
Weebs210 said:
Dalvin had some of the most 0 yard plays last year along with some really bad advanced stats
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Yeah. I looked RYOE per carry and it was not pretty. He was among the worst in the league at the statistic. We'll see if he's done, though. I thought teams learned their lesson with Le'Veon Bell, but I guess not. Only takes one sucker.
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And that sucker will be the Jets....again.
 
Dez said:
Guy on NFL Network just said Dalvin Cook is still a top 5 NFL RB
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He was a top 5 back in 2020. 2019 is the only other year he was a top 10 back.

PFF had his as 28 out of 32 RBs with 175 carries last year. 47th out of 62 with 70 carries. He was one of worst backs in the league after contact.

Another year older I am not sure he is a top 50 back
 
JohnnyU said:
Weebs210 said:
Dez said:
Guy on NFL Network just said Dalvin Cook is still a top 5 NFL RB
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Dalvin had some of the most 0 yard plays last year along with some really bad advanced stats. He got carried by volume. Healthy Breece > Cook at this point pretty easily.
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I suppose we need to face the music, Breece Hall may not be a lot of help to our fantasy teams in 2023.
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Why do you say that? It seems like a pretty extreme expectation.
 
Ilov80s said:
JohnnyU said:
Weebs210 said:
Dez said:
Guy on NFL Network just said Dalvin Cook is still a top 5 NFL RB
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Dalvin had some of the most 0 yard plays last year along with some really bad advanced stats. He got carried by volume. Healthy Breece > Cook at this point pretty easily.
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I suppose we need to face the music, Breece Hall may not be a lot of help to our fantasy teams in 2023.
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Why do you say that? It seems like a pretty extreme expectation.
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People are just throwing **** against the wall at this point. Some people are acting as if Cook has actually signed with the Jets.
I mean, maybe we should actually wait for it to happen before burying Hall or making wild speculation.
I’m not saying the Jets won’t sign Cook - but let’s not act like it’s a given.
 
Dr. Octopus said:
People are just throwing **** against the wall at this point.
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I gotta say that I don't think that's the case. I think there's a metric ton of smoke coming from those quarters. Started with the Gibbs rumors, further manifested itself in the pick of Abanikanda, and now we've got Dalvin Cook hanging around the facility.
 
rockaction said:
Dr. Octopus said:
People are just throwing **** against the wall at this point.
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I gotta say that I don't think that's the case. I think there's a metric ton of smoke coming from those quarters. Started with the Gibbs rumors, further manifested itself in the pick of Abanikanda, and now we've got Dalvin Cook hanging around the facility.
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I see that as a few rumors and a fifth round draft pick?

I can also point to all the talk from Hall and the coaching staff about him being ready and running at full speed already. I get there’s more than just straight line speed necessary for a full recovery but we’re six weeks away from Week 1 still.

So why is one side’s noise so persuasive and the other noise just noise?

Once again, let’s see if Cook actually signs - it may happen. It may not.
 
Dr. Octopus said:
So why is one side’s noise so persuasive and the other noise just noise?
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I think because there's more evidence that the Jets are looking to add to their RB room than there is evidence that they're not. I mean, they can talk a blue streak about how Hall is going to be ready, but that doesn't mean that

a) they're not preparing for the worst
b) they're not looking to add to the room anyway

Praising Hall and saying he's going to be ready and adding another back just in case seems like actually the smart managerial stance. The only thing not smart about it is paying Dalvin Cook upwards of seven or eight million to play for them this year.
 
Ilov80s said:
JohnnyU said:
Weebs210 said:
Dez said:
Guy on NFL Network just said Dalvin Cook is still a top 5 NFL RB
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Dalvin had some of the most 0 yard plays last year along with some really bad advanced stats. He got carried by volume. Healthy Breece > Cook at this point pretty easily.
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I suppose we need to face the music, Breece Hall may not be a lot of help to our fantasy teams in 2023.
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Why do you say that? It seems like a pretty extreme expectation.
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Because I have my doubts about Hall's health in 2023. I hope he's heathy because I have him in one league.
 
rockaction said:
Dr. Octopus said:
So why is one side’s noise so persuasive and the other noise just noise?
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I think because there's more evidence that the Jets are looking to add to their RB room than there is evidence that they're not. I mean, they can talk a blue streak about how Hall is going to be ready, but that doesn't mean that

a) they're not preparing for the worst
b) they're not looking to add to the room anyway

Praising Hall and saying he's going to be ready and adding another back just in case seems like actually the smart managerial stance. The only thing not smart about it is paying Dalvin Cook upwards of seven or eight million to play for them this year.
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If they do sign Cook, then I’ll say the smoke was a real thing. Right now there’s really been no actual manifestations from any of this smoke about adding to the RB room other than a 5th round pick. There were a lot of teams that added late round RBs - some after already adding a back earlier in the draft.
 
I fully accept that Hall will likely start the year off slowly as he recovers - my position is they are already set up well to deal with that possibility in-house. Right now the Jets are just as likely as Miami or New England to sign Cook I suppose - I’m just not willing to act like it’s already happened like some seem to be.
 
Hall is fine long term. If they sign Cook this will be at a minimum a RBBC.

What does this say about their confidence level in Michael Carter? Not much.

Cook also has a habit of getting dinged up as well.

I have no shares in any of these guys. If I were a Hall owner again.....no worries for the long term (granted he makes a full recovery). He is a stud. And he is young. Cook is insurance. Be it he will be expensive insurance because I gotta imagine he will get at least 5-6MM per year on maybe a 2 year deal?

Who knows. Has any potential contract numbers been leaked out? And who is to say Cook is not using the Jets as leverage to get to another destination he rather be in.
 
Todem said:
And who is to say Cook is not using the Jets as leverage to get to another destination he rather be in.
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This is what I thought when I saw Cook was going to the Jets and then the Patriots.

I don't think either team is good for him and he really wants to go to Miami (he'll be the starter, no state income tax, etc.). Miami makes all the sense in the world for him.
 
rockaction said:
Todem said:
And who is to say Cook is not using the Jets as leverage to get to another destination he rather be in.
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This is what I thought when I saw Cook was going to the Jets and then the Patriots.

I don't think either team is good for him and he really wants to go to Miami (he'll be the starter, no state income tax, etc.). Miami makes all the sense in the world for him.
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Would love him down here.....but he will have to play for peanuts. Miami’s cap situation stinks. So we will see how this all works out. But he is immediately RB1 down here.....3 down back. Period.
 
Todem said:
What does this say about their confidence level in Michael Carter? Not much.
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He looked very good as a rookie. Last season he seemed much slower to the hole. Not sure what happened but it does seem maybe the staff lost some faith in him. Knight kind of passed him in-season last year anyway.
 
rockaction said:
The only thing not smart about it is paying Dalvin Cook upwards of seven or eight million to play for them this year.
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Probably not in general but maybe Rodgers wants it and he if he wants he absolutely deserves to get it. They are basically spending his money he gave him and I have no doubt he has a massive say in how some of it is spent.
 
Just caught a short interview on espn with Cook and when asked the impact Rodgers has had in these discussions, he said huge and that he’s been involved a lot in the recruitment.
 
menobrown said:
rockaction said:
The only thing not smart about it is paying Dalvin Cook upwards of seven or eight million to play for them this year.
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Probably not in general but maybe Rodgers wants it and he if he wants he absolutely deserves to get it. They are basically spending his money he gave him and I have no doubt he has a massive say in how some of it is spent.
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Yes. I agree that it's Rodgers's money and they're going to do him solid by getting a player or two they otherwise wouldn't have.

Now this is purely throwing **** at a wall, but it wouldn't surprise me if they made a major effort for Davante Adams.
 
Dr. Octopus said:
Hot Sauce Guy said:
rockaction said:
Now this is purely throwing **** at a wall, but it wouldn't surprise me if they made a major effort for Davante Adams.
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That occurred to me as well. Adams isn’t happy in OAK.

Makes all the sense in the world.
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Oakland paid a lot for him though - not sure what they would want back but the Jets already don’t have their first for next season.
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Maybe just absorbing most of his contract + a 2nd woild get it done.
 
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