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RB Carlos Hyde, JAC (1 Viewer)

cloppbeast said:
If one gets Carlos Hyde, one must also draft Joe Williams, I think that's the take away. As bill murray mentioned above, Joe Williams is super cheap. So there is no excuse not to take him for insurance.
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I would be careful and watch camp. Matt Breida seemed to be getting all the OTA love. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Hyde missed 3 games last year and was an RB1 in ppg for standard. That's good to me, especially on such a weak offense and offensive line. He was 3rd in the NFL is yards after contact per game. He also has showed some chops as a receiver. 
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I have often pondered (living in N. Texas- but a Falcon fan) if the 2 highly touted (similar in many ways),Ohio State RB's in the last couple of years had played for the opposite teams last season what would have been the outcome? IMO Zeke would not be the rookie sensation and most of this post would be talking about the great Carlos Hyde season behind theCows vaunted OLine.

 
cloppbeast said:
If one gets Carlos Hyde, one must also draft Joe Williams, I think that's the take away. As bill murray mentioned above, Joe Williams is super cheap. So there is no excuse not to take him for insurance.
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Dreaming, in redraft Hightower is the handcuff. Williams is overrated and another idiot.

 
Ilov80s said:
I would be careful and watch camp. Matt Breida seemed to be getting all the OTA love. 
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I just watched this guys highlights and like what I see. Needed a 6th RB in my MFL 10 and was going to go Smallwood but screw it, Breida it is.

 
pbandy1 said:
I just watched this guys highlights and like what I see. Needed a 6th RB in my MFL 10 and was going to go Smallwood but screw it, Breida it is.
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Breida played for my alma mater and I saw a number of his games on TV.  He is the real deal.  Off the charts on his measurable/ numbers.  Last season Georgia Southern had a coach who did not play to his strengths so he went undrafted.  Supposedly 17 teams wanted him after the Draft.  I think Shanahan had an inside track early on procuring him and Lynch knew he could pick up Breida as UDFA.  Hyde's handcuff- probable starter 2018 IMO.

 
texasbirdfan said:
Breida played for my alma mater and I saw a number of his games on TV.  He is the real deal.  Off the charts on his measurable/ numbers.  Last season Georgia Southern had a coach who did not play to his strengths so he went undrafted.  Supposedly 17 teams wanted him after the Draft.  I think Shanahan had an inside track early on procuring him and Lynch knew he could pick up Breida as UDFA.  Hyde's handcuff- probable starter 2018 IMO.
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17 teams wanted him after the draft but 0 wanted him enough to draft him. Chances of him being the starter in '18 are very very slim.

 
texasbirdfan said:
Breida played for my alma mater and I saw a number of his games on TV.  He is the real deal.  Off the charts on his measurable/ numbers.  Last season Georgia Southern had a coach who did not play to his strengths so he went undrafted.  Supposedly 17 teams wanted him after the Draft.  I think Shanahan had an inside track early on procuring him and Lynch knew he could pick up Breida as UDFA.  Hyde's handcuff- probable starter 2018 IMO.
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I thought I saw a chart and his crazy SPARQ score (like, #1... I think Kamara is #3).

 
TripItUp said:
Per FF calculator ADP Hyde is going 3.09

:yuck:
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Hyde ADP is 5.02 in the Fantasy Championship.  I would rather rely on real draft info then mock info who knows what yahoo's are out there mocking it up.  I will use the ADP where people are plunking down $250 a pop in an attempt to win $200,000 over these mocking sites.  I did an RTS draft a couple weeks ago and got Hyde at the 6.02.  In my 23 real money drafts so far this year I don't think I seen Hyde go in the 3rd round once.  Usually 5th round with your 4th or 6th thrown in here or there.

https://www.fantasychampionship.com/adp

 
Dez said:
Hyde ADP is 5.02 in the Fantasy Championship.  I would rather rely on real draft info then mock info who knows what yahoo's are out there mocking it up.  I will use the ADP where people are plunking down $250 a pop in an attempt to win $200,000 over these mocking sites.  I did an RTS draft a couple weeks ago and got Hyde at the 6.02.  In my 23 real money drafts so far this year I don't think I seen Hyde go in the 3rd round once.  Usually 5th round with your 4th or 6th thrown in here or there.

https://www.fantasychampionship.com/adp
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Are those ppr drafts?

 
Dez said:
Hyde ADP is 5.02 in the Fantasy Championship.  I would rather rely on real draft info then mock info who knows what yahoo's are out there mocking it up.  I will use the ADP where people are plunking down $250 a pop in an attempt to win $200,000 over these mocking sites.  I did an RTS draft a couple weeks ago and got Hyde at the 6.02.  In my 23 real money drafts so far this year I don't think I seen Hyde go in the 3rd round once.  Usually 5th round with your 4th or 6th thrown in here or there.

https://www.fantasychampionship.com/adp
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This sums up what I have seen thus far in 3 FFPC best ball drafts. Avg is mid 5th round. 

 
Ilov80s said:
I don't know where he ranks in the draft class, but he has an A level SPARQ score 
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The SPARQ measurements absolutely have to be one of the most overregarded pieces of information out there.  It seems to have little correlation to success as a NFL player.  It wouldn't even surprise me if the correlation turned out to be a negative number.

 
Bronco Billy said:
The SPARQ measurements absolutely have to be one of the most overregarded pieces of information out there.  It seems to have little correlation to success as a NFL player.  It wouldn't even surprise me if the correlation turned out to be a negative number.
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Right and McKinnon is the ultimate example. With Breida there isn't much to say since all his game tape is against weak opposition. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Right and McKinnon is the ultimate example. With Breida there isn't much to say since all his game tape is against weak opposition. 
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Isn't much cost either, dude went undrafted in my 16 team, 7 round rookie draft.  Kapri freaking bipps is still rostered but brieda was undrafted, including by me. 

 
Gregg Rosenthal mentioned on the most recent Around the NFL podcast that he's heard Carlos Hyde could be a surprise training camp cut.

A former longtime Rotoworld editor, Rosenthal now writes for NFL.com, frequently appears on NFL Network, and has cultivated enough connections that what he's hearing is noteworthy. Since the 49ers' new regime took over, coach Kyle Shanahan and GM John Lynch have been outwardly clear that San Francisco's running back situation needs upgrading, whether by signing (Tim Hightower), trading for (Kapri Bibbs), and drafting (Joe Williams) backs or Shanahan's suggestion that Hyde has personal improvement to make. We still believe Hyde could fetch something via trade, even in a contract year at a devalued position. The Niners would probably be willing to part with Hyde for a fourth-round pick, if not less.

Source: Around the NFL Podcast
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I drafted hyde and joe williams so this would be a dream come true.  I don't think hightower or bribbs is the answer. 

 
texasbirdfan said:
Breida played for my alma mater and I saw a number of his games on TV.  He is the real deal.  Off the charts on his measurable/ numbers.  Last season Georgia Southern had a coach who did not play to his strengths so he went undrafted.  Supposedly 17 teams wanted him after the Draft.  I think Shanahan had an inside track early on procuring him and Lynch knew he could pick up Breida as UDFA.  Hyde's handcuff- probable starter 2018 IMO.
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What strengths does Breida have that the coach did not play to?

Why?

I am aware that Brieda barely got to play his last year, but it isn't clear to me the reason for this. Perhaps your familiarity with the team could shed some light on this and expand on your point about the coach not playing to Briedas strengths.

In my view if the RB is really good, they shouldn't need the coach to play to their strengths, as the player would be able to do what the coach is asking of them. That is basically what Shanahan is saying about Carlos Hyde, that he is a good RB and would be successful in any scheme. 

 
Biabreakable said:
What strengths does Breida have that the coach did not play to?

Why?

I am aware that Brieda barely got to play his last year, but it isn't clear to me the reason for this. Perhaps your familiarity with the team could shed some light on this and expand on your point about the coach not playing to Briedas strengths.

In my view if the RB is really good, they shouldn't need the coach to play to their strengths, as the player would be able to do what the coach is asking of them. That is basically what Shanahan is saying about Carlos Hyde, that he is a good RB and would be successful in any scheme. 
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Right, his lack of playing time is very perplexing- especially considering how dominant he was in 2015 (1600 yards, 17 TDs and 7.9 ypc) and 2014 (1485 yards, 17 TDs and 8.7 ypc). A big negative on Breida is pass catching, only 22 receptions in 3 seasons. 

 
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I'd be fine with him getting cut, that would allow him to choose what team he goes to. The best possible landing spot for him would be Oakland.  Lynch is a joke/publicity stunt. If they have a real RB they could go all the way, and Hyde is legit. Their 2 young RBs are more 3rd down backs than work horses.

Highly doubt they get him though because I think he stays in SF.

 
Biabreakable said:
What strengths does Breida have that the coach did not play to?

Why?

I am aware that Brieda barely got to play his last year, but it isn't clear to me the reason for this. Perhaps your familiarity with the team could shed some light on this and expand on your point about the coach not playing to Briedas strengths.

In my view if the RB is really good, they shouldn't need the coach to play to their strengths, as the player would be able to do what the coach is asking of them. That is basically what Shanahan is saying about Carlos Hyde, that he is a good RB and would be successful in any scheme. 
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Augusta Chronicle; STATESBORO, Ga. — Georgia Southern’s prized stable of running backs have been surprisingly quiet through the first two games of the season. The trio of senior Matt Breida, junior LA Ramsby and sophomore Wesley Fields combined for nine 100-yard rushing performances in 2015, but none of them ran for more than 100 yards against Savannah State or South Alabama.

None of them have a problem with it, either.

“It doesn’t matter who runs for 100 yards, as long as we win,” Ramsby said. ....

It all comes down to who the defense wants to key on, Ramsby said, and all the preseason hype has surrounded him, Breida and Fields. The difference with this year’s Georgia Southern offense is if defenses sell out to stop the running backs, it can make them pay with other weapons.

“I feel like a lot of teams have tried to stop us first,” Ramsby said. “The backfield is the cornerstone of our team, but we’ve got two athletic quarterbacks and good receivers. We’ve got a good line. We’re starting to spread the ball around a lot more, so that’s good for our offense to take the attention off the backfield. I’m looking forward to more games down the road, developing our offense a little better and scoring more points.”......

“It’s going to be pretty tough when you’ve got three good backs,” Fields said. “As long as we’re getting positive yards and helping the team, I think things will be pretty good.

“We’re trying to be a better offense and be as effective in the passing game as we are in the rushing game.”......

 
Ilov80s said:
Right and McKinnon is the ultimate example. With Breida there isn't much to say since all his game tape is against weak opposition. 
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Georgia Southern has been FBS for awhile and plays a major schedule.  I guess you would have passed on David Johnson out of Northern Iowa or HOF Jerry Rice or Brett Favre for dynasty?

 
texasbirdfan said:
Georgia Southern has been FBS for awhile and plays a major schedule.  I guess you would have passed on David Johnson out of Northern Iowa or HOF Jerry Rice or Brett Favre for dynasty?
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I was the person here telling everyone to keep an eye on Breida. I was just agreeing that great athletic numbers are no guarantee of success. Also, it's tough to compare Bredia to David Johnson because Breida does not have prototypical size, does not catch passes and had a really bad senior year (646 yards, 3.8 ypc, 5 TDs in 12 games).  

 
Ilov80s said:
I was the person here telling everyone to keep an eye on Breida. I was just agreeing that great athletic numbers are no guarantee of success. Also, it's tough to compare Bredia to David Johnson because Breida does not have prototypical size, does not catch passes and had a really bad senior year (646 yards, 3.8 ypc, 5 TDs in 12 games).  
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OK.  Gottcha.....  Breida's lack of catching was not ability but scheme.  Southern has run a derivative of their "Hambone" developed in the mid 1980's that focuses on a running qb and multiple running backs....There are a handful of teams that utilize this offense and along with Georgia Southern lead the nation every year in rushing but have extremely low passing/ receiving stats

 
texasbirdfan said:
Georgia Southern has been FBS for awhile and plays a major schedule.  I guess you would have passed on David Johnson out of Northern Iowa or HOF Jerry Rice or Brett Favre for dynasty?
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Really?  You really sincerely feel that Breida is comparable to Johnson, Rice, or Favre?  C'mon get just a modicum of realistic perspective.

 
Bronco Billy said:
Really?  You really sincerely feel that Breida is comparable to Johnson, Rice, or Favre?  C'mon get just a modicum of realistic perspective.
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Obviously I didn't elaborate.  Rice- small school in Mississippi minor schedule,  Favre- Southern Mississippi - minor schedule, Johnson, Northern Iowa- FCS- not a major schedule- many thought he would be great in the NFL- there were many including some on this board, who would point out where he had played as a detraction ....

 
Can we just all agree that we have no idea who will be the lead back and wait until training camp?  The "news" that's coming out about Hyde is just reporter speculation because there's no real news to discuss.

 
steelers1080 said:
Can we just all agree that we have no idea who will be the lead back and wait until training camp?  The "news" that's coming out about Hyde is just reporter speculation because there's no real news to discuss.
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Nope. It's 90% certain to be Hyde.

 
texasbirdfan said:
I have often pondered (living in N. Texas- but a Falcon fan) if the 2 highly touted (similar in many ways),Ohio State RB's in the last couple of years had played for the opposite teams last season what would have been the outcome? IMO Zeke would not be the rookie sensation and most of this post would be talking about the great Carlos Hyde season behind theCows vaunted OLine.
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Interesting thought. Watching most snaps of both in college, Zeke is a far more complete back in just about every way. You can compliment his line, sure, but it's not like Chip Kelly's running attack was miserable in the NFL. I'm guessing Zeke would have had a better season in SF  than Hyde did but Dallas may have been a bit closer still giving the edge to Zeke. Hyde can not and will not get many runs over 20 yds.

 
steelers1080 said:
Can we just all agree that we have no idea who will be the lead back and wait until training camp?  The "news" that's coming out about Hyde is just reporter speculation because there's no real news to discuss.
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I do find it funny that these local reporters like to point out that Hyde is learning a new offense and point to that as a reason he has such a tenuous grip on the RB job. Did I miss something? I didn't notice Joe Williams, Tim Hightower, Breida, or Bibbs running the Shanahan offense last year. Aren't they all learning a new offense as well?

A lot is also made of the fact they brought all these guys in so Hyde must be on the hot-seat. Without bringing those guys in the backfield would have been Hyde and a "Raheem Mostert". Doesn't surprise me at all that they brought in a bunch of cheap, third day of the draft RB's. What would their backfield look like if they hadn't? You can't go into a season with two RB's on the roster. Especially if the only legitimate one has an injury history like Hyde.

Now, if you want to fade Hyde due to injury risk I have no problem with that argument. But the idea that this cast of misfit toys is the real thing because SF "doesn't like Hyde" seems like a stretch. 

 
Carlos Hyde has played in just 34 of 48 games in his brief 3-yr NFL career, griding out a ho-hum career average of  just 4.3 yards per carry and a dismal 16.6 recs/yr, playing in an offense ( Shanahan's ) that is predicated on ZBS and RB's having hands made of glue catching everything in sight. Hyde is a TERRIBLE fit for this offense..

last year, in his best season as an NFL player  - under Chip Kelly's supposedly good offense,  Hyde played in just 13 games and scored just 6 TDs,and missed rushing for 1000 yards - he STILL hasn't rushed for over 1000 yards in his career..he's allergic to TDs, proven true the fact the he has scored just 13 TDs in 3 years, a lousy 4.3 TD/yr avg. 

we have people argung over who is right, who said what, bla bla bla..

Hyde sucks I just don't see any other way to put it..you want to argue over a 6th-7th round draft pick? you can't find a better WR or TE in the 6th or 7th? Hyde is as poor a play as there ever is or ever was in Fantasy Football, Trent Richardson excluded of course..

I mean really folks, why are we having a discussion about a bordeline backup RB who was a starter simply because they had nothing else to throw out there..??

there's nothing to see with Hyde,let someone else be silly enough to draft him

 
Tanner9919 said:
Carlos Hyde has played in just 34 of 48 games in his brief 3-yr NFL career, griding out a ho-hum career average of  just 4.3 yards per carry and a dismal 16.6 recs/yr, playing in an offense ( Shanahan's ) that is predicated on ZBS and RB's having hands made of glue catching everything in sight. Hyde is a TERRIBLE fit for this offense..

last year, in his best season as an NFL player  - under Chip Kelly's supposedly good offense,  Hyde played in just 13 games and scored just 6 TDs,and missed rushing for 1000 yards - he STILL hasn't rushed for over 1000 yards in his career..he's allergic to TDs, proven true the fact the he has scored just 13 TDs in 3 years, a lousy 4.3 TD/yr avg. 

we have people argung over who is right, who said what, bla bla bla..

Hyde sucks I just don't see any other way to put it..you want to argue over a 6th-7th round draft pick? you can't find a better WR or TE in the 6th or 7th? Hyde is as poor a play as there ever is or ever was in Fantasy Football, Trent Richardson excluded of course..

I mean really folks, why are we having a discussion about a bordeline backup RB who was a starter simply because they had nothing else to throw out there..??

there's nothing to see with Hyde,let someone else be silly enough to draft him
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You really don't get football but keep hoping. Yeah, the 49ers offense last year was a great situation, right.

 
Tanner9919 said:
Carlos Hyde has played in just 34 of 48 games in his brief 3-yr NFL career, griding out a ho-hum career average of  just 4.3 yards per carry and a dismal 16.6 recs/yr, playing in an offense ( Shanahan's ) that is predicated on ZBS and RB's having hands made of glue catching everything in sight. Hyde is a TERRIBLE fit for this offense..

last year, in his best season as an NFL player  - under Chip Kelly's supposedly good offense,  Hyde played in just 13 games and scored just 6 TDs,and missed rushing for 1000 yards - he STILL hasn't rushed for over 1000 yards in his career..he's allergic to TDs, proven true the fact the he has scored just 13 TDs in 3 years, a lousy 4.3 TD/yr avg. 

we have people argung over who is right, who said what, bla bla bla..

Hyde sucks I just don't see any other way to put it..you want to argue over a 6th-7th round draft pick? you can't find a better WR or TE in the 6th or 7th? Hyde is as poor a play as there ever is or ever was in Fantasy Football, Trent Richardson excluded of course..

I mean really folks, why are we having a discussion about a bordeline backup RB who was a starter simply because they had nothing else to throw out there..??

there's nothing to see with Hyde,let someone else be silly enough to draft him
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I hope you're not in leagues with high entry fees.

 
Tanner9919 said:
Carlos Hyde has played in just 34 of 48 games in his brief 3-yr NFL career, griding out a ho-hum career average of  just 4.3 yards per carry and a dismal 16.6 recs/yr, playing in an offense ( Shanahan's ) that is predicated on ZBS and RB's having hands made of glue catching everything in sight. Hyde is a TERRIBLE fit for this offense..

last year, in his best season as an NFL player  - under Chip Kelly's supposedly good offense,  Hyde played in just 13 games and scored just 6 TDs,and missed rushing for 1000 yards - he STILL hasn't rushed for over 1000 yards in his career..he's allergic to TDs, proven true the fact the he has scored just 13 TDs in 3 years, a lousy 4.3 TD/yr avg. 

we have people argung over who is right, who said what, bla bla bla..

Hyde sucks I just don't see any other way to put it..you want to argue over a 6th-7th round draft pick? you can't find a better WR or TE in the 6th or 7th? Hyde is as poor a play as there ever is or ever was in Fantasy Football, Trent Richardson excluded of course..

I mean really folks, why are we having a discussion about a bordeline backup RB who was a starter simply because they had nothing else to throw out there..??

there's nothing to see with Hyde,let someone else be silly enough to draft him
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I think your getting pretty close to some posters..  Good spirit!  Good conviction!   Honestly, I'm kinda onboard with your post..  But, Hyde is starting opening day..  Think that's almost guaranteed, by the way things are handled in the NFL..  (1st snap at a min.)  No, I'm not saying, Id put cash on it..  I'm just trying to help shed some light, on the situation.. 

IF Hyde was gimpy, and SF had a 1st rnd, pick in the wings?   Stranger things have happened!  I don't see anything of that nature..  IF ya really wanna post something like that, for open discussion?  Wait until Wk 3 pre-Season..(That's really your only best option)

 
Tanner9919 said:
Carlos Hyde has played in just 34 of 48 games in his brief 3-yr NFL career, griding out a ho-hum career average of  just 4.3 yards per carry and a dismal 16.6 recs/yr, playing in an offense ( Shanahan's ) that is predicated on ZBS and RB's having hands made of glue catching everything in sight. Hyde is a TERRIBLE fit for this offense..

last year, in his best season as an NFL player  - under Chip Kelly's supposedly good offense,  Hyde played in just 13 games and scored just 6 TDs,and missed rushing for 1000 yards - he STILL hasn't rushed for over 1000 yards in his career..he's allergic to TDs, proven true the fact the he has scored just 13 TDs in 3 years, a lousy 4.3 TD/yr avg. 

we have people argung over who is right, who said what, bla bla bla..

Hyde sucks I just don't see any other way to put it..you want to argue over a 6th-7th round draft pick? you can't find a better WR or TE in the 6th or 7th? Hyde is as poor a play as there ever is or ever was in Fantasy Football, Trent Richardson excluded of course..

I mean really folks, why are we having a discussion about a bordeline backup RB who was a starter simply because they had nothing else to throw out there..??

there's nothing to see with Hyde,let someone else be silly enough to draft him
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He scored 9 TDs last year, but yeah let's use his rookie season where he was a backup to Frank Gore and the season where he only played 7 games to find his "TDs per year".

Touchdown alergic?  What is this nonsense?  He's scored 12 TDs in 20 starts.  Almost exactly the same TD rate when he starts as Marshawn Lynch.

 
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