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Moreno...he is the only guy in this group that is going to be a 3 down back, the rest are in RBBC. He is way underrated right now as many have overreacted to his rookie season. Stewart would be the guy for me, but RBBC is in the way.
I saw this about PT Bruiser as well. Crazy stuff for sure, but as usual it's the quantity of touches that's the big negative.
Bell is not the one to worry about, Charles Scott is. At least long term he is. I wasn't very impressed with McCoy last year and Scott has the ability to threaten his job eventually if he doesn't show more power and run with more authority.
the OP is talking about re-draft for this year. in PPR leagues I dont hink McCoy has anything to worry about this season. He should be the main producing back
I'm more concerned with Bell Vulturing TDs from a guy who isn't know as a powerful inside runner.
Why in Gods green earth is someone posting acf redraft questions in the dynasty thread. This thread is awsome but it needs to stay focused on dynasty and its concepts on value and strategy. Thats all I have to say about that.DYNASTY wise, I would rank them Jonathan Stewart, Jamaal Charles, Beanie Wells, LeSean McCoy, Pierre Thomas and then Knowshon Moreno. Working backwards, Moreno just seemed too tenitive last year, like he could never get up to speed, and when he did, he lacked vision. Now this could be because he was thinking too much, but It could take him several years to get it. He reminded me of Steven Davis when he first entered the league. A dancer and toe dipper.Thomas is not elite. Reggie Bush could be.Last year we kinda saw Reggie come out of that shell. If he stops toe dipping and dancing and instead finnishing runs, well thats very bad news for Thomas, untill Bush gets hurt. But no mistakes If Reggie ever gets it, Thomas loses a lot of value.McCoy needs to just keep on keeping on. Continuing to mature as a runner and taking the next step this year could make him a great bargin for the risk takers.Wells and Charles have a chance to become uber studs. make or break years.Stewart is an uberstud just needs 225 carries a season.
I must have missed that this was a dynasty thread, carry on
Man I thought this was redraft too. I wanted to know how people ranked these guys for this year.
You can still take some of the things that are said here and apply them. It's not TOTALLY useless to you.
You may want to check again - this Forum is the Shark Pool......not a designated Dynasty ForumIt is a legitimate question/discussion for this Forum
I totally disagree. When you look at PT's production he won't be an afterthought. Even if you want to chalk some of his production up to his situation he averaged 1.6 and 1.8 more y/c than Bell and Hamilton last season and 0.9 more y/c than McCallister did in 2008. He has also averaged 1.1 more yards per reception than Bush has over his career.
I'm not picking on you, but if at this point Bush has not figured it out, it's just about time to close the book. I'm sure that after years of film study w/ the Saints, he's been told several times what they expect of him. You might call him dynamic, but some might see an player limited to certain down and distance formations.I do not own Pierre Thomas or any Saints players BTW.
Perhaps, but I based my comments on the fact that NO is reluctant to pay PT as a valued piece to their puzzle. They had their chance to get rid of Bush but they chose to keep him around at his lofty salary even though he's not an every down player so far in his career. Do you agree that they did this because of his play making abilities? Not only is he (Bush) a home run threat out of the backfield, but he's an electric KR/PR. I wonder what the answer would be from defensive coordinators if one were to ask them who keeps them up more at night...Pierre Thomas or Reggie Bush.Tackling Dummies said:
Tennessee is reluctant too, to pay Chris Johnson as a valued piece to their puzzle. Bad analysis imo.I like Reggie Bush more than most, but I've watched nearly every Saints game for the past 5 or 6 years and Pierre Thomas is clearly the better running back.Perhaps, but I based my comments on the fact that NO is reluctant to pay PT as a valued piece to their puzzle. They had their chance to get rid of Bush but they chose to keep him around at his lofty salary even though he's not an every down player so far in his career. Do you agree that they did this because of his play making abilities? Not only is he (Bush) a home run threat out of the backfield, but he's an electric KR/PR. I wonder what the answer would be from defensive coordinators if one were to ask them who keeps them up more at night...Pierre Thomas or Reggie Bush.Tackling Dummies said:
Captain Hook said:
could have sworn I was in the dynasty thread.
, right now. Thats how that sentence finishes. PT is the better runningback right now. Look it takes some runningbacks several years to get it up to speed and just finish runs or to learn to run on the safety, or to quit dancing at the line. Yes, at this stage of his career it is more likely that Bush will never realize his potential but you are just whistling past the graveyard if you don't believe there is a chance that Bush makes Thomas irrevelant. That chance coupled with the fact that Thomas is not a gifted player means that he has to be downgraded in dynasty. In redraft his value is considerably more.Tennessee is reluctant too, to pay Chris Johnson as a valued piece to their puzzle. Bad analysis imo.I like Reggie Bush more than most, but I've watched nearly every Saints game for the past 5 or 6 years and Pierre Thomas is clearly the better running back.Perhaps, but I based my comments on the fact that NO is reluctant to pay PT as a valued piece to their puzzle. They had their chance to get rid of Bush but they chose to keep him around at his lofty salary even though he's not an every down player so far in his career. Do you agree that they did this because of his play making abilities? Not only is he (Bush) a home run threat out of the backfield, but he's an electric KR/PR. I wonder what the answer would be from defensive coordinators if one were to ask them who keeps them up more at night...Pierre Thomas or Reggie Bush.Tackling Dummies said:
This is where I disagree. Pierre Thomas is a gifted RB., right now. Thats how that sentence finishes. PT is the better runningback right now. Look it takes some runningbacks several years to get it up to speed and just finish runs or to learn to run on the safety, or to quit dancing at the line. Yes, at this stage of his career it is more likely that Bush will never realize his potential but you are just whistling past the graveyard if you don't believe there is a chance that Bush makes Thomas irrevelant. That chance coupled with the fact that Thomas is not a gifted player means that he has to be downgraded in dynasty. In redraft his value is considerably more.Tennessee is reluctant too, to pay Chris Johnson as a valued piece to their puzzle. Bad analysis imo.I like Reggie Bush more than most, but I've watched nearly every Saints game for the past 5 or 6 years and Pierre Thomas is clearly the better running back.Perhaps, but I based my comments on the fact that NO is reluctant to pay PT as a valued piece to their puzzle. They had their chance to get rid of Bush but they chose to keep him around at his lofty salary even though he's not an every down player so far in his career. Do you agree that they did this because of his play making abilities? Not only is he (Bush) a home run threat out of the backfield, but he's an electric KR/PR. I wonder what the answer would be from defensive coordinators if one were to ask them who keeps them up more at night...Pierre Thomas or Reggie Bush.Tackling Dummies said:
Could not agree, more. Lots of nay sayers in his profile page as well... http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...oreno&st=50
Tennessee also doesn't have a talented RB on their roster to replace CJ. If PT holds out or refuses to play in NO, I don't think they lose any sleep since they still have Bush and a stable of other servicable RB's. I'm not saying PT isn't good, just saying in dynasty, I'd rank him lower than most of those other guys and he's not as vital a piece to his team's success.Tennessee is reluctant too, to pay Chris Johnson as a valued piece to their puzzle. Bad analysis imo.I like Reggie Bush more than most, but I've watched nearly every Saints game for the past 5 or 6 years and Pierre Thomas is clearly the better running back.Perhaps, but I based my comments on the fact that NO is reluctant to pay PT as a valued piece to their puzzle. They had their chance to get rid of Bush but they chose to keep him around at his lofty salary even though he's not an every down player so far in his career. Do you agree that they did this because of his play making abilities? Not only is he (Bush) a home run threat out of the backfield, but he's an electric KR/PR. I wonder what the answer would be from defensive coordinators if one were to ask them who keeps them up more at night...Pierre Thomas or Reggie Bush.Tackling Dummies said:
By bad analysis, I was specifically pointing to your reliance on salary/contract as a means for evaluating a player's dynasty value. Maybe it's not bad, but rather it's not part of my thought process; especially now with all the uncertainty surrounding TBD labor agreement. All teams have taken a hard line on new contracts (I wonder if any lawyers out there are reviewing the fine print of the collusion case against MLB several years ago).As much as I like Reggie Bush the football player, he just has not demonstrated near the vision and coordination running the ball as Thomas. He runs fast and hard, and this has lead to several big plays, but he rarely has moves in tight spaces. Pierre Thomas on the other hand, with less speed, has the ability to make defenders look silly.Tennessee also doesn't have a talented RB on their roster to replace CJ. If PT holds out or refuses to play in NO, I don't think they lose any sleep since they still have Bush and a stable of other servicable RB's. I'm not saying PT isn't good, just saying in dynasty, I'd rank him lower than most of those other guys and he's not as vital a piece to his team's success.Tennessee is reluctant too, to pay Chris Johnson as a valued piece to their puzzle. Bad analysis imo.I like Reggie Bush more than most, but I've watched nearly every Saints game for the past 5 or 6 years and Pierre Thomas is clearly the better running back.Perhaps, but I based my comments on the fact that NO is reluctant to pay PT as a valued piece to their puzzle. They had their chance to get rid of Bush but they chose to keep him around at his lofty salary even though he's not an every down player so far in his career. Do you agree that they did this because of his play making abilities? Not only is he (Bush) a home run threat out of the backfield, but he's an electric KR/PR. I wonder what the answer would be from defensive coordinators if one were to ask them who keeps them up more at night...Pierre Thomas or Reggie Bush.Tackling Dummies said:
I don't see the bad analysis. Thought I was stating the obvious.
