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RB Carlos Hyde, JAC (1 Viewer)
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kutta
Footballguy
Here's the full quote from the article cited by Roto as the reference:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/49ers-mailbag-brown-gets-rocky-start
Is Carlos Hyde being challenged or does he look like the clear starter? (Josh Gale)
It was a good first week of practices for Hyde. He looks – right now – to be in good position as the team’s starting running back. Veteran Tim Hightower is also looking very good. He appears to be the team’s second-best running back.
Hyde looks to be adapting better and better to the 49ers’ run scheme. And he has also placed a lot of emphasis on catching the ball out of the backfield.
Rookie Joe Williams, a fourth-round draft pick who was seen as a serious challenger to Hyde, has gotten off to a slow start and he is still gaining familarity with the system. He also must do a better job of securing the football.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/49ers-mailbag-brown-gets-rocky-start
Is Carlos Hyde being challenged or does he look like the clear starter? (Josh Gale)
It was a good first week of practices for Hyde. He looks – right now – to be in good position as the team’s starting running back. Veteran Tim Hightower is also looking very good. He appears to be the team’s second-best running back.
Hyde looks to be adapting better and better to the 49ers’ run scheme. And he has also placed a lot of emphasis on catching the ball out of the backfield.
Rookie Joe Williams, a fourth-round draft pick who was seen as a serious challenger to Hyde, has gotten off to a slow start and he is still gaining familarity with the system. He also must do a better job of securing the football.
hoffman0001
Footballguy
LOL at all you Joe Williams Hype machines. Hyde is going to put up a great year because he wants to get PAID next year. He has WR's that can help keep 8 our of the box unlike last year, and he has a better QB as well, and the line has improved.
Put me down for 1150 yards and 9-10 TD's and he will be one of the fantasy values of 2017.
hoffman0001
Footballguy
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Pierre Garcon and Marquise Goodwin striking fear into the hearts of Legion of Boom, Patrick Peterson and the Honey Badger?
hoffman0001
Footballguy
They are a hell of allot better than what the 49ers had last year, and Hyde produced 1,151 yards and 9 TD's in 13 games, with no one at WR. So yes, the WR's are much better than what they had last year.
hoffman0001
Footballguy
I loved that story, it let me STEAL Hyde in several leagues.
In one league I game up G. Bernard, D. Parker (he was laterally my #6 receiver, and never saw the field), and a late 3rd round pick for Hyde. Now he is trending into the top 15 for dynasty rb's (if you look at FBG's rankings of the last 10 days).
That story was the bottom of Hyde's value
100% confident Hyde will be a top-15 RB as long as he is healthy. Be happy to wait a bit and snag him as a RB2, while people go all chicken little. He's the most talented guy, the most proven guy, and there has been no reason to assume anyone is a true threat to him. I'd be shocked(as long as he is healthy, which is built into his ADP) if he saw less than 2/3 of the workload.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yes, but it was supposedly based on Greg Rosenthal's sources in the 49ers. It wasn't sold as just a guess or hot take.
hoffman0001
Footballguy
Good post, and info! I bought him cheap on the "he will be cut in camp"/Williams Hype dip in many leagues and it's looking like a steal.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Seems like Hyde heard the offseason headlines and decided to just take matters into his own hands. If he stays healthy he could have a great year. Wish him the best, but that's my biggest concern.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Hyde's health is always a concern but I am also concerned that the 49ers will have to abandon the run at halftime to go in full catch up mode. The 49ers passing game is going to struggle.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
That doesn't preclude Hyde from getting work. He's a solid receiver out of the backfield.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
That is true. Could be lots of dump off passes headed his way. I have always liked Hyde's skill. I am still concerned about his health but am not going to avoid drafting him this season if he falls to me.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Maybe? But Brian Hoyer is a pretty under-rated QB and they have decent weapons in Garcon, Goodwin (who has elite speed) and Kerley.
hoffman0001
Footballguy
So they add a better more stable QB, lose the Keap drama, and add several quality receivers and they won't be better this year?
Even if that was true, Hyde produced 1100+ yards and 9 TD's in 13 games. The only reason he is being drafted/value where he is, is because of the perception of being on a bad team, and the bogus "camp Casualty"/Williams Hype noise. Grab him while you can.
Hyde will be on allot of championship teams this year, you watch...
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
So they add a better more stable QB, lose the Keap drama, and add several quality receivers and they won't be better this year?
Even if that was true, Hyde produced 1100+ yards and 9 TD's in 13 games. The only reason he is being drafted/value where he is, is because of the perception of being on a bad team, and the bogus "camp Casualty"/Williams Hype noise. Grab him while you can.
Hyde will be on allot of championship teams this year, you watch...
That wasn't my statement. And I am consistently supportive of Hyde.
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hoffman0001
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
matttyl
Footballguy
Did they scare anyone last year? In my league he was RB#11 in PPG (between Ajayi and Ingram).
hoffman0001
Footballguy
And that was in 13 games, with a poor QB situation and with worse receivers. If he can stay healthy (a big if) and if the offense improves (a more likely if) than he will be a top 10 RB for a 4th or 5th round pick......CHAMPIONSHIPS are made this way
hoffman0001
Footballguy
Sorry I was multi-tasking. Won't happen again.no worries. Just wanted to clarify
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
There's Kyle Shanahan factor and his track record on offensive play-calling with many different RB is excellent. He'll design offensive schemes to maximize his current team's talents.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Well he goes from one good fantasy OC to another, so in some ways it's a lateral move.
But yes, I agree Chip Kelly had this weird propensity to try and pad RB stats when they were down big in games, which was weird. I remember in the Seattle game in the 4th quarter he had 10 carries for 69 yards and 2 TDs (plus a 2 point conversion) in a game they were trailing 38-3.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Geez you guys think a lot.
You've got a productive RB who has a RB friendly coach. That's a good situation. As long as he's healthy he ought to produce. If he's not his handcuff comes cheap. I swear some of you guys could win $1M in the lottery and do nothing but grouse that it wasn't $2M.
You've got a productive RB who has a RB friendly coach. That's a good situation. As long as he's healthy he ought to produce. If he's not his handcuff comes cheap. I swear some of you guys could win $1M in the lottery and do nothing but grouse that it wasn't $2M.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Most coaches would abandon the run more than Chip Kelly did with Hyde last season no doubt.
It may speak to Hyde just being a better offensive weapon, so in Chips view the highest success rate. I'm sure he called the plays fast as well, so not really milking the clock in the process which the other team will do in that situation.
I kind of agree about it being a lateral move in that there are good things about the new coaches offense that were not present on the team last year with Kelly.
Its more that the offense could be improved overall this season, and Hyde benefiting from that, rather than being game script immune like last year though.
Who is a better receiving RB on the 49ers than Hyde though?
It may speak to Hyde just being a better offensive weapon, so in Chips view the highest success rate. I'm sure he called the plays fast as well, so not really milking the clock in the process which the other team will do in that situation.
I kind of agree about it being a lateral move in that there are good things about the new coaches offense that were not present on the team last year with Kelly.
Its more that the offense could be improved overall this season, and Hyde benefiting from that, rather than being game script immune like last year though.
Who is a better receiving RB on the 49ers than Hyde though?
cloppbeast
Footballguy
We've seen good running backs struggle in the transition to outside zone. If Hyde can't weave through traffic and find the cut back lanes, it doesn't matter if he 'pancakes defenders'. Watching preseason games will be very interesting to see how he performs in Shanahan's offense.
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BoltBacker
Footballguy
Not sure I agree with this bit. By my count his backup takes somewhere between 2-4 roster spots. Who do you think his handcuff is?
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I don't think Hightower is a lock in the event Hyde were to go down. At this very moment he's the clear number 2, and even the number 1 at times in practice but I think that has a lot to do with experience. If Hyde were to hypothetically go down mid season, Williams and Brieda will have had more time in the system and I think some type of RBBC is most likely to emerge. Given the fact that Hightower isn't special, that this offense will likely be average at best this season and that SF's run schedule is tough and I'm not too keen on wasting roster spots on Hyde's back-up.
To be honest, I don't like anything about Hyde this year outside of his obvious talent anyway. His team stinks, the new coaching staff was luke-warm (at best) on him all offseason, his run schedule sucks and he can't stay on the field.
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hoffman0001
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
hoffman0001
Footballguy
Toxic? I was saying thanks for disagreeing. How is that toxic? I'm always happy when others go in another direction with a player I like. 90% of the time barring an injury I come out ahead.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
..right. I just started browsing this forum again as I gear up for the season and I noticed that there's this really strange animus in the tone of a majority of your posts. You definitely need to relax.
Out of respect for this thread I won't derail it any further.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Ditto. I have some depth at RB in my dyno, and am really tempted to trade for him. The injury history is the only thing that bothers me. I think he is plenty talented. But as a dude who's already dealt with perpetually injured guys like Alshon and Sammy, you eventually just reach a point you don't want to deal with guys you have to worry about their health each week, no matter the talent. As others have said, while the going with someone as talented as Hyde the going can be productive, it's never a "fun" productive. Not a fun guy to own.
hoffman0001
Footballguy
What do you mean by this exactly? 1,100 + yards and 10 TD's in 13 games seems fun to me.... Please explain.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Each Sunday you wake up you need to ask yourself "is this the week he goes down?" Exhaustively check the news wire throughout the week to make sure he makes it through each practice. The day after each game. It's just worrisome stuff that mentally exhausts you over the course of a season.
hoffman0001
Footballguy
Ok, I get that, but would you rather have top 10 Production at a discount that makes you work a little or maybe a safer choice in the lower production range. For example, Hyde with his production, or a safer more boring pick like a Frank Gore? I don't expect allot of championship teams to have F. Gore as a weekly starter, but Hyde if he performs at a high level will be on them.
